From sicdes.dnet.etn.com!davis Wed Oct 20 14:14:08 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 151.110.3.15 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 20 Oct 93 14:09 PDT Received: by etn.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00552; Wed, 20 Oct 1993 17:00:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 17:00:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9310202100.AA00552@etn.com> From: davis@sicdes.dnet.etn.com (TIMOTHY A. DAVIS) To: "eps@reed.edu"@whqst1.dnet.etn.com Subject: Classic EPS/SCSI Drive Compatability EPS/SCSI users: Has anyone had compatability problems with the "classic" EPS and a recent model SyDOS 44Meg Remov Cartridge Hard Drive? I am using an EPS (lastest O.S and ROM) with PS Systems SCSI adapter and 4x memory with a PS Systems 44 Meg remov. Due to mechanical failure, I had PS Systems replace my hard drive. It was replaced with their "latest generation" drive with new firmware. My EPS is now incapable of formating, reading, and writing to the drive. My options are: 1. Have PS Systems downgrade my hard drive to the previous model. 2. Sell my EPS and buy the ASR-10. Any ideas? Tim Davis Milwaukee, WI davis@sicdes.dnet.etn.com From uahis1.uah.edu!claassen%ebs330 Wed Oct 20 16:00:37 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.84.181.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 20 Oct 93 15:59 PDT Received: from uahis1.uah.edu by theory.TC.Cornell.EDU with SMTP id AA14932 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 20 Oct 1993 18:59:01 -0400 Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Wed, 20 Oct 93 17:56:09 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21175; Wed, 20 Oct 93 17:49:17 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9310202249.AA21175@ebs330> Subject: EPS Sysex To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 17:49:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 797 Am i blind or is there an obvious place where i can find the SYSEX implementation of the EPS? It's not in any of my manuals. I want to assign MIDI send channels for each instrument in each song, ie. i don't want to save it as instrument related information but more like song realted information. Are presets used for that? I still haven't really found out how to use presets... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From sdepl.UCSD.EDU!slv Wed Oct 20 17:04:24 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.239.254.201 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 20 Oct 93 17:03 PDT Received: from sdepl.UCSD.EDU by ucsd.edu; id RAA27273 sendmail 8.6/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Wed, 20 Oct 1993 17:03:48 -0700 for Received: by sdepl.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA06327 to eps@reed.edu; Wed, 20 Oct 93 15:42:50 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 15:42:50 PDT From: slv@sdepl.UCSD.EDU (Steve Valdez) Message-Id: <9310202242.AA06327@sdepl.UCSD.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: AIFF 2 EFE Is there a program for the Mac that lets you convert EFE -> AIFF and then back to AIFF -> EFE. The reason I need this is so I can sample stuff on my ASR then edit the sample with Alchemy and then load it back into the ASR. Seems EPSm can go one way but not back from the ASR to Alchemy(AIFF). Thanks mc From zardoz.ece.cmu.edu!sjohn Wed Oct 20 17:43:58 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.2.102.34 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 20 Oct 93 17:43 PDT Received: by zardoz.ece.cmu.edu (5.54-ECE2/5.17) id AA00983; Wed, 20 Oct 93 20:43:29 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 20:43:29 EDT From: John E. Sasinowski Message-Id: <9310210043.AA00983@zardoz.ece.cmu.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS Sysex Cc: sjohn@zardoz.ece.cmu.edu In my EPS16+ manual, there's an address on page Appendix 1 (right after section 11) at Ensoniq where you can write to request a copy of the full sysex implementation. I haven't written to them yet, but I did for my VFX-SD and they sent me a copy without any hassles. The address is: Ensoniq Corp MIDI Specification Desk 155 Great Valley Parkway Malvern, PA 19355 Give them your name and address and request a copy of the "EPS-16 PLUS External MIDI Specification". Hope that helps! - John From elm.circa.ufl.edu!mas Wed Oct 20 18:56:28 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.227.8.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 20 Oct 93 18:56 PDT Received: by elm.circa.ufl.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA17277; Wed, 20 Oct 93 21:54:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 21:54:34 -0400 From: mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Mark Schneider) Message-Id: <9310210154.AA17277@elm.circa.ufl.edu> To: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS Sysex Cc: mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu You can call Ensoniq at 800-553-5151 and ask them to send you a free copy of the Midi spec. Also, the C code implementing this is on ftp.reed.edu The file is /eps/docs/epslib_2.0.tar.Z Good luck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mark Schneider University of Florida | | mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu 904-335-6511(Voice)/4932(Fax) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- << In Stereo Where Available >> From Dartmouth.EDU!Stephen.W.Berkley Wed Oct 20 20:39:53 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.170.16.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 20 Oct 93 20:38 PDT Received: by coos.dartmouth.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19885; Wed, 20 Oct 1993 23:38:30 -0400 Message-Id: <7188869@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 20 Oct 93 23:38:27 EDT From: Stephen.W.Berkley@Dartmouth.EDU (Stephen W. Berkley) Subject: scEPSi 1.3.4 in INCOMING To: eps@reed.edu Hey Folks! scEPSi 1.3.4, the Macintosh Ensoniq Disk Utility is now in the incoming folder at eps.reed.edu. In addition to it's multitude of functions, scEPSi 1.3.4 offers Ensoniq Disk "Diagnostics." Diagnostics will show 8 common errors with EPS/ASR disks. In a later update, you will be able to FIX these errors, kind of like "Norton Utilites" for an Ensoniq disk! File fragmentation is also shown in the diagnostics test.... Enjoy- Steve Berkley From math.tau.ac.il!flashner Thu Oct 21 02:23:34 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.66.40.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 21 Oct 93 02:22 PDT Return-Path: Received: from libra-mb.math.tau.ac.il by math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.tau-930921) id AA24503; Thu, 21 Oct 93 11:23:01 +0200 Received: by libra.math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.sub-st921020) id AA15385; Thu, 21 Oct 93 11:23:00 +0200 From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il Message-Id: <9310210923.AA15385@libra.math.tau.ac.il> Subject: Ever lasting WS with one press... To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 11:23:00 +0200 (GMT+0200) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 835 Hello, I'm new in the ASR-10 era, and I've been trying to make a WaveSample which would loop "forever" with one push of a key, without the need to hold the key down in order to keep the sound going. I tried to do that by changing the times in the 3rd envelope (amp. env.) to the max. 99. The sound did last as I stopped pressing down the key, but it stopped after a few minutes, because even time level of 99 is not considered "forever" in the ASR and has a specific limited amount of time. Is there a solution???? -- ================================================================================ Amit Flashner (c) 1993 +________________________________________________________________________________ | Pure Quality. Nothing More. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From scf.usc.edu!etrinida Thu Oct 21 02:47:57 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.125.253.133 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 21 Oct 93 02:47 PDT Received: from phakt.usc.edu by chaph.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.0) id AA14007; Thu, 21 Oct 93 02:47:38 PDT Received: by phakt.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.6) id AA11740; Thu, 21 Oct 93 02:47:34 PDT From: etrinida@scf.usc.edu (Elson R. Trinidad) Message-Id: <9310210947.AA11740@phakt.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Ever lasting WS with one press... To: flashner@math.tau.ac.il Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 02:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9310210923.AA15385@libra.math.tau.ac.il> from "flashner@math.tau.ac.il" at Oct 21, 93 11:23:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 854 > > Hello, > I'm new in the ASR-10 era, and I've been trying to make a > WaveSample which would loop "forever" with one push of a key, > without the need to hold the key down in order to keep the > sound going. > > I tried to do that by changing the times in the 3rd envelope > (amp. env.) to the max. 99. The sound did last as I stopped > pressing down the key, but it stopped after a few minutes, > because even time level of 99 is not considered "forever" in > the ASR and has a specific limited amount of time. > > Is there a solution???? I have an EPS and it does the same thing. Do what I do: 1) Locate a loosely dangling or unused audio cable (Headphone or mic cable would do). 2) Hold down key in question. 3) Wedge in cable between the held-down key and its un-pressed neighbors. 4) Voila! Elson etrinida@scf.usc.edu From vader.egr.uri.edu!kennedyj Thu Oct 21 06:33:20 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.128.50.80 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 21 Oct 93 06:32 PDT Received: by vader.egr.uri.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12745; Thu, 21 Oct 1993 09:32:24 -0400 Received: by guardian.egr.uri.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA25245; Thu, 21 Oct 93 09:32:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 09:32:21 -0400 From: kennedyj@vader.egr.uri.edu (John Kennedy) Message-Id: <9310211332.AA25245@guardian.egr.uri.edu> To: eps@reed.edu, flashner@math.tau.ac.il Subject: Re: Ever lasting WS with one press... One way I can think of is to use the effects to repeat the sample playback. I've used the effect Dual Delay with algorithm Infinite Loop to have the sample play forever. I suppose with a bit of hacking of the delay times, along with the sample duration you might get a satisfying result. Good Luck. Later J. From minna.acc.iit.edu!CMSABEL Thu Oct 21 10:08:07 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.41.245.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 21 Oct 93 10:07 PDT Received: from minna.acc.iit.edu by minna.acc.iit.edu (PMDF V4.2-12 #3556) id <01H4DGQ6LNA88ZHZ28@minna.acc.iit.edu>; Thu, 21 Oct 1993 12:06:55 CDT Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 12:06:55 -0500 (CDT) From: CMSABEL@minna.acc.iit.edu Subject: Mac software for file exchange To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01H4DGQ6NISY8ZHZ28@minna.acc.iit.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, I wrote a short while ago to ask about Atari software for file exchange. I have the disk-wizard now and am about to try it with my ASR-10. I am thinking about switching to a Mac, and wonder if there is Mac software available FTP that will work for file exchange. Thanks. Marc From Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE!fischers Fri Oct 22 07:44:28 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 137.226.112.172 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 93 07:42 PDT Received: from minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-2) id AA17791; Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:42:24 +0100 Received: by minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (1.37.109.4/POOL.1) id AA01798; Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:41:55 +0100 From: fischers@Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Message-Id: <9310221441.AA01798@minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: unsubscribe To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:41:53 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 53 unsubscribe fischers@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de From Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE!fischers Fri Oct 22 07:51:00 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 137.226.112.172 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 93 07:50 PDT Received: from minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-2) id AA17888; Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:50:04 +0100 Received: by minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (1.37.109.4/POOL.1) id AA01827; Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:49:37 +0100 From: fischers@Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Message-Id: <9310221449.AA01827@minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: unsubscribe To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:49:36 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 13 unsubscribe From Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE!fischers Fri Oct 22 07:54:45 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 137.226.112.172 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 93 07:54 PDT Received: from minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-2) id AA17961; Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:53:45 +0100 Received: by minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (1.37.109.4/POOL.1) id AA01855; Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:53:18 +0100 From: fischers@Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Message-Id: <9310221453.AA01855@minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: help To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:53:17 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 24 help about unsubscribe From Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE!fischers Fri Oct 22 07:57:52 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 137.226.112.172 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 93 07:57 PDT Received: from minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-2) id AA18017; Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:57:08 +0100 Received: by minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (1.37.109.4/POOL.1) id AA01871; Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:56:41 +0100 From: fischers@Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Message-Id: <9310221456.AA01871@minipicc.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: remove To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:56:41 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 17 remove from list From undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca!rjfennem Fri Oct 22 13:56:02 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.95.20.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 93 13:55 PDT Received: by ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 93 12:32 PDT Received: from undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca by undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <43241-3>; Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:28:52 -0400 Received: from descartes.uwaterloo.ca by undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca id <43277-1>; Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:27:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:24:02 -0400 From: "Ryan J. Fennema" Subject: Hard Drive ?? To: "EPS (R. Fennema)" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anybody know if an IBM SCSI hard drive from a PS/2 will work with an EPS-16+? Thanks, ---=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= __ ___ /__) /__/ /__/ /\ / Ryan J. Fennema rjfennem@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca / \ __/ / / / \/ University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada From SDSC.EDU!pauls Fri Oct 22 16:12:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.17.46.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:11 PDT Received: from beast.sdsc.edu by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.8) id AA15533; Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:12:34 PDT Received: by beast.sdsc.edu (920330.SGI/1.7-client) id AA24876; Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:11:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bishop Skibitzke Subject: Wanted: Syquest Removable Disk Drive. To: mailinglist EPS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My friend wants to get his hands on one, and I was wondering if any of you out there previously interested in selling me one still have 'em. Actually, I'd appreciate anyone with any kind of hard disk mailing back. Thanx +******************************************************************************+ = Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) = = San Diego Supercomputer Center = = Sonification Project = = pauls@sdsc.edu = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= = "Helping you to help me, to help myself." = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= From SDSC.EDU!pauls Fri Oct 22 16:33:31 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.17.46.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:33 PDT Received: from cruella.sdsc.edu by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.8) id AA15977; Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:33:55 PDT Received: by cruella.sdsc.edu (920330.SGI/1.7-client) id AA28295; Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:33:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:31:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bishop Skibitzke Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My friend wants to get his hands on some kind of syquest removable hard disk, and I was wondering if any of you out there previously interested in selling me one still have 'em. Actually, I'd appreciate anyone with any kind of hard disk mailing back. Thanx +******************************************************************************+ = Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) = = San Diego Supercomputer Center = = Sonification Project = = pauls@sdsc.edu = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= = "Helping you to help me, to help myself." = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= From SDSC.EDU!pauls Sat Oct 23 11:36:00 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.17.46.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 23 Oct 93 11:35 PDT Received: from bambam.sdsc.edu by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.8) id AA21402; Sat, 23 Oct 93 11:36:18 PDT Received: by bambam.sdsc.edu (920330.SGI/1.7-client) id AA04187; Sat, 23 Oct 93 11:35:32 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 11:33:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bishop Skibitzke Subject: Disk wanted... To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My friend wants to get his hands on some kind of syquest removable hard disk, and I was wondering if any of you out there previously interested in selling me one still have 'em. Actually, I'd appreciate anyone with any kind of hard disk mailing back. Thanx +******************************************************************************+ = Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) = = San Diego Supercomputer Center = = Sonification Project = = pauls@sdsc.edu = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= = "Helping you to help me, to help myself." = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Sat Oct 23 14:36:35 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 23 Oct 93 14:35 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <17322-0@pat.uio.no>; Sat, 23 Oct 1993 22:35:09 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Sat, 23 Oct 1993 22:35:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 22:35:05 +0100 Message-Id: <9310232135.AAfidibus05918@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad X-Sender: tgf@fidibus Subject: big band eps-instruments Dear boys and girls in eps-land.. Anyone know aboat expressive big band instruments for the EPS? Or any other sampler for that matter? ( actually, I doubt any truly expressive acoustically immitative solo instruments has been developed for samplers- please prove me wrong) Let me explain what I (think I ) want. What is an expressive instrument, (in this context). One eps-instrument or group of eps-instruments that can be used for playing lines with a large range of articulations in the same phrase. The most important are different tonging and easy variations of volume and timbre after the note is struck. It should also be possible to play a phrase after rather little practice. ( The many fine instrumentalists on the list might see this as unreasonable ? ) What am I looking for Solo Trumpets, Solo Saxes, Solo Trombones. I'll make sections by playing each instrument separately ino a sequencer. No need for reproducing more than one instrumental part at a time, in case several eps-instruments are needed to make one solo-instrument. The style of articulations would be mainstream jazz I guess. What am I not looking for I'm not looking for sections or mixes. I have the CD ROMS CDR-1 and CDR-2 which contain Ensoniqs' library sounds. These consist more of sounds than playable instruments when it comes to the big band sounds, even if they are good samples and one can make valid music from them. ( In other respects a CDROM for the EPS is great fun-higly recomended) I also belive that the work involved in building these instruments myself from samples takes more time than I am willing to spend. Several of the common expressions I also don't know how to achieve in a playable way. Especially some of the ways of going from one pitch to the next by valve- by valve plus tonging-by a shake and so on. I'm more interested in an instrument with most variations within one style than a collection of special gimmics used in different styles. Money I'm not asking for free sounds. I think $500-$1000 is reasonable for a half decent trombone instrument. So if you know aboat any, I just want the adress to write to. Why do I want this I'm not desperate, it's just for fun. I have to write two big band arrangements. Some phrases may be tried out in a sequencer. I don't use big band samples for that, but it could be fun to record the whole arrangment whith sampled instruments. But just for amusement. ( I know that much detail do disappear when sections play together, so the "requirements" are easier than a solo performance, but big band arrangments played on a sound Canvas box sound fairly sad in my ears ) In case it is possible to babble still more :) Generally if one want the real thing, one should get that, and in this case the arrangments will be played by a big band. In other type of music where I use a sampler I _try to go for expressiveness on a different level than where accoustic instruments operate Oh well. really regards, Terje From IRO.UMontreal.CA!paul%taarna.UUCP Mon Oct 25 07:19:55 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.204.32.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 25 Oct 93 07:19 PDT Received: from taarna.UUCP by iros1.IRO.UMontreal.CA (4.1-SMI/MX) with UUCP id AA16936; Mon, 25 Oct 93 10:19:40 EDT From: paul%taarna.UUCP@iro.umontreal.ca Received: from tex.taarna.qc.ca by taarna via SMTP (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for iros1!reed.edu!eps id AA00669; Mon, 25 Oct 93 10:23:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9310251423.AA00669@taarna> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 10:23:01 -0400 To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Transferring samples to my Mac via MIDI Hello everybody... I have an EPS16+ rack mounted. Last weekend, I tried dumping some samples via MIDI (no SCSI option) into a friend's PC using SampleVision. This had worked a couple of weeks before. The EPS would not respond. All cables checked out and the hardware seemed OK (the module would play notes, play sequences into Cakewalk, etc). I seem to remember that the first request for a dump usually prompted the 'Insert OS disk' message, which did not happen this time around. I also tried with my own Mac using both Alchemy and Sound Designer II. No luck. Alchemy did trigger the 'Insert OS disk' message, but still would not load the sample. I am running OS version 1.10. I got 1.30 off the site yesterday and will try it some time this week, but I'd appreciate some pointers (and yes, I did go in the Edit-System-MIDI pages to turn the Sys-Ex messages on...). My last resort would be to feed the output of Alchemy or SDII into a midiscope type of thing and look at what is actually being sent. I do have the EPS sys-ex spec, so I could check that out. Halp 8(. Paul From vader.egr.uri.edu!kennedyj Mon Oct 25 11:53:49 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.128.50.80 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 25 Oct 93 11:53 PDT Received: by vader.egr.uri.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02045; Mon, 25 Oct 1993 14:53:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 14:53:08 -0400 From: kennedyj@vader.egr.uri.edu (John Kennedy) Message-Id: <9310251853.AA02045@vader.egr.uri.edu> To: eps@reed.edu, t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no Subject: Re: big band eps-instruments The article by Terje speaks very well of the benefits and limitations in useing sampled sounds for expression. Through my EPS I have at my disposal a sound palette which has served to expand my appreciation of tones, and timbres. I only have a CDR-1 disk and feel I've only scratched the surface of what is possible as far as performance goes. The synthetic , percussive, and to some extent the string sounds are quickly rewarding to me because I cannot readily produce them myself. This is what makes them fun to me. However, I also see the Horn ( Reed) sounds as rather dull and unexciting. I could take five minutes of banging around with my alto sax and get what I'd feel is better results. The question remains as to whether anyone else would feel the same. Perhaps a Tenor sax would be better than an alto. If so, whos style of sound should I work upon, Dexter Gordon or Kenny G ? The only real answer to this is based upon our perception of what is great and what sucks, how much we've been exposed to either of these extremes, and as Terje stated, whether we have the time to hack around for a sweet answer to this problem. I've hope this electronic medium we are all using could help in the development of this goal. Does anyone have a suggestion as to commonality in our mailing list ? Perhaps we'd have a week(month) of hacking sax sounds, another to guitars, another for ideas of what to hack upon. What do you think ? Later J. From sannsm.sandiegoca.NCR.COM!borisb Mon Oct 25 13:30:16 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.24 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 25 Oct 93 13:29 PDT Received: from 192.127.251.3 by vishnu.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 25 Oct 93 13:30 PDT Received: from ncrcom by ncrhub1.NCR.COM id ay25000; 25 Oct 93 16:29 EDT Received: from ncr-sd by ncrcom.DaytonOH.NCR.COM id aa16086; 25 Oct 93 16:25 EDT Received: by ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM; 25 Oct 93 13:25:23 PDT Received: by lcpd-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM; 25 Oct 93 13:38:23 PDT Received: by sansmtpgw.sandiegoca.ncr.com with Microsoft Mail id <2CCC3684@sansmtpgw.sandiegoca.ncr.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 93 13:26:44 PDT From: "Burtin, Boris" To: 'EPS mailing list' Subject: Re: big band eps-instruments Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 13:24:00 PDT Message-ID: <2CCC3684@sansmtpgw.sandiegoca.ncr.com> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I think that the answer to the "can my sax sample sound like John Coltrane" question is different for every person. In my opinion, yes, I could spend a month tweaking every fraction of my MIDI sax line to put "random" fluctuations in the tone. And if I put enough effort into it, it might even be indistinguishable from the original. But the point is that I wouldn't want to! I'd rather spend the time playing and composing, instead of programming. When I got my first synthesizer (the good old Ensoniq ESQ-1) I started playing around with the patches called "GUITAR" and "FUZGTR," running them through a distortion pedal, trying to tweak them so that they sounded like a real guitar. After weeks of doing this, I listened to the final product and said, "You know, that really doesn't sound convincing!" So I gave up and learned to play the guitar. The same thing happened when I got my EPS. The samples sounded much more convincing, but still not quite there. A sad imitation of the original. The point that I'm trying to get at is, if your EPS is going to be a musical instrument, rather than a computer or a DSP, use it for what it does best. This includes percussion, keyboard/synth, and (debatably) string sounds. The EPS is _not_ an efficient choice for recording-quality lead horn/brass sounds, guitar, vocals, and other instruments that have random fluctuations that define their tone. Boris P.S. Ya gotta wonder how much time the Ensoniq techs put into programming the acoustic guitar demo! ---------- From: kennedyj To: eps; t.g.finstad Subject: Re: big band eps-instruments Date: Monday, October 25, 1993 2:53PM The only real answer to this is based upon our perception of what is great and what sucks, how much we've been exposed to either of these extremes, and as Terje stated, whether we have the time to hack around for a sweet answer to this problem. I've hope this electronic medium we are all using could help in the development of this goal. Does anyone have a suggestion as to commonality in our mailing list ? Perhaps we'd have a week(month) of hacking sax sounds, another to guitars, another for ideas of what to hack upon. What do you think ? Later J. From uafhp.uark.edu!pstaffor Mon Oct 25 13:53:51 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.184.7.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 25 Oct 93 13:52 PDT Received: by uafhp.uark.edu (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA22818; Mon, 25 Oct 93 15:50:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 15:49:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Stafford Subject: Re: Transferring samples to my Mac via MIDI To: paul%taarna.UUCP@IRO.UMontreal.CA Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9310251423.AA00669@taarna> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII what version number of SamplVision do you have? From ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu!MOREYLC Tue Oct 26 00:55:20 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.59.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 26 Oct 93 00:54 PDT Received: from ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF #3899 ) id <01H4IWH79JV48X4NOP@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu>; Mon, 25 Oct 1993 09:33:18 CDT Date: 25 Oct 1993 09:33:17 -0500 (CDT) From: MOREYLC@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Subject: TS-10 ROM update To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01H4IWH79JV68X4NOP@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" X-VMS-Cc: MOREYLC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT just wanted to report that i had the latest ROM update installed on my TS-10 (version 1.20, i believe). It fixed a bug that was annoying, which was some EPS samples when loaded would tend to knock the oscillators out of kilter when the polyphony was taxed. Very weird problem. But the new ROM seems to have handled it nicely. Keep uploading those samples, folks! Seems like its been a while since anyone made a major upload. Let's see some signs of life out there. Les From ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com!TKUITTINEN Tue Oct 26 06:51:11 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.228.128.211 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 26 Oct 93 06:49 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 15:51:02 +0300 (EET) From: TKUITTINEN@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com (Timo Kuittinen p. +358 0 5104 4624) Message-Id: <931026155102.22200510@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com> Subject: Sound-hacking sessions on the list... To: eps@reed.edu X-Vmsmail-To: INET"eps@reed.edu" >> From: kennedyj@vader.egr.uri.edu (John Kennedy) >> Perhaps we'd have a week(month) of hacking sax sounds, another to guitars, >> another for ideas of what to hack upon. What do you think ? This sounds like great idea. How about say, having a contest of producing the best sound from a raw sample of an instrument? The raw material would be put to the archive for everyone to copy and work on. Then the contestants would put the resulting sounds back to the archive for everyone to judge and comment on. And, if possible we could share some tips on just how a certain sound/effect/performance control was produced. The copyright things might prevent us from using ready-made samples (or at least from copying them to the archive as raw samples), but I think we might still be able to use e.g. an istrument from the EPS sound library by stating which one to use and how to `spruce' it to get the raw starting sample. So that everybody could use their own `legal' copy of the original sound. Then the worked-on samples would be put back to the archive. Or would it still be too close to the original? Well, if that doesn't work, I'm sure we have enough of self-sampled material to work on. Anyway, even if this contest thing doesn't catch fire, I think it would be nice to have some list-lab-sessions on sound hacking. Cheers Timo ==== From mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU!conway Tue Oct 26 17:27:32 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.22 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 26 Oct 93 17:26 PDT Received: from mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50); id AA03836 Wed, 27 Oct 1993 10:26:05 +1000 (from conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU) Received: by mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (920110.SGI) id AA24312; Wed, 27 Oct 93 10:26:02 +1000 From: conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Thomas Charles CONWAY) Message-Id: <9310270026.24312@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Sample uploads To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 10:26:01 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi, I haven't posted or uploaded for a while, what with exams and assignments, but in a month or so I'll be getting a 105Mb Syqyest, and will be able to start _really_ getting into the collection of sample-CDs that I have, so over the [australian] summer, I hope to be uploading lots of stuff. Oh - and Paul: I'm sorry I haven't sent you those disks yet - I lost the bit of paper that I wrote your snail address on, and then came exams, etc (you know how it is ;-), so if you send it again, I can at least try again... Thomas From buro.kun.nl!E.Roos Wed Oct 27 03:48:22 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.174.82.164 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 27 Oct 93 03:47 PDT Received: from vines.urc.kun.nl by KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL (PMDF V4.2-12 #4476) id <01H4LTQE240W94FNZ1@KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL>; Wed, 27 Oct 1993 11:44:04 MET Received: by vines.urc.kun.nl with VINES ; Wed, 27 Oct 93 11:41:32 MET Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 11:33:02 +0100 (MET) From: E.Roos@buro.kun.nl Subject: TX-samples To: eps@reed.edu Cc: Bcc: Message-id: <01H4LTQE2WYQ94FNZ1@KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL> X-Envelope-to: eps@reed.edu Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi EPS-ers. As you might or might not know, there is an ftp-site where you can get TX16W-samples. You can find them on ftp-ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de:/pub/tx16W. I don't know if TX-samples can be used by the EPS. I "discovered" this ftp-site today. Maybe one needs a conversion program to read TX-samples into theEPS-format. Who is, like me, interested to bring the TX- and EPS-world together?I'm no computer-programmer, so... Who wants to take the challenge? Eric From ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com!TKUITTINEN Wed Oct 27 05:32:01 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.228.128.211 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 27 Oct 93 05:30 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 14:31:53 +0300 (EET) From: TKUITTINEN@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com (Timo Kuittinen p. +358 0 5104 4624) Message-Id: <931027143153.22201469@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com> Subject: Re: TX-samples To: eps@reed.edu X-Vmsmail-To: INET"eps@reed.edu" >> As you might or might not know, there is an ftp-site where you can get >> TX16W-samples. You can find them on >> ftp-ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de:/pub/tx16W. >> I don't know if TX-samples can be used by the EPS. I "discovered" this >> ftp-site today. Maybe one needs a conversion program to read TX-samples >> into theEPS-format. Who is, like me, interested to bring the TX- and EPS- >> world together?I'm no computer-programmer, so... Who wants to take the >> challenge? SampleVision supports TX16W, also. But if I remember correctly, it only reads and writes its own format files (and maybe MSSD or whatever the Sample Dump Standard was). So would there be someone that has access or even owns both the TX16W and SampleVision? That person could then convert the samples to SampleVision format. And the rest of us (SV users) could start working on those samples to make them suitable to EPS. t. Timo ======= From buro.kun.nl!E.Roos Wed Oct 27 08:35:31 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.174.82.164 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 27 Oct 93 08:34 PDT Received: from vines.urc.kun.nl by KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL (PMDF V4.2-12 #4476) id <01H4M3U5MSWG94EVCR@KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL>; Wed, 27 Oct 1993 16:33:24 MET Received: by vines.urc.kun.nl with VINES ; Wed, 27 Oct 93 16:31:06 MET Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 16:22:04 +0100 (MET) From: E.Roos@buro.kun.nl Subject: TX-samples To: eps@reed.edu Cc: Bcc: Message-id: <01H4M3U5NC7694EVCR@KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL> X-Envelope-to: eps@reed.edu Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi eps-ers. I don't know if my last message came trough to you, so I'll try it again. Today I found out that there is a very interesting ftp-site *loaded* with samples for the Yamaha TX16W. They are on: ftp-ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de: /pub/tx16w. As I understood from the guy who runs this site, the TX-samples and the EPS-samples are not convertible. So someone has to write a conversion-program. Who wants to take this challenge? Who can bring the EPS-world and TX-world together? It seems a great idea to me. Eric From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Wed Oct 27 11:49:40 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 27 Oct 93 11:47 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <14303-0@pat.uio.no>; Wed, 27 Oct 1993 19:47:28 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Wed, 27 Oct 1993 19:47:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 19:47:25 +0100 Message-Id: <9310271847.AAfidibus14822@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no (Terje Finstad) X-Sender: tgf@fidibus.uio.no Subject: Re: TX-samples E.Roos writes: >....there is an ftp-site where you can get TX16W-samples. > You can find them on ftp-ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de:/pub/tx16W. Then Eric _essentially asks the following: > .....TX-samples can be used by the EPS? no/not really/not in the form found at that ftp-site/... > ....Maybe one needs a conversion program.. yes > ....I'm no computer-programmer, so... Who wants to take the challenge? > Only with adress to lovely people with lowly computers: psst.. If you want to load these samples by an EPS floppy then.. What is wrong with the program combination: sox + AIFF2EFE + EPSDisk ? ( at uni-dortmund there was a sox version handling TX16W files ) What are batch files for? JFYI: EPSm has always imported yamaha-TX16W samples. ( probably uninteresting to ibm-eps guys and gals.) //////// / /////////// / / instad / / erje -------------- From ERE.UMontreal.CA!dionf Wed Oct 27 17:37:11 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.204.2.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 27 Oct 93 17:35 PDT Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA26741 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Wed, 27 Oct 1993 20:34:01 -0400 Received: from brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA20195; Wed, 27 Oct 93 20:33:59 -0400 Received: by brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA25901; Wed, 27 Oct 93 20:33:59 -0400 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Message-Id: <9310280033.AA25901@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Output expanders To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 20:33:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 483 Anybody knows how the output expanders work? How is the multiplexing done? how badly does it affect the sound quality? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From math.tau.ac.il!flashner Thu Oct 28 04:16:58 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.66.40.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 04:15 PDT Return-Path: Received: from libra-mb.math.tau.ac.il by math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.tau-930921) id AA17106; Thu, 28 Oct 93 13:16:00 +0200 Received: by libra.math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.sub-st921020) id AA12105; Thu, 28 Oct 93 13:15:58 +0200 From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il Message-Id: <9310281115.AA12105@libra.math.tau.ac.il> Subject: NEW SAMPLES!!! To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 13:15:56 +0200 (GMT+0200) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 731 Hello all, I just bought an ASR-10 and joined this EPS mail group. now, I'd like to know what if and what are the sample formats. The word 'sox' comes out a lot when talking about sample formats conversion. What is sox, what are the conversions possible, and can I use any sample from "any" sampler by converting them with sox ( or something..., I really don't know.) Help will be greatly appreciated. Amit. -- ================================================================================ Amit Flashner (c) 1993 +________________________________________________________________________________ | Pure Quality. Nothing More. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu!cmparris Thu Oct 28 08:26:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.15.20.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 08:24 PDT Received: by essex.ecn.uoknor.edu id AA01707 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Thu, 28 Oct 1993 10:24:13 -0500 From: Chris Michael Parrish Message-Id: <199310281524.AA01707@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu> Subject: Outputs and SCSI.... To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 10:24:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 452 I am in deparate need of a 8x's output expander for the Classic EPS....and I also wouldn't mind being hooked up with a 4x's expander with SCSI.....anybody have any for sale, or a place to look? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Chris Parrish | University of Oklahoma | "To share is to split..." cmparris@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu | - KMFDM From SDSC.EDU!pauls Thu Oct 28 11:22:00 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.17.46.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:20 PDT Received: from cruella.sdsc.edu by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.8) id AA28219; Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:21:25 PDT Received: by cruella.sdsc.edu (920330.SGI/1.7-client) id AA15401; Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:20:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 11:14:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bishop Skibitzke Subject: Using a PC disk to store EPS samples????? To: mailinglist EPS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, I just noticed something potentially interesting... My roommate has this old 286 that we just use as a dumb terminal for logging into our school. I recently noticed that when it boots up and is going through diagnostics and loading stuff, it prints the message: SCSI drive found. If this drive on this machine is, in fact, a SCSI hard drive, what are my chances of being able to hook it up to my EPS16+ instead? Given that you have the SCSI interface for the EPS, can any SCSI drive be used, internal, external or otherwise? Gimme some ideas! I'd be incredibly happy if this works. +******************************************************************************+ = Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) = = San Diego Supercomputer Center = = Sonification Project = = pauls@sdsc.edu = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= = "Helping you to help me, to help myself." = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= From email.mot.com!John_Lambrou-CJL008 Thu Oct 28 14:02:44 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 14:01 PDT Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA26356; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:01:24 -0500 Received: from maccvm.corp.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA02614; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:01:20 -0500 Received: from ilbe.mot.com by MACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 28 Oct 93 15:59:19 CDT Received: by ilbe.mot.com (5.65/1.6) id AA13111; Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:00:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:00:10 -0500 From: John_Lambrou-CJL008@email.mot.com To: eps@reed.edu (Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: TX-samples for the Mac users.... Message-Id: Just a note on the TX samples from a Mac user standpoint: Along with the TX16W samples at the German ftp site there's a binhex'd program called 'SndCnv' (in a 'util/mac' folder) which can read the TX samples and save them as 8bit aiff; then any program that can read aiff files and send them to the EPS (like Alchemy) should complete the journey - making the library completely EPSable. jl From email.mot.com!John_Lambrou-CJL008 Thu Oct 28 14:06:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 14:04 PDT Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA26656; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:04:23 -0500 Received: from maccvm.corp.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA03113; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:04:22 -0500 Received: from ilbe.mot.com by MACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:02:22 CDT Received: by ilbe.mot.com (5.65/1.6) id AA13553; Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:03:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:03:13 -0500 From: John_Lambrou-CJL008@email.mot.com To: eps@reed.edu (Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: P.S. on the TX samples. . . Message-Id: Sorry Terje, for forgetting this alternate method - EPSm is also designed to take the AIFF file and put it on a EPS disk, eliminating the intermediate step of transmitting the sample to the EPS via MIDI or SCSI and saving it to disk there. . . . . jl From email.mot.com!John_Lambrou-CJL008 Thu Oct 28 14:14:12 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 14:12 PDT Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA27387; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:12:54 -0500 Received: from maccvm.corp.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA04372; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:12:53 -0500 Received: from ilbe.mot.com by MACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:10:52 CDT Received: by ilbe.mot.com (5.65/1.6) id AA14153; Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:11:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:11:44 -0500 From: John_Lambrou-CJL008@email.mot.com To: eps@reed.edu (Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: P.S. to the P.S. on TX samples Message-Id: Sorry again, Terje, I forgot EPSm can take the TX16W sample directly and put it on an EPS disk - I haven't tried this yet so it didn't come to mind. . . . jl From nwnexus.wa.com!chernobog!max Thu Oct 28 18:47:13 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.135.191.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 18:46 PDT Received: by nwnexus.wa.com id AA00165 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for reed.edu!eps); Thu, 28 Oct 1993 18:45:59 -0700 Received: by chernobog (NX5.67d/NeXT-2.0) id AA10667; Thu, 28 Oct 93 18:14:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 18:14:48 -0700 From: chernobog!max@nwnexus.wa.com (David Fedchenko) Message-Id: <9310290114.AA10667@ chernobog > Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.95) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.95) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Direct Macros Reply-To: chernobog!max@nwnexus.wa.com OK, so I just picked up CDR-2 for my ASR and I have found, much to my delight, the Direct Macro system they have working. And it even works when the drive isn't the current one. But how do I invoke them over MIDI? It would be a great thing if I could just send these numbers down the wire. If I can't then the question becomes "How do I change Storage Device over MIDI?" since I now have several sources of sounds. It will be disappointing if I have to copy the sounds from the CD to the HD to access them. thanks, david... From uahis1.uah.edu!claassen%ebs330 Thu Oct 28 19:48:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.84.181.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 19:46 PDT Received: from uahis1.uah.edu by theory.TC.Cornell.EDU with SMTP id AA06259 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 28 Oct 1993 22:46:52 -0400 Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 21:46:30 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11429; Thu, 28 Oct 93 21:38:51 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9310290238.AA11429@ebs330> Subject: Controlling Envelopes 1 and 2 To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 21:38:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1223 So far i've only used the third evelope (i guess, the decay time & velocity) and have not been able to muck about with the other two. I've had some instruments that did some funky things and i cannot figure out how to do any of them. So here is a series of questions 1. can i control the filters with the mod wheel, or maybe even aftertouch? (this would make a great VCF effect) 2. how do i assign functions to aftertouch anyhow? Can it do pitch-bend? 3. can i fade between layers using the mod wheel? 4. is there a way to have the pitch decay with the amplitude (or just like the amplitude) i.e. can i make a contiuously rising or falling note? 5. can i modulate pitch with an envelope? I've tried using the manuals, but they are less clear on these matters than they are on most other things... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU!Todd_Kaufmann Thu Oct 28 20:36:38 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.2.110.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 93 20:35 PDT Received: from FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU by FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU id aa06932; 28 Oct 93 23:35:02 EDT To: EPS List Reply-to: toad@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Controlling Envelopes 1 and 2 In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 28 Oct 93 21:38:50 -0600. <9310290238.AA11429@ebs330> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 23:35:00 -0400 Message-ID: <6930.751865700@FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU> From: Todd_Kaufmann@FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU If you're talking about the ASR-10, check out the 'instrument applications' or whatever chapter near the end of the book. it shows how to do layer fades (similar to #3). Haven't seen the EPS manual. What are the envelopes again: FILTER / PITCH / AMP ? (following are ASR answers:) > 1. can i control the filters with the mod wheel, or maybe even aftertouch? > (this would make a great VCF effect) F1 and F2 can be modulated by anything (EDIT FILTER); eg, pressure can be used to add buzzing if it modulates F2. > 2. how do i assign functions to aftertouch anyhow? Can it do pitch-bend? EDIT PITCH, i think default is usually ENV2 * 00; you want to get a non-zero value, or else your only modulating by 0%. Of course, you can use things besides ENV2. > 3. can i fade between layers using the mod wheel? See the book. > 4. is there a way to have the pitch decay with the amplitude (or just like the > amplitude) i.e. can i make a contiuously rising or falling note? > 5. can i modulate pitch with an envelope? same answer for both: That's what ENV2 is for; set the multiplier to non-zero. LFO can also be used nicely. My favorite is using the pedal (CVP-1) on sample parameters. Everyone should have a pedal. Sorry, that's the best I can do from memory. -todd From acs.wooster.edu!WSCOTT Fri Oct 29 11:24:22 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 140.103.29.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 29 Oct 93 11:24 PDT Received: from acs.wooster.edu by acs.wooster.edu (PMDF V4.2-14 #4277) id <01H4ORDMXVAY8WYDV9@acs.wooster.edu>; Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:24:25 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:24:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WSCOTT@acs.wooster.edu Subject: mega piano available To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01H4ORDMXVB08WYDV9@acs.wooster.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I've made a very good ASR-10 piano from the McGill sample series. It consists of multi-samples for (approximately) every other key sampled to absolute full decay (no loops) in a soft attack plus an equal number of samples for another layer in a mezzo attack (not decayed as far). Each layer is about 8 meg so the whole instrument takes 16 meg (actually less, but you'll need to have 16 meg installed). I actually use it in two 8 meg machines. It's very nice, but I don't have the facilities to send it to FTP. If anyone wants one or both, I'd be glad to put it on your *formatted* floppies or syquest disk sent to me with a self addressed stamped envelope. You'll need 7 HD floppies per layer/instrument. Bill Scott Psychology Department College of Wooster Wooster, OH 44691 From uahis1.uah.edu!claassen%ebs330 Fri Oct 29 13:55:49 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.84.181.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 29 Oct 93 13:55 PDT Received: from uahis1.uah.edu by theory.TC.Cornell.EDU with SMTP id AA04652 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 29 Oct 1993 16:55:26 -0400 Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Fri, 29 Oct 93 15:53:52 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04514; Fri, 29 Oct 93 15:46:15 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9310292046.AA04514@ebs330> Subject: Is this list dead or my reception blind? To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 15:46:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 700 For several months now, i have not gotten any real mail from the eps list. When i post to it, i don't see my post, although i do get responses most of the time, mostly private email, tho. So is there just really low traffic on the list or am i just not receiving anything from it? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From SDSC.EDU!pauls Fri Oct 29 14:48:32 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.17.46.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 29 Oct 93 14:48 PDT Received: from cruella.sdsc.edu by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.8) id AA15692; Fri, 29 Oct 93 14:48:56 PDT Received: by cruella.sdsc.edu (920330.SGI/1.7-client) id AA20549; Fri, 29 Oct 93 14:48:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bishop Skibitzke Subject: Re: Is this list dead or my reception blind? To: mailinglist EPS In-Reply-To: <9310292046.AA04514@ebs330> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 29 Oct 1993, Arne Claassen wrote: > For several months now, i have not gotten any real mail from the eps > list. When i post to it, i don't see my post, although i do get > responses most of the time, mostly private email, tho. > > So is there just really low traffic on the list or am i just not > receiving anything from it? > For the last couple of days, my mail from EPS has been a pretty constant flow. But before that I was having some serious problems with getting and sending to EPS. It might be a good idea for the person in charge of maintaining the mailing list to give a report on the stuff thats going on. Seeing multiple copies of other peoples mail, not getting any mail, and getting returned mail to EPS makes me think that things are in "a state of repair"? Someone please fill us in. +******************************************************************************+ = Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) = = San Diego Supercomputer Center = = Sonification Project = = pauls@sdsc.edu = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= = "Helping you to help me, to help myself." = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= From hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu!cmparris Sat Oct 30 09:49:58 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.15.20.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 30 Oct 93 09:48 PDT Received: by essex.ecn.uoknor.edu id AA23322 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Sat, 30 Oct 1993 11:48:16 -0500 From: Chris Michael Parrish Message-Id: <199310301648.AA23322@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu> Subject: Problems.... To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 11:48:15 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 327 I haven't had any problems recieving or sending to the list lately... -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Chris Parrish | University of Oklahoma | "To share is to split..." cmparris@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu | - KMFDM From rcsuna.gmr.com!aschonek Sat Oct 30 09:57:46 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.124.128.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 30 Oct 93 09:55 PDT Received: by rcsuna.gmr.com (4.1/GMR-1.2) id AA26358; Sat, 30 Oct 93 12:55:42 EDT Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 12:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony Schonek Subject: Patches in sequences? To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I'm trying to create a simple sequence using the patch selects... Let's say I have an instrument in location 1. I lay down my first 4 bars with no patch selects... Then I lock in O* on instrument 1 and want to add an additional part over the first... It doesn't work! What I get is 1 note playing properly, then it reverts back to the patch select of the original 4 bars... So let's say I'm playing 1/8 notes with no patch selects (a bass type sound) then I want to come over the top of that with O* selected that will give me a completely different synth type sound and wish to play 1/2 notes... The result would be the 1/8 notes playing properly, one "synth" type sound for the first 1/2 note only, *then*, every other synth note after the first reverts back to a "bass" type sound. Does anyone know if I need to be doing anything differently? Is this something standard? Is it happening or not happening with other people? Thanks, Tony aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com From SDSC.EDU!pauls Sat Oct 30 14:33:41 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.17.46.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 30 Oct 93 14:33 PDT Received: from cruella.sdsc.edu by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.8) id AA23176; Sat, 30 Oct 93 14:34:17 PDT Received: by cruella.sdsc.edu (920330.SGI/1.7-client) id AA21730; Sat, 30 Oct 93 14:33:29 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bishop Skibitzke Subject: Further mailing list troubles... To: mailinglist EPS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now I am recieving every letter sent to EPS...TWICE in a row. I must be on that list SOMEWHERE other than where you added me. Could we figure tis out? Thanx. +******************************************************************************+ = Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) = = San Diego Supercomputer Center = = Sonification Project = = pauls@sdsc.edu = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= = "Helping you to help me, to help myself." = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= From math.tau.ac.il!flashner Sun Oct 31 03:10:04 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.66.40.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 31 Oct 93 03:09 PST Return-Path: Received: from libra-mb.math.tau.ac.il by math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.tau-930921) id AA07029; Sun, 31 Oct 93 13:09:24 +0200 Received: by libra.math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.sub-st921020) id AA11704; Sun, 31 Oct 93 13:09:23 +0200 From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il Message-Id: <9310311109.AA11704@libra.math.tau.ac.il> Subject: NEW SAMPLES!!! To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 13:09:22 +0200 (GMT+0200) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1446 Forwarded message: >From flashner@math.tau.ac.il Thu Oct 28 13:44:47 1993 From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il Message-Id: <9310281115.AA12105@libra.math.tau.ac.il> Subject: NEW SAMPLES!!! To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 13:15:56 +0200 (GMT+0200) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 731 Hello all, I just bought an ASR-10 and joined this EPS mail group. now, I'd like to know what if and what are the sample formats. The word 'sox' comes out a lot when talking about sample formats conversion. What is sox, what are the conversions possible, and can I use any sample from "any" sampler by converting them with sox ( or something..., I really don't know.) Help will be greatly appreciated. Amit. -- ================================================================================ Amit Flashner (c) 1993 +________________________________________________________________________________ | Pure Quality. Nothing More. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ================================================================================ Amit Flashner (c) 1993 +________________________________________________________________________________ | Pure Quality. Nothing More. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From uahis1.uah.edu!claassen%ebs330 Sun Oct 31 09:16:52 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.84.181.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 31 Oct 93 09:16 PST Received: from uahis1.uah.edu by theory.TC.Cornell.EDU with SMTP id AA11115 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 31 Oct 1993 12:16:39 -0500 Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Sun, 31 Oct 93 11:09:48 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15228; Sun, 31 Oct 93 11:00:55 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9310311700.AA15228@ebs330> Subject: Re: Output expanders To: dionf@ere.umontreal.ca (Francois Dion) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 11:00:55 -0600 (CST) Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9310280033.AA25901@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> from "Francois Dion" at Oct 27, 93 08:33:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 752 > Anybody knows how the output expanders work? How is the multiplexing done? > > how badly does it affect the sound quality? > > Ciao, > -- > Francois Dion I don't know how they work, but when i run the signals into the mixer, the signals from my output expander always have less background noise from the EPS than the stereo out. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From sdcc15.UCSD.EDU!mcarlsso Sun Oct 31 13:26:53 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.239.254.201 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 31 Oct 93 13:26 PST Received: from sdcc15.UCSD.EDU by ucsd.edu; id NAA21361 sendmail 8.6.3/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Sun, 31 Oct 1993 13:26:40 -0800 for Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA05224 to eps@reed.edu; Sun, 31 Oct 93 13:26:36 PST Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 13:26:36 PST From: mcarlsso@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (Marcel Carlsson) Message-Id: <9310312126.AA05224@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: ASR OS 1.61 bugs Noticed a few bugs in the operating system. Sample rate conversion sometimes just converts on channel in a stereo sample which screws up everything and you have to resample if can't undo it. Sometimes when you delete instruments, they can still be heard faintly in the background(weird...) when playing other stuff. Seems like sometimes samples don't get truncated properly, there is still stuff in RAM which should have been thrown out. Hope OS 2.0 will eliminate these annoying things. Also why can't the ASR do a simple SDS dump/receive???? Lame. mc From sannsm.sandiegoca.NCR.COM!borisb Mon Nov 1 15:56:12 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.24 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:55 PST Received: from 192.127.251.3 by vishnu.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:56 PST Received: from ncrcom by ncrhub1.NCR.COM id bo25574; 1 Nov 93 17:32 EST Received: from ncr-sd by ncrcom.DaytonOH.NCR.COM id aa12898; 1 Nov 93 15:59 EST Received: by ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM; 1 Nov 93 12:55:59 PST Received: by lcpd-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM; 1 Nov 93 13:10:57 PST Received: by sansmtpgw.sandiegoca.ncr.com with Microsoft Mail id <2CD57867@sansmtpgw.sandiegoca.ncr.com>; Mon, 01 Nov 93 12:58:15 PST From: "Burtin, Boris" To: 'EPS mailing list' Subject: TX-16W samples Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 12:57:00 PST Message-ID: <2CD57867@sansmtpgw.sandiegoca.ncr.com> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 There has been a bit of talk about converting the TX-16W samples from the ftp-ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ftp archive to EPS format. Has anyone actually done it successfully? Someone mentioned that their sox reads TX sample files, but I couldn't get it to recognize the TX file type. /------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Boris Burtin | Client-Server Techology | | boris.burtin@sandiegoca.ncr.com | NCR Large Computer Products Division | \------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Tue Nov 2 01:05:10 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 93 01:04 PST Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <10105-0@pat.uio.no>; Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:03:33 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:03:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:03:28 +0100 Message-Id: <9311020903.AAfidibus09274@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no (Terje Finstad) X-Sender: tgf@fidibus.uio.no Subject: Re: TX-16W samples Cc: "Burtin, Boris" Some of you may recieve this mssg 4 days after its written Some of you may even recieve it twice Some not at all. A few have asked aboat this privately, probably since I suggested using sox-aif2efe-epsdisk for the conversion for IBM-PC computers. So maybe I should answer back to the list in case .. Boris wrote >There has been a bit of talk about converting the TX-16W samples from the >ftp-ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ftp archive to EPS format. Please note there is an American mirror site at ftp.aii.com:/pub/midi/tx16w That site will not be maintained in the _future , but try it for now. >Has anyone >actually done it successfully? Someone mentioned that their sox reads TX >sample files, but I couldn't get it to recognize the TX file type. > OK here is my suggestions for how-to ( strictly for lovely peolple with lowly computers): 1. Turn on your lowly computer.:=) 2. Download "sox.exe" from uni-dortmund or the mirror. Other sox versions floating around may not support the yamaha format. 3. Download a zip archive of wave samples and unzip it. Files with extensions ".Wnn" where nn is a number are waves/samples Ignore all other files (they are setups ) Assume the file "BATS.W01" exist, for the remainder of instructions 4. Type sox -t txw BATS.W01 -t aif BATS.AIF aif2efe BATS.AIF BATS.EFE 5. Transfer FROGS.EFE to an EPS floppy with EPSDISK.EXE == You could make a batch file (.BAT) of the above steps, possibly incorporating other steps. ============ Since I don't have an IBM I have only tested point 2 to 4, and with a PC emulator. =============== Talking aboat bats, here is a bat sample _..-'( )`-.._ ./'. '||\\. (\_/) .//||` .`\. ./'.|'.'||||\\|.. )O O( ..|//||||`.`|.`\. ./'..|'.|| |||||\`````` '`"'` ''''''/||||| ||.`|..`\. ./'.||'.|||| ||||||||||||. .|||||||||||| |||||.`||.`\. /'|||'.|||||| ||||||||||||{ }|||||||||||| ||||||.`|||`\ '.|||'.||||||| ||||||||||||{ }|||||||||||| |||||||.`|||.` '.||| ||||||||| |/' ``\||`` ''||/'' `\| ||||||||| |||.` |/' \./' `\./ \!|\ /|!/ \./' `\./ `\| V V V }' `\ /' `{ V V V ` ` ` V ' ' ' Try saving just the bat to a file and make a BAT instrument with sox - aif2efe -epsdisk, Use a "raw' format as your input file format to sox. Terje From math.tau.ac.il!flashner Tue Nov 2 03:59:03 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.66.40.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 93 03:58 PST Return-Path: Received: from libra-mb.math.tau.ac.il by math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.tau-930921) id AA00113; Tue, 2 Nov 93 13:59:10 +0200 Received: by libra.math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.sub-st921020) id AA09533; Tue, 2 Nov 93 13:59:08 +0200 From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il Message-Id: <9311021159.AA09533@libra.math.tau.ac.il> Subject: playing seq while loading on asr To: eps@reed.edu Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:59:08 +0200 (GMT+0200) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1153 Hello fellows I just found a trick to play the sequencer while loading from disk. The way to do that is by taking advantage of a small bug in the ASR/(EPS?) OS which the people at Ensoniq (and sons...) didn't think of. Well, the trick is as follows: Make sure you don't have enough memory for the instrument you want to load. command your asr to load an instrument. now, when you see on the display the message "select inst. to delete", start the sequencer. now, delete the desired instrument(s), and you have the sequencer playing while the disk is loading. I know this trick is too tricky and not always very convenient and useful, but anyway, I just wanted you to know. It would be nice if there is an email for Ensoniq, so that bug reports and other information could be done. well, is there any??? Cheers, Amit. -- ================================================================================ Amit Flashner (c) 1993 +________________________________________________________________________________ | Pure Quality. Nothing More. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From math.tau.ac.il!flashner Tue Nov 2 04:39:40 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.66.40.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 93 04:39 PST Return-Path: Received: from libra-mb.math.tau.ac.il by math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.tau-930921) id AA01019; Tue, 2 Nov 93 14:40:13 +0200 Received: by libra.math.tau.ac.il (5.67/math.sub-st921020) id AA11315; Tue, 2 Nov 93 14:40:12 +0200 From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il Message-Id: <9311021240.AA11315@libra.math.tau.ac.il> Subject: Changing efx with sys-x To: eps@reed.edu Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 14:40:12 +0200 (GMT+0200) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1040 Hello, Is it possible on the ASR (or EPS) to change the current effect in real time (using sys-xs or other midi commands)? It would be sometimes very useful to have a sequence change the current effect . for example,I want to have a sequence which has a B3 Hammond sound with the rot. speakers efct. then, after a while, I'd like the sequence to change the effect to some sensetive cho+dist+delay to use with the (incredibly real) asr lead guitar instrument to insert a wild guitar solo. so, is it possible, or the effect has to be selected manually ( to my deep dismay...). and, relaed to the same subject, is there an Ensoniq email in which I can request the ASR midi implementation? Cheers, mit. -- ================================================================================ Amit Flashner (c) 1993 +________________________________________________________________________________ | Pure Quality. Nothing More. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From acs.wooster.edu!WSCOTT Tue Nov 2 07:01:23 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 140.103.29.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 93 07:01 PST Received: from acs.wooster.edu by acs.wooster.edu (PMDF V4.2-14 #4277) id <01H4U3QWRVQ88WWL2X@acs.wooster.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:01:07 EST Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 10:01:07 -0500 (EST) From: WSCOTT@acs.wooster.edu Subject: mega piano available (repeat send) To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01H4U3QWSF0Y8WWL2X@acs.wooster.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I got a machine generated message with a gazillion undelivered addresses in it, so I'm posting this again. One person wrote to me about my message so I know it got through to some. Accept my apologies if you are reading this a second time. Repeat message follows: I've made a very good ASR-10 piano from the McGill sample series. It consists of multi-samples for (approximately) every other key sampled to absolute full decay (no loops) in a soft attack plus an equal number of samples for another layer in a mezzo attack (not decayed as far). Each layer is about 8 meg so the whole instrument takes 16 meg (actually less, but you'll need to have 16 meg installed). I actually use it in two 8 meg machines. It's very nice, but I don't have the facilities to send it to FTP. If anyone wants one or both, I'd be glad to put it on your *formatted* floppies or syquest disk sent to me with a self addressed stamped envelope. You'll need 7 HD floppies per layer/instrument. Bill Scott Psychology Department College of Wooster Wooster, OH 44691 From rcsuna.gmr.com!aschonek Tue Nov 2 17:25:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.124.128.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 93 17:24 PST Received: by rcsuna.gmr.com (4.1/GMR-1.2) id AA03045; Tue, 2 Nov 93 20:24:48 EST Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 20:21:21 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony Schonek Subject: Oh... I feel sick... :( To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Something serious is wrong with my eps 16+'s floppy drive... I can't format anything... I can successfully read and write to it, however, I can't format. The error that comes back is: "Disk Data Corrupted" Does anyone have a clue? I looked through my user manual and it made no mention of this error... I'm dreading some massive expenses here... Could it need some form of cleaning? Has this ever happend to anyone else? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. :-( _______________________________________________________________________ Tony Schonek Internet: aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com From rcsuna.gmr.com!aschonek Tue Nov 2 18:36:14 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.124.128.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 93 18:35 PST Received: by rcsuna.gmr.com (4.1/GMR-1.2) id AA09826; Tue, 2 Nov 93 21:35:38 EST Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 21:30:56 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony Schonek Subject: Re: Oh... I feel a little better... To: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I'm feeling a little better now... I am able to format some of my disks... about 5 out of 20.... The good thing is that the same disks that are coming up with the error on the eps 16+ are also crashing my mac... So there's something definitely wrong with the disks... (perhaps I had some gigantic magnetic field in my "studio" or something... very unlikely...) Hmmm.... Thanks for the replies so far though... I don't think it's my eps's drive anymore wich is a huge relief! _______________________________________________________________________ Tony Schonek Internet: aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Anthony Schonek wrote: > > Something serious is wrong with my eps 16+'s floppy drive... I can't > format anything... I can successfully read and write to it, however, > I can't format. The error that comes back is: "Disk Data Corrupted" > Does anyone have a clue? I looked through my user manual and it made > no mention of this error... I'm dreading some massive expenses here... > Could it need some form of cleaning? Has this ever happend to anyone > else? > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. :-( > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Tony Schonek > Internet: aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com > > From msc.edu!alan Tue Nov 2 18:38:20 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 137.66.12.254 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 93 18:38 PST Received: from af.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA20506; Tue, 2 Nov 93 20:37:47 -0600 Received: by af.msc.edu (5.57/MSC/v3.0(901107)) id AA03788; Tue, 2 Nov 93 20:37:46 -0600 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 20:37:46 -0600 From: alan@msc.edu Message-Id: <9311030237.AA03788@af.msc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu, flashner@math.tau.ac.il Subject: Re: Changing efx with sys-x >From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il >Message-Id: <9311021240.AA11315@libra.math.tau.ac.il> >Subject: Changing efx with sys-x >Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 14:40:12 +0200 (GMT+0200) > >Hello, > Is it possible on the ASR (or EPS) to change the current > effect in real time (using sys-xs or other midi commands)? A while ago I asked a similar question, because I wanted to keep banks on my PC and use a handy-dandy Windows librarian to select my pads and honkers. Alas, from SysEx you cannot load arbitrary instruments from the storage device, nor can you select effects. And, despite what the documentation says, the virtual button-press SysEx commands do _not_ work on non-edit pages. So it's pretty much impossible, at least with the current OS. -Eagerly awaiting ASR OS 2.0! -Alan p.s. Notice the TS-12 ad in Keyboard? It looks like a TS-10 with a KS-32 weighted action keyboard. Cool! From FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU!Todd_Kaufmann Tue Nov 2 19:21:46 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.2.110.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 93 19:21 PST Received: from FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU by FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU id aa24767; 2 Nov 93 22:20:41 EST To: Anthony Schonek Return-receipt-to: toad@cs.cmu.edu Reply-to: toad@cs.cmu.edu cc: eps@REED.EDU Subject: Re: Patches in sequences? In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 30 Oct 93 12:39:49 -0500. Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 22:20:39 EST Message-ID: <24764.752296839@FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU> From: Todd_Kaufmann@FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU > Hi! > > I'm trying to create a simple sequence using the patch selects... Let's > say I have an instrument in location 1. I lay down my first 4 bars > with no patch selects... Then I lock in O* on instrument 1 and want > to add an additional part over the first... It doesn't work! I don't think this can be done (but someone correct me..). Pressing down/releasing a patch button sends out a midi code, which gets put in the sequence. This happens once per press/release, the information doesn't exist for each note. It's the same as trying to put in multiple controller events on an instrument/sequence track. > Does anyone know if I need to be doing anything differently? Is this > something standard? Is it happening or not happening with other people? What you have to do is copy the instrument to another, lock the patch in on that instrument, and then record the new sequence on it. I suggest you lock in the patch during the beginning of the sequence, so that it is in the sequence. otherwise you have to have it put in some preset, or when you switch instruments you'll lose it (depending on patch select mode). confused me too for a bit. -todd From cadif.cornell.edu!rob Wed Nov 3 06:56:51 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.84.253.78 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Nov 93 06:56 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 06:56 PST Received: from [128.84.245.150] ([128.84.245.150]) by LARCH.CADIF.CORNELL.EDU (MX V3.1C) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1993 09:56:14 EST To: Anthony Schonek From: rob@cadif.cornell.edu (Rob Levine) Subject: Re: Oh... I feel sick... :( CC: eps@reed.edu You may want to try a few things before you get too sick. Please forgive if I state the obvious but when we get 'sick' we sometimes forget the obvious. 1) First be sure that the diskettes you are formatting are indeed double-sided double-density. 2) Are you trying the format with different diskettes to verify that this is a problem with 'any' dsdd-diskette? 3) Is it possible that your drive is just dirty? Have you tried any of the commercial disk drive head cleaners? I believe you can buy one of these diskettes that uses some kind of cloth that removes the dirt from your drive head. If that eliminates your problem be carefull not to use the cleaner too often as they are usually abrasive. 4) Are you formatting diskettes that were pre-formatted on some other medium like a PC/Macintosh, whatever? Although probably coincidence, I have found that from time to time I get the "Disk Data Corrupted" error when the a diskette was already preformatted on a different medium. 5) Make a new copy of the OS from your master OS diskette and try the format routine. It is possible that your copy of the OS may have gotten corrupted. I'm sure others on this net may have additional comments but let me know what you find after trying the above. -- rob -- >Something serious is wrong with my eps 16+'s floppy drive... I can't >format anything... I can successfully read and write to it, however, >I can't format. The error that comes back is: "Disk Data Corrupted" >Does anyone have a clue? I looked through my user manual and it made >no mention of this error... I'm dreading some massive expenses here... >Could it need some form of cleaning? Has this ever happend to anyone >else? > >Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. :-( > >_______________________________________________________________________ >Tony Schonek >Internet: aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com Rob Levine Engineering CourseWare Studio Cornell University From ibm4381.onet.edu!gwiner%UTCADMIN Wed Nov 3 07:15:07 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 141.110.8.15 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Nov 93 07:14 PST Received: from OSCS_MAIL_GATE ([141.110.8.16]) by cognomen.onet.edu (5.59/1.34) id AA00345; Wed, 3 Nov 93 10:13:06 EST Received: by OSCS_MAIL_GATE with Microsoft Mail id <2CD7F507@OSCS_MAIL_GATE>; Wed, 03 Nov 93 10:14:31 EST From: "Winer, Greg" To: * EPS List Subject: Re: Patches in sequences? Date: Wed, 03 Nov 93 09:08:00 EST Message-Id: <2CD7F507@OSCS_MAIL_GATE> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > Hi! > > I'm trying to create a simple sequence using the patch selects... Let's > say I have an instrument in location 1. I lay down my first 4 bars > with no patch selects... Then I lock in O* on instrument 1 and want > to add an additional part over the first... It doesn't work! Firstly, make sure the sequencer is in overdub mode. Secondly, I should mention that when you record the patch button info, it is going to affect the entire insturment track, not _just_ the new part. To do this, you'd need to do your sequencing on an additional track. Well anyway, I'm going to assume that you only want to _add_ patch selects to a portion of the track. The easiest way to do this is to do it in two steps. First, record your additional notes, then go back, and record the patch selects. I've found that the patch lock function doesn't work all that well when you're punching in. It's easier to go back and do it by hand (i.e. hold the buttons yourself) after you've recorded the notes and you've got a free hand (or two =). Hope this makes sense! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= j a c k i n , b a b y: g r e g o r y n a t i o n o f t e f l o n s o u l s =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= my opinions do not neccesarily reflect the views of my employer From rcsuna.gmr.com!aschonek Wed Nov 3 10:50:39 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.124.128.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Nov 93 10:50 PST Received: by rcsuna.gmr.com (4.1/GMR-1.2) id AA00258; Wed, 3 Nov 93 13:49:59 EST Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 13:42:47 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony Schonek Subject: Re: Oh... I feel sick... :( To: Rob Levine Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9311031456.AA03019@rcsuna.gmr.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Nov 1993, Rob Levine wrote: > You may want to try a few things before you get too sick. Please forgive > if I state the obvious but when we get 'sick' we sometimes forget the > obvious. ;-) > 1) First be sure that the diskettes you are formatting are indeed > double-sided double-density. Yep, they were... > 2) Are you trying the format with different diskettes to verify that this > is a problem with 'any' dsdd-diskette? Yep, I did... > 3) Is it possible that your drive is just dirty? Have you tried any of the > commercial disk drive head cleaners? I believe you can buy one of these > diskettes that uses some kind of cloth that removes the dirt from your > drive head. If that eliminates your problem be carefull not to use the > cleaner too often as they are usually abrasive. I've heard varying reports on these types of cleaners... Do you recommend them? Have you ever used it before? I would hate to initiate another problem... > 4) Are you formatting diskettes that were pre-formatted on some other > medium like a PC/Macintosh, whatever? Although probably coincidence, I > have found that from time to time I get the "Disk Data Corrupted" error > when the a diskette was already preformatted on a different medium. YES!!!! These are ibm preformatted!!! (3M) This may be the cause... But the ones that I could format later were also the same type... Could it have been just a unique lot? This is strange, what type of disks were you using? These same disks, crashed my mac too! The 3M disks that my mac could format, were also capable of being formatted by me 16+ too! > 5) Make a new copy of the OS from your master OS diskette and try the > format routine. It is possible that your copy of the OS may have gotten > corrupted. Yep, I tried that, too... It didn't work... > I'm sure others on this net may have additional comments but let me know > what you find after trying the above. > -- rob -- Thanks, Rob. -Tony > >Something serious is wrong with my eps 16+'s floppy drive... I can't > >format anything... I can successfully read and write to it, however, > >I can't format. The error that comes back is: "Disk Data Corrupted" > >Does anyone have a clue? I looked through my user manual and it made > >no mention of this error... I'm dreading some massive expenses here... > >Could it need some form of cleaning? Has this ever happend to anyone > >else? > > > >Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. :-( > > > >_______________________________________________________________________ > >Tony Schonek > >Internet: aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com > Rob Levine > Engineering CourseWare Studio > Cornell University > From psuvax1.cse.psu.edu!sol4.cse.psu.edu!mchen Wed Nov 3 12:49:23 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cse.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:48 PST Received: from sol4.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292831>; Wed, 3 Nov 1993 15:48:35 -0500 Received: from uranus.cse.psu.edu.cs.psu.edu by sol4.cse.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18281; Wed, 3 Nov 93 15:47:13 EST From: mchen@sol4.cse.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9311032047.AA18281@sol4.cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Oh... I feel sick... :( To: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 15:47:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: ; from "Anthony Schonek" at Nov 3, 93 1:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Anthony Schonek wrote: | |On Wed, 3 Nov 1993, Rob Levine wrote: | |> 4) Are you formatting diskettes that were pre-formatted on some other |> medium like a PC/Macintosh, whatever? Although probably coincidence, I |> have found that from time to time I get the "Disk Data Corrupted" error |> when the a diskette was already preformatted on a different medium. | |YES!!!! These are ibm preformatted!!! (3M) This may be the cause... But |the ones that I could format later were also the same type... Could it |have been just a unique lot? This is strange, what type of disks were |you using? These same disks, crashed my mac too! The 3M disks that my |mac could format, were also capable of being formatted by me 16+ too! Well, this may be wrong, but I would think that some of them are formatted specially to work around disk defects... those disks would bail out when they were reformatted. -- Mike |Thanks, Rob. |-Tony | |> >Something serious is wrong with my eps 16+'s floppy drive... I can't |> >format anything... I can successfully read and write to it, however, |> >I can't format. The error that comes back is: "Disk Data Corrupted" |> >Does anyone have a clue? I looked through my user manual and it made |> >no mention of this error... I'm dreading some massive expenses here... |> >Could it need some form of cleaning? Has this ever happend to anyone |> >else? |> > |> >Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. :-( |> > |> >_______________________________________________________________________ |> >Tony Schonek |> >Internet: aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com |> Rob Levine |> Engineering CourseWare Studio |> Cornell University |> From uahis1.uah.edu!claassen%ebs330 Thu Nov 4 04:08:21 1993 Return-Path: Received: from local by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 31 Oct 93 09:16 PST Received: from uahis1.uah.edu by theory.TC.Cornell.EDU with SMTP id AA11115 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 31 Oct 1993 12:16:39 -0500 Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Sun, 31 Oct 93 11:09:48 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15228; Sun, 31 Oct 93 11:00:55 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9310311700.AA15228@ebs330> Subject: Re: Output expanders To: dionf@ere.umontreal.ca (Francois Dion) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 11:00:55 -0600 (CST) Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9310280033.AA25901@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> from "Francois Dion" at Oct 27, 93 08:33:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 752 > Anybody knows how the output expanders work? How is the multiplexing done? > > how badly does it affect the sound quality? > > Ciao, > -- > Francois Dion I don't know how they work, but when i run the signals into the mixer, the signals from my output expander always have less background noise from the EPS than the stereo out. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From horde Thu Nov 4 09:25:28 1993 Return-Path: Received: from local by romulus.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:23 PST Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 09:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr. Heiji Horde" Subject: Administrative test (ignore) To: eps@reed.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Checking valid addresses again to try cut down on bounces back to senders. -Heiji ============================================================================== Mr. Heiji Horde (Unix Systems Manager, Reed College) horde@reed.edu All insane acts are done in affiliation with Madd Hacker Enterprises "When you remove the pin, Mr. Hand Grenade is no longer your friend" - ??? From sdcc15.UCSD.EDU!mcarlsso Fri Nov 5 12:04:00 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.239.254.201 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 93 12:03 PST Received: from sdcc15.UCSD.EDU by ucsd.edu; id MAA16589 sendmail 8.6.3/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Fri, 5 Nov 1993 12:03:28 -0800 for Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA10712 to eps@reed.edu; Fri, 5 Nov 93 12:03:26 PST Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 12:03:26 PST From: mcarlsso@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (Marcel Carlsson) Message-Id: <9311052003.AA10712@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: ASR hardcore members Anyone out there into darkness/breakbeat/jungle with an ASR?? mc From rcsuna.gmr.com!aschonek Fri Nov 5 12:29:38 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.124.128.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 93 12:29 PST Received: by rcsuna.gmr.com (4.1/GMR-1.2) id AA25510; Fri, 5 Nov 93 15:29:20 EST Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 15:04:46 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony Schonek Subject: eps16+ & vision (mac sequencer) To: eps users Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I just purchased vision 1.44 (free upgrade to 2.0 Yipee!), anyway, I'm anxious to start it up and get going but I stumbled on a couple questions... Could someone please attempt to give a shot at these? 1.) when setting up my 16+ in OMS, because there is not a preset selection for this, I have to describe my instrument. Should we be checking the "external beat clock"? The other confusing thing was "device id", I guess this is what ensoniq calls "base channel". So I set it to 9. Here's why: I figured I'd assign instruments 1-8 to midi channels 1-8... So the next one would be 9. What kind of info would then travel on 9? Is this how other eps'ers using vision set their OMS up? 2.) What do you guys use for your "metronome?" The mac's internal metronome doesn't work... (opcode said this was a problem and it will be fixed in 2.0). I choose a midi channel metronome and it works. I was curious if anyone had any "original" or "imaginative" ways to set the metronome up... For instance, should I scan my sound library and find a sound that takes up about 10 blocks and add it to, let's say, instrument 8? And always add it to instrument 8 and always on the same key for consistency purposes? (like something obscure?) Or are there better ways to do this? 3.) I used to do all my sequencing with the ensoniq's on board sequencer... (I trade sequences back and forth with a friend from New York through the mail) and now that I will be using vision for all my sequencing, will I be able to convert the sequence back into a language that the onboard sequencer can understand so my friend will be able to modify it? Then after he modifies it, can I send the sequences into vision for further edition on my end? (I know about "RTFM") but I'm just curious if this can be done because I was struggling with my metronome problems for about 3 hours and wasn't able to get through the entire manual! ;-) 4.) I got a free version of galaxy with this purchase... Is it useless if I only have the 16+? Thanks guys! -Tony _______________________________________________________________________ Tony Schonek Internet: aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com From world.std.com!djk Fri Nov 5 17:55:19 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.74.137.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 93 17:54 PST Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00847; Fri, 5 Nov 1993 20:54:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 20:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel J Keldsen Subject: Re: eps16+ & vision (mac sequencer) To: Anthony Schonek Cc: eps users In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Anthony Schonek wrote: > Hi, I just purchased vision 1.44 (free upgrade to 2.0 Yipee!), anyway, > I'm anxious to start it up and get going but I stumbled on a couple > questions... Could someone please attempt to give a shot at these? > > 1.) when setting up my 16+ in OMS, because there is not a preset > selection for this, I have to describe my instrument. Should we > be checking the "external beat clock"? The other confusing thing > was "device id", I guess this is what ensoniq calls "base channel". > So I set it to 9. Here's why: I figured I'd assign instruments 1-8 to > midi channels 1-8... So the next one would be 9. What kind of > info would then travel on 9? Is this how other eps'ers using vision > set their OMS up? Device ID doesn't have any relevance in OMS as far as I can tell - it is NOT the base channel. Usually you would want to set the DEVICE ID only if you had multiple devices of the same model/manufacturer. That way you could run MIDI OUT from you MAC -> MIDI IN on 1st EPS -> MIDI THRU -> MIDI IN on 2nd EPS -> MIDI OUT -> MAC. Normally both EPSes (?) would play the same information if they shared any channels, but by setting the DEVICE ID to different numbers on each unit, this should not happen. I'm actually not sure if this is true for MIDI messages other than SYSEX. Anybody else know? > 2.) What do you guys use for your "metronome?" The mac's internal [deleted] I use an Alesis D4 or sometimes my Roland D-110. Or none at all. > 3.) I used to do all my sequencing with the ensoniq's on board sequencer... > (I trade sequences back and forth with a friend from New York through [deleted] You should be able to send tracks out (at least) one at a time, with the clocks synced, and transfer that way. Other than that, I don't know - I can't stand hardware sequencers (well, non-graphic "friendly" sequencers), and have never used the sequencer on my EPS 16+ other than to hear the demos. > 4.) I got a free version of galaxy with this purchase... Is it useless > if I only have the 16+? Almost entirely, although you can create an instrument with the appropriate instrument NAMES in a librarian patch in Glaxay, and Vision should be able to subscribe to it. Always seemed kind of pointless to me - I just label my tracks in StudVision to the appropriate sound. ................................................................. "Umbernay oneay, ouyay avehay the ridgebay..." - pig-latin ST:TNG dan keldsen - djk@world.std.com ................................................................. From rcsuna.gmr.com!aschonek Fri Nov 5 23:09:08 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.124.128.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 93 23:08 PST Received: by rcsuna.gmr.com (4.1/GMR-1.2) id AA23950; Sat, 6 Nov 93 02:07:51 EST Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 01:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony Schonek Subject: Re: eps16+ & vision (mac sequencer) To: Daniel J Keldsen Cc: eps users In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Daniel J Keldsen wrote: (thanks for all the info Daniel, I certainly appreciate it!) The questions I am about to ask are specifically for Ensoniq + Vision compatibility and *not* how to use vision... Assuming I can eventually get this up and running, it might be a good idea to copy the questions and replies and archive it on the ftp site... I would be more than willing to put something together... (I would think a lot of 1st time computer sequencer users would find this info valuable) > Device ID doesn't have any relevance in OMS as far as I can tell - it is > NOT the base channel. Usually you would want to set the DEVICE ID only if Hmmm... It seems like I'm attempting to do something simple here and having a harder time than I bargained for... (at least 6 hours trying to set this up...) If I could rephrase the situation and problem: 1. I have only *one* instrument. (16+). 2. I have a mac IIvx + v1.44 of vision 3. My goal is to be able to sequence all 8 instruments of the 16+ using Vision and ultimately be able to get them back to the 16+'s sequencer so I can send them to friends that don't own vision... 4. the midi connection has been successfully established. 5. OMS is a little confusing since there's no preset for the 16+. - I don't know what number to give the "Device ID" - I checked the "midi beat clock" box (should I have?, Will it hurt?) - I left the receive channels all checked (should I have?, Will it hurt?) 6. Ok, the device ID *does not* equal the base channel. Should I leave the base channel on the 16+ set to "1"? 7. After loading up vision, "the current thru instrument" = EPS16+-1 - Is this equivalent to the instrument in bank 1 on my 16+? - If I change it to EPS16+-2, is it now accessing the inst in bank '2'? - So everytime I want to change the inst. to sequence, I would have to change the instrument on my board (obvious) then adjust the "current thru instrument" in vision? (upper right corner?) and also down in the 'seq A' window? - The "program (patch) setting" or (the little trumpet) is that compatible with the 16+? The manual seems to imply (to me at least) that I will be able to somehow access my patch selects through this... True? 8. Each of the 8 instruments on the 16+ has been edited to set their individual "midi out channel" and "midi out program" to their actual inst. number... (ie inst1=midi channel 1, inst1=midi program 1) Is this correct? 9. If this is how I have my individual instruments set up, what should I have the basechannel at? (I think basechannel defaults to '1' but I thought it would be appropriate to use '1' for instrument in location 1?) 10. Under edit system/midi, I saved the following as global: - Midi basechannel = 9 (this may change depending on comments above)? - Transmit on = inst channel - midi in mode = multi - midi controllers = on - midi sys ex = on - midi prog change = on - midi song select = on - midi xctrl num = 1 (this was confusing in the manual)? Suggestions? - multicontrollers = off (this was also confusing)? Suggestions? I appreciate all the help. I have noone else to ask... I don't think opcode's customer service people would be that familiar with ensoniq stuff... Thanks, -Tony From telerama.pgh.pa.us!raver909 Sat Nov 6 17:21:28 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.231.221.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 6 Nov 93 17:20 PST Received: from localhost (raver909@localhost) by telerama.pgh.pa.us (8.6.4/8.6.4) id UAA05049; Sat, 6 Nov 1993 20:20:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 20:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: ASR hardcore members To: Marcel Carlsson cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9311052003.AA10712@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Marcel Carlsson wrote: > > Anyone out there into darkness/breakbeat/jungle with an ASR?? > > mc > > Well I produce that stuff but not with an ASR but with an EPS Classic. (Can't afford an ASR) Joe From elm.circa.ufl.edu!mas Sat Nov 6 19:39:34 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.227.8.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 6 Nov 93 19:39 PST Received: by elm.circa.ufl.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA18722; Sat, 6 Nov 93 22:37:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 93 22:37:44 -0500 From: mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Mark Schneider) Message-Id: <9311070337.AA18722@elm.circa.ufl.edu> To: aschonek@rcsuna.gmr.com, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Oh... I feel sick... :( Cc: mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu >I can't format anything... I can successfully read and write to it, however, >I'm dreading some massive expenses here... Before you spend a fortune on repair costs, you might be better of buying a new drive. There was talk on the mailing list about using a high density drive with the EPS 16+. I don't recall whether the discussions led to the conclusion that you could or that you couldn't do that (it was a while back, maybe a year or two). If so, you might want to go to a high density drive and hold twice as much per disk. If anyone knows what the final decision was, please let us know. Also, I guess that if some sectors that you weren't trying to read/write to when you loaded and saved files to the disk were bad, yet all the ones you need to read/write to were fine, you'd encounter the situation you're in. I've had that problem with many disks after resting them on speakers for a while. Did you try it with brand new disks? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mark Schneider University of Florida | | mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu 904-335-6511(Voice)/4932(Fax) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- << In Stereo Where Available >> From elm.circa.ufl.edu!mas Sun Nov 7 08:37:49 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.227.8.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 7 Nov 93 08:36 PST Received: by elm.circa.ufl.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA28505; Sun, 7 Nov 93 11:35:10 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 93 11:35:10 -0500 From: mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Mark Schneider) Message-Id: <9311071635.AA28505@elm.circa.ufl.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: more commands than in midi spec? Cc: mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu Has anyone deciphered the operating system enough to know if there are more system exclusive commands than the midi spec manual from Ensoniq lists? For instance, maybe it's possible to program the effects algorithm from midi. Thanks for any help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mark Schneider University of Florida | | mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu 904-335-6511(Voice)/4932(Fax) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- << In Stereo Where Available >> From Dartmouth.EDU!Stephen.W.Berkley Sun Nov 7 17:57:08 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.170.16.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 7 Nov 93 17:56 PST Received: by coos.dartmouth.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09220; Sun, 7 Nov 1993 20:56:43 -0500 Message-Id: <7632360@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 07 Nov 93 20:56:44 EST From: Stephen.W.Berkley@Dartmouth.EDU (Stephen W. Berkley) Subject: scEPSi v1.3.5 release To: eps@reed.edu scEPSi users- Version 1.3.5 of the EPS floppy/SCSI drive reader is now on reed.edu. New Features include: * Delete Damaged File * More robust diagnostics * More robust archiving * Renaming files Enjoy! Steve Berkley From psuvax1.cse.psu.edu!sol4.cse.psu.edu!mchen Mon Nov 8 05:22:08 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cse.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 93 05:21 PST Received: from sol4.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291966>; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:20:55 -0500 Received: by sol4.cse.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00310; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:20:51 EST From: mchen@sol4.cse.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9311081320.AA00310@sol4.cse.psu.edu> Subject: TX16W to EPS in the PC world... To: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:20:47 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] For PC users mainly... For those curious about the TX16W to EPS thing that was being discussed before, I'm working on a better solution than sox and aif2efe. I've just finished tweaking disk 1 of the Dance Drum kit at the uni-dortmund archives. Good samples, although all of them seemed to like being normalized a little bit. It's still in beta... if others would like to play with them, let me know. -- Mike P.S. Terje is ahead of us on the Mac side of things... oh well, this whole school thing's taking up too much of my free time. :) From ecn.purdue.edu!jpriebe Mon Nov 8 08:03:47 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.39 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:03 PST Received: by gn.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA25547; Mon, 8 Nov 93 11:03:21 -0500 From: jpriebe@ecn.purdue.edu (Jason S Priebe) Message-Id: <9311081603.AA25547@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> Subject: Instrument Range on the ASR To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 11:03:20 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 498 Hi everyone, I've been trying to use an instrument on the ASR as a controller for a drum machine, but because of some sort of limitation on the note range allowed for an instrument, I can't access all of the MIDI notes to trigger all of the samples on my drum machine. Has anyone else run into this, and is there a way around it? Also, is there a way to transpose the keyboard, not the instrument, so that the keys actually send different MIDI notes? Thanks for any help. -Jason From uahis1.uah.edu!claassen%ebs330 Mon Nov 8 10:08:48 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.84.181.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:08 PST Received: from uahis1.uah.edu by theory.TC.Cornell.EDU with SMTP id AA24989 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Nov 1993 13:08:28 -0500 Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:08:16 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24592; Mon, 8 Nov 93 11:59:01 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9311081759.AA24592@ebs330> Subject: Re: Instrument Range on the ASR To: jpriebe@ecn.purdue.edu (Jason S Priebe) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 11:59:00 -0600 (CST) Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9311081603.AA25547@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> from "Jason S Priebe" at Nov 8, 93 11:03:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1454 > I've been trying to use an instrument on the ASR as a controller for a > drum machine, but because of some sort of limitation on the note range > allowed for an instrument, I can't access all of the MIDI notes to trigger > all of the samples on my drum machine. Has anyone else run into this, and > is there a way around it? Also, is there a way to transpose the keyboard, > not the instrument, so that the keys actually send different MIDI notes? > > -Jason The problem, i would say, is that your keyboard gives you C1 thru C7, leaving of the octaves of C0 and C8. Are you sure that when you have the instrument (not the wavesample) selected and use the transpose key, it does not transpose the keyboard? On the transpose page there is first the key range on which the instrument is defined and then the transpose by note and octave. I had some instruments that i had tuned using transpose instead of EDIT/Pitch root and fine, and suddenly they started sending MIDI data that did not correspond to the key i pressed. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From uunet.UU.NET!korgrd!korgrd.com!dan Mon Nov 8 13:47:08 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.48.96.7 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:46 PST Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA04377; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:46:18 -0500 Received: from korgrd.UUCP by uucp6.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 164434.11463; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:44:34 EST Received: from korgsmtp by korgrd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26135; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:14:33 PST Message-Id: <9311082114.AA26135@korgrd.com> Date: 8 Nov 1993 13:12:03 -0800 From: "Dan" Subject: Re: Re- eps16+ & vision (mac To: "Anthony Schonek" Cc: "eps users" Reply to: RE>Re: eps16+ & vision (mac se > From: Anthony Schonek These are my own attempts at responses to your questions - others may disagree (or may correct me if I've said something foolish!). > 5. OMS is a little confusing since there's no preset for the 16+. > - I don't know what number to give the "Device ID" Devide ID is relevant only for Sytem Exclusive information; most instruments don't have a specific Device ID (many just use the base channel number). In fact, there is no standard format for Device ID whatsoever; as with all other aspects of the System Exclusive implementation, the format is completely specified by the individual manufacturer (that's the whole point of SysEx). Galaxy uses the Device ID on a case-by-case basis, plugging it into its SysEx messages as necessary. For your EPS, just set this to the same number as the base channel. > - I checked the "midi beat clock" box (should I have?, Will it hurt?) If you want to transfer sequences between Vision and the EPS sequencer, you will eventually use MIDI clocks to sync the two together. You should consult your Vision and EPS manuals for more info on this subject. > - I left the receive channels all checked (should I have?, Will it hurt?) I believe that Vision automatically creates selections for all multitimbral channels of an instrument, so checking all of the receive channels is causing clutter. It's probably best to check only the 8 channels that you are using - in your case, channels 1-8. > 6. Ok, the device ID *does not* equal the base channel. Should I leave the > base channel on the 16+ set to "1"? Yes. > 7. After loading up vision, "the current thru instrument" = EPS16+-1 > - Is this equivalent to the instrument in bank 1 on my 16+? > - If I change it to EPS16+-2, is it now accessing the inst in bank '2'? Yes, I believe so. (I haven't used Vision in quite some time, though...since I switched back to Performer). > - So everytime I want to change the inst. to sequence, I would have to > change the instrument on my board (obvious) then adjust the "current > thru instrument" in vision? (upper right corner?) and also down in > the 'seq A' window? Selecting an instrument on the EPS, or selecting the thru channel in Vision, should be an either/or proposition. In most setups, I would advise you to use only the thru, and always turn off local control on the EPS itself (by de- selecting all instruments); however, since you are using only the EPS, it may be more convenient to turn thru off in Vision, and just select the appropriate instrument on the EPS. Otherwise, if you have an instrument selected on the EPS and also have Vision's thru turned on, then you will be playing all notes twice; once locally on the EPS, and once as they are sent back to the EPS via Vision's thru. If the thru is set to the same instrument that you're playing locally, the result will be that two notes will play on the same sound, causing strange cancellations and flamming; if the local instrument and thru channel are different, then you will be playing two different instruments at the same time, which is confusing at best. > - The "program (patch) setting" or (the little trumpet) is that compatible > with the 16+? The manual seems to imply (to me at least) that I will > be able to somehow access my patch selects through this... True? The patch setting in Vision refers to MIDI program changes. The patch select buttons correspond to MIDI controller #70. These are not the same thing. The EPS can load instruments from disk in response to MIDI program changes - but this is probably not what you want. > 8. Each of the 8 instruments on the 16+ has been edited to set their > individual "midi out channel" and "midi out program" to their actual > inst. number... (ie inst1=midi channel 1, inst1=midi program 1) Is this > correct? You don't need to worry about the EPS's MIDI Out channels; Vision will correctly re-channelize on output. It's simplest to simply set the EPS to transmit on the base channel. MIDI Program settings are not relevant for your application; they are useful when using the EPS as a master controller for other MIDI modules. > 9. If this is how I have my individual instruments set up, what should I > have the basechannel at? (I think basechannel defaults to '1' but I > thought it would be appropriate to use '1' for instrument in location 1?) Just leave it set to 1. > 10. Under edit system/midi, I saved the following as global: > - Midi basechannel = 9 (this may change depending on comments above)? I'd suggest 1. > - Transmit on = inst channel I'd suggest base channel. > - midi in mode = multi > - midi controllers = on > - midi sys ex = on > - midi prog change = on > - midi song select = on > - midi xctrl num = 1 (this was confusing in the manual)? Suggestions? > - multicontrollers = off (this was also confusing)? Suggestions? I believe that this last parameter is provided for guitar controllers, and offers a choice of using a single channel's controllers for all instruments (probably the base channel) or using the individual channel controllers. For instance, a sophisticated MIDI guitarist will usually use one MIDI channel per string, which would use up 6 channels and thus 6 EPS instruments - but they might wish to control the brightness, for instance, of all 6 strings/channels/instruments with a single foot pedal. As long as you're not using a MIDI guitar, though, you'll want each channel to use its own controllers. In the absence of my manual (it's at home now), I don't know whether this corresponds to on or off for "multicontrollers" (probably on, though). Hopefully this will make the manual's explaination clearer, and you can figure it out yourself... > > I appreciate all the help. I have noone else to ask... I don't think > opcode's customer service people would be that familiar with ensoniq stuff... You might try calling Ensoniq, of course...(215) 647-3930. - Dan From psuvax1.cse.psu.edu!sol4.cse.psu.edu!mchen Tue Nov 9 09:51:09 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cse.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:50 PST Received: from sol4.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293133>; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 12:50:23 -0500 Received: by sol4.cse.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02640; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:50:04 EST From: mchen@sol4.cse