From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #219 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Thursday, 1 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 219 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: geoff@apanix.apana.org.au (Geoffrey Peters) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:07:32 +0930 Subject: Re: Lurking in the dark Peter muttered: >I think that I'll wait for Ensoniq to come out with the *mother* of all >samplers. 64 voice, 16 channel, up to 128Mb of standard ram. ;-) You may see it sooner than you think - I know that Kurzweil's new K-2500 has sent the Ensoniq engineers scurrying back to their drafting tables ;-). The K2000 was an interesting machine - more synth than sampler - but the K2500 "Digital Production Station" is going to be one monster machine (48-voice, mega-sequencer, full digital I/O inc. ADAT/TA-88 support, 128 Mb RAM, 64 Mb ROM, onboard effects equal to four DP/4's, etc). Pity they're so expensive, though ... Geoffrey ------------------------------ From: "Burtin, Boris" Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 10:00:00 PST Subject: RE: i want my eps 3.0! Yeah, I'm very disappointed as well. I can't imagine that the ASR and EPS are so different that they can't port OS features from one to the other. I am entirely happy with the hardware features/limitations of my EPS-16, which is why I never "upgraded" to an ASR. But I will certainly lose faith in the company if they stop development on the software. And while we're on the subject of tall future support tales, how about this one: the sales rep told me that Ensoniq will be offering an option to upgrade the low-density floppy drive to a high-density one. Heh... Boris boris.burtin@sandiegoca.ncr.com ---------- From: owner-eps To: eps Subject: i want my eps 3.0! Date: Wednesday, November 30, 1994 11:54AM hi, this new os release being limited to the asr really pisses me off. i was sold on the eps16+ because the 'soft os' made it upgradable. so there were a handful of releases and development stopped. has the eps16+ been discontinued as a product? can somebody sue their ass for making sales based on false promises? when asr sales slow down because of the xyz24+ release, will the asr os freeze? i could understand if the eps16 & asr were very different products, but they are part of the same product line. can somebody justify the ensoniq decision so i don't feel like i've been had? wtf?, bill edmondson. ------------------------------ From: ChickenEPS@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 02:27:44 -0500 Subject: 3.0 and etc From Jeff: >For now, please be patient with the list, and if you do have exploder lists set >up, please be sure that you're not pointing them back to the main list. Does this mean there's such thing as exploder e-mail? And I thought flames were bad... > this new os release being limited to the asr really pisses me off. i > was sold on the eps16+ because the 'soft os' made it upgradable. so > there were a handful of releases and development stopped. has the > eps16+ been discontinued as a product? can somebody sue their ass for > making sales based on false promises? when asr sales slow down because > of the xyz24+ release, will the asr os freeze? i could understand if > the eps16 & asr were very different products, but they are part of the > same product line. can somebody justify the ensoniq decision so i don't >feel like i've been had? > >wtf?, >bill edmondson. My answer is that's the way of the world. But to respond to your particular problem, we are considering a "librarian" service at Rubber Chicken, that is, you buy your favorite Roland or Akai CD-ROM, send it to us, we translate it fo r you and put the files on a Syquest or Bernoulli cart for you. Everybody, do you think this would be a good service to you? How about you TS owners - no word if they'll put the translation into the TS. Please e-mail me privately for responses. >As far as I know, the eps16+ is discontinued. Officially Ensoniq has closed the OS. >Maybe somebody can tell me what I'm doing wrong..... >With Stereo samples on the ASR, I am forever getting the >"Samples not the same size" message after I have done some editing. >I have the stereo layer link on, and I believe that I'm always using >the data slider to edit (if I read it right this should keep the samples >at the same size) Has anybody run into this??? This happens when you have Stereo Link Layer On, and the linked waves are not stereo pairs; i.e., they weren't sampled at the same time in stereo. Remember, for example, Layer 1, Wave 1 and layer 2R, Wave 2 will be pairs, if you don't move 'em around. Odd waves on odd layers, and even waves on even layers. The link will only work on adjacent odds and evens. But if you move waves around, you might get setupo improperly, thus getting that message. >In addition to this, it seems like the versions numbers of the >keyboard version of the 16+ and the rack version do not match. As far >as I can tell, the OSs have moved up higher in v-number for the >keyboard version than for the rack version. Can anyone tell what the >latest rack-OS is? Don't get confused. The OS's for both the key-version and rack-version are the same. The KEYBOARD VERSION under the secret SOFTWARE INFORMATION page is a different matter altogether. On that subject, OS 1.3 incorporated the Backup-Restore (that should have made it to the Original EPS - grrr...), and came with the Parallel Effects algorithm. It did not implement Seq-Play-While-Load. They gave up trying, but bootleg 1.17 has it, albeit without the Macro section. By the way, 1.10 will translate Original EPS-composed sequences fine, while 1.3 has a bug that trash es some translations without you knowing it. So keep all three OS's - 1.10 to translate EPS sequences, 1.17 to Play-While-Load, and 1.3 for regular use. >rhm... That sounds awfully much like the E IV (Emulator 4...) >...which I think is available... At a price... But wasn't there more >voices? Like 128 or something like that? 128 voices in mono, 64 voices in stereo. I sure hope Ensoniq keeps the ASR name (or even goes back to EPS), when they put out their next sampler (68020-based, with at least 64 voices - oops, am I speculating?). I really hate all these acronyms, it's a world infection. Garth/RCS ------------------------------ From: Timo Kuittinen Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:13:56 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: 8 instrument limit Hello! ====== Since there has been some interest in selecting the patches through MIDI, I thought I'd put this on the list instead of replying to those people that asked info about it. - -------- history log -------- history log -------- history log -------- On Thu, 24 Nov 1994 Michael Cowden wrote: > You said the patch select buttons can be triggered via MIDI, > do you know what controller number they are and what the values > of the 4 combinations are? > > If so I'd appreciate it. I'd like to be able to trigger these > buttons from cakewalk. and then, on Mon, 28 Nov 1994 Stan Hoffman wrote: > What are the MIDI commands for doing this? (This meaning triggering patch selections through MIDI commands) - ---------- end of history log ---------- end of history log ---------- Ok, this is no hidden info, but straight from the Musicians Manual of the EPS-16. The controller number for the patch select button(s) is: 70 and the values representing the four buttons are: 0 - 31 Both buttons up 32 - 63 Right button down 64 - 95 Left button down 96 - 127 Both buttons down Mind you, although there are a range of values on all of the buttons, all of them have the same functionality, i.e. turning the corresponding patch on. The reason for having so many values is (I guess) because the patch select has been defined as a continuous controller (all of which have a range of values). Hope this helped, Timo ==== ------------------------------ From: hardy@KMERL.Research.Panasonic.COM (Wesley hardy) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:59:08 EST Subject: Re: TS-12 question > > I'm currently in the market for a TS-12. I am considering buying through > a mail-order outlet, although I've never liked mail order. Can anyone > here tell me what questions I should ask to make sure I'm getting the > latest version of the TS-12? Furthermore, can anyone give me a good reason > not to order by mail? > > Thanks in advance, > Mike Tamayo > miket@snow.seer.com > > > Ask if the TS-12 supports General MIDI; the early ones did not support GM or automatic loading of sampled instruments. I did not buy from mail order because: 1) while under warranty, only an authorized Ensoniq Dealer/Repair-Station can open the chassis of the keyboard, otherwise, the warranty is voided. If you think you will want SCSI, 97,000 notes of sequencer memory, or 8MB of sample RAM within the first year, use a local dealer (if reputable). 2) My local dealer gave me free access to his "underground" library of EPS/ASR sample disks. I've got a load of stuff I have not even heard. He cut me a fair price, I just got burned by state sales tax. 3) My dealer new exactly what case to order for my TS-12 (fits like a glove). (Not really important) 4) If something goes wrong with the instrument, my dealer is only 7 minutes down the street. If he keeps the board to service it, he will loan me SOMETHING (hopefully a TS) while I am waiting. That's better than packing up $2200 of sweat, tears and hard work and handing it over to the parcel man for shipping. You're gonna love the stuff you didn't know the TS could do! my $.02, Wesley Hardy, TS-12 ------------------------------ From: ChickenEPS@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 07:26:34 -0500 Subject: Re: EPS Flickers >I have an occasional problem with my 16+... >Basically at random times (haven't found a common cause yet) the display >(and the values it is displaying) flickers around numbers etc. This happens >to all sorts of things and once it starts it affects any pages I'm on. >Tracks turn on and off, params flicker up and down. I usually turn it off >and give it a rest...could it be overheating? Dodgy power supply? Corrupted >memory? >Regarding the flickering in the screen of the EPS, I've had this same >problem every once in a while on my 16+. It usually affects just >numbers. they will scroll up and down wildly sometimes. I have no idea why. >If it really gets out of hand I'll reboot and it almost always clears it up. The oldest known bug within EPS/ASR's (dating back to the very beginning) is the maniac scroll of parameter values while the cursor is under them. Ensoniq hasn't ever given an explaination for it (personally, I don't know why it's so hard for them to admit defects in their machines), but it seems to be a function of the slider/reader. Solution: Just be careful what your cursor is under, and don't leave it in a comprimising position for too long. When the maniac scroll happens, move the slider up and down as to "clean" the slider - this makes the scroll stop. My Original EPS does this, my 16-Plus does this, and both my ASR's do this. I even do it sometimes (my wife wonders why I'm jumping up and down wildly). Garth/RCS ------------------------------ From: hardy@KMERL.Research.Panasonic.COM (Wesley hardy) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 07:24:28 EST Subject: Re: ASR Track/Insts > > But I also feel that it is too bad that the ASR doesn't have the > sequencer/track layout of the TS series. It shouldn't be so much > "trouble" to get lots of instruments (at least ONE for EACH of the > 16 MIDI channels) on a machine this advanced. And with 16 MB RAM, > I can imagine that even using all these techniques you could easily > run out of room to put your potential sounds. I guess Ensoniq > wanted the ASR to be downward compatible with the EPSs. I think > it's the ASR's weakest link. If Ensoniq would create a rackmount ASR-type sampler with: 1) no sequencer 2) 2MB sample RAM expandable to 8MB (or more) 3) 1.44MB HD floppy drive 4) optional SP-X SCSI upgrade 5) full stereo sample editing 6) FX processor with software loadable algorithms 7) $700 street price this would be a perfect companion for a TS. For sampling vocals, drum loops, acoustic sounds we need a low cost option. Used EPS16+ samplers for about $1000 are also a possible option, but a $1900 ASR-10 is an expensive addition to a TS. Oh yeah, and a PC sound card might fit the bill, if you have a PC. What do you TS guys think? Wesley ------------------------------ From: midilink@interaccess.com (Dave Nosek) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 07:37:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Why the double messages? >This morning when I came in my mailbox was abnormally full. As I started >reading messages I noticed that all the email that I got from this list >I received twice. The other lists I subscribed to only sent me one >copy of each message. Did anyone else notice this? Is there something >messed up at oak? This has happened to me before but only on one or >two messages at a time so I did not think much of it. Last night it was >every message I got from this list. (Or at least it seemed like every >one.) Yup, it happened to me yesterday and also this morning. DUPES! Sound Management - MIDILink Net 708.949.6434 8-N-1 midilink@interaccess.com ------------------------------ From: Khew Sin Sun Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:37:13 +0800 (SST) Subject: Re: ASR v3.0 On Wed, 30 Nov 1994 g.leone@genie.geis.com wrote: > I guess it's official -- I saw it in an Ensoniq advertisement in the > January issue of "Keyboard" magazine. Ensoniq is introducing v3.0 of > their ASR OS. According to the ad (and I quote), > > "Now, with Version 3, you can play sounds from any > Akai or Roland format CD-ROM. Just import the sound > and play. _And the Version 3 O.S. is free!_" > > Cool, I say. Great company. I wonder/hope that the conversion from the Akai and Roland formats won't be too slow as in the S-760 which CAN convert Akai formats but,boy,is it s-l-o-o-o-w...... :-) > Ironically, this is the _same_ issue of "Keyboard" in which O.S. > v2.51 is mentioned in the "Updates and Options" column. > Guess that's what they call the speed of technology???!! Khew ------------------------------ From: Jean Francois Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:07:41 -0500 Subject: No More Sequencers, Please! Hello boys and girls (wait a minute - I've yet to see a post from a girl on this list), I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped building those samplers with a built-in sequencer. If they insist on doing so, then they must have a sequencerless version. As of now, I have three instruments with built-in sequencers, and two of which are from Ensoniq. How many more sequencers does one need? Besides, chances are most sampler shoppers already own a sequencer. Had Emu come out with its new $1500 sampler when I was shopping, I guarantee you I'd buy it over the ASR-10. That would have saved me $1000. The ASR-10 had the most bang for my buck; but I also ended up paying for something that I'll never use - as long as my mac keeps on going. Anyone else agree with me? Later, JB.. ------------------------------ From: eric@nit.AirTouch.COM (Eric Pederson) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:42:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: 3.0 and etc ChickenEPS@aol.com writes... > > >rhm... That sounds awfully much like the E IV (Emulator 4...) > >...which I think is available... At a price... But wasn't there more > >voices? Like 128 or something like that? > > 128 voices in mono, 64 voices in stereo. I sure hope Ensoniq keeps the ASR > name (or even goes back to EPS), when they put out their next sampler > (68020-based, with at least 64 voices - oops, am I speculating?). I really > hate all these acronyms, it's a world infection. the low end model is the esi-32, with 32 voices, 32 pole resonant filters, play direct from disk, upto 128mb ram. etc. list around $2000, not bad.. i'm sure that's not going to be good for asr sales. how long do you think they are going to keep the asr line & asr-os alive, after this next generation comes out? - -- Eric Pederson AirTouch Communications eric@nit.airtouch.com 510-210-8890 ------------------------------ From: Blue Audio Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:02:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: DAT I have a question regarding DAT and my ASR-10. Do I need to worry at all about SCMS? I want to be sure that if I do a DAT backup of my hard drive digitally and restore from the DAT, I can still backup again, ie, the DAT won't see the SCMS code that it put onto the first backup. Also, if I want to digitally duplicate my DAT tapes, can I just record direct-to-disk and back to DAT ad infinitum? Thanx for any help, if this works, I'll just get the cheapest DAT player I can. John ------------------------------ From: Michael Cowden Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 10:34:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Doubled Messages I have recieved three or four copies of the same messages from oak yesterday! Thanks mike P.S. I'm an ASR-10 user. ------------------------------ From: Roger Leenders Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 18:41:57 +0000 (WET) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! > From: Jean Francois > Date sent: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:07:41 -0500 > To: eps@oak.oakland.edu > Subject: No More Sequencers, Please! > Hello boys and girls (wait a minute - I've yet to see a post from a girl on > this list), > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped building those samplers > with a built-in sequencer. If they insist on doing so, then they must have > a sequencerless version. As of now, I have three instruments with built-in > sequencers, and two of which are from Ensoniq. How many more sequencers > does one need? Besides, chances are most sampler shoppers already own a > sequencer. Had Emu come out with its new $1500 sampler when I was > shopping, I guarantee you I'd buy it over the ASR-10. That would have > saved me $1000. The ASR-10 had the most bang for my buck; but I also ended > up paying for something that I'll never use - as long as my mac keeps on > going. Anyone else agree with me? > > Later, > JB.. > I completely agree. I also own 3 machines with built-in sequencer. In practice I do everything using a computer. However, for live performances, I make a dump of the sequences into my EPS. This is simply because a hardware sequencer is more thrustworthy on stage (computers are more sensitive to changes in current). Thus, I end up using my eps sequencer as well. The other sequencers (including the sq2) are not used. I guess I could have saved money by just buying the sequencer separately and the other machines without it. Roger ''' (o o) -----oOO--(_)--OOo----- ----------- -------------- * Roger Th.A.J. Leenders * * University of Groningen, ICS * * Grote Rozenstraat 31 * * 9712 TG Groningen, The Netherlands * * phone : +31 50 636208 (ICS) * * +31 50 713268 (home) * * fax : +31 50 636226 * * el. mail: R.T.A.J.LEENDERS@PPSW.RUG.NL * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: hecdog@uclink.berkeley.edu (Hector Hugo Perez) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:30:39 -0800 Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! >...The ASR-10 had the most bang for my buck; but I also ended >up paying for something that I'll never use - as long as my mac keeps on >going. Anyone else agree with me? I don't know. I have a few sequencers of my own, but like being able to load up my ASR and not my mac, et al. It's convenien to "audition" a sequence on my ASR, I don't have to worry about midi channels, serial ports, program changes, incompatabilities, etc. If I have an Idea I want to try out, before commiting it to the bit shuffle across MIDI and my mac, I can quickly hit record on the ASR and have a prototype to listen to. I can continue to get fancy on the ASR sequencer, up to the eight tracks, and then I download the sequence to my mac for further editing. Running the sequence from my ASR saves me a hell of a lot of time and energy during the most frantic period of music production: composition. My $.02 Hector ------------------------------ From: Elson "?" Trinidad Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:54:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! > > Hello boys and girls (wait a minute - I've yet to see a post from a girl on > this list), > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped building those samplers > with a built-in sequencer. If they insist on doing so, then they must have > a sequencerless version. As of now, I have three instruments with built-in > sequencers, and two of which are from Ensoniq. How many more sequencers > does one need? Besides, chances are most sampler shoppers already own a > sequencer. Had Emu come out with its new $1500 sampler when I was > shopping, I guarantee you I'd buy it over the ASR-10. That would have > saved me $1000. The ASR-10 had the most bang for my buck; but I also ended > up paying for something that I'll never use - as long as my mac keeps on > going. Anyone else agree with me? > > Later, > JB.. Personally, and I know im in the extremely tiny minority here, but I do use my EPS sequencer extensively. Long story. Yes, I have a computer, no, I have no MIDI interface...but for live stuff, an onboard sequencer can't be beat. Also, when I'm working on dance/hip-hop tunes, the sequencer and the use of drum loops go hand-in-hand. I do understand where you're coming from. Why not make samplers like automobiles? Have the sequencer as an option, just like memory. And throw in anti-lock brakes as well. :) Elson ------------------------------ From: Legion Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:58:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Jean Francois wrote: > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped building those samplers > with a built-in sequencer. If they insist on doing so, then they must have > a sequencerless version. As of now, I have three instruments with built-in > sequencers, and two of which are from Ensoniq. How many more sequencers > does one need? Besides, chances are most sampler shoppers already own a > sequencer. Had Emu come out with its new $1500 sampler when I was > shopping, I guarantee you I'd buy it over the ASR-10. That would have > saved me $1000. The ASR-10 had the most bang for my buck; but I also ended > up paying for something that I'll never use - as long as my mac keeps on > going. Anyone else agree with me? Since you asked, I don't agree with you. having an onboard sequencer doen't hurt me in the least. If I don't want it I don't use it. Having it there is *very* helpful to me. I don't use a computer for sequencing and when I have I' find I still rely on the board sequencer to jot down ideas and such without having to boot up a couple different pieces of hardware. This is true of my synths as well. Also I would NEVER bring an external sequncer along for live shows. the complications it would raise far outweigh the benefits I'd get. So it's nice to have something built in for simple looped lines and such. I don't know how much money would be saved if they took it out so I can't comment on that but I am very glad the EPS and the ASR have sequencers. ------------------------------ From: "Benjamin P. Solomon" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:26:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: EPS Flickers On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Andrew Polaine wrote: > Hi, > > I have an occasional problem with my 16+... > Basically at random times (haven't found a common cause yet) the display > (and the values it is displaying) flickers around numbers etc. This happens > to all sorts of things and once it starts it affects any pages I'm on. > Tracks turn on and off, params flicker up and down. I usually turn it off > and give it a rest...could it be overheating? Dodgy power supply? Corrupted > memory? I know this one... I have an EPS 16plus and it happens to me, too. I notice that it happens when: a. I set up a MIDI loop from the EPS out to (another synth)in, from (the other synth)out to the EPS in. A tech rep told me this can cause bad things to happen. or b. I use one of the instrument disks, usually the rock drums inst. supplied with the EPS-16plus. I think it is corrupted data, but I notice that when it starts putting random characters on the screen, you have about 10 events to save your stuff. When I reload, though, just to play, it works just fine. > It's not majorly annoying as I don't gig with it and it is fairly > infrequent but it does make me wonder. I think that as long as you just load and play, you will never experience this, but once you start recording a sequence, create a MIDI loop, or begin sampling and editing, this kind of stuff will pop up. Also, while I'm on the subject of MIDI loops, this error is also partly responsible for the message "ERROR 144 -- REBOOT?", so if you have MIDI loops setup, your chances of getting this message are greater. - -WireMan disclaimer: I could be wrong... but I could be right. ------------------------------ From: Joe LeSesne Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:27:37 +0500 (EST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! (fwd) This is not to you Roger but the guy who posted initially that he wante Ensoniq to stop making samplers with internal sequencers. Don't encourage Ensoniq to remove the sequencer. All good WORKSTATIONS have them. I to do all my sequencing on computer but when I play live I don't want to take a bulky computer with me that could break down. I'd also rather not lug a hardware sequencer along with my equipment. Having the one in the EPS is great because I can dump my sequences from the computer into it and go. I also like to be able to do scratch pad work RIGHT AT THE SAMPLER where I can edit samples and sequence at once and not run back in forth between a computer sequencer and the sampler. Besides, do you honestly believe the price would be any better. Your note is just an excuse for them to remove the sequencer (cut costs) and raise the price thus keeping with the corporate trend of charging more for less. If it's such a problem just buy a rack unit. They don't have a sequencer. ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #219 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #220 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Thursday, 1 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 220 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip_D._Emery@mail.magic.ca Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:36:58 EST Subject: EPS + HD +Mac? Hello list! I came into the studio the last night to find that "2:35" had hooked up the Mac and the EPS to the hard disk at the same time! Is this safe? Are we increasing the risk of data loss, crashes, dog hickys and a greater tenancy towards Uncle abuse? From what I know about SCSI, you shouldn't be able to do this. But as long as the Mac was off, the EPS seamed to see the hard disk ok. Also, I tried to convert a wavesample to a AIFF file (you know by double clicking on it) and it seamed to take forever. Well actually after about 15 minutes I had to reboot, cause nothing seamed to be working. scEPSI is on a Mac Classic, so maybe that could be the problem. Is the convert to AIFF feature FPU dependent? wondern, wondern . . . ************************************************************** Philip Emery "Please excuse my appearance philip_emery@magic.ca I'm between hairstyles" ************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Philip_D._Emery@mail.magic.ca Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:49:37 EST Subject: Music & Samplers re: that discussion on Music. I think that a talking about music/the ethics of sampling/ and the like would be very interesting (and timely since new technology is making appropriation a bigger and bigger issue) I don't think this list would be the proper place. After all, this is for EPS users whereas such a discussion would really include anyone who uses samplers. Maybe starting another mail list? I wonder how one does that? Lord knows, I don't have NEARLY ENOUGH to read (much sarcasm inflected in last statement. Is there a smily for that?). The next issue of F.O.D. will be about the ethics and mechanics of appropriation. ************************************************************** Philip Emery "Please excuse my appearance philip_emery@magic.ca I'm between hairstyles" ************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Burtin, Boris" Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 09:37:00 PST Subject: Sampling add-ons (was ASR Track/Insts) I think that Wesley may have hit on something here. I bet that the next generation of keyboards will _not_ have a sampling option! Hopefully the market will become more standardized. A manufacturer will be able to release a sample playback synth that allows you to import samples via MIDI or floppy. It will not make any difference where the initial sample was created. That way, we won't be stuck buying a keyboard with an 8-instrument limit just because it has a sampling option built in. Heck, I'd probably rather have a TS than my EPS-16. But I can't import my .WAV files into it (can I?), so I use the EPS. How about that for instant market analysis? :-) Boris P.S. Did I really use the words "Wesley" and "next generation" in the same message? ---------- From: owner-eps To: eps Subject: Re: ASR Track/Insts Date: Thursday, December 01, 1994 7:24AM If Ensoniq would create a rackmount ASR-type sampler with: 1) no sequencer 2) 2MB sample RAM expandable to 8MB (or more) 3) 1.44MB HD floppy drive 4) optional SP-X SCSI upgrade 5) full stereo sample editing 6) FX processor with software loadable algorithms 7) $700 street price this would be a perfect companion for a TS. For sampling vocals, drum loops, acoustic sounds we need a low cost option. Used EPS16+ samplers for about $1000 are also a possible option, but a $1900 ASR-10 is an expensive addition to a TS. Oh yeah, and a PC sound card might fit the bill, if you have a PC. What do you TS guys think? Wesley ------------------------------ From: mccarthy@mprgate.mpr.ca (Chad McCarthy) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 14:52:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! (fwd) I think it's a very good point that you have a hardware sequencer for gigs or trips. However, I would say _most_ people use a personal computer for their sequencing. Aside from those people who use their workstation/keyboard sequencer as a scratch pad, that means a lot of people would use the sequencer as a sample playback unit _only_. Assuming a simple "midi file player" is a lot less processor intensive, couldn't a manufacturer include (as an option, say) a playback-only sequencer? The recovered resources could be used for a better synthesis/sound engine. Maybe there could be the sound intensive/minimal sequencer OS, and the sequencer intensive/normal sound OS? Just some ideas. Who knows if any are feasible, but I can see some people going for at least one of the options. And the modifications would only be to the software... my $0.02 -- the best of all possible worlds. Chad McCarthy ------------------------------ From: Steve Berkley Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 14:57:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: EPS + HD +Mac? The scEPSi install from oak.oakland.edu has two versions, one for FPU, one for non-FPU machines.. I'll have to check and see if the code was optimized for 68020 machines (or better) on both versions, which could also cause a crash. In short, make sure you are using the right version (non-fpu for macs without a FPU unit (the 68040 "has one"). I'll check into the 68000 code compatibility... Steve Berkley BIAS On Wed, 30 Nov 1994 Philip_D._Emery@mail.magic.ca wrote: > Hello list! > > I came into the studio the last night to find that "2:35" had hooked up the > Mac and the EPS to the hard disk at the same time! > > Is this safe? Are we increasing the risk of data loss, crashes, dog hickys > and a greater tenancy towards Uncle abuse? From what I know about SCSI, > you shouldn't be able to do this. But as long as the Mac was off, the EPS > seamed to see the hard disk ok. > > Also, I tried to convert a wavesample to a AIFF file (you know by double > clicking on it) and it seamed to take forever. Well actually after about 15 > minutes I had to reboot, cause nothing seamed to be working. scEPSI is on > a Mac Classic, so maybe that could be the problem. Is the convert to AIFF > feature FPU dependent? > > wondern, wondern . . . > > ************************************************************** > Philip Emery "Please excuse my appearance > philip_emery@magic.ca I'm between hairstyles" > > ************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ From: harvey Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:00:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Jean Francois wrote: > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped building those samplers > with a built-in sequencer. If they insist on doing so, then they must have > a sequencerless version. As of now, I have three instruments with built-in > sequencers, and two of which are from Ensoniq. How many more sequencers > does one need? Besides, chances are most sampler shoppers already own a > up paying for something that I'll never use - as long as my mac keeps on > going. Anyone else agree with me? agreed. agreed. agreed. we have a ts10, eps16+, and asr10--none of which are used for sequencing. but, ensoniq is not exactly a huge company, so they can't exactly afford the numerous variations that someone like roland offers in new instruments. i'd love to see the next sampler come as a 2 rack space non workstation SAMPLER, but i don't think it's going to happen. M.C. ------------------------------ From: mchen@sol4.cse.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:26:33 -0500 Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! (fwd) Chad McCarthy wrote: | |I think it's a very good point that you have a hardware sequencer for |gigs or trips. However, I would say _most_ people use a personal |computer for their sequencing. I don't. Too much bother... turning everything on and setting up becomes as much of a chore as playing. Plus, computers make mucho RF noise. |Aside from those people who use their |workstation/keyboard sequencer as a scratch pad, that means a lot of |people would use the sequencer as a sample playback unit _only_. I wouldn't... if you're going to do that, might as well use tape or not play live. |Assuming a simple "midi file player" is a lot less processor intensive, |couldn't a manufacturer include (as an option, say) a playback-only |sequencer? The recovered resources could be used for a better |synthesis/sound engine. Maybe there could be the sound |intensive/minimal sequencer OS, and the sequencer intensive/normal sound |OS? Why is it less processor-intensive? Playback in a recording sequencer (barring great stupidity) shouldn't be worse than playback in any other sequncer unless you're actively recording, I'd think. |Just some ideas. Who knows if any are feasible, but I can see some |people going for at least one of the options. And the modifications would |only be to the software... Of course, the difference between Unix and MS-DOS is also all in the software. :) - -- Mike ------------------------------ From: ChickenEPS@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 20:06:55 -0500 Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! Hello boys and girls (wait a minute - I've yet to see a post from a girl on this list), ------------------------------ From: Bureaucratically Impaired 01-Dec-1994 2301 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:12:27 EST Subject: Sequencers I use my sequencer in my EPS quite a bit. Not for live work, but to make up my own soundscapes. I then put my mixed sequences on 2 tracks of a 4 track, and have 2 tracks for analog sounds. I also sample a bit. I can't (don't want to) imagine a sampler with only playback. I get great sounds, effects and defects from my EPS's sampler and sequencer. Thank you Ensoniq Robert Wheeler I have the original EPS. - looking for 4X memory expander ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #220 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #221 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Friday, 2 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 221 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Griffin Eric S Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:25:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: TS companion (was ASR track/inst) On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Wesley hardy wrote: > If Ensoniq would create a rackmount ASR-type sampler with: > > 1) no sequencer > 2) 2MB sample RAM expandable to 8MB (or more) > 3) 1.44MB HD floppy drive > 4) optional SP-X SCSI upgrade > 5) full stereo sample editing > 6) FX processor with software loadable algorithms > 7) $700 street price > > this would be a perfect companion for a TS. For sampling vocals, drum loops, This is a good idea. Or, what if they made a box that simply digitizes sound and saves it to an internal hard disk (or through scsi), with little or no actual sound production? It could be like a hard disk that samples, but leaves the sound production up to the TS. (Didn't Peavey have something along this line going?) This is just an idea that flew outta my head, tomorrow I might think it's stupid. But it could serve the need of TS users who might not have a convenient way of recording and editing their own samples, and could be done pretty cheaply, I'd think. Eric Griffin esg735s@nic.smsu.edu ------------------------------ From: Michael Cowden Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 21:48:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: No more sequencers I feel the same way. I use to use an Alesis MMT-8, then I bought the ASR-10 and thought it'd be all I need. I hated the fact that your sequencer tracks are hard wired to the instrument on that INSTRUMENT/TRACK. This is hell if you're trying to write drum tracks in a pattern based fashion - with one track for drums unless I want to use another instrument. Anyway I started using cakewalk for windows, but when you're using an external sequencer with an Ensoniq product it's like you're on your own. The 434 page ASR-10 Musician's Manual has 1 page that relates to this topic, and Ensoniq's automated fax retrieval system has a 2 or 3 page write up which talks about each of their products - 1/4 page paragraph about the ASR telling me nothing I did not already know. I've also posted questions to the group and had them unanswered. Are there simply not that many people using an external sequencer with an ASR/EPS? thanks mike ------------------------------ From: swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 20:13:26 PST Subject: Digest. I'm really sorry to waste space here, but I've been trying to get this newsgroup in a DIGEST form, and it doesn't seem to want to cooperate. Is there such a feature, or isn't it implemented on this sub? If so, please show me the error of my ways. Thanx. Resume DECENT conversation now. Bri =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-= Volkswagens Art of Noise Pepsi Porsches Kraftwerk Johnny Rockets German language Depeche Mode The Cure Girls (16-26) Public Enemy Computers/Electronics Rave/Techno Music Vans(tm) Shoes Swatch(tm) watches Classical music Beethoven Albert Einstein Benjamin Franklin R & B/Soul Music Merrie Melodie Toons Keith Haring Neuspeed Equipment Roland Synthesizers Macintosh! Cubase(tm) Ensoniq ASR-10 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Internet: Swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com ------------------------------ From: jesper@iss.se (Jesper Gummeson) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 11:41:32 +0100 Subject: Re: DAT Hello John and all other ASR users! The DAT-backup in ASR-10 sucks... I have never got restore/verify to work with my Sony TCD-7 portable DAT together with ASR-10! However, the backup works...ehh... ENSONIQ have done a very clever backup implementation :-( just taking a "image" of a SCSI-disk! This means you have to restore to a equivalent SCSI-disk (same size and all of that...). It takes a whole lifetime backing up...ONLY 300Mb! (And this needs 2 x 60m tapes...) :-( I have used brand new DDS tapes...but it still don't work! (You have to use DDS tapes according to the manuals...2x the price.) *************************************************************** **** WARNING! **** **** Don't buy DAT + ASR-10 Digital I/O for backup/restore **** **** verify until ENSONIQ have a working solution! **** *************************************************************** What about version 3.0? ...will the backup/restore/verify function finally be implemented...working! -ENSONIQ!? It seems like the ASR-10 don't bother about SCMS! Maybe you can use ASR-10 as a filter...between 2 DAT's, or using a very big harddisk as a buffer, for copying audio data... Does anybody else know? (I will try...if I get the time...) In the ASR Digital I/O documents it's mentioned that you should not copy the backup DAT-->DAT...maybe SCMS is the reason...?! Best Regards /Jesper > > > > I have a question regarding DAT and my ASR-10. Do I need to >worry at all about SCMS? I want to be sure that if I do a DAT backup >of my hard drive digitally and restore from the DAT, I can still backup >again, ie, the DAT won't see the SCMS code that it put onto the first >backup. Also, if I want to digitally duplicate my DAT tapes, can I >just record direct-to-disk and back to DAT ad infinitum? Thanx for >any help, if this works, I'll just get the cheapest DAT player I can. > >John > > ___________________________________________________________________________ /\ Jesper Gummeson | email: jesper@iss.se /\/ \ Technical Support | Fax : +46 8-276620 /\/ \ \ Summit Scandinavia AB | Voice: +46 8-276670 ___________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: NCYCNCFB Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:10:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: That discussion on music Phlip Emery said: >I think that a talking about music/the ethics of sampling/ and the like >would be very interesting ..... Yep this is one of the things I was thinking of in my email earlier about discussing music rather than mainly tech stuff. But maybe this isn't the right list for this?? >Maybe starting another mail list? I wonder how one does that? Lord knows, I >don't have NEARLY ENOUGH to read Yep me too. Another thought. It looks like many more people who own the EPS/ASR actually play them live much more than, for instance, Akai users. IMO the Akai is much more a production tool than a playing machine like the Ensoniq gear. Oh yeah, I'm an EPS owner. But since I'm more into production than playing live maybe I should have got an Akai? It was those wonderful bits of looping sofware in the EPS which sold it too me. In general the software is cool but lots of us seem to have experienced hardware problems. As someone else said earlier, Ensoniq should really get their act together on this front now and make the hardware quality match the software quality. Oh and we must get resonant filters. Chris ------------------------------ From: ChasJesus@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:00:27 -0500 Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! Jean Francois writes: > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped building those samplers with a built-in sequencer. > Anyone else agree with me? What does it matter? Ensoniq's cost for the sequencer add on is nil. I count three buttons on my ASR that are dedicated to the sequener only. From the company standpoint, it's nothing but code. I've had my ASR for a year and a half and I don't have a clue how the sequencer works, and since everyone on this list has a computer I wouldn't think many of them are using the on-board sequencer either. But however you look at it, the small cost it adds is far outstripped by the marketing advantage it gives the company, so your time is probably more productively spent asking for features you want to see added. Charlie Williamson ------------------------------ From: pbuchta@mail.med.cornell.edu (Peter Buchta) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:35:17 -0500 Subject: COMPETITION IS WONDERFULLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!! OH! What the hey! If I can't afford what they want for the K2500. I'll wait until Ensoniq comes out with somethin'. Youse all know they be workin' on somethin' over there in Pennsey.;-) :-) ;-) :-) Petr. Peter J. Buchta Video Operations Cornell University Medical College pbuchta@mail.med.cornell.edu ------------------------------ From: "Johan Burman ELD92" Date: 2 Dec 94 15:15:56 +0100 Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! > > What does it matter? Ensoniq's cost for the sequencer add on is nil. I count > three buttons on my ASR that are dedicated to the sequener only. From the > company standpoint, it's nothing but code. > The buttons where propably the cheapest parts of the sequencer. Code isn't cheap. - ----------------------------------------------------- - Johan Burman, johan.burman@tt.luth.se - - woom@ludd.luth.se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The image came to me... in a dream..." - - - Norris / Ball / Unknown - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: erussell@wiis.wang.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 9:29:07 EST Subject: Re: Re: That discussion on music (fwd) > Phlip Emery said: > >I think that a talking about music/the ethics of sampling/ and the like > >would be very interesting ..... > > Yep this is one of the things I was thinking of in my email > earlier about discussing music rather than mainly tech stuff. > But maybe this isn't the right list for this?? > >Maybe starting another mail list? I don't think another list but I would be very interested in sharing more about sound/music in general. What parameters give sounds what dynamics. Evetually a generic FAQ which had things like - if you want a more brassy sound set this, etc. Also sharing of what sounds together make for interesting music. > > Another thought. > It looks like many more people who own the EPS/ASR actually > play them live much more than, for instance, Akai users. > IMO the Akai is much more a production tool than a playing > machine like the Ensoniq gear. That's very intersting. What makes a keyboard more production versus performance? I own a TS-12 and enjoy creating music live, perhaps with some sequenced background. But I never play the same thing twice. I just enjoy sitting down and playing. I therefore have to come up with creative ways to take advantage of the synth in a live environment. This includes setting up song/sequence tracks with all the instruments for a particular piece set up (but perhaps only the bass line recorded). Also doing creative stuff with the patch select buttons (performance option set to HELD), and finally (I haven't done this yet) using a pedal to trigger midi events so for sections of the song I can change instruments on the fly. Anyone have other ideas? Edward Russell erussell@wiis.wang.com ------------------------------ From: midilink@interaccess.com (Dave Nosek) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 09:03:10 -0600 Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped building those samplers >with a built-in sequencer. If they insist on doing so, then they must have >a sequencerless version. As of now, I have three instruments with built-in >sequencers, and two of which are from Ensoniq. How many more sequencers >does one need? Besides, chances are most sampler shoppers already own a >sequencer. Had Emu come out with its new $1500 sampler when I was >shopping, I guarantee you I'd buy it over the ASR-10. That would have >saved me $1000. The ASR-10 had the most bang for my buck; but I also ended >up paying for something that I'll never use - as long as my mac keeps on >going. Anyone else agree with me? I agree with you, but I believe it's a manufacturing cost thing. Most manufacturers' budgets will only allow for a limited number of production models. I'm not saying that they shouldn't come out with a non-sequencer sampler, just that their market surveys must tell them that most people prefer a built in sequencer, or more people use them for gigs than for studio work where they generally use a computer based sequencer. Looking around my own surroundings here, 5 of my synths/samplers have built in sequencers and since I don't gig anymore and only use them here in the studio, I've never used one of them, let alone know how to use them because of the computer sequencers. Roland attemped offering both types of keyboards, with and without built in sequencers back in the late '80's with the D-10 and D-20 models. That's one of the few times I've seen this occur. Bottom line is $$$$, where does a manufacturer make the most, and what does the market want. Most successful manufacturers are "market driven". One of the companies I rep has discontinued products that sell well over $1 million dollars net, but being limited to the amount of products they can manufacturer felt that their market surveys said "come out with THIS product and it will warrant discontinuing the million dollar item you have to drop". Sounds whacky, but that's how it works. Sound Management - MIDILink Net 708.949.6434 8-N-1 midilink@interaccess.com ------------------------------ From: mod30075@cip1.uni-hannover.de (Christian Ismer) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 17:26 MET Subject: Pitch detector? Does a program for PC exist, which can detect the pitch of a sound-file? It should just tell you something like "D#3 +4Cents". Maybe something like this is implemented in another program? - -- Christian ------------------------------ From: Bill ZKO 3-2/Y05 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:28:01 EST Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! > > What does it matter? Ensoniq's cost for the sequencer add on is nil. I count > three buttons on my ASR that are dedicated to the sequener only. From the > company standpoint, it's nothing but code. It is also more than just buttons for the sequencer part. There is a memory subsystem. This includes the memory chips, logic to decode memory banks, a little battery power system to power the memory chips when the unit is turned off so sequences aren't lost. Also, there needs to be clock circuitry and interrupt handling logic for the sequencer. This all adds to the cost considerably. bill powers - -- Digital Equipment Corporation - Nashua, NH E-Mail: powers@asd.enet.dec.com ------------------------------ From: "Brent A. Christian (Burnt)" Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:35:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Jean Francois wrote: > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped building those samplers > with a built-in sequencer. If they insist on doing so, then they must have > a sequencerless version. I once had it put this way. It really doesn't cost much for a company to include a sequencer w/ a keyboard, 'specially if all the development has been done already. I have a feeling that they'll be leaving the sequencer in because it would more than likely cost more to produce 2 different verstions of the same kbd, one w/o a sequencer. Plus, if someone is out to buy an "all-in-one" type deal, the lack of a sequncer would be a major downfall. I also find myself with multiple keyboards, all of which have sequencers (well, the Mirage doesn't have much of a sequencer and the ESQ is sick in the closet). I do find it handy if I come up with a cool little riff to just hit the ASR (count that as 1 more ASR user, BTW) sequencer to get it down before I forget it and move on to something else. I don't feel it really hurts to have the sequencer there - don't need it, don't use it... @}----;------ -Burnt ------------------------------ From: "Brent A. Christian (Burnt)" Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:47:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! On 2 Dec 1994, Johan Burman ELD92 wrote: > The buttons where propably the cheapest parts of the sequencer. Code > isn't cheap. Yeah, but I'm sure it was at least 90% written already before, say, the ASR came out. I don't think there was a whole lot of new code... @}----;------ -Burnt ------------------------------ From: mchen@sol4.cse.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:01:36 -0500 Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! Bill ZKO 3-2/Y05 wrote: | |> |> What does it matter? Ensoniq's cost for the sequencer add on is nil. I count |> three buttons on my ASR that are dedicated to the sequener only. From the |> company standpoint, it's nothing but code. | | It is also more than just buttons for the sequencer part. There is |a memory subsystem. This includes the memory chips, logic to decode |memory banks, a little battery power system to power the memory chips |when the unit is turned off so sequences aren't lost. Also, there needs |to be clock circuitry and interrupt handling logic for the sequencer. | | This all adds to the cost considerably. On a sampler? wouldn't do much without a memory system, and NOTHING would do much without a hardware clock... the ASR doesn't use SRAM for its sequencer, so the battery thing is false. Given you have a 68K, how do you expect anything at all to run without "interrupt handling logic"? Sorry, but I just don't get this one. - -- Mike ------------------------------ From: Michael Hyman Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:11:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Bill ZKO 3-2/Y05 wrote: > > What does it matter? Ensoniq's cost for the sequencer add on is nil. I count > > three buttons on my ASR that are dedicated to the sequener only. From the > > company standpoint, it's nothing but code. > > It is also more than just buttons for the sequencer part. There is > a memory subsystem. > Also, there needs > to be clock circuitry and interrupt handling logic for the sequencer. > > This all adds to the cost considerably. The Truth (according to Mike): Ensoniq sequencers are, for the most part, free. They are "just software". Removing them would save you virtually nothing, except for a few buttons - that's it. - Mike (mikeh@netaxs.com) ------------------------------ From: ethan taylor sellers Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 20:37:01 CST Subject: EPS vs. ASR-10 I have the original EPS and another guy in my dorm has an ASR-10 with all of the goodies, but has anyone noticed that ASR-10 apparently doesn't have the neato Poly-key aftertouch that the EPS has? Perhaps it was just me, or perhaps he had his set some sort of specific way, but I just couldn't get any aftertouch pressure out of that board! It was like playing . . . a Roland. (gasp!) What gives? Say it ain't so. . . Ethan ------------------------------ From: ethan taylor sellers Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 20:50:20 CST Subject: EPS versus ASR 10 apologies if you already got this. . . I own an EPS classic (although only having the two times memory expansion makes it not quite so classic - if I bought it used the warranty would be void, right? If so, is there a third party eight times expansion that I could buy for the original EPS? 16? Dare I dream 32?), and I recently met a guy in my dorm with an ASR-10. Of course, I promptly noodled around on it (with his kind permission), and observed that the ASR 10 doesn't seem to have the same Polykey aftertouch that my EPS has. No matter how I tried, I couldn't manage to make the volume swells that I can make using pressure on my EPS. What gives? It was like - gasp - playing a Roland! (Ewwwww! - Tinny, cheesy sounds, and no "feel.") Please tell me that it was just the sounds I was playing (they were "Orchestral Strings" - shouldn't they be aftertouch-receptive?) or some weird setting that my friend had them on, because boy am I losing faith. Whoever heard of a company that takes away some of the *good* things about old products when introducting new ones? Say it ain't so! Ever naively Ethan ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #221 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #222 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Saturday, 3 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 222 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: smegma@xmission.com (Roger Weeks) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 00:51:46 -0700 Subject: ASR / Mac I know this has been asked before, but... I've been using EPSm for quite some time now. It's a great program. However, does anyone know if there is a similar program that will read and write ASR high density disks? This would be a VERY valuable program for me to have right now. Any information would be appreciated. Terje? Is this planned for future releases of EPSm? Or perhaps an ASRm? - ---ooooo---O---ooooo--- "WARNING: Manufactured with CFC-113 and Roger Weeks Methyl Chloroform, substances which harm smegma@xmission.com public health and environment by destroying ooo-----ooo^ooo-----ooo ozone in the upper atmosphere." ------------------------------ From: David Dawson Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:52:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: EPS WWW site?? I can't access the WWW EPS site at www.acs.oakland.edu/eps.html lately. Is it gone? What did I miss? == David Dawson = == == ddawson@eskimo.com = "Sun gonna shine in my back door someday..." == == Seattle, WA USA = - Tommy Johnson == == = == ------------------------------ From: jsanger@cix.compulink.co.uk (James Sanger) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 94 01:02 GMT Subject: The web is alive, and this spider is stalking... Any more news on the o.s.3 for the a.s.r.10 ? I want it now ! Also what mac programs are there available that can manipulate sample data from the a.s.r.10 or e.p.s.16+ ? I have both an a.s.r.10 and e.p.s.16+ and am about to get a mac for use with Logic audio etc >>>>> ? ><>>>>><><><><><><<.,., Thanks for your attention ! james j a m e s JJJJJJ AAAAAA MMMMMM EEEEEEEE SSSSSSS s s s s s h s . ------------------------------ From: Jeff Marraccini Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:20:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: EPS WWW site?? > > I can't access the WWW EPS site at www.acs.oakland.edu/eps.html lately. > Is it gone? What did I miss? Please for now use the URL http://www.acs.oakland.edu/oak.html and select the EPS archive. The link back to the normal URL will be put back shortly--I think one of the other web admins accidently zapped it. thanks, Jeff - -- Jeff Marraccini jeff@vela.acs.oakland.edu <- Work Senior Computing Resource Administrator jeff@nucleus.mi.org <- Home Oakland University "The Computer is your Friend." -- Paranoia Jeff Marraccini's Home Page ------------------------------ From: Michael Cowden Date: Sat, 03 Dec 1994 22:56:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: 3.0 I picked up Version 3.0 today at a local music store. I don't have a CD Rom Drive for my ASR-10 yet so . . . Anyway it has a new command to import samples of formats other than ASR/EPS. One thing I've noticed is that the Instrument/Sequence Track Buttons function differently. For one, if you try to load an Instrument to an Instrument whose Yellow light is solidly lit it won't do it. I guess this is supposed to protect you from loading over top of a sample you're currently using but I find it rather annoying - I used to highlight the Instrument I wanted to load to to make sure I didn't acciidentally overwrite another Instrument - and now I can't. Also, I don't seem to recall it doing this before either- If you have the LOAD light lit and you press EDIT - after you select any sequence of Instrume and then press LOAD again the Instrument you were before you began editing is once again selected. I guess this could be useful. That's all I've noticed so far. Mike ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #222 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #223 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Sunday, 4 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 223 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reuben.chew@paonline.com Date: Sat, 03 Dec 94 23:24:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: ASR TRAC Previously... HA>If Ensoniq would create a rackmount ASR-type sampler with: HA> 1) no sequencer HA> 2) 2MB sample RAM expandable to 8MB (or more) HA> 3) 1.44MB HD floppy drive HA> 4) optional SP-X SCSI upgrade HA> 5) full stereo sample editing HA> 6) FX processor with software loadable algorithms HA> 7) $700 street price HA>this would be a perfect companion for a TS. For sampling vocals, drum Hmmm.... I thought that there is an rack-mount ASR-10 available? $700 is going to be hard to get. However, I would like the following features added: 1/ more multitimbral instruments (8 isn't enough); 2/ a HDR that accepts sync with external sequencer (I heard that it cannot be done today, but maybe I'm wrong...). I would like to see a rack-mount version of the TS-10/12 myself. I think the TS-10/12 has a great machine, but I wouldn't buy it cos i have enough keyboards lying around already... who needs another 61 keys to take up more space? - - reuben ------------------------------ From: reuben.chew@paonline.com Date: Sat, 03 Dec 94 23:24:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: EPS NEWS GROUP? Hi all, I was wondering if there is a EPS-16/ASR-10 newsgroup on the internet. Also, I am looking for a cakewalk newsgroup too (if any), I don't mind listservers, but they have a tendency to clutter up my mail. - - reuben ------------------------------ From: reuben.chew@paonline.com Date: Sat, 03 Dec 94 23:24:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: PARALLEL EFFECTS Previously from Canine... > I need to simulate a voice talking over a > small, cheezy radio. I have the AIE disk, but > I don't know how to tweak the parameters to > achieve that effect. Any ideas on how that > is done? Thanks! CA>I'm not sure whether You are talking about an ASR, but there, just scro CA>up CA>to the Effect "Rumble Filter" select "Edit Effect" and change the varia CA>to "Phone". Tweak as desired then speak at will... I have an EPS 16+ so I didn't have the opportunity of using a ASR "Rumble Filter" :-(... - - reuben ------------------------------ From: yirmeyahu.fox@dscmail.com (YIRMEYAHU FOX) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 94 07:26:00 -5 Subject: ASR Sequencer ChasJesus@aol.com (Charlie Williamson) wrote: O> I've had my ASR for a year and a half and I don't have a clue how the O> sequencer works, and since everyone on this list has a computer I wouldn't O> think many of them are using the on-board sequencer either. Well, maybe everyone except one. I don't have a computer, and actually wish the sequencer were better than it is. I find it inadequate. But at the time I was ready to purchase, I felt my choices were the K2000 and the ASR-10. It was the internal effects and the sequencer that sold me on the ASR-10. Of course I didn't know that there would be a K2000 O.S. 3.00 But that's okay. I wouldn't have been sequencing until now!! O> But however you O> look at it, the small cost it adds is far outstripped by the marketing O> advantage it gives the company, so your time is probably more productively O> spent asking for features you want to see added. It worked for me. There are probably others. _______________________________________________________________ In response to this: O> > What does it matter? Ensoniq's cost for the sequencer add on is nil. I coun O> > three buttons on my ASR that are dedicated to the sequener only. From the O> > company standpoint, it's nothing but code. "Johan Burman ELD92" wrote: O> The buttons where propably the cheapest parts of the sequencer. Code O> isn't cheap. I once called Ensoniq to ask if a couple of features could be added to the sequencer. They told me that the guy who had written the code for the eps sequencer, which was now brought into the ASR-10 was no longer with the company, and nobody really knew how to get into it properly. The code was already there and added no expense to the ASR-10. Thankfully, it is probably the last of this hard wiring of tracks to instruments. Or so we can hope. Not that it'll matter to me. My ASR is here for the long haul. _____________________________________________________________________________ yirmeyahu.fox@dscmail.com _____________________________________________________________________________ - --- ~ PB 2.13d 0068 ~ ------------------------------ From: DANIEL J NIGRIN Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 11:06:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: PARALLEL EFFECTS Just another reason that we've GOTTA hack the ASR/EPS16 to be able to copy those cool ASR effects into the EPS16's. How about Ensoniq??? Or will you just wait for Waveboy to do it????? Dan On Sat, 3 Dec 1994 reuben.chew@paonline.com wrote: > > Previously from Canine... > > I need to simulate a voice talking over a > > small, cheezy radio. I have the AIE disk, but > > I don't know how to tweak the parameters to > > achieve that effect. Any ideas on how that > > is done? Thanks! > > CA>I'm not sure whether You are talking about an ASR, but there, just scro > CA>up > CA>to the Effect "Rumble Filter" select "Edit Effect" and change the varia > CA>to "Phone". Tweak as desired then speak at will... > > I have an EPS 16+ so I didn't have the opportunity of using a ASR > "Rumble Filter" :-(... > > - reuben ------------------------------ From: Christopher Gray Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 17:06:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: ASR Reading Roland, AKAI, and Kurz floppies? Is this true? I know that OS Ver 3.0 read CD-ROM for Roland and Akai, but what about their floppies? Also someone mentioned that Kurz samples could also be read. I would LOVE to get some of those rich pad from the K-2000! ============================================================== Chris Gray | "Why are Blak People in Amerikkka so afraid grayc@iia.org | of Allah and Islam???" K. Shabazz Muhammad ============================================================== ------------------------------ From: canine@anexia.westfalen.de (Kai Niggemann) Date: 04 Dec 1994 12:28:20 GMT Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped > building those samplers with a built-in > sequencer. I beg to differ. I think the sequencer built into the ASR is way inferior to any software based sequencer. But I still find it very useful when resampling sounds through the effects section. It just keeps my attention focused to one machine and ... well bullshit, I don't know why, but I like it for that. > If they insist on doing so, then > they must have a sequencerless version. That indeed would be a good solution. in peace. - - Canine ###"If you don't want an abortion - don't get one." ### - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message comes from an inhabitant of Anexia. It consists solely of the inhabitant's personal views and opinions. For more info on Anexia write to: Thanks for your attention.This was an Anexia-public-service-announcement - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: dillon_barry@dneast.enet.dec.com Date: Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:40:00 EST Subject: Ensoniq EPS mailing list Hi Folks, could someone please Email me, (at the Email Address below, I'm not on the mailing list YET). With subscription address for the Ensoniq EPS mailing list. Many thanks bARRY Email......dillon_barry@dneast.enet.dec.com ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #223 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #224 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Monday, 5 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 224 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: atteanwi@atc.mil.se (Anders Wikholm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 11:11:22 --100 Subject: Processor upgrade I've always used the EPS and now the ASR-10 as sequencer because I like the interface. Now I'm for the first time considering buying a computer because I spend an awful lot of time looking at the messages "shuffling data" and "locating". I haven't checked but I suspect it's the same 10 MHz 68000 that were in the old EPS that's inside the ASR. Does anyone know if there's a processor upgrade available? A 68030 would probably speed things up so you even could use time stretching without going mad. /AW - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Anders Wikholm aka MOULIN NOIR "What would life be without the Korg Trident?" - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc. 1911" Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 10:41:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: Converting SOunds Does anyone know of a Computer program that will let me convert an ASR or EPS Sample/Instrument to a SY85 sound? (read: I want to take something off an ASR-10 or EPS disk and Transfer it to the SY85) No effects or anything need be transferred. Thanks in advance Jacque ------------------------------ From: John Edward Sasinowski Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 12:57:25 -0500 Subject: Looking for .gkh file format info I'm looking for information on the .gkh file format. I tried going through the digests, and while I found several pointers to a letter written by Goh King Wha dated 24 Mar 92, I couldn't find it in the digests (maybe I'm blind). Can anyone help? Thanks. - John ------------------------------ From: Kevin Archibald Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 11:29:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: EPS/TS10 combo? Hi, I have an EPS 4x SCSI with 8 output expander. I was wondering if it would be a smarter buy to get an additional TS10 to go with the EPS or sell the EPS and get a K2000S. I need a good synthesizer and want to be able to work with samples within the synth as well. I'll probably pick up my friend's ESQ-1 temporarily for the analog filters but the TS10 sounds more like what I need, though the EPS and TS10 combined would be about what I'd pay for the better K2000S. What y'all think? Any TS10 users out there who have gripes or regrets? And prices? Kevin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Observe the World and Think <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ < > /| / Hypocrisy in the Land of the Free \ |\ < > / | / Hostility and Stupidity \ | \ < > / | / Keep your progress to yourself... \ | \ < > / |/ \| \ < > \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The church of my choice is the free, open world" <<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: MOREYLC@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 14:07:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: EPS/TS-10 combo. I am the owner of an EPS/TS-10 combo, and thought I'd give you my 2 cents worth on the combo. There have been a few times that I've had a couple of regrets about the combo, although my dilemma was whether or not to sell the EPS and get an ASR instead. There have been sometimes when I wish I'd done so, but not too many. I mainly use the TS-10 for performance and multitimbral sequencing from an external sequencer, and only use the EPS (classic or 13-) for sampling work. But, there are some things about the EPS I like BETTER for performance than the TS-10. For example, the TS-10 basically allows you to work with 3 instruments at once when performing; the EPS allows you instant access to 8 (but with much less memory to work with). So that bugs me in live work. Also, when switching instruments in real time, the TS-10 has a noticeable silence/gap when a new instrument is brought in; I think this is due to the effects algorithms changing, but whatever the reason it means that you can't do nice, smooth real time transitions using the sustain on an old instrument while bringing in a new one, like I used to do on the EPS. Third, while I like the effects on the TS10 a lot (certainly better than those on the EPS ;) ) I often wish that I could put an external audio signal through that effects processor when working live--I believe the ASR allows you to do this. And finally, although I may be weird in this regard I like the built in sequencer in the EPS better than that in the TS10; I think it is faster to use, even though less versatile, but for anything complicated I just go to an external sequencer anyway. So those are some of my complaints. But, one final BIG complaint that I have is that I simply don't like a TON of the TS10 ROM samples. There just seems to be an abnormally large number of useless samples, and for things like strings and synth pads, I have done better myself when sampling with the EPS. But, then again, with enough memory I can load 20 samples into the TS10 that I've created with the EPS, so I can get by. But with all these issues, there have been a few times I wish I'd bought the ASR instead. Well, sorry to ramble on so much. Good luck with your hunting. But, I HAVE heard that the K2000 does not do a particular good job of translating other manufacturers samples, so I wouldn't plan on your EPS stuff working all that well in it. But never tried it myself. Caveat emptor! LM ------------------------------ From: lester@ixtapa.eng.hou.compaq.com (Robert Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 15:17:56 CST Subject: Need bar chime sample I need a bar chime sound for my TS-12. If anyone has either a TS patch for a bar chime or a EPS/ASR sample for bar chimes I would appreciate it. Thanks, - -- Allan Lester Compaq Computer Corp INTERNET: lester@ixtapa.eng.hou.compaq.com (713) 374-1899 "The views expressed here are my own, and not those of my employer." ------------------------------ From: bthompson@yorkcol.edu Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 16:59:57 EST Subject: EPS? I just joined this list and I'm not an EPS user...Yet. I am very familiar with synths and somewhat familiar with samplers but I've never used an EPS. Someone offered me an EPS (not 16 or 16+) with a 2x expander for $650. Is this a good price? What are the advantages and disadvantages of this model? You may not want to clog the bandwith with info that everyone else here knows so you can reply to me personally at: Bthompson@yorkcol.edu Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanx, Brad Thompson (PokeweeD) Bthompson@yorkcol.edu ------------------------------ From: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no (Terje) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:30:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Looking for .gkh file format info >I'm looking for information on the .gkh file format. I tried going >through the digests, and while I found several pointers to a letter >written by Goh King Wha dated 24 Mar 92, I couldn't find it in the >digests (maybe I'm blind). > May be you were not looking at the right place. As far as I understand there are two kinds of digests which are acessible by two different methods. Old digests ( before easter 94 ): These are acessible by ftp from oak.oakland.edu:/pub2/eps/digests/ When you see a date like above, you should look at the date the digest was filed in the directory in order to get the right one. Newer digests : These can be obtained by requesting them from the mailing lists server program, We send a request by email to eps-digest-request@oak.oakland.edu and simple write "get" , You can also get an index over which digests exist. You can get a list of all commands you can send to the server by putting "help" in the body of your message, Actually the server will also understand :"Hi, I am John, could you please send me a list of the commands you understand". Hopefully this was some help. btw, The date you mentioned is correct for the information you want. Terje ------------------------------ From: Peter_Mueller@UCSDLIBRARY.ucsd.edu Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:05:00 -0800 Subject: VIRUS ALERT - ---------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: Garrett Bowles Date: 12/5/94 11:09AM *To: #Music Group Subject: VIRUS ALERT - ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: LIBRARY SYSTEMS HELP DESK at UCSDLIBRARY Date: 12/5/94 10:55AM To: asinger@ucsd.edu at @UCSD *To: #HELP DESK - Adm Comp Contacts Subject: VIRUS ALERT - ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: Richard Lindemann Date: 12/5/94 9:33AM To: LIBRARY SYSTEMS HELP DESK cc: Sue Papp Subject: VIRUS ALERT - ---------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: warkent@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA at @UCSD Date: 12/4/94 10:12AM *To: EXLIBRIS%RUTVM1.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU at @UCSD Subject: VIRUS ALERT - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be aware! ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: VIRUS ALERT Author: LIBRARY SYSTEMS HELP DESK at UCSDLIBRARY Date: 12/5/94 10:55 AM Help Desk Contacts please route to everyone in your departments. Thanks A virus is circulating on the Internet. If you receive a message with the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT. Delete immediately or your disk will require treatment by a virus-scanner. I have had two copies of this message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned by an early morning phone call from a friend who got hit. ******************************************************************************* Germaine Warkentin warkent@epas.utoronto.ca English, Victoria College, University of Toronto ******************************************************************************* >-- Saved internet headers (useful for debugging) >Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by ucsd.edu; id HAA13348 sendmail 8.6.9/UCSD- >Message-Id: <199412041516.HAA13348@ucsd.edu> >Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by pucc.Princeton.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) wi >Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@PUCC) by PUCC.PRINCETON. >Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 10:12:55 -0500 >Reply-To: Rare Books and Special Collections Forum Sender: Rare Books and Special Collections Forum From: Germaine Warkentin >Subject: VIRUS ALERT >X-To: Renaissance History List >X-cc: EARAM , Sharp-L To: Multiple recipients of list EXLIBRIS X-CCaddr: Bcc: richard lindemann AT ucsdlibrary >X-CCaddr: *To: EXLIBRIS%RUTVM1.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU at @UC ------------------------------ From: Joe LeSesne Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 20:04:47 +0500 (EST) Subject: Re: No More Sequencers, Please! On 4 Dec 1994, Kai Niggemann wrote: > > I think it's about time that Ensoniq stopped > > building those samplers with a built-in > > sequencer. > > I beg to differ. I think the sequencer built into the ASR is way inferior to > any software based sequencer. But I still find it very useful when resampling > sounds through the effects section. It just keeps my attention focused to one > machine and ... well bullshit, I don't know why, but I like it for that. > > > If they insist on doing so, then > > they must have a sequencerless version. > > That indeed would be a good solution. Isn't this called a rack? No keyboard, no sequencer. Joe ------------------------------ From: ebrandt@muddcs.cs.hmc.edu (Eli Brandt) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:07:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT A virus is circulating on the Internet. If you receive a message with the header "VIRUS ALERT" *do not read it*. Delete immediately or you will feel the need to propagate the damned thing (or at least waste list bandwidth asking other people not to propagate it). Seriously: this warning is bogus. No program can harm your system unless you run it. Don't run programs that random people send you in the mail, but don't worry about looking at mail. (Hedge: if your mail reader doesn't strip control characters and you're logging in from an old terminal, mail with control characters can confuse your character set or keymap.) My guess is that the original "xxx-1" message consisted of something like a screen of newlines followed by the text, "HAHA THIS COMPUTER HAS THE XXX-1 VIRUS". Computer-naive user sees this, freaks out... I apologize if this message is part of a flood of responses, but I haven't seen any yet, and this VIRUS ALERT has been infecting a lot of mailing lists recently. Eli ebrandt@hmc.edu Hey, I hear 9600-bps modems have this secret subchannel... ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #224 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #225 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Tuesday, 6 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 225 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: z@acs.bu.edu (Paul Rodriguez) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:26:54 -0500 Subject: Audio stuff for the mac Was it here that someone posted a forsale about a 16 Bit card for playing back sound on the mac, along with SoundEdit and some other stuff? If so, e-mail me the info again, please, I threw it out. Thanks, Paul ------------------------------ From: happy@eden.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:31:19 -0600 Subject: New ASR OS I got a copy of the new OS today and started to wonder... if the new OS is free, how come someone hasn't uploaded it to oakland? I read the README file in the OS dir and it says not all OS version a free to distribute. If this one is free, is it free to distribute? Vince. ------------------------------ From: "Jody J. Herron" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 01:17:59 CST Subject: ASR questions Hi, friends. I am wondering if anyone knows the "cheapest" price for ASR add-ons, such as SCSI interface, Digital I/O, or output expander. Being a student with a family, I barely had money to buy the synth! Also, there are two people that seem to have alternate tuning disks for sale. One is Gary Morrison from Austin, TX. The other is Bill Sethares, from Madison, WI. Are these the same disks, or what? Lastly, what is the latest word on the ProsoniQ-Effects disks, or the ASR O.S. disk? Please let me know at jjherron@facstaf.wisc.edu Thank you, Mark Davini ------------------------------ From: thammer@marin.unit.no Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:24:19 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Converting SOunds > > Does anyone know of a Computer program that will let me convert an ASR or > EPS Sample/Instrument to a SY85 sound? (read: I want to take something off an > ASR-10 or EPS disk and Transfer it to the SY85) No effects or anything need > be transferred. > Can your Yamaha read TX-samples? If it can, some versions of sox wil be able to do the conversion. If you succeed, let us know. Thomas thammer"marina.unit.no ------------------------------ From: thammer@marin.unit.no Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:50:56 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: i want my eps 3.0! > come out with a new sampler. I still have an EPS classic (13-) but I have > figured out ways to do things that I shouldn't be able to do like > scratching, pitch shifting and time stretching. Maybe I'll write a book > and tell all EPS and EPS 16+ users how to do the above to a wavesample. > (incidentally these tricks will also work on the ASR and they can be > applied to individual samples in real time unlike the timestretching on > the ASR. > Joe The things you are 'not supposed to do' has mostly to do with transwaves or some of the loop-pos-modulation variations ?? Or have you started to hack the OS?? Enlighten our minds Thomas thammer(At)marina.unit.no ------------------------------ From: "Schelvis W." Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 10:53:18 +0100 (MET) Subject: Your advice would be much appreciated Hello, I own a Yamaha Clavinova and I'm happy with it. The things it does, it does very well. However, it is limited in its possibilities, and I want to expand my MIDI set (well, just the Clavinova) and buy a sampler / synthesizer. I intend to use it (together with a software sequencer) as a composing tool (classical music), for experimenting with alternative tunings, and for experimenting with music and sound in its broadest sense, so versatility is important to me. I do not intend to use it in performances. Now I have two decisions to make. i Should I buy a sampler (like an ASR10) or should I buy a synthesizer (like a TS10) and use a good PC soundcard as a sampler when I need one. ii Should I buy a keyboard version or should I buy a rack version and use the keyboard of my Clavinova as a master keyboard. I would be very happy if some of you could give me your opinion. Thanks in advance and greetings, Wilbert. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilbert Schelvis PTT Research, Neher Laboratories room: E124 PO BOX 421 phone: +31703326486 2260 AK Leidschendam fax: +31703326477 the Netherlands email: W.A.M.Schelvis@research.ptt.nl ------------------------------ From: thammer@marin.unit.no Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:04:16 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: ASR10 effects + extra > > >Have you tried just changing the filetype to eps16+ effect. > > That's a little more difficult done than said. Can you try it or tell us how > to do it? That would take some sector editing, right? > Yes. Its just one byte that has to be changed. Don't remember which because I'm at school and don't have the info on me (Hope I wont be in the same situation 1 week from now, when I have an exam in dig. image processing ;-). If somebody uploads a gkh with just 1 file - some interesting ASR effect (not present on the 16+) I'll try changing the type and load it into my 16+. But I must admit that I doubt it'll work - but it's definitely worth a shot. Thomas thammer(at)marina.unit.no (my keyboard is missing the 'alpha-thing'-key) ------------------------------ From: Philip_D._Emery@mail.magic.ca Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 22:26:14 EST Subject: EPS & RAM Am I to understand that this here EPS sampler uses the same kind of RAM as my MAC (SIMMs)? What speed would they need to be? I think we already have an expander (whatever the hell THAT means) along with a SCSI port, so could we expand our on-board memory? We're always running out of memory, and as we use the EPS for all our sampling (we do all our own sampling so far) it could really come in handy. But, as life never goes that smooth, tell me the facts (please) Sitting here with a fist-full of 1 meg simms, noise ------------------------------ From: Joe LeSesne Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:04:46 +0500 (EST) Subject: Re: i want my eps 3.0! On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 thammer@marin.unit.no wrote: > The things you are 'not supposed to do' has mostly to do with > transwaves or some of the loop-pos-modulation variations ?? > Or have you started to hack the OS?? > > Enlighten our minds Well, No, the classic EPS has no transwave setting. No, I haven't hacked the OS. I'll just say that it has to do with loops, envelopes and modulation. I think I've stumbled upon a "trade secret". Joe ------------------------------ From: erussell@wiis.wang.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 9:45:48 EST Subject: Re: EPS/TS-10 combo. (fwd) Forwarded message: > From: MOREYLC@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu > > But, there are some things about > the EPS I like BETTER for performance than the TS-10. For example, the > TS-10 basically allows you to work with 3 instruments at once when performing > the EPS allows you instant access to 8 (but with much less memory to work > with). So that bugs me in live work. The TS allows you to work with 12 at once. Set up a sequence (don't worry, you're not going to use the sequencer) and then put whatever instruments you want on tracks 1 - 12. Then assign different keyboard zones, overlays, or whatever. > Also, when switching instruments > in real time, the TS-10 has a noticeable silence/gap when a new instrument > is brought in; I think this is due to the effects algorithms changing, but > whatever the reason it means that you can't do nice, smooth real time > transitions using the sustain on an old instrument while bringing in a > new one, When you set it up the tracks on a sequecne, you can reselect different tracks which have different instruments assigned while holding the sustain, and there will be no gap. You are correct about the effects algorithm change causing the gap. In a sequence, all the tracks have the same effects setup (though I think there is a way around this by routing to different effects output (FX1, FX2, AUX) so there is no gap. The other advantage of this setup is that the TS will save up to 24 (more) of these sequence setups and you can label them with the name of the piece you will be playing. So you have instant access to a setup for a particular live performance. Of course you can also save the setups to floppy as sequences. I also throw a bass line or drum loop on one of the tracks and play that with the sequencer while playing the rest live. Edward Russell erussell@wiis.wang.com ------------------------------ From: Ferdinand Jamitzky Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 16:33:53 MET Subject: ASR-64+ ?? Hi, I'm the proud owner of an EPS16+ and have done a lot of sampling with this machine and with the classic EPS I had before. I love the EPS because of the millions of possibilities to modify a sample. I think it's a very cool musical instrument and not a recording tool like AKAIs or ROLANDs. When the ASR appeared on the scene the first thing I did was talking to my bank, but when I first tried the ASR I decided to keep my EPS16+. The ASR doesn't have: - - A good chassis (it's nicely designed but useless for a live musician) - - Flashbanks - - Polykey Aftertouch I think Ensoniq should decide whether they want to build a KEYBOARD (= musical instrument) or a production tool (= digital tape deck). BTW when you want a sampling tool with: - - 128 voices - - filters with resonance - - up to 112 MB RAM - - effect processor with 8 effects at a time - - graphical sampling editor with import of .WAV files - - 8 single outputs - - price $1500 then get a PC with four AWE-32 cards. F. Jamitzky Max-Planck-Institut fuer extraterrestrische Physik, Garching b. Muenchen ------------------------------ From: hardy@KMERL.Research.Panasonic.COM (Wesley hardy) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:22:15 EST Subject: Re: EPS/TS-10 combo. > > I am the owner of an EPS/TS-10 combo, and thought I'd give you my 2 cents > worth on the combo. There have been a few times that I've had a couple > of regrets about the combo, although my dilemma was whether or not to > sell the EPS and get an ASR instead. There have been sometimes when I > wish I'd done so, but not too many. I mainly use the TS-10 for performance > and multitimbral sequencing from an external sequencer, and only use the > EPS (classic or 13-) for sampling work. But, there are some things about > the EPS I like BETTER for performance than the TS-10. For example, the > TS-10 basically allows you to work with 3 instruments at once when performing; > the EPS allows you instant access to 8 (but with much less memory to work > with). So that bugs me in live work. Woe dude, read the TS manual. A sequence can function like a 12 track preset. You cad double click sounds on other tracks to layer them. When I perform live at church, I usually use have the sequencer play an 8 bar drum rhythm on track 1 while I play a bass/piano layer with split key-zones on tracks 2 and 3. That's more powerful than the 8 track EPS! > Also, when switching instruments > in real time, the TS-10 has a noticeable silence/gap when a new instrument > is brought in; I think this is due to the effects algorithms changing, but Thats exactly whats happening. > whatever the reason it means that you can't do nice, smooth real time > transitions using the sustain on an old instrument while bringing in a > new one, like I used to do on the EPS. This can be solved by assigning each performance instrument to a sequence track and then select different tracks while playing. All the tracks will share the effects algoithm/routing for the sequence and thus no pops (loading new algorithms in the DSP). > Third, while I like the effects > on the TS10 a lot (certainly better than those on the EPS ;) ) I often > wish that I could put an external audio signal through that effects > processor when working live--I believe the ASR allows you to do this. And This is exactly why I agonized over the ASR-10 also. Maybe if I take a DP/4 pill that will help. > finally, although I may be weird in this regard I like the built in > sequencer in the EPS better than that in the TS10; I think it is faster to > use, even though less versatile, but for anything complicated I just go Could it be the age-old trait of most humans: "We like whatever is most familiar"? > to an external sequencer anyway. So those are some of my complaints. > But, one final BIG complaint that I have is that I simply don't like a TON > of the TS10 ROM samples. There just seems to be an abnormally large number > of useless samples, and for things like strings and synth pads, I have done > better myself when sampling with the EPS. Do you dislike the PROGRAMS or the WAVESAMPLES? I personally like the internal sounds enough that I don't usually reach for a sample disk right away. But this is all so subjective. Some people like sample aliasing and 8-bit grunge. > But, then again, with enough memory > I can load 20 samples into the TS10 that I've created with the EPS, so > I can get by. But with all these issues, there have been a few times I > wish I'd bought the ASR instead. > > Well, sorry to ramble on so much. Good luck with your hunting. But, I > HAVE heard that the K2000 does not do a particular good job of translating > other manufacturers samples, so I wouldn't plan on your EPS stuff working > all that well in it. But never tried it myself. Caveat emptor! dittos > > LM > my $.02, Wesley Hardy, TS-12 ------------------------------ From: Ferdinand Jamitzky Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:48:00 MET Subject: Re: ASR-64+ ?? AWE-32 Cards are the latest SoundBlaster Cards. They have a 32-voice Emu-wavetable syntesizer with expandable RAM (up to 28 MB) onboard together with an effects processor. The synt section resembles very much to the EmaxII architecture. F. Jamitzky Max-Planck-Institut fuer extraterrestrische Physik, Garching b. Muenchen ------------------------------ From: Griffin Eric S Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:05:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: EPS/TS-10 combo. (fwd) On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 erussell@wiis.wang.com wrote: > Forwarded message: > > From: MOREYLC@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu > > > > But, there are some things about > > the EPS I like BETTER for performance than the TS-10. For example, the > > TS-10 basically allows you to work with 3 instruments at once when performing > > the EPS allows you instant access to 8 (but with much less memory to work > > with). So that bugs me in live work. > > The TS allows you to work with 12 at once. Set up a sequence (don't If you don't mind a simple double-click, you can use up to 24 "at once". Using song tracks is easy in the manner you described, and double-clicking the track select button doesn't take much. > > Also, when switching instruments > > in real time, the TS-10 has a noticeable silence/gap when a new instrument > > is brought in; I think this is due to the effects algorithms changing, but > > whatever the reason it means that you can't do nice, smooth real time > > transitions using the sustain on an old instrument while bringing in a > > new one, Sure you can. Use the tracks in the sequence. The effects doesn't change, and if you're using a multi-effects algorithm, you can have a couple of effects to choose from for each different instrument. IMHO, the TS can't be beat for live performance if you do your homework, but then again I haven't done a lot of extensive work with an ASR or EPS. There aren't many synths out there with the real-time flexibility that the type of live performing I do requires. Eric Griffin esg735s@nic.smsu.edu ------------------------------ From: Jean Francois Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:22:15 -0500 Subject: Alchemy 3.0 and ASR-10 I've heard that Passport will be releasing Alchemy 3.0 in January. Does anyone have any details? Will it be supporting the ASR-10 over SCSI? Later, JB.. - -- I know we're both reading between the lines. But which lines are you up to? ------------------------------ From: Jean Francois Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:24:28 -0500 Subject: OS 3.0 documentations Are there any documentations that come with OS 3.0? How do we know what the new features are? Later, JB.. - -- I know we're both reading between the lines. But which lines are you up to? ------------------------------ From: lester@ixtapa.eng.hou.compaq.com (Robert Lester) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:29:35 CST Subject: TS silence between sounds There has been considerable discussion recently about the TS going silent when switching from one sound to another. I posted a question about this to the Transoniq Hacker. The question and response appear on page 24 of the October 1994 issue. To summarize, "For the TS to switch smoothly from one sound to another using the same effect, you need to make sure that "Voice-Muting" (on the Master page) is set to "Off" I tried this and it works great. There is still a small gap when the effect is loaded, but it is much less noticable. Try this if you cannot use one of the multi effects and sequencer tracks as mentioned in previous posts. - -- Allan Lester Compaq Computer Corp INTERNET: lester@ixtapa.eng.hou.compaq.com (713) 374-1899 "The views expressed here are my own, and not those of my employer." ------------------------------ From: Michael Cowden Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 14:40:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: 3.0 Docs I was told that Ensoniq is/has put together documentation for all the updates up to 3.0 altogether. Perhaps if you called them and asked they'd send it to you. Thanks Mike ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #225 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #226 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Wednesday, 7 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 226 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean Francois Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 00:11:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Alchemy 3.0 and ASR-10 I had asked Passport Tech Support (on AOL) whether or not ver 3.0 will support the ASR-10 and this was the response I got. "The beta version already does. Alchemy 3.0 probably won't be out until sometime first quarter 95." I'm starting to save some money; this baby will not cost less than $400. Ouch!!! When in doubt, you really don't have a clue. ------------------------------ From: GREENDOT@delphi.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 04:20:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Time-stretching in real time on EPS?? Well, the only place I can see any sort of time-stretching or pitch shifting taking place in real time is with the sample start.. end.. and loop position points, and modulating them real time with something like your mod wheel. (Ooops. If anybody is confused, this is in regards to a previous post where somebody said they are able to do real time time-stretching.. pitch shifting.. and scratching.. on an EPS Classic and EPS 16+.) Any time I've played with the modulation any sample points, the sounds turn out very robotic.. or metallic. But, I have used them a lot for weird songs.. kewl effect. Anybody else do this? Can anybody else think of a section of the system that would allow pitch shifting or time stretching? Just my 360 pesos... Joseph Good GDB.j greendot@delphi.com ------------------------------ From: ChickenEPS@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:54:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Processor upgrade >I haven't checked but I suspect it's the same 10 MHz 68000 that were in the >old EPS that's inside the ASR. Does anyone know if there's a processor >upgrade available? A 68030 would probably speed things up so you even could >use time stretching without going mad. Sorry - every Ensoniq instrument (besides the Mirage and SPD-1) has the 68000. And also except the new KT series, which features the 68020. It enables better quality sound and 64 voices. My theory is that you'll see the same voice boost as when they upgraded to 32/31 voices; so you'll see new versions of the ASR and the TS. But I don't think that Ensoniq will ever do a processor upgrade - to make it that easy would take extra engineering they don't have time to do. Also Ensoniq tends to really dislike hardware tinkering with their instruments. The 68020 (or higher) will be the processor of the future - I hope Ensoniq goes even further. Garth/RCS ------------------------------ From: DANIEL J NIGRIN Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:25:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Time-stretching in real time on EPS?? Joseph: Yeah, I've been using this trick for a while! I use the mod wheel to modulate the LOOP POSITION, with a VERY short loop set up (couple hundred blocks)...I set RANGE so that with the mod wheel all the way up, I hear the whole sample play through, then I back down on MOD AMOUNT from +99 to wherever the exact end of the sample is. Then I have the whole range of the sample available on the range of the mod wheel. I've also used the LFO as the modulator instead of the wheel. Someone once covered this in the Transoniq Hacker, though I can't remember when... Any other ideas? Dan Nigrin On Wed, 7 Dec 1994 GREENDOT@delphi.com wrote: > Well, the only place I can see any sort of time-stretching > or pitch shifting taking place in real time is with the > sample start.. end.. and loop position points, and modulating > them real time with something like your mod wheel. > > (Ooops. If anybody is confused, this is in regards to a > previous post where somebody said they are able to do real > time time-stretching.. pitch shifting.. and scratching.. on > an EPS Classic and EPS 16+.) > > Any time I've played with the modulation any sample points, > the sounds turn out very robotic.. or metallic. But, I have > used them a lot for weird songs.. kewl effect. > > Anybody else do this? > > Can anybody else think of a section of the system that would > allow pitch shifting or time stretching? > > > Just my 360 pesos... > > Joseph Good > GDB.j > greendot@delphi.com > ------------------------------ From: Kevin Burdish Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 9:36:19 EST Subject: Toy Piano Sample??? Hi Boys & Girls!! Does anyone have a Toy Piano Sample? I would really appreciate it! Thanks, Kevin ------------------------------ From: Mark O'Shea Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 05:30:47 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: Toy Piano Sample??? On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Kevin Burdish wrote: > Hi Boys & Girls!! > Does anyone have a Toy Piano Sample? > I would really appreciate it! From memory, I think Perkazoid is a toy piano. I haven't got my EPS handy, so I can't check it out now. It's only 26 blocks, and was part of the original sound disks ensoniq supplied. It sounds kinda like a dinky Fisher Price piano to me. I'll check it out tonight for you. Can we pass around sounds that were included in the box? regards Mark ------------------------------ From: mccarthy@mprgate.mpr.ca (Chad McCarthy) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:31:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Third-Party Samples. I've got a couple of questions, which anyone can email me answers to, or reply to the list if they feel they're worthwhile: 1) I bought my EPS 16+ used, and recevied a standard "Ensoniq" set of about 14 sample disks and demos (culminating in the "Club Scene Demo", I think it's called). Did I get all the disks, or does the accompanying set include more disks? 2) To buy my EPS 16+, I had to sell my M1 and D50. Does anyone know of third party sample-providers that sell "M1" and/or "D50" sets of samples? Are they prohibitively expensive? I miss some of my old patches... 3) What does anyone think of Ensoniq's EPS and EPS-16+ sample libraries? (I forget their names, but each could include a hundred or more sounds). Are they worthwhile/spectacular/boring? What would a dealer typically charge for these (I might be able to buy them very cheaply)? *3.1) I remember running across a sequence (I think from Ensoniq's EPS-16+ library) with Star Trek samples throughout. Drums were from a loop, and I think there was a great distorted guitar, too. Anyone know what this one is called/where I can find it? Thanks in advance, Chad McCarthy ------------------------------ From: Mark O'Shea Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:00:04 +1100 (EST) Subject: EPS and Mac Work kindly donated a mac to my cause, and I thought I'd try out scEPSI. Unfortunately I have no idea whatsoever on how to decompress the files from oakland and get it all up and running. Could someone recommend what utilities I would need to decompress it, and where I would get them from. Also, any other recommendations for cool mac software would be appreciated. thanks Mark ------------------------------ From: perre@skom.se (Per Odeltorp) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 00:34 CET Subject: OS 3.0 in Sweden as well! Got it a few hours ago, have only tried it a little bit. Borrowed an Akai S1100 CD-ROM, no problems in loading the files. The only confusing is the Akai way of arranging the samples, in Volumes and Programmes. Tried the digital sampling, sad to say it's still fucked up. It converts 44.1Khz to 48Khz. No fun... /p perre@skom.se = Per Odeltorp, Stockholm, Sweden ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #226 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #227 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Thursday, 8 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 227 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JohnOHH@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 01:26:05 -0500 Subject: EPS 16 For Sale Ensoniq EPS 16 PLUS Rackmount Great shape, studio use only 20 voice, 16 bit 8 outputs SCSI (first rack to get SCSI installed, how historic) multimode filters (hi-pass and low-pass) Great effects: reverb, stereo delay, chor, phase, distortion Can resample thru effects Decent sequencer All original manuals, disks and box Waveboy Resonance Filter/FM disk AND: Total Peripherals 105 meg Harddrive $1250 and I'll include FedEx COD shipping anywhere in the US. Email or call (202) 588-9166 John ------------------------------ From: Matt Savard Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:08:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sound FX I'm looking for the following sound effects. 1. Horse whinney (many horses..) 2. A 'ding-dong' type doorbell. 3. A siren (the kind that steadily rise, then fall. 4. A creaking door. If you have any of these could you please u-load them to oak.oakland.edu? You could E-mail them to me if you wanted. My address is: msavard@rain.org Thanks for your help... Matt ------------------------------ From: Dom Latter Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:09:31 PST Subject: PC software Hi. I'm new on this list. I've read the FAQ. Low-temperature flames only if I'm not doing this right, please! The band is now in posession of an EPS ( the one you call the Classic I believe ( is there a Diet version ? ;-) ). I'm after two things right now - advice on getting the SCSI port fitted and sticking a hard drive on it ( or MO ? ), and on PC software. In the FAQ is the address (snail) of Rubber Chicken software who do a PC editor. Is it any good? Is it expensive? Do they have e-mail? Is there a demo version? IS there anything else available? In fact are there any decent editors out there at all? I started writing one; with the main intention of editing my Korg DW8000, but it would appear that the Sysex on the Korg is dubious :=] And now the Korg's been taken away to be sampled... But I'm still in to the idea of writing an editor, for both synths. Anyone else working on one? Would you like to collaborate? Anyone got a suitable mailing list for the Korg? End of questions. Ignore the .sig, I'm a musician really.... ------------------------------ From: thammer@marin.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:56:29 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Third-Party Samples. > > 2) To buy my EPS 16+, I had to sell my M1 and D50. Does anyone know of > third party sample-providers that sell "M1" and/or "D50" sets of > samples? Are they prohibitively expensive? I miss some of my old patches... > I've sampled every sample/multisample in the M1, completely dry - without any filtering, amplitude envelpe, LFO or effects ... If you remeber how to program your 'favorite patches' and are able do redo it the Ensoniq way, these samples might be of use to you. I might be persuaded to send them to you (or upload to oak if there is interest) if.... Everyone who program pathes/sounds worth listening to using these sounds send me (or oak) a copy. Anyone with a M1 and a EPS willing to try 'copying parameters' from the M1 to the EPS and try to recreate the M1 patches? Let me know. Thomas thammer@marina.unit.no ------------------------------ From: thammer@marin.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:02:10 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: ASR-64+ ?? > > AWE-32 Cards are the latest SoundBlaster Cards. They have > a 32-voice Emu-wavetable syntesizer with expandable RAM (up to 28 MB) > onboard together with an effects processor. > The synt section resembles very much to the EmaxII architecture. > > F. Jamitzky > Max-Planck-Institut fuer extraterrestrische Physik, Garching b. Muenchen > Is the AWE as noicy as it's smaller brothers (SB16..). If it is, it's pretty useless as a musical instrument. I've been thinking of buying one, but have been frightened off by listening to other Creative-products. How does the GUS compare? Thomas thammer@marina.unit.no ------------------------------ From: thammer@marin.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:26:30 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: i want my eps 3.0! > > On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 thammer@marin.unit.no wrote: > > > The things you are 'not supposed to do' has mostly to do with > > transwaves or some of the loop-pos-modulation variations ?? > > Or have you started to hack the OS?? > > > > Enlighten our minds > > Well, > No, the classic EPS has no transwave setting. No, I haven't > hacked the OS. I'll just say that it has to do with loops, envelopes and > modulation. I think I've stumbled upon a "trade secret". > Joe Since I own an EPS 16+ and not a Classic, I do not know what the different modulation types are called on the classic. On my 16+ they're called LOOP POS, START, START+LP, LOOPSTRT, LOOP END, LPSTRT-X, TRANSWAV. I'll rephrase my original questions: 1) Are you using any of the above mentioned modulation types? (or some of the classic-versions of these) [yes/no] 2) If you are, isn't the result kind of noicy? (Unless you use particulary 'nice' sounds.) [yes/no] Thomas, trying again. thammer@marina.unit.no ------------------------------ From: "Allen Derusha (SoW)" Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:06:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: want to buy: classic scsi i'm sure there's a lot of these requests posted, but the subject says it all. i've just got my greedy little hands on a syquest removable drive, and i'd like to be able to use it with my board. email me if you have one around at ad299@leo.nmc.edu thanks a bundle. ------------------------------ From: Jason Priebe Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:04:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Third-Party Samples. > I might be persuaded to send them to you (or upload to oak if there is > interest) if.... Everyone who program pathes/sounds worth listening to using YES!! There is interest in having them uploaded! I've never played an M1, so I can't recreate any of the patches, but I'd be happy to try to create some good new ones with the raw sample data! - -Jason `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`, `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,if`you`ask`no,questions,then`beware,of`lies,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`, `jason`priebe,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,priebe@cs.unc.edu, `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`, ------------------------------ From: hardy@KMERL.Research.Panasonic.COM (Wesley hardy) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:37:16 EST Subject: Re: Third-Party Samples. > > 2) To buy my EPS 16+, I had to sell my M1 and D50. Does anyone know of > > third party sample-providers that sell "M1" and/or "D50" sets of > > samples? Are they prohibitively expensive? I miss some of my old patches... > > > > I've sampled every sample/multisample in the M1, completely dry - without > any filtering, amplitude envelpe, LFO or effects ... > > I might be persuaded to send them to you (or upload to oak if there is > interest) if.... Everyone who program pathes/sounds worth listening to using > these sounds send me (or oak) a copy. > Anyone with a M1 and a EPS willing to > try 'copying parameters' from the M1 to the EPS and try to recreate the M1 > patches? > > Let me know. > > Thomas > thammer@marina.unit.no > Hey, guys! Bring on the M1 samples! - -Wesley Hardy ------------------------------ From: Mark Plummer Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:52:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Third-Party Samples. I, too, say Bring on the M1 (& D50, if possible) samples! It would greatly be appreciated! thanks. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||| ||| ||| Mark Plummer Constantly in . . . ||| ||| Fort Collins, Colorado Romantic Limbo ||| ||| U.S.A. ||| ||| ||| ||| markp@alpha.pr1.k12.co.us Picture & Sound ||| ||| ||| ||| Amiga4000*VideoToaster*Centris660av*ADAT*EPS16+*Mackie*DA-30mkII ||| ||| ||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ------------------------------ From: Brian L Reardon Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:45:53 -0500 Subject: M1 Samples I would be interested in M1 samples, it would save me the time sampling it myself which I was getting ready to do here at UNCC Midi Lab. I guess I'll start sampling the KS-32 instead. Final destination...oakland! thanks Brian Reardon UNC Charlotte ------------------------------ From: DANIEL J NIGRIN Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:43:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: i want my eps 3.0! Yeah, my modulation using those parameters is noisy....but nice! Dan On Thu, 8 Dec 1994 thammer@marin.unit.no wrote: > > > > On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 thammer@marin.unit.no wrote: > > > > > The things you are 'not supposed to do' has mostly to do with > > > transwaves or some of the loop-pos-modulation variations ?? > > > Or have you started to hack the OS?? > > > > > > Enlighten our minds > > > > Well, > > No, the classic EPS has no transwave setting. No, I haven't > > hacked the OS. I'll just say that it has to do with loops, envelopes and > > modulation. I think I've stumbled upon a "trade secret". > > Joe > > Since I own an EPS 16+ and not a Classic, I do not know what the > different modulation types are called on the classic. On my 16+ they're called > LOOP POS, START, START+LP, LOOPSTRT, LOOP END, LPSTRT-X, TRANSWAV. > I'll rephrase my original questions: > 1) Are you using any of the above mentioned modulation types? > (or some of the classic-versions of these) [yes/no] > 2) If you are, isn't the result kind of noicy? (Unless you use particulary > 'nice' sounds.) [yes/no] > > Thomas, trying again. > thammer@marina.unit.no > > > ------------------------------ End of eps-digest V1 #227 ************************* From: owner-eps-digest To: eps-digest@oak.oakland.edu Subject: eps-digest V1 #228 Reply-To: eps Errors-To: owner-eps-digest Precedence: bulk eps-digest Friday, 9 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 228 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STEPHEN BURKE Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:50:00 -0600 Subject: Copywrite on uploaded samples? I have a quick question. I just finished sampling a nice guitar loop from HATE DEPT's new CD, but I was worried about copywrite issues before uploading it. (1)does Oak allow it? (2) would I get in trouble from another party? If It's allowed, I'll be happy to donate the GHK file. steve. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* % "i get defensive when i know im wrong" HATE DEPT. % %_________________________________________________________________________% % | blame fairfield university % % sburke@kentlaw.edu | for anything really odd I % % | may have written above... % ########################################################################### ------------------------------ From: AXGRINDER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 00:56:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Thanks Thank You Ensoniq for 3.0! Just tried 3.0 at work and it loads Roland & Akai samples just fine. I think it scrolls thru the Roland samples or partials but when you load it loads the entire patch.I thot someone said it was supposed to convert Kurzweil also, I could only find Roland & Akai. I think they also got rid of that annoying bug where if you deleted a sample it deleted everything else along with it. -Axgrinder Special thanks to Cosmo Watts for showing up at the studio. ------------------------------ From: "Benjamin P. Solomon" Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:51:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: AWE On Thu, 8 Dec 1994 thammer@marin.unit.no wrote: > > Is the AWE as noicy as it's smaller brothers (SB16..). If it is, it's > pretty useless as a musical instrument. I've been thinking of buying one, > but have been frightened off by listening to other Creative-products. > How does the GUS compare? > > Thomas > thammer@marina.unit.no > No, no no no no... don't buy a AWE... I have a GUS with 1024k mem on board. It is very very useable as a musical instrument. I can load 16-bit sounds with it and play them through an effects processor and it sounds as good as my EPS. Plus, Musician's Friend sells something called an UltraSound MIDI Adaptor for like 49.99 that plugs into the joystick port. Works great. Got those two things? Your GUS and your MIDI adaptor? Great now just get the MIDIfier program from UltraSound, and you are in business-- aa 16-bit synthesizer. I wouldn't trade mine. Oh, except, I would get the GUS Max, it can sample in 16-bit, not 8-bit like mine... but they both playback the same. - -WireMan ------------------------------ From: g.leone@genie.geis.com Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 03:30:00 UTC Subject: ASR-64+ ?? >From: Ferdinand Jamitzky >The ASR doesn't have: >- A good chassis (it's nicely designed but useless for a live musician) I beg to differ. I play the thing live and it's built like a tank. Besides, unlike the EPS Classic and 16+ it's got an aluminum body, not plastic. >- Flashbanks True. >- Polykey Aftertouch Not true. Like its ancestors, the ASR has both Polyphonic and Channel Aftertouch. (It's called "Poly-Key[tm] Pressure" in the manual.) - Gerry g.leone@genie.geis.com ------------------------------ From: Jean-Pierre Chevallet Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:39:01 +0100 Subject: Re: AWE Dans votre courrier du Dec 8, 23:51, vous ecrivez: > > >On Thu, 8 Dec 1994 thammer@marin.unit.no wrote: > >> >> Is the AWE as noicy as it's smaller brothers (SB16..). If it is, it's >> pretty useless as a musical instrument. I've been thinking of buying one, >> but have been frightened off by listening to other Creative-products. >> How does the GUS compare? >> >> Thomas >> thammer@marina.unit.no >> > >No, no no no no... don't buy a AWE... I have a GUS with 1024k mem on Is it so noisy ? really ? I've planed to buy one AWE, to use with my classic EPS : are the effects usefull on board ? can I plug in my EPS out and have reverb ? does anybody use this thing for music ? Thanks. - -- - ---------- CHEVALLET Jean-Pierre Jean-Pierre.Chevallet@imag.fr http://www-lgi.imag.fr/Les.Personnes/Jean-Pierre.Chevallet LGI-IMAG, BP 53 X, 38041 GRENOBLE CEDEX 9, FRANCE "Faire, et en faisant, se faire" ------------------------------ From: Ferdinand Jamitzky Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 12:32:21 MET Subject: Re: AWE I ordered a AWE32 last week, but I don't have it yet. There is an article in the german magazine KEYS where they say that the AWE has a digital output for a DAT recorder and they highly recommend the AWE. Also there is an editor software called VIENNA from Creative Labs. You can edit all the parameters and save it as a .SBK file or download them to the AWE. Parmeters to edit are: - - loop: start and end - - keyrange for sample - - layering of samples in one instrument ( I don't know how many layers) - - pitch/filter envelope - - amp envelope (ADHSR) - - chorus and reverb level (ADHSR) - - filter cutoff and resonance There is also a software by jvillena@dsic.upv.es called CONVERT which converts samples in the following formats (as claimed by the author, I didn't try it): 669 669 Tracker Module AIFF Audio Interchange Format File (AIFF) AU Sun/Next Audio File DMF Delusion Digital Music File DSF Delusion Digital Sound File DSM Digital Sound Module FAR Farandole Composer Module FSM Farandole Composer WaveSample F2R Farandole Linear Module F3R Farandole Blocked Linear Module GKH, ED? Ensoniq Disk Image (VFX, SD, EPS, ASR, TS) IFF Interchange Format File (IFF) INS, EF? Ensoniq Instrument File KRZ Kurzweil K2000 File MED MED/OctaMED Module MOD Protracker/Fastracker/Startrekker Module MTM MultiTracker Module OKT Oktalizer Module PAC SBStudio II Package or Song PAT Gravis Ultrasound Patch PSM Protracker Studio Module RAW PCM Signed Raw Sound File SBK Emu SoundFont Bank (AWE32 Bank) SDK Roland S-550/S-50/W-30 Disk Image SDS MIDI Sample DUMP Standard File SDX Sample DUMP Exchange File SF IRCAM Sound File" SMP Samplevision File SND PCM Unsigned Raw Sound File SOU SBStudio II Sound File STM Scream Tracker 1 & 2 S3I, SMP Digiplayer/ST3 Sample File S3M Scream Tracker v3 Module TXW Yamaha TX-16W Wave File ULT UltraTracker Module UNI UNIMOD Module UWF UltraTracker WaveSample VOC Creative Lab's Sound File WAV Microsoft Windows RIFF WAVE It should be possible to convert EPS-Sounds to AWE (I hope so). F. Jamitzky Max-Planck-Institut fuer extraterrstrische Physik, Garching b. Muenchen ------------------------------ From: Kenneth Hsu Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 21:38:40 +1000 (GMT+1000) Subject: Re: AWE On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Jean-Pierre Chevallet wrote: > >No, no no no no... don't buy a AWE... I have a GUS with 1024k mem on > > Is it so noisy ? really ? I've planed to buy one AWE, to use with > my classic EPS : are the effects usefull on board ? can I plug in > my EPS out and have reverb ? does anybody use this thing for music ? I too have been planning to buy an AWE32 - but lately in the soundcard newsgroup everyone is slagging it off...... So is anyone actually using this for music??? I think it will complement my classic EPS very well (nice long ambient washes samples in the background in 16-bit - once when I upgrade the memory.....) Anyone wants to share their experiences using the AWE32? later, Ken Hsu ------------------------------ From: Tangerine To The Hilt Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:18:44 GMT Subject: Re: AWE Having both a GUS & AWE (why is this being discussed here ?), I find they are both limited. Having 1 stereo out is quite impractical if you wish to use them seriously. Neither are ridiculously noisy, but any card stuck inside a PC is going to suffer from internal noise/hum problems. The GUS is expandable to 1 Meg and has no onboard effects. The AWE is expandable to 28 Meg and has onboard Reverb + Chorus. So that completely biased bloke who said,"No no no no no, dont buy an AWE", should shut the f**k up and give the full fac