From uahis1.uah.edu!ebs330!claassen Wed Aug 11 09:38:25 1993 Return-Path: <@uahis1.uah.edu:claassen@ebs330> Received: from 146.229.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 09:38 PDT Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 11:25:26 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08825; Wed, 11 Aug 93 11:23:35 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9308111623.AA08825@ebs330> Subject: Re: PAS 16/Mac To: djk@world.std.com (Daniel J Keldsen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 11:23:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: from "Daniel J Keldsen" at Aug 11, 93 10:01:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1323 > The Pro Audio Spectrum 16 is too cheap, eh? You mean it's actually > reasonably priced? or it's not built well? > What i meant, it says it has a stereo recording and playback at 16-bit 44.1 khz and a four channel mixer and software to drive it all and support of games and 20 voice polyphony and so on.. but it only costs $350, while the Audiomedia II costs $1000 and doesn't seem to offer more. > Yes. Not having tons of success with it though... sometimes the damn thing > won't/can't get the samples sucked out of the EPS 16+R. or it will show > all 23 samples in the dialog box for picking them out, but regardless of > which one you pick (from the dialog), it turns out it keeps getting the > same sample. > > Piss! > How much did you pay for your copy and was it worth it? I need a sample editor, but Alchemy, even if i can find it, is a dead duck after all, right? So what choices do i have? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From uahis1.uah.edu!ebs330!claassen Wed Aug 11 10:34:26 1993 Return-Path: <@uahis1.uah.edu:claassen@ebs330> Received: from 146.229.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 10:33 PDT Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 12:31:24 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09651; Wed, 11 Aug 93 12:29:34 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9308111729.AA09651@ebs330> Subject: EFE format To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 12:29:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1473 Now that I've got EPSm with SCSI, my effort of writing a SCSI editor on the Mac for EPS has been reduced in priority, although i'll keep on it. Thanks again to Terje for creating such a truly magnificent piece of software. This leads me to two products that are still needed for the Mac. A speeddisk program to fix fragmentation of the EPS HD and an instrument editor. I personally find it quite annoying trying to build an instrument on the EPS. Creating layers, allocating wavesamples, defining envelopes, keyboard ranges and the such from the front pannel. What i'd like to work on is an instrument editor that allows you to this this graphically on the Mac. Does anyone have the format of the EFE files (i.e. how the samples and parameters are stored in the instrument) Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. BTW, i won't even attempt to write the speedisk program. This should be left to the gods of hardware programming. Hey if someone has the skill for that they should write a new and independent OS for the EPS... Ah, but i can dream... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From moon.nbn.com!cyberden!xorcist Wed Aug 11 13:17:27 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.132.30.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:16 PDT Received: from cyberden.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (8.5/8.5) with UUCP id NAA23698; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 13:16:46 -0700 Received: from cyberden.UUCP by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/MOON-72) id AA22147; Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:13:26 PDT Received: by cyberden.sf.ca.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 11 Aug 93 09:22:48 PDT for reed.edu!eps To: eps@reed.edu Subject: unsubscribe From: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us Reply-To: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us Comments: The Devil Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 93 09:22:39 PDT Organization: Indescribable Creations unsubscribe __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us ] The CyberDen - Public Access Waffle Usenet System - 415/472-5527 From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Wed Aug 11 13:45:19 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 15.254.48.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:44 PDT Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by hpfcla.fc.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA12255; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:42:32 -0600 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (1.37.109.4/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA14864; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:44:47 -0600 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9308112044.AA14864@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: EPS FTP site To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:44:46 MDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Hello everybody, Well, somehow I must have been inadvertantly dropped from the mailing list several months ago. I'm glad to see from all the responses to my test message that you are all still out there... somewhere. I still haven't seen any mailing list traffic, although I posted a request to the eps-request address. Either the mailing list has been really quiet the last week, or else I still haven't been added yet. Anyway, I was wondering if the FTP site at nexttues.read.edu was still functioning. I tried to ftp there to see if any new stuff had been added, and it complained that it 'couldn't set guest priveledges'. Maybe I was trying to early in the day, and it's restricted during that time. I though I'd drop a line anyway, and see if the site was still functioning or not. Thanks! =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From leland.Stanford.EDU!she Wed Aug 11 13:52:45 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 36.21.0.213 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:52 PDT Received: from localhost (she@localhost) by elaine25.Stanford.EDU (8.3/8.3) id NAA02796; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 13:52:19 -0700 From: Jessica Grace Wing Message-Id: <199308112052.NAA02796@elaine25.Stanford.EDU> Subject: wanted: used EPS To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:52:18 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I'm looking to buy a used EPS sampler. If you have one to sell, please mail me. (private mail--I'm not on this list). I would like to buy one from someone local to the Bay Area, since I live in S.F. Thanks everybody! Jessica Wing she@leland.stanford.edu From cscns.com!scotti Wed Aug 11 13:53:32 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.156.196.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:53 PDT Received: by cns.cscns.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14596; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:54:47 MDT From: scotti@cscns.com (Stewart Scott) Message-Id: <9308112054.AA14596@cns.cscns.com> Subject: ASR 10 To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:54:46 MDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] This question maybe a bit basic but I've not been able to figure it out yet. I wasn to be able to read and write the .gkh files that are on ftp.reed.edu to my ASR 10 system. I have epsdisk and epsutil but neither seem to be able to write to the disk. They will format the disks but when I try to write the GKH file to them it doesn't even try and gives me a error (-1) writing volume b:. Does anybody know of a way that works. -- Stewart Scotti scotti@cscns.com From elm.circa.ufl.edu!mas Wed Aug 11 19:16:32 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.227.8.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 19:16 PDT Received: by elm.circa.ufl.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16896; Wed, 11 Aug 93 22:15:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 93 22:15:26 -0400 From: mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Mark Schneider) Message-Id: <9308120215.AA16896@elm.circa.ufl.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: pkzip Cc: mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu > Hey, where can I get version 2.0 of pkzip2.0/pkunzip2.0 on the net? Ftp to ftp.reed.edu and cd into the /pub/eps/incoming directory. Get the pkz204e.exe file and execute it. Good luck. Mark Schneider mas@elm.circa.ufl.edu From ravel.udel.edu!wavy Wed Aug 11 19:47:18 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.175.13.47 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 19:46 PDT Received: by ravel.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA07765; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 22:46:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 22:44:43 -0400 (EDT) From: David Christopher Thomas Subject: mac software To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ive seen talk about a great software program for the mac but I dont know where to find it? any help please dave W A V Y D A V E From ravel.udel.edu!wavy Wed Aug 11 19:50:40 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.175.13.47 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 19:49 PDT Received: by ravel.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA07809; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 22:49:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 22:46:52 -0400 (EDT) From: David Christopher Thomas Subject: cdrom To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm shopping for a good cdrom to use with both a mac and a 16+. could the eps access an internal drive say like on a centris or the new LC520 or would it be better to have a separate drive??? whats imporntant for the drive to have when working with the 16+??? dave wavy@ravel.udel.edu W A V Y D A V E From uahis1.uah.edu!ebs330!claassen Wed Aug 11 20:05:27 1993 Return-Path: <@uahis1.uah.edu:claassen@ebs330> Received: from 146.229.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 20:03 PDT Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 22:03:05 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15133; Wed, 11 Aug 93 22:01:13 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9308120301.AA15133@ebs330> Subject: Re: cdrom To: wavy@brahms.udel.edu (David Christopher Thomas) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 22:01:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: from "David Christopher Thomas" at Aug 11, 93 10:46:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1055 > I'm shopping for a good cdrom to use with both a mac and a 16+. > > could the eps access an internal drive say like on a centris or the new > LC520 or would it be better to have a separate drive??? > > whats imporntant for the drive to have when working with the 16+??? > The internal/external question is only important if you care about using the drive with the EPS when your Mac is not around, or using your EPS when the Mac is turned off. Once it has power (i.e. Mac is on) the CD-rom is just another SCSI id away. Now what you need to do to get a CD-rom working with an EPS is another story, which i do not know the answer to. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From ads.com!pdel Thu Aug 12 09:12:13 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:12 PDT Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA08468; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:15:20 -0700 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA04019; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:15:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:15:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9308121615.AA04019@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Recent closing of Terje's ftp site I would just like the Mac users to know that I am responsible for causing Terje to close access to his machine. I have sent him a letter about the incident, and hope that he will not hold any of you liable for this. Whether my decision was in good faith or not, I should have checked with Terje before handing out passwords, ftp sites, etc. sorry for the problems. Hopefully Terje will continue to develop his program and allow you all to use it. pd From astro.phys.lafayette.edu!hoffmang Fri Aug 13 09:14:31 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 139.147.200.41 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 09:14 PDT Received: by astro.phys.lafayette.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02802; Fri, 13 Aug 93 12:15:53 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 12:15:53 EDT From: hoffmang@astro.phys.lafayette.edu (Lyle Hoffman (Physics)) Message-Id: <9308131615.AA02802@astro.phys.lafayette.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Ensoniq/Mac utilities Hi, I was given your address by Fred Shaul at Ensoniq. Ismail Jouny and I at Lafayette College are setting up acoustics workstations using Ensoniq ASR-10 samplers and MacII computers, and we are interested in finding an inexpensive way to transfer data from the ASR-10 to the MacII and translating it into ASCII or some other standard format that we can read with various analysis programs. Do you know of any such utilities? Thanks. Lyle Hoffman hoffmang@astro.phys.lafayette.edu From uahis1.uah.edu!ebs330!claassen Fri Aug 13 12:17:45 1993 Return-Path: <@uahis1.uah.edu:claassen@ebs330> Received: from 146.229.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 12:17 PDT Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 14:17:25 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05395; Fri, 13 Aug 93 14:15:22 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9308131915.AA05395@ebs330> Subject: NEEDED: Snow Voices To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 14:15:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 857 I got this instrument from the previous owner of my EPS and had not backed it up (yeah, yeah, i know). Well, hey, i was about to put it onto my HD when it refused to read it into memory. Data corrupted. If anyone has a patch by this name, please let me know. I had changed the parameters, but the samples are the same and i use it into a couple of my Songs. HELP.... I believe it's 364 blocks, if that helps to identify it. SNOW VOICES... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From Ensoniq.COM!fred Fri Aug 13 13:10:03 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.126.220.104 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 13:09 PDT Received: from ensoniq.UUCP by gvls1.VFL.Paramax.COM (4.1/mls/4.0) id AA26259; Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:09:36 EDT X-Info: VFL.Paramax.COM is the new name for GVL.Unisys.COM Please change any mailing lists or aliases. Both the old and the new addresses will work for a short time. Received: by ensoniq.Ensoniq.COM (4.1/mls/3.5) id AA11827; Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:08:41 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:08:41 EDT From: fred@Ensoniq.COM (Fred Shaul) Message-Id: <9308132008.AA11827@ensoniq.Ensoniq.COM> To: eps@reed.edu Looking for Macintosh program to read ENSONIQ DISKs Could someone point me in the right direction. If one exists are there any special instructions. Where/how can I get a hold of such a program. - Fred fred@ensoniq.com From phoenix.krf.com!davidw Fri Aug 13 13:19:44 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.67.245.17 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 13:19 PDT Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:22 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: EPS samples/SOX To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:22:01 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hello EPS people, I am not an EPS owner ( I have a Roland S-550 ), but I am interested in extracting the wave data from your EPS disks at ftp.reed.edu. I understand you guys use "epsdisk.exe" and "instedit.exe" to do this ?? I have tried using epsdisk on some of the ".gkh" EPS disks from ftp.reed.edu and extracted the instruments into ".ins" files. Then I tried using "insetedit.exe" on the .ins files to extract the raw wave data into a raw sample data file for use with SOX (public domain sample file converter). I haven't been able to get "instedit.exe" to extract the wave data and create the files it says it will do when you run the program. Is there someone there that knows how to do this correctly, or what am I doing wrong ?? What I want to do is get raw sample data files either 8,12,16 bit raw sample data files that can be used by SOX and then SampleVision PC sample editing software to upload into my Roland S-550. Also, how does your AIFFTOEFE.EXE program work ?? Can I convert EPS samples to AIFF format ?? I am not familiar with how the EPS disks are setup and how instruments and sample data are arranged on it. I just want raw 8,12, or 16 bit sample data files from the EPS disks. Could someone or anyone there please e-mail on how you guys do this kind of thing in EPS-land ?? I am not on the EPS mailing list so please e-mail me directly at davidw@krf.com Any information regarding raw sample formats, AIFF conversion, SOX, etc. would be helpful. Thanks, David Wilson davidw@krf.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From verity.com!jboyd Fri Aug 13 14:22:35 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.187.143.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 14:22 PDT Received: from loaner.verity.com by verity.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24302; Fri, 13 Aug 93 14:22:34 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 14:22:34 PDT From: jboyd@verity.com (John Boyd) Message-Id: <9308132122.AA24302@verity.com> Errors-To: To: davidw@krf.com, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS samples/SOX | Hello EPS people, | | I am not an EPS owner ( I have a Roland S-550 ), but I am | interested in extracting the wave data from your EPS disks at ftp.reed.edu. | I understand you guys use "epsdisk.exe" and "instedit.exe" to do this ?? | I have tried using epsdisk on some of the ".gkh" EPS disks from ftp.reed.edu | and extracted the instruments into ".ins" files. Then I tried using | "insetedit.exe" on the .ins files to extract the raw wave data into a | raw sample data file for use with SOX (public domain sample file converter). | I haven't been able to get "instedit.exe" to extract the wave data and | create the files it says it will do when you run the program. Is there | someone there that knows how to do this correctly, or what am I doing wrong ?? Hmmm, I haven't checked out instedit.exe yet. I've been dealing with .efe for single instruments so far. | What I want to do is get raw sample data files either 8,12,16 bit raw sample | data files that can be used by SOX and then SampleVision PC sample editing | software to upload into my Roland S-550. Also, how does your AIFFTOEFE.EXE | program work ?? Can I convert EPS samples to AIFF format ?? I am not | familiar with how the EPS disks are setup and how instruments and sample | data are arranged on it. I just want raw 8,12, or 16 bit sample data files | from the EPS disks. It's just a one way street right now. AIFF -> EFE I'm hoping Terje will write the reverse EFE2AIF.EXE or maybe release the code so we can. (please,please,please) This would help both of us. First, us EPS owners could upload samples from the EPS disk into the DOS environment and do sample editing, waveform slicing, basic munging... And folks like you could easily convert EFE files to other formats, since AIFF is a standardized format. | | Could someone or anyone there please e-mail on how you guys do this kind | of thing in EPS-land ?? I am not on the EPS mailing list so please e-mail | me directly at davidw@krf.com Any information regarding raw sample formats, | AIFF conversion, SOX, etc. would be helpful. | | Thanks, | David Wilson davidw@krf.com I'd also like to know more about this "instedit.exe" program. I don't remember hearing about this program or .ins format. Anyone else out there use this program to do conversions? Thanks, John From Dartmouth.EDU!Stephen.W.Berkley Fri Aug 13 14:58:26 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.170.16.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 14:57 PDT Received: from donner.dartmouth.edu by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.65+D5/4.5HUB) id AA09422; Fri, 13 Aug 93 17:57:27 -0400 Message-Id: <6172539@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 13 Aug 93 17:57:23 EDT From: Stephen.W.Berkley@Dartmouth.EDU (Stephen W. Berkley) Subject: scEPSi 1.3.0 Mac Ensoniq Disk Software, RELEASED To: eps@reed.edu --- John Boyd wrote: I'm hoping Terje will write the reverse EFE2AIF.EXE or maybe release the code so we can. (please,please,please) This would help both of us. First, us EPS owners could upload samples from the EPS disk into the DOS environment and do sample editing, waveform slicing, basic munging... And folks like you could easily convert EFE files to other formats, since AIFF is a standardized format. --- end of quoted material --- I am uploading my Macintosh disk reading program , scEPSi, to ftp.reed.edu. Also read some of the notes on the program. scEPSi allows you to peruse your Ensoniq formatted SCSI device (or ASR computer-format diskette!). You can save files, delete files, create directories, generate reports. scEPSi supports instrument loading from the Mac by dragging an instrument onto a loading window. This is not a working feature yet, as it is awaiting a new ASR OS release. You can move files. Moving can also initiate a search for all banks that you may disturb by moving the file, and then CORRECTS the bank. You can also extract a wavesample to an AIFF file. And much much more.... BTW- I make no guarantees this software won't trash your hard disk, so be careful! From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Fri Aug 13 18:40:36 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 18:39 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <11502-0@pat.uio.no>; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 03:39:21 +0200 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 03:39:18 +0200 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 03:39:18 +0200 Message-Id: <9308140139.AAfidibus10521@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad X-Sender: tgf@fidibus Subject: Re: scEPSi 1.3.0 Mac Ensoniq Disk Software, RELEASED Stephen W. Berkley wrote: >I am uploading my Macintosh disk reading program , scEPSi, to ftp.reed.edu. > Fantastic, According to the documentation this is absolutely great. Thanks to Ensoniq and thanks to Stephen for doing the work. btw, It requires OMS of a newer version to run I'm very happy that there are someone writing EPS related Mac software, and great to see Ensoniq beeing engaged in it and it is especially nice that Stephen who has been on the eps-list a long time (according to archive) finally steps forward. I understand that we can expect updates and new features. In order that these guys don't sleep on their sucess I challenge them and invite them to some fun. You should at least match every feature and performance of EPSm. ( And I feel sure you will ) And then a contest: One point for every crashed Mac. 10 points for every crashed eps hard disk. Let us count points after one month and see who the winner is.:-). One CD to the first one to reach 50 points. Two CD's to the one with the highest number of points after a month. Are you in? Already ahead of scEPSi in the alphabeth in the incoming you find EPSm_package.sea. It should be downloaded as a Macbinary file. It contain EPSm version 0.01 Dev 34c. Terje P.S. This is meant to promote your work. If you don't like the humour- -well- just don't be amused or something. From Dartmouth.EDU!Stephen.W.Berkley Fri Aug 13 20:17:38 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.170.16.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 20:17 PDT Received: from donner.dartmouth.edu by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.65+D5/4.5HUB) id AA19579; Fri, 13 Aug 93 23:17:22 -0400 Message-Id: <6173055@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 13 Aug 93 23:17:19 EDT From: Stephen.W.Berkley@Dartmouth.EDU (Stephen W. Berkley) Subject: Re: scEPSi 1.3.0 Mac Ensoniq Disk Software, RELEASED To: eps@reed.edu --- Terje Finstad wrote: Thanks to Ensoniq and thanks to Stephen for doing the work. btw, It requires OMS of a newer version to run I'm very happy that there are someone writing EPS related Mac software, and great to see Ensoniq beeing engaged in it and it is especially nice that Stephen who has been on the eps-list a long time (according to archive) finally steps forward. I understand that we can expect updates and new features. In order that these guys don't sleep on their sucess I challenge them and invite them to some fun. You should at least match every feature and performance of EPSm. ( And I feel sure you will ) --- end of quoted material --- It was only tonite that I got the OK from Ensoniq to release scEPSi to public domain. If there is significant public outcry, I will release the ability to run scEPSi WITHOUT OMS in the next version. Regarding the fun and challenges: 1) scEPSi makes no attempt to be a cross-platform utility. scEPSi is meant to complement the ASR or EPS SCSI-owner who also has a Macintosh computer. This means backups, conversions to AIFF files, and overviews of one's SCSI or ASR-10 disk (also via a report as a TeachText document). EPSm, on the other hand, bridges the gaps between Mac and PC owners with EPS or ASR samplers. scEPSi writes no header information to instruments, banks, songs, etc. that it exports, it uses the Mac's type and creator to identify that the exported file is an Ensoniq file, of a particular file type. My initial concern in releasing scEPSi was that too many different file types were evolving across the various personal computer platforms for Ensoniq files on personal computers. Maybe Terje and myself can work on this concern together. Why should one "reinvent" the wheel when it comes to importing foreign file types? 2) scEPSi and EPSm are completely different programs: like I said before, EPSm seems primarily concerned with the transfer of Ensoniq files between different platforms... scEPSi, on the other hand, expands the EPS and ASR operating systems by allowing sophisticated operations such as moves with UPDATES to your banks (both on the ASR and the EPS/16+). 3) scEPSi is supported by Ensoniq. This includes integration with future ASR/EPS OS upgrades, such as the ability to load files into your EPS or ASR via MIDI commands from a Mac, and hard disk recording.... scEPSi opens up ASR hard disk recording to editing programs such as Sound Tools, Alchemy, and the like, with the abiltiy to edit a hard disk track directly on your Mac and then save it back to the ASR. 4) scEPSi allows viewing of layers and individual wavesamples. 5) scEPSi allows one to back up an EFD (Ensoniq-Formatted-Device) through a Mac. 6) scEPSi allows one to find an instrument 7) scEPSi allows one to delete an instrument 8) scEPSi ................................ I'm amused or something- Steve Berkley P.S. This is meant to promote your work. If you don't like the humour- well- just be amused or something. From sdcc13.UCSD.EDU!mcarlsso Fri Aug 13 20:59:14 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.239.254.201 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 20:59 PDT Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA26576 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Fri, 13 Aug 93 20:58:59 -0700 for eps@reed.edu Received: by sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (5.60/UCSDGENERIC2) id AA22114 for eps@reed.edu; Fri, 13 Aug 93 20:58:52 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 20:58:52 PDT From: mcarlsso@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Mars) Message-Id: <9308140358.AA22114@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: New software I think it is awesome that software like the newly uploaded stuff has been written and not at least made available to the EPS mailing list. Especially hats of to Terje who also wrote that awesome SAMDISK software for Roland samplers back in the day... Never know what those crazy Norwegians are upto:). Thanks mc From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Fri Aug 13 22:16:50 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 22:16 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <27487-0@pat.uio.no>; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 07:16:23 +0200 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 07:16:21 +0200 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 07:16:21 +0200 Message-Id: <9308140516.AAfidibus10865@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad X-Sender: tgf@fidibus Subject: Re: scEPSi 1.3.0 Mac Ensoniq Disk Software, RELEASED Stephen wrote: >If there is significant public outcry, I will release the ability to run >scEPSi WITHOUT OMS in the next version. That would probably be good, ( probably necessary ) or can you obtain a (free?) licence to package OMS along with scEPSi? Thanks for promoting scEPSi further. Sounds really exiting. Hope you eventually take the challenge though. What can be done? Wave elbows up and down? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Please analyze it and consider some of it as times go by. (^^^^^^--this is said in a mild, begging voice ) Terje From ravel.udel.edu!wavy Fri Aug 13 22:39:30 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.175.13.47 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 22:39 PDT Received: by ravel.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA12600; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 01:38:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 01:38:20 -0400 (EDT) From: David Christopher Thomas Subject: Re: scEPSi 1.3.0 Mac Ensoniq Disk Software, RELEASED To: Terje Finstad Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9308140516.AAfidibus10865@fidibus.uio.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I may be missing something but what is OMS???? wavy@ravel.udel.edu W A V Y D A V E From Dartmouth.EDU!Stephen.W.Berkley Sun Aug 15 21:38:49 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.170.16.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 15 Aug 93 21:38 PDT Received: from donner.dartmouth.edu by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.65+D5/4.5HUB) id AA00521; Mon, 16 Aug 93 00:38:18 -0400 Message-Id: <6176055@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 16 Aug 93 00:07:15 EDT From: Stephen.W.Berkley@Dartmouth.EDU (Stephen W. Berkley) Subject: scEPSi 1.3.1, no OMS To: eps@reed.edu Just like it says, scEPSi 1.3.1 is out (as scEPSi.131.sit.hqx on ftp.reed.edu, and you don't need OMS (the Opcode Midi System) to run the program. However, when instrument loading from the Mac is released in an upcoming OS, you will need OMS for this feature because it establishes MIDI communications between the EPS/ASR and your Mac. Enjoy- Steve From xerox.com!Brian_T_Ormond.Wbst128 Mon Aug 16 07:28:19 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 13.1.64.93 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 07:28 PDT Received: from Vigilante.Wbst128.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <11584>; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 07:27:34 PDT X-NS-Transport-ID: 0000AA006E52AF6D3030 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 06:37:18 PDT From: Brian_T_Ormond.Wbst128@xerox.com Subject: EPS Classic Hum To: eps@reed.edu Message-ID: <"16-Aug-93 9:37:18 EDT".*.Brian_T_Ormond.Wbst128@Xerox.com> I am experiencing a problem with hum on my EPS Classic. I and using the stereo outs (Have the expander, but currently not using). It appears to be of the 60Hz variety and I tried switching the channel inputs of my mixer with my 16+ rack mount to see if it was the channels of the mixer. I also switched patch cords around, but the hum follows the EPS. Having just received a higher quality mixer seems to really bring the hum to light, now that I can do more precise eq stuff. Could anyone shed some light as to whether it be a ground I could perhaps add internally, or a component change? I seem to remember a similar problem long ago on the ESQ, where the solution was to cut the ground prong on the power cord? Sorry if this has been addressed before and I didn't catch the answer! Thankx Brian From psychok.dialix.oz.au!leigh Mon Aug 16 09:09:29 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.128.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 09:09 PDT Received: from perth.DIALix.oz.au (DIALix.oz.au [192.203.228.2]) by uniwa.uwa.edu.au (8.1C/8.1) with SMTP id AAA02500; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 00:08:25 +0800 Received: from psychok.dialix.oz.auĝ A by perth.DIALix.oz.au with UUCP id AA14975 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for reed.edu!eps); Tue, 17 Aug 1993 00:08:23 +0800 Received: by psychok.DIALix.oz.au (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:59 PDT Message-Id: Subject: Tuning Table Sysex download - broken? To: eps@reed.edu (Ensoniq EPS mailing list) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:59:08 PDT From: Leigh Smith Organisation: Psychokiller, Qu'est-ce que c'est? X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi All, I've been fooling around writing a tuning table upload/download program to the EPS (under Unix with Andrew Arensburgers EPS library). While I can upload and download the tuning data ok, I can't seem to get the name of the table to be accepted by the EPS when downloading to it. Its display shows TBL= with all blanks. Has anyone got this to work ok? That is, is it me or the machine :-? Carter Scholz reported the tuning sysex message didn't work as reported in Transoniq Hacker in 1990 so I'm curious if the name display was the problem as I'm using an EPS-16+ V1.3. Any help or questions to the address below, thanks! -- Leigh Smith leigh@psychok.DIALix.oz.au _--_|\ Free Xanana Gusmao / \ Free East Timor Tel (H): +61-9-450-2014 Perth --> *_.--._/ Boycott Bali Western Australia v From uahis1.uah.edu!ebs330!claassen Mon Aug 16 10:49:16 1993 Return-Path: <@uahis1.uah.edu:claassen@ebs330> Received: from 146.229.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 10:49 PDT Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 12:43:57 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01765; Mon, 16 Aug 93 12:42:28 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9308161742.AA01765@ebs330> Subject: Re: EPS Classic Hum To: Brian_T_Ormond.Wbst128@xerox.com Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 12:42:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <"16-Aug-93 9:37:18 EDT".*.Brian_T_Ormond.Wbst128@Xerox.com> from "Brian_T_Ormond.Wbst128@xerox.com" at Aug 16, 93 06:37:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1618 > >I am experiencing a problem with hum on my EPS Classic. I and using the stereo >outs (Have the expander, but currently not using). It appears to be of the 60Hz >variety and I tried switching the channel inputs of my mixer with my 16+ rack >mount to see if it was the channels of the mixer. I also switched patch cords >around, but the hum follows the EPS. Having just received a higher quality >mixer seems to really bring the hum to light, now that I can do more precise eq >stuff. Could anyone shed some light as to whether it be a ground I could >perhaps add internally, or a component change? I seem to remember a similar >problem long ago on the ESQ, where the solution was to cut the ground prong on >the power cord? I have the same problem, but seem to have gotten so used to that machine hum that it barely bothers me. My way around it is to always put every signal out at max volume to my mixer, since the hum stays at the same level, no matter what the output volume of the EPS is. That way it usually gets buried in active sequences. Slower ones, oh well, call it an ambient feeling of the EPS. If there is a way to get rid of it, tho'. I'd be most interested in learning about it. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From email.mot.com!John_Lambrou-CJL008 Mon Aug 16 11:35:17 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 11:35 PDT Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA06213; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 13:35:03 -0500 Received: from maccvm.corp.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA01722; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 13:35:01 -0500 Received: from ilbe.mot.com by MACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 16 Aug 93 13:33:11 CDT Received: by ilbe.mot.com (5.65/1.6) id AA18313; Mon, 16 Aug 93 13:33:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 13:33:35 -0500 From: John_Lambrou-CJL008@email.mot.com To: eps@reed.edu (Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: Hotter audio out of the EPS Classic Message-Id: Greetings EPS users, Does anyone remember the specifics of a modification to the EPS Classic which increased the audio output level by 6 dB? This must have been over 3-4 years ago, and Ensoniq insisted that the mod be performed only by "authorized dealers," so no one (not even the Hacker) ever published the details. How about it, has the statute of limitations run out on this one? jl From telerama.pgh.pa.us!raver909 Mon Aug 16 14:10:49 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.231.221.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 14:10 PDT Received: by telerama.pgh.pa.us id AA15897 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Receipt Notification Requested ); Mon, 16 Aug 1993 17:10:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 17:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Maartists's 4x Memory Expander w/SCSI and 8x option To: John_Lambrou-CJL008@email.mot.com Cc: Receipt Notification Requested In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I bought my 4x expander is was described as above. There are a number of sockets on it and I know one is for the Maartists's SCSI interface. The other must be fore the 8x memory option. I would like to know if the 8x memory expansion ever materialized if not did some one think of a way to hack out the extra memory? Joe -<><><><><><><><><)-]187-Phat_Beats_For_Phat_Cities-(><><><><><><><><><><><>- | Sub.bass.Frequency.Percolator || ---------------------------------- From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Mon Aug 16 20:07:37 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 20:06 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <02989-0@pat.uio.no>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 05:06:29 +0200 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 05:06:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 05:06:27 +0200 Message-Id: <9308170306.AAfidibus26813@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad X-Sender: tgf@fidibus Subject: EPSm 0.01Dev35 EPSm Vers 0.01 Dev.35 is in ftp.reed.edu:/pub/eps/incoming/EPSm_package.sea. To know aboat updates - follow instructions - send your email adress. Terje From vines.urc.kun.nl!E.Roos%buro%KUN Mon Aug 16 23:55:50 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.174.82.170 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:55 PDT Message-Id: Received: by vines.urc.kun.nl with VINES ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 08:55:23 MET Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 08:50:06 MET From: E.Roos%buro%KUN@vines.urc.kun.nl Subject: EPS-book To: eps@reed.edu Cc: Bcc: Hi EPSers. In a Dutch magazine called "Midi Magazine" I read that there is a new book about the EPS 16+. It has about 250 pages. Does anyone know this book? Does it give more information on programming than the owners manual? Please let me know. Thanks. Eric From ee.WPI.EDU!wrm Tue Aug 17 06:41:48 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.215.16.20 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 06:41 PDT Received: by ee.WPI.EDU (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA15002; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 09:41:22 -0400 Received: by friskie.WPI.EDU (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23880; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 09:41:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9308171341.AA23880@friskie.WPI.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu From: William Michalson Subject: Reverse Engineering Disks Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 09:41:20 -0400 Sender: wrm@ee.WPI.EDU X-Mts: smtp Ok, I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that if I want to transfer Emulator II+ samples to my ASR/EPS I'll have to write the software to do it (of course I'll upload it). My next question is one of strategy. Since some of you have gone through the process of deciphering the format and content of EPS disks I suspect I can gain a leg up on a methodology for doing this on the Emulator. I'm not looking for "how to program" information since I'm by no means new to that game, but I am interested in how you take a foreign-formatted disk, in this case its 500Kb, 5 1/4", DSDD, and decrypt the directory structure and sample format. Also any information anyone has regarding the Emulator II+ would no doubt be helpful. In addition, since I'll probably convert files to .EFE format I need to know where (or if) that format is documented. Thanks in advance. Bill From SDSC.EDU!pauls Tue Aug 17 09:30:07 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.17.46.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 09:26 PDT Received: from bambam.sdsc.edu by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.8) id AA08787; Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:34:26 PDT Received: by bambam.sdsc.edu (920330.SGI/1.7-client) id AA17076; Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:34:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 23:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul FAuST!! Subject: Is it the software or is it me? To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've recently gotten a hold of the various disk utilities at ftp.reed.edu in order to be able to convert these soundfiles I make with another application called Csound. Csound puts out AIFF format, and I'm using aif2efe to convert it so that I may use epsdisk to play it on my 16+. When I get it on the EPS, it appears that it doesnt know where the ending of the sample is, because it continues playing whatever data is in memory immediately following the sample (actually, it sounds pretty kool). In addition, if I try to alter the location of the end of the sample, it wont let me. I'm pretty sure that the AIFF file being created is ok, because I also use SOX to in addition convert it into a .VOC file for my soundblaster card, and that plays ok. So...my question is...does the epsdisk utility have problems with sample length? What is it that I'm missing? +***********************************************+ = Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) = = San Diego Supercomputer Center = = Sonification Project = = pauls@sdsc.edu = =+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= = "Helping you to help me, to help myself." = =+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= From char.vnet.net!pauln Tue Aug 17 12:22:04 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.180.33.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 12:21 PDT Received: by char.vnet.net id AA08908 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Tue, 17 Aug 1993 15:22:15 -0400 From: Paul Noble Message-Id: <199308171922.AA08908@char.vnet.net> Subject: EPS archives To: eps@reed.edu Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 15:22:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 779 Hi everyone, I am rather new to the internet and to Ensoniq keyboards. I just bought a TS-10 about a month ago and I'm looking for EPS samples. I found ftp.reed.edu and there is a pretty good source there, however, I wondering if that is the only archive site for EPS.. I'm specifically looking for a decent piano sound (the ts-10 lacks a bit in that area as compaired to the vfx). I noticed refererences in DOC files to EPSxx disks. Are those the EPS library disks from ensonq? and if so what happened to all of them? I only saw 5 out of many more that were mentioned. Does anyone know if there is a mailing list or news group specifically for Ensoniq and/or especially the TS-10 available? Thanks in advance for taking pitty on a new user and helping me out. Paul Noble From uahis1.uah.edu!ebs330!claassen Wed Aug 18 11:21:55 1993 Return-Path: <@uahis1.uah.edu:claassen@ebs330> Received: from 146.229.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 18 Aug 93 11:21 PDT Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Wed, 18 Aug 93 13:21:13 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22446; Wed, 18 Aug 93 13:19:34 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9308181819.AA22446@ebs330> Subject: Weirdness with EPS-HD-MAC SCSI connection To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 13:19:31 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1402 I bought a 6 foot cable yesterday to give me some reach and hook up my Mac and EPS to the HD simultaneously. Except that when i had the 6 footer between the EPS and HD it gave disk error 011 and wouldn't boot. So i switched it and hooked the Mac on the long end. EPSm and scEPSi worked fine with it, the EPS worked fine with it too until i tried to load a bank. It crashed on one of the instruments. So i rebooted and tried to just load that one instrument. Hung again. So i resampled it and saved the new copy. Tried to load it and it hung again. Next, i loaded an instrument from disk and saved it to the HD and tried to load it. Wanna guess? Yeah, it hung. Suddenly the brilliant idea struck and i disconnected the Mac cable from the HD. All the files worked again. Imagine my relief. Still, this is fairly annoying, since i can't seem to use my Mac and EPS together. Is it the Mac, is it the overlength cable? Could the cable be wired funny? Anyone else have a similar problem? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From sics.se!alf Wed Aug 18 13:32:38 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.16.123.90 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 18 Aug 93 13:32 PDT Received: from anhur.sics.se by sics.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/SICS-1.4) with SMTP id AA12441; Wed, 18 Aug 93 22:32:08 +0200 Message-Id: <9308182032.AA12441@sics.se> To: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Cc: eps@reed.edu, alf@sics.se Subject: Re: Weirdness with EPS-HD-MAC SCSI connection In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1993 13:19:31 CDT." <9308181819.AA22446@ebs330> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 22:32:05 +0200 From: Thomas Sj|land I have tried to get this kind of a connection to work now and then with my MacIIsi, a HD40SC and an EPS classic with a 4X expansion unit, and it alwayes failed. I tried different lengths of cables, removing terminators on the mac's internal disk (a Fujitsu 170Mb unit) as well as on the external drive. After the last attempt the disk in the Mac is not reliable unless I connect the 40SC via SCSI, this despite the fact that I replaced the termination chip on the Fujitsu drive. It shows since the Mac OS intermittently considers the hard disk to be locked after rebooting. Various diagnostic software (Snooper, Silver Lining etc.) considered the system to be OK on those occasions when it rebbooted normally. Also trying to format the HD40SC with the EPS failed after this attempt. The command CHANGE STORAGE DEVICE gave INVALID DEVICE when trying to perform the formatting. Coming so far required that I had no termination on the 40SC, with the termination on the EPS did not display SCSI INSTALLED upon reboot... So currently I have a Mac connected to a HD40SC, but an EPS which stands here sadly on its own. Although it is still useful, it is rather annoying not to be able to connect it to the mac. Btw, on no occasion has the EPS been visible as a SCSI device (as the mac, the internal and external disk are when running e.g. the Silverlining program). Any ideas on what to do? Do people with SCSI-based equipment often have similar problems? From uahis1.uah.edu!ebs330!claassen Thu Aug 19 08:17:14 1993 Return-Path: <@uahis1.uah.edu:claassen@ebs330> Received: from 146.229.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 19 Aug 93 08:16 PDT Received: from ebs330 by uahis1.uah.edu with SMTP ; Thu, 19 Aug 93 09:57:47 CST Received: by ebs330 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00403; Thu, 19 Aug 93 09:56:03 CDT From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9308191456.AA00403@ebs330> Subject: Extracting AIFF with scEPSi To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 09:56:02 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 731 Anyone else have any luck with extracting AIFF files from layers of instruments with scEPSi? I tried it last night and it pretended to do so. Except that all files came across as 512 bytes. And the usual length of a sample was about 50 kb. I'm using the non OMS non FPU version 1.3.1, if that makes a difference. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . From ecn.purdue.edu!philip Thu Aug 19 15:06:53 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.128.59 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 19 Aug 93 15:06 PDT Received: by en.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA03129; Thu, 19 Aug 93 17:06:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 93 17:06:02 -0500 From: philip@ecn.purdue.edu (Philip E Nwokah) Message-Id: <9308192206.AA03129@en.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: subscribe Please add my name to the mailing list. Thanks, Phil Nwokah (philip@en.ecn.purdue.edu) From Dartmouth.EDU!Stephen.W.Berkley Thu Aug 19 23:18:36 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.170.16.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 19 Aug 93 23:17 PDT Received: from donner.dartmouth.edu by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.65+D5/4.5HUB) id AA28639; Fri, 20 Aug 93 02:17:26 -0400 Message-Id: <6210424@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 20 Aug 93 02:16:27 EDT From: Stephen.W.Berkley@Dartmouth.EDU (Stephen W. Berkley) Subject: scEPSi v1.3.2b To: eps@reed.edu scEPSi v1.3.2b is in ftp.reed.edu:/pub/eps/incoming/scEPSi.132b.sit.hqx -SB From HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU!LIETH Fri Aug 20 17:01:20 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.183.100.12 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 17:00 PDT Received: from HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU by HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (PMDF #3590 ) id <01H1ZB7TBO8G8WW7PE@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 19:59:29 EST Date: 20 Aug 1993 19:59:29 -0500 (EST) From: LIETH@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Subject: unsubscribe To: EPS@reed.edu Message-id: <01H1ZB7TBO8I8WW7PE@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> X-VMS-To: EPS MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Please take me off the mailing list Thank you. From cs.utexas.edu!dogface!metatron!joe Sat Aug 21 14:22:28 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.83.139.7 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 21 Aug 93 14:21 PDT Received: from im4u.cs.utexas.edu by deepthought.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.2/relay) with SMTP id AA03793; Sat, 21 Aug 93 16:21:51 -0500 Received: from dogface by im4u.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.22/uucp) with UUCP id AA28116; Sat, 21 Aug 93 16:21:14 -0500 Received: by dogface.austin.tx.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Sat, 21 Aug 93 16:08 CDT Received: by metatron.UUCP (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Sat, 21 Aug 93 16:11:45 CDT for eps@reed.edu To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Translating to/from Other Formats From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Reply-To: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Message-Id: <0iNN9B1w165w@metatron.UUCP> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 93 16:09:56 CDT Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX How can I convert samples from, for example, .WAV and .VOC format to be used on the EPS Classic? I haven't spotted anything that can do it, but I may well missed something. From harlequin.com!jimh Tue Aug 24 11:32:11 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.3.232.58 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 93 11:28 PDT Received: from epcot.harlequin.com by hilly.harlequin.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:29:05 -0400 Received: from euler.harlequin.com (euler) by epcot.harlequin.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:29:59 -0400 From: Jimmy Hanrahan Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:15:29 -0400 Message-Id: <15023.9308241715@euler.harlequin.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS16+ I have an EPS16+. I would like to be able to filter in an out sequences. I heard you folks may be able to help me with this. Also I would like to be able to convert samples from other sequencer vendors. Any info would be appreciated. Jimmy Hanrahan From psy.uwa.edu.au!scott Wed Aug 25 00:22:22 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 00:21 PDT Received: from wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA27143; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 17:20:38 +1000 (from scott@psy.uwa.edu.au) Received: by psy.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04559; Wed, 25 Aug 93 15:18:50 WST Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 15:18:50 WST From: scott@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9308250718.AA04559@psy.uwa.edu.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Sound Card Greetings Ensoniq-Lovers _0 I was just wondering how the new sound-card for the PC is comming along? Sales? Performance? Has anyone seen/heard it yet? Regards Scott _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ERE.UMontreal.CA!dionf Wed Aug 25 08:09:17 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.204.2.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 08:09 PDT Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA04105 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Wed, 25 Aug 1993 11:06:56 -0400 Received: from brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA22476; Wed, 25 Aug 93 11:06:54 -0400 Received: by brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA11302; Wed, 25 Aug 93 11:06:53 -0400 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Message-Id: <9308251506.AA11302@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: Sound Card To: scott@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott Fisher) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 11:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9308250718.AA04559@psy.uwa.edu.au> from "Scott Fisher" at Aug 25, 93 03:18:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1077 Beyond the ultraworld of Scott Fisher: > > I was just wondering how the new sound-card for the PC is comming along? > Sales? Performance? Has anyone seen/heard it yet? Ensoniq has stated that they will not produce a soundcard for PC. However, they sell a chipset called Soundscape to companies to make PC soundcards. Note that the Gravis Ultrasound uses a GF1/ICS chip which is close to the chip found in the EPS-16+. It however can only have 1 meg RAM. There is also the rumored Turtle Beach Maui which will be able to have 8 meg RAM, but it is still vapourware as not even developpers can have this board. All the other boards use ROM (the Audio Master by RTM also has RAM, but can acces a maximum of 768Kb). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From SDSC.EDU!pauls Wed Aug 25 09:02:54 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.17.46.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 09:02 PDT Received: from cruella.sdsc.edu by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.8) id AA01852; Wed, 25 Aug 93 09:02:58 PDT Received: by cruella.sdsc.edu (920330.SGI/1.7-client) id AA10517; Wed, 25 Aug 93 09:02:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 08:58:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul FAuST!! Subject: aif2efe...efe2aif???? To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been very pleased with the executables that you guys have written (or have just made available) for allowing me to pass samples from my PC to my EPS16+...but I was wondering if there was a program out there that takes the EPS .efe format and turns it into .AIFF. I guess this question is most diected at Terje being that he wrote aif2efe (I think!!!) Would anybody else like to see such code? +******************************************************************************+ = Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) = = San Diego Supercomputer Center = = Sonification Project = = pauls@sdsc.edu = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= = "Helping you to help me, to help myself." = =++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= From natinst.com!radian!jlange Thu Aug 26 12:06:11 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.164.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 12:05 PDT Received: from radian.UUCP by natinst.com with UUCP id AA04761 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Thu, 26 Aug 1993 14:05:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199308261905.AA04761@natinst.com> Received: by zippy.radian.com (16.8/16.2) id AA16210; Thu, 26 Aug 93 13:56:18 -0500 From: John Lange Subject: Re: PCs and MIDI To: alan@msc.edu Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 13:56:15 CDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9308102141.AA01213@af.msc.edu>; from "msc.edu!alan" at Aug 10, 93 4:41 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] I apologize if this gets to everyone twice - I'm not sure the addressing is correct. I'm including all of the initial posting since it has been a while since it was originally posted. > > There was a recent issue of Transoniq Hacker that discussed the trials > and tribulations of a PC hacker who tried to coax his EPS to talk to > a Pro-Audio Spectrum sound card. He found that the PC was dropping > incoming MIDI bytes if they arrived too quickly, such as when recording > multitimberal sequences or dumping wavesamples. > > I encountered the same problem, not only with the PAS-16, but also the > Sound Blaster and the Sound Blaster Pro. It happened regardless of > the application: Voyetra Sequencer Plus Gold, WinJammer, CakeWalk > for Windows, and MidiSoft all dropped bytes. This made my wavesample > dumps useless. Were all these applications Windows based?? That would explain a lot. Did you try running Windows in both 386-enhanced mode and standard mode on the 386-33? If you tried this you probably found that the applications worked better (but still not foolproof) with Windows standard mode. (Standard mode is typically started by running "WIN/S" at the command rather than the default "WIN"). > > At first I thought it was because my CPU lacked enough horsepower, > being only a lowly 33Mhz 386. So I reluctantly put down the bucks > to upgrade to a 66Mhz 486DX2. I reassembled the PC and tried dumping > a wavesample, and damn if it didn't still drop those bytes again! I > was ready to commit unspeakable acts of violence to my PC, when the > copy of TH arrived in the mail. "Get a MQX-32" it says. Heck, I've > already blown a grand, what not go all the way? A week later I get > the MQX-32, pop it in, and it works like a dream, even on the 386. > > Conclusion: don't go cheap on your MIDI card. > I haven't seen this TH article, but my guess is that the MQX-32 offers a buffered UART rather than a single byte buffer like the less expensive cards. Windows can easily lock out interrupts for over 1 msec in 386 enhanced mode. Even in standard mode, high throughput serial communication (9600 baud or greater) such as MIDI is not reliable enough in Windows for professional work (IMHO). I believe PROCOMM for Windows and other high speed comm packages for Windows require a 550 UART which has a 16 byte buffer. Even then, moving too many windows or even moving the mouse in some instances could lose characters. > The real problem is that the manufacturers of `multimedia' cards don't take > MIDI seriously. Instead they concentrate all their efforts on creating > whizzo features for the DSP sounds ("poly-duo-multitimberal, now with 32 > envelopes and tint control!"), while doing the bare minimum required > to get MIDI working good enough to pass to the MPC conformance > tests. In particular, the programmers who wrote the device drivers > for these cards never tested them to see if they can receive a MIDI > stream full bore at 30000 bps. They probably plinked a few keys on > the shop Casio and say "yep, it works", and shipped it out. > 30000 bps (3333 cps) is impossibly fast for Windows. If you get 2000 cps out of Windows you're doing very good. It's not the fault of the device driver writers - they are doing what they are supposed to. Nor should it take a 66 MHz 486 to get this kind of performance. A 20 MHz 386 can easily process 30000 bps worth of most any serial stream. Windows is the problem. It locks out hardware interrupts for unacceptably long periods of time, which wreaks havoc on all high speed communications. Don't expect things to get better with Windows NT either. NT will be MUCH MUCH worse. NT is much more of a computer hog than Windows 3.1. Part of the problem is the virtualization of all hardware in enhanced mode. Another part of the problem is that Windows tries to simultaneously support multiple CPU modes (ie, protected, and virtual86) so that interrupt handling becomes terribly complex and very slow. I could go on, but you probably get my point by now. > If you are serious about MIDI and PCs, my heartful advice is: forget the > multimedia cards. Get a high-end professional MIDI card, like a > MidiQuest MQX-32 or a Voyetra. As a bonus, you'll get SMPTE and chase > lock sync too. This is pretty good advice, but a better operating environment would help too. > > -Al, a slightly battered and bruised PC MIDI hacker > > Good luck, John (an angry young programmer - speaking for myself only) CONSENSYS UNIX: John Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com) C = Chinchy N = NO... Radian Corp. O = Obnoxious S = ...SUPPORT!!! (512)454-4797 N = NO... Y = Yoyos Box 201088 S = ...SUPPORT!!! S = Shit, I wish I'd Austin, TX 78720-1088 E = Errors abound bought anything else From msc.edu!alan Thu Aug 26 12:49:01 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 137.66.12.254 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 12:47 PDT Received: from af.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA19141; Thu, 26 Aug 93 14:46:28 -0500 Received: by af.msc.edu (5.57/MSC/v3.0(901107)) id AA04528; Thu, 26 Aug 93 14:46:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 14:46:26 -0500 From: alan@msc.edu Message-Id: <9308261946.AA04528@af.msc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu, radian!jlange@natinst.com Subject: Re: PCs and MIDI >> I encountered the same problem, not only with the PAS-16, but also the >> Sound Blaster and the Sound Blaster Pro. It happened regardless of >> the application: Voyetra Sequencer Plus Gold, WinJammer, CakeWalk >> for Windows, and MidiSoft all dropped bytes. This made my wavesample >> dumps useless. > >Were all these applications Windows based?? Bytes were dropped with the DOS apps also (Cakewalk/DOS and Voyetra Seq+), even on a `stripped' configuration with no TSRs except the bare minimum. >I haven't seen this TH article, but my guess is that the MQX-32 offers >a buffered UART rather than a single byte buffer like the less >expensive cards. I think you hit the nail on the head. A hardware FIFO buffer is mandatory when working with a fast MIDI device on a PC. MIDI cards MIDI cards with FIFO without FIFO ---------- ------------ MQX-32 Sound Blaster 1.5 V-24m Sound Blaster Pro Other 100% Pro Audio 16 MPU401 compatibles -Al From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Thu Aug 26 14:00:12 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 15.254.48.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 13:59 PDT Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by hpfcla.fc.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA12754; Thu, 26 Aug 93 14:49:52 -0600 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (1.37.109.4/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA04384; Thu, 26 Aug 93 14:51:12 -0600 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9308262051.AA04384@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: PCs and MIDI To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 14:51:11 MDT In-Reply-To: <9308261946.AA04528@af.msc.edu>; from "alan@msc.edu" at Aug 26, 93 2:46 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] > > I think you hit the nail on the head. A hardware FIFO buffer is > mandatory when working with a fast MIDI device on a PC. > > MIDI cards MIDI cards > with FIFO without FIFO > ---------- ------------ > MQX-32 Sound Blaster 1.5 > V-24m Sound Blaster Pro > Other 100% Pro Audio 16 > MPU401 compatibles > > -Al > Does anybody know about the Sound Blaster ASP 16? They advertise it to be MPU401 compatible, but I believe they specify 'UART Mode'... whatever that is, I figure anything that does MIDI uses a UART. Anyway, I was wondering whether or not to shell out $70 for their silly joystick/MIDI connector, or to go ahead and put that money down on a real MIDI card. Looks like the choice will probably be a MIDI card. What kind of prices can one expect to pay for a 'real' MIDI card? The sync stuff would probably make it worth the extra though... =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From microsoft.com!bartoszm Thu Aug 26 17:37:42 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.107.1.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 17:37 PDT Received: by netmail.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA26107; Thu, 26 Aug 93 17:35:43 -0700 Message-Id: <9308270035.AA26107@netmail.microsoft.com> X-Msmail-Message-Id: 1184B11C X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 1184B11C From: Bartosz Milewski To: alan@msc.edu, radian!jlange@natinst.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 17:33:47 TZ Subject: Re: PCs and MIDI Cc: eps@reed.edu I am forwarding some of the replies I got from my collegues from Microsoft (where, as you might know, Windows NT operating system was created). Bartosz ---------- He's talking about DOS emulation under NT. I mean, you can't just take your Windows device drivers and have them run under NT. That doesn't work. However, NT will be a fine midi platform; much better than the Mac from an interrupt handling point of view. It will suffer for some time from the lack of device drivers, though. ---------- NT is a beautiful architecture for this kind of thing. The device driver writer would schedule what is known as a DPC (Deferred procedure call) in response to a hardware interrupt. So the actual code that runs in response to a hardware interrupt is: in al, mov byte ptr [safe place], al The DPC, which is scheduled at a much lower priority (read as much lower interrupt level), can leisurely dequeue the characters from safe place (a buffer), and cater to the whims and fancies of virtual device drivers and their cousins. There is very, very, little scope of losing characters, unless the CPU you have can't run the few instructions above without losing an interrupt. ---------- More precisely, :-) NT is extremely efficient at comm, esp. with a buffered UART (which the serial driver supports and enables by default). A 486 can easily handle two ports going full speed at 38.k kbps or even faster. ---------- ---------- | From: John Lange | To: | Cc: | Subject: Re: PCs and MIDI | Date: Thursday, August 26, 1993 1:56PM | | Received: from reed.edu by netmail.microsoft.com with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) | id AA03681; Thu, 26 Aug 93 12:41:20 -0700 | Received: from 130.164.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) | id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 12:05 PDT | Received: from radian.UUCP by natinst.com with UUCP id AA04761 | (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Thu, 26 Aug 1993 14:05:41 -0500 | Message-Id: <199308261905.AA04761@natinst.com> | Received: by zippy.radian.com | (16.8/16.2) id AA16210; Thu, 26 Aug 93 13:56:18 -0500 | In-Reply-To: <9308102141.AA01213@af.msc.edu>; from "msc.edu!alan" at Aug 10, 93 4:41 pm | Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] | | I apologize if this gets to everyone twice - I'm not sure the addressing | is correct. I'm including all of the initial posting since it has been | a while since it was originally posted. | | > | > There was a recent issue of Transoniq Hacker that discussed the trials | > and tribulations of a PC hacker who tried to coax his EPS to talk to | > a Pro-Audio Spectrum sound card. He found that the PC was dropping | > incoming MIDI bytes if they arrived too quickly, such as when recording | > multitimberal sequences or dumping wavesamples. | > | > I encountered the same problem, not only with the PAS-16, but also the | > Sound Blaster and the Sound Blaster Pro. It happened regardless of | > the application: Voyetra Sequencer Plus Gold, WinJammer, CakeWalk | > for Windows, and MidiSoft all dropped bytes. This made my wavesample | > dumps useless. | | Were all these applications Windows based?? That would explain a lot. | Did you try running Windows in both 386-enhanced mode and standard | mode on the 386-33? If you tried this you probably found that the | applications worked better (but still not foolproof) with Windows | standard mode. (Standard mode is typically started by running "WIN/S" | at the command rather than the default "WIN"). | | > | > At first I thought it was because my CPU lacked enough horsepower, | > being only a lowly 33Mhz 386. So I reluctantly put down the bucks | > to upgrade to a 66Mhz 486DX2. I reassembled the PC and tried dumping | > a wavesample, and damn if it didn't still drop those bytes again! I | > was ready to commit unspeakable acts of violence to my PC, when the | > copy of TH arrived in the mail. "Get a MQX-32" it says. Heck, I've | > already blown a grand, what not go all the way? A week later I get | > the MQX-32, pop it in, and it works like a dream, even on the 386. | > | > Conclusion: don't go cheap on your MIDI card. | > | | I haven't seen this TH article, but my guess is that the MQX-32 offers | a buffered UART rather than a single byte buffer like the less | expensive cards. Windows can easily lock out interrupts for over 1 msec | in 386 enhanced mode. Even in standard mode, high throughput serial | communication (9600 baud or greater) such as MIDI is not reliable enough | in Windows for professional work (IMHO). I believe PROCOMM for Windows | and other high speed comm packages for Windows require a 550 UART which | has a 16 byte buffer. Even then, moving too many windows or even moving | the mouse in some instances could lose characters. | | > The real problem is that the manufacturers of `multimedia' cards don't take | > MIDI seriously. Instead they concentrate all their efforts on creating | > whizzo features for the DSP sounds ("poly-duo-multitimberal, now with 32 | > envelopes and tint control!"), while doing the bare minimum required | > to get MIDI working good enough to pass to the MPC conformance | > tests. In particular, the programmers who wrote the device drivers | > for these cards never tested them to see if they can receive a MIDI | > stream full bore at 30000 bps. They probably plinked a few keys on | > the shop Casio and say "yep, it works", and shipped it out. | > | 30000 bps (3333 cps) is impossibly fast for Windows. If you get 2000 cps | out of Windows you're doing very good. It's not the fault of the device | driver writers - they are doing what they are supposed to. Nor should | it take a 66 MHz 486 to get this kind of performance. A 20 MHz 386 can | easily process 30000 bps worth of most any serial stream. Windows is | the problem. It locks out hardware interrupts for unacceptably long | periods of time, which wreaks havoc on all high speed communications. | Don't expect things to get better with Windows NT either. NT will be | MUCH MUCH worse. NT is much more of a computer hog than Windows 3.1. | Part of the problem is the virtualization of all hardware in enhanced | mode. Another part of the problem is that Windows tries to | simultaneously support multiple CPU modes (ie, protected, and virtual86) | so that interrupt handling becomes terribly complex and very slow. I | could go on, but you probably get my point by now. | | > If you are serious about MIDI and PCs, my heartful advice is: forget the | > multimedia cards. Get a high-end professional MIDI card, like a | > MidiQuest MQX-32 or a Voyetra. As a bonus, you'll get SMPTE and chase | > lock sync too. | | This is pretty good advice, but a better operating environment would | help too. | | > | > -Al, a slightly battered and bruised PC MIDI hacker | > | > | Good luck, | | John (an angry young programmer - speaking for myself only) | | CONSENSYS UNIX: | John Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com) C = Chinchy N = NO... | Radian Corp. O = Obnoxious S = ...SUPPORT!!! | (512)454-4797 N = NO... Y = Yoyos | Box 201088 S = ...SUPPORT!!! S = Shit, I wish I'd | Austin, TX 78720-1088 E = Errors abound bought anything else | | From genesis.nred.ma.us!djkc Fri Aug 27 02:42:03 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.197.8.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 93 02:41 PDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.19) id AA09085; Fri, 27 Aug 93 05:41:19 -0400 Received: by genesis.nred.ma.us (5.51/genesis0.0) id AA03965; Fri, 27 Aug 93 05:39:13 19 From: djkc@genesis.nred.ma.us (James Henderson) Message-Id: <9308270939.AA03965@genesis.nred.ma.us> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE To: eps@reed.edu, eps-request@reed.edu Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 05:39:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 32 UNSUBSCRIBE please! :) -djkc From uafhp.uark.edu!pstaffor Fri Aug 27 09:01:51 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.184.7.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 93 09:01 PDT Received: by uafhp.uark.edu (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA29447; Fri, 27 Aug 93 10:59:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 10:55:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Stafford Subject: Re: PCs and MIDI To: Kelly Larson Cc: EPS Mailing List In-Reply-To: <9308262051.AA04384@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Aug 1993, Kelly Larson wrote: > > > > I think you hit the nail on the head. A hardware FIFO buffer is > > mandatory when working with a fast MIDI device on a PC. > > > > MIDI cards MIDI cards > > with FIFO without FIFO > > ---------- ------------ > > MQX-32 Sound Blaster 1.5 > > V-24m Sound Blaster Pro > > Other 100% Pro Audio 16 > > MPU401 compatibles > > > > -Al Does anyone know if the 7 year old MPU-401 in my computer has FIFO? Also how does the computer/sampler know which midi card to use if one has a ProAudio 16 and an MPU-401 in the same computer. Lastly why can I not access the sounds within the PAS16 from my EPS. MidiMapper is set correctly but I cannot play the PAS16 live from my keyboard. Phillip From natinst.com!radian!jlange Fri Aug 27 11:50:25 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.164.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 93 11:50 PDT Received: from radian.UUCP by natinst.com with UUCP id AA27217 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Fri, 27 Aug 1993 13:49:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199308271849.AA27217@natinst.com> Received: by zippy.radian.com (16.8/16.2) id AA02209; Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:58:47 -0500 From: John Lange Subject: Re: PCs and MIDI To: bartoszm@microsoft.com (Bartosz Milewski) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:58:46 CDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9308270035.AA26107@netmail.microsoft.com>; from "Bartosz Milewski" at Aug 26, 93 5:33 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] Greetings again, fellow EPS users, This is turning into more of a Windows thread than an EPS thread, so if there are more replies after this, I will send my followups directly to the sender(s) of those postings. Skip this message if you're not interested in why MIDI won't work well in Windows NT. > I am forwarding some of the replies I got from my collegues from > Microsoft (where, as you might know, Windows NT operating system was created). > Bartosz > ---------- > He's talking about DOS emulation under NT. > > I mean, you can't just take your Windows device drivers and have them > run under NT. That doesn't work. Actually, I was talking about either method, ie a DOS emulation under NT, a native Windows NT device driver in NT, or a native Windows 3.1 device driver in 3.1. They all have the same inherent problems (ie virtualized hardware and nondeterministic interrupt latency among other things). > > However, NT will be a fine midi platform; much better than the Mac from > an interrupt handling point of view. It will suffer for some time from > the lack of device drivers, though. This is a pie in the sky statement - typical of the Microsoft mind set. Basically, I'll believe it when I see it. > ---------- > NT is a beautiful architecture for this kind of thing. The > device driver writer would schedule what is known as a DPC > (Deferred procedure call) in response to a hardware interrupt. > So the actual code that runs in response to a hardware > interrupt is: > > in al, > mov byte ptr [safe place], al > > > The DPC, which is scheduled at a much lower priority (read as > much lower interrupt level), can leisurely dequeue the characters > from safe place (a buffer), and cater to the whims and fancies of > virtual device drivers and their cousins. > > There is very, very, little scope of losing characters, unless > the CPU you have can't run the few instructions above without > losing an interrupt. A beautiful architecture? Give me a break. I'm sure the Microsoft Propaganda Committee would love to have us all believe this. I, for one, do not. Several clues to why MIDI won't work well in NT are given above. Deferring processing of the serial stream can work, but don't forget about CPU mode switching and I/O priviledge overhead in NT, as well as the overhead of the virtualized PIC, and the long latency associated with other drivers, such as the mouse driver. Hardware interrupts will fill whatever buffer you give it. It will quickly fall behind and possibly lose characters, and in some cases hang up the hardware IRQ entirely (I've seen this happen with 3.1). In general, you can't delay MIDI interrupts very long at all because of the inherent real-time nature of the data. Virtual device drivers have a HUGE amount of code and processing overhead associated with CPU mode switching and the requirement of supporting multiple interrupt entry points for the different CPU modes as well as other things. > ---------- > More precisely, :-) NT is extremely efficient at comm, esp. with a > buffered UART (which the serial driver supports and enables by > default). A 486 can easily handle two ports going full speed at 38.k > kbps or even faster. > ---------- OKEY DOKE, whatever you say. I'll wait till I actually see NT working before I rush out to buy my copy. This level of performance should be easy for a 386 20MHz with 1 MB of memory. Let's see NT do that. BTW, any OS will be more efficient with a buffered UART relative to a non-buffered UART. Cheers, John (an angry young [not that young] programmer - speaking for myself only) CONSENSYS UNIX: John Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com) C = Chinchy N = NO... Radian Corp. O = Obnoxious S = ...SUPPORT!!! (512)454-4797 N = NO... Y = Yoyos Box 201088 S = ...SUPPORT!!! S = Shit, I wish I'd Austin, TX 78720-1088 E = Errors abound bought anything else (and Windows NT too) From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Sat Aug 28 09:28:55 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 28 Aug 93 09:28 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <25098-0@pat.uio.no>; Sat, 28 Aug 1993 18:28:42 +0200 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Sat, 28 Aug 1993 18:28:39 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 18:28:39 +0200 Message-Id: <9308281628.AAfidibus01766@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad X-Sender: tgf@fidibus Subject: Re: aif2efe...efe2aif???? Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) wrote: >I've been very pleased with the executables that you guys have written (or >have just made available) for allowing me to pass samples from my PC to >my EPS16+...but I was wondering if there was a program out there that >takes the EPS .efe format and turns it into .AIFF. > >I guess this question is most diected at Terje being that he wrote aif2efe >(I think!!!) > "aif2efe.exe" was made so that PC/IBM-clone gals/guys could acess the huge archive of samples stored in AIFF format on ftp.reed.edu without having to buy any programs. I made it cause no one else did. I don't see why there is a need for PC guys to store samples as aiff files, and I don't see why _I should write such a program. I can tell you why I won't do it and what you perhaps could do instead. I take the last issue first. There exist a utility at the ftp site called "INSTEDIT.EXE" written by Michael Chen. It let you save all the waves within an instrument as raw data. Maybe you can use that?. May be you can then use SOX to convert to whatever else you need? ( The only use for AIFF files for PC guys I could think of is for source files in csound?.) INSTEDIT is the first fruits of Michaels project to write a sample editor for the EPS ( w. monitoring on a GUS card ) May be if guys would pay him a little shareware fee for EPSDisk he could afford the $87 for the Samplevision editor and could rather write some samplevision file conversion things? ( Some people cannot afford both a MIDI card and SampleVision so they could use disks and files to transfer back and forth between the PC and EPS, I've heard SOX ignores loop points for sample vision files.. so ) None of my business, I know. I won't write the suggested software cause.. I mostly see what you suggest; "efe2aif", as a utility that benefits sound card owners mostly. Not primarily EPS users. The EPS ptp archive is a large attractive resource of good samples for soundcard people if they can load them. Magazines tell there are a lot of soundcard owners. I don't want to invite those to a party when I'm only a guest myself. My concern is about the capacity of the ftp site, the hazzle the traffic may create there and the abuses that may occurr. Surely one can apply similar arguments aboat storing aiff files in the archive as well. Maybe my reservations are not at all a matter of concern for the owners of the ftp site, ..maybe the deeper psychological reason is that I hate soundcard people because they make me feel silly having shelled out $5000 for my EPS and I'm afraid they can have something equally good for around $100. On the other hand, I feel sympathy towards EPS users because together with them I don't feel stupid beyond the normal for having been fooled to buy this sampler. Also not unimportant, I don't own any PC's and don't have easy acess to one. Although I'm very happy about that.:-) Ha det Terje From egr.msu.edu!reed Mon Aug 30 13:53:46 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 35.8.8.61 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 13:53 PDT Received: from frith.egr.msu.edu by egr.msu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA03161; Mon, 30 Aug 93 16:52:59 -0400 Received: by frith.egr.msu.edu (5.61/SMI-4.0) id AA06977; Mon, 30 Aug 93 16:52:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 93 16:52:56 -0400 From: reed@egr.msu.edu Message-Id: <9308302052.AA06977@frith.egr.msu.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Please Add me! please add reed@egr.msu.edu to your distribution list, thanks! From UNCA.EDU!NILAN Mon Aug 30 17:21:31 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 152.18.1.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 17:21 PDT Received: from UNCA.EDU by UNCA.EDU (PMDF V4.2-13 #3902) id <01H2DATJG9DS94EHCU@UNCA.EDU>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:19:23 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:19:23 -0400 (EDT) From: NILAN@UNCA.EDU Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01H2DATJGSOI94EHCU@UNCA.EDU> Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT UNSUBSCRIBE or some-such thing (delete) From verity.com!jboyd Mon Aug 30 18:21:03 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.187.143.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 18:20 PDT Received: from tahiti (tahiti.verity.com) by verity.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17130; Mon, 30 Aug 93 18:21:09 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 93 18:21:09 PDT From: jboyd@verity.com (John Boyd) Message-Id: <9308310121.AA17130@verity.com> Errors-To: To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: aif2efe...efe2aif | Paul Skibitzke (P. FAuST) wrote: | >I've been very pleased with the executables that you guys have written (or | >have just made available) for allowing me to pass samples from my PC to | >my EPS16+...but I was wondering if there was a program out there that | >takes the EPS .efe format and turns it into .AIFF. | > | >I guess this question is most diected at Terje being that he wrote aif2efe | >(I think!!!) | > | | "aif2efe.exe" was made so that PC/IBM-clone gals/guys could acess the huge | archive of samples stored in AIFF format on ftp.reed.edu without having to | buy any programs. I made it cause no one else did. Cool, sounds great. Who compiled this for the PC though? (below you stated that you don't use PC's) | | I don't see why there is a need for PC guys to store samples as aiff files, | and I don't see why _I should write such a program. I can tell you why I | won't do it and what you perhaps could do instead. I take the last issue | first. I've no plans of storing AIFF files as some sort of archive standard, I'm just trying to bridge some utilities that use AIFF (ex SOX). | | There exist a utility at the ftp site called "INSTEDIT.EXE" written by | Michael Chen. It let you save all the waves within an instrument as raw | data. Maybe you can use that?. May be you can then use SOX to convert to | whatever else you need? ( The only use for AIFF files for PC guys I could | think of is for source files in csound?.) INSTEDIT is the first fruits of | Michaels project to write a sample editor for the EPS ( w. monitoring on a | GUS card ) May be if guys would pay him a little shareware fee for EPSDisk | he could afford the $87 for the Samplevision editor and could rather write | some samplevision file conversion things? ( Some people cannot afford both | a MIDI card and SampleVision so they could use disks and files to transfer | back and forth between the PC and EPS, I've heard SOX ignores loop points | for sample vision files.. so ) None of my business, I know. | Ok, I'll definitely look into this "INSTEDIT.EXE" to bridge the gap. Perhaps, you are right. But I don't own a sound board at all, I'm using the Disney Sound Source (parallel sound device) to preview sounds from the PC. After that it goes straight to the EPS via your utilities. The original sound comes from Csound right now (no sampling abilities are available to me whatsoever). | I won't write the suggested software cause.. | | I mostly see what you suggest; "efe2aif", as a utility that benefits sound | card owners mostly. Not primarily EPS users. The EPS ptp archive is a | large attractive resource of good samples for soundcard people if they can | load them. Magazines tell there are a lot of soundcard owners. I don't | want to invite those to a party when I'm only a guest myself. My concern | is about the capacity of the ftp site, the hazzle the traffic may create | there and the abuses that may occurr. Surely one can apply similar | arguments aboat storing aiff files in the archive as well. | I see your point but both Paul and I are rabid EPS users (as the end product). I'm just trying to do processing on EPS samples in the computer, then be able to put it back. The DOS platform just so happens to be most compatible with the EPS disk drive. (I'd rather do everything in UNIX if I could) | Maybe my reservations are not at all a matter of concern for the owners of | the ftp site, ..maybe the deeper psychological reason is that I hate | soundcard people because they make me feel silly having shelled out $5000 | for my EPS and I'm afraid they can have something equally good for around | $100. On the other hand, I feel sympathy towards EPS users because | together with them I don't feel stupid beyond the normal for having been | fooled to buy this sampler. | Yeah but most soundcard folks can't hook up a nice touch sensitive keyboard to it. My goal is to creat interesting top qualitity samples for my EPS using whatever tools are available. I'm not happy just with what the EPS has to offer (as far as editing capabilities go). With Csound I can emulate any type of synthesis aside from sampling. But if I can import samples (voice etc) then I can add them into the sample and do things like phase-vocoding. Then transfer them back to the EPS and also into our ftp site at REED. | Also not unimportant, I don't own any PC's and don't have easy acess to | one. Although I'm very happy about that.:-) | | Ha det | Terje touche John Boyd From cwis.unomaha.edu!skyhawk Mon Aug 30 18:36:01 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 137.48.1.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 18:35 PDT Received: by cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA21740; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:35:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:35:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Chad Vice Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE To: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <01H2DATJGSOI94EHCU@UNCA.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII please take me off the list... thanks. ______________________________________ :^\ ______ . | Chad Vice (AOPA 01127947) | |__`\________-'__:__;\___| | Private Pilot -- ASEL |________`\_ cessna |) | Instrument Airplane | `~~~~~~~~~---\\---\|-'| `--------------------------------------' (o) (o) From char.vnet.net!pauln Mon Aug 30 20:21:46 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 198.180.33.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 20:21 PDT Received: by char.vnet.net id AA18453 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Mon, 30 Aug 1993 23:21:49 -0400 From: Paul Noble Message-Id: <199308310321.AA18453@char.vnet.net> Subject: Piano Sample TS-10 (EPS) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 23:21:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 573 Although I am quite happy with my TS-10 overall, I am noy exactly thrilled with the acoustic piano sound that is in it. (sure wish ensoniq would have kept the mega piano waves that were in the VFXSD) I have tried the ones at reed and I have the bosendorfer disks and I'm not real thrilled with those either. I understand that there is a Steinway Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 93 02:19 PDT Received: from wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA10946; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 15:12:47 +1000 (from scott@psy.uwa.edu.au) Received: by psy.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17658; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:11:01 WST Date: Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:11:01 WST From: scott@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9308310511.AA17658@psy.uwa.edu.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Piano Sounds >From pauln@char.vnet.net Tue Aug 31 12:22:39 1993 To: eps@reed.edu Although I am quite happy with my TS-10 overall, I am noy exactly thrilled with the acoustic piano sound that is in it. (sure wish ensoniq would have kept the mega piano waves that were in the VFXSD) I have tried the ones at reed and I have the bosendorfer disks and I'm not real thrilled with those either. I understand that there is a Steinway *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From verity.com!jboyd Tue Aug 31 09:18:55 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.187.143.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 93 09:18 PDT Received: from tahiti (tahiti.verity.com) by verity.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19839; Tue, 31 Aug 93 09:19:16 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 93 09:19:16 PDT From: jboyd@verity.com (John Boyd) Message-Id: <9308311619.AA19839@verity.com> Errors-To: To: eps@reed.edu, wrm@ee.WPI.EDU Subject: Re: aif2efe...efe2aif, epswrite | >Yeah but most soundcard folks can't hook up a nice touch sensitive keyboard | >to it. My goal is to creat interesting top qualitity samples for my EPS | >using whatever tools are available. I'm not happy just with what the | >EPS has to offer (as far as editing capabilities go). With Csound I | >can emulate any type of synthesis aside from sampling. But if I can | >import samples (voice etc) then I can add them into the sample and | >do things like phase-vocoding. Then transfer them back to the EPS and | >also into our ftp site at REED. | This implies that you have Csound running on the PC. Where did you | obtain a copy? I'd personally be interested in doing the same thing. | It shouldn't be too hard to write the converter you are looking for, I'd | give it whack myself, but realistically I won't have time till December :-(. | | Bill Yes, Csound and pvoc are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.bath.ac.uk in the pub/jpff directory. You'll also want to obtain a copy of sox7dos.zip for doing file conversions and also Terje's program aif2efe.exe. Note that Csound can output 16 bit AIFF files by itself. I'm also quite interested in getting the specs for AIFF files. Terje mentions the program "INSTEDIT.EXE" by Michael Chen that can turn EFE files into raw. Perhaps it won't be too difficult to get efe2aif if I can find out the header information for AIFF files (hint, hint). While I'm here, does anyone know if the epsdisk utility can write EFE files that take multiple disks? All for now. Glad to see that there are others with similar interests.... John Boyd John Boyd, Technical Support E-mail: jboyd@verity.com Verity, Inc., 1550 Plymouth Office: 415.960.7750 Mtn View, CA 94043-1230 Fax : 415.960.7698 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Support Hot-Line: 415-960-7691 E-mail: tech-support@verity.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Tue Aug 31 10:36:11 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.60.2.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 93 10:35 PDT Received: from [128.60.2.151] (manimac.itd.nrl.navy.mil) by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23978; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:35:49 EDT Message-Id: <9308311735.AA23978@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 13:36:25 -0500 To: eps@reed.edu From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Subject: Re: aif2efe...efe2aif, epswrite I've got a pretty dumb but workable program which converts binary files with 'raw' sixteen bit samples into AIFF files ... I have the source in ADA & the binary for a Sun 4. One caveat ... It's pretty lame code ... I think I enter the sample rate manually in the source code for some reason. (I wrote this a few years back) .. but it may be useful if you want to do your own code ... ADA is fairly readable. If I have time, I could probably whip out some C source pretty quick ... but may be you have more time sooner. > Terje mentions the program "INSTEDIT.EXE" >by Michael Chen that can turn EFE files into raw. Perhaps it won't be too >difficult to get efe2aif if I can find out the header information for AIFF >files (hint, hint). > >John Boyd Let me know if you're interested in this source. - Brian Adamson adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil Code 5523 Naval Research Laboratory Washington, DC 20375 From mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU!conway Tue Aug 31 18:20:02 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.22 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 93 18:19 PDT Received: from mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50); id AA25040 Wed, 1 Sep 1993 11:19:43 +1000 (from conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU) Received: by mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (920110.SGI) id AA23217; Wed, 1 Sep 93 11:19:41 +1000 From: conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Thomas Charles CONWAY) Message-Id: <9309010119.23217@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Piano Sample TS-10 (EPS) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 11:19:37 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Forwarded message: > From pauln@char.vnet.net Tue Aug 31 13:37:06 1993 > From: Paul Noble > Message-Id: <199308310321.AA18453@char.vnet.net> > Subject: Piano Sample TS-10 (EPS) > To: eps@reed.edu > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 23:21:49 -0400 (EDT) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 573 > > Although I am quite happy with my TS-10 overall, I am noy exactly thrilled > with the acoustic piano sound that is in it. (sure wish ensoniq would > have kept the mega piano waves that were in the VFXSD) I have tried the ones > at reed and I have the bosendorfer disks and I'm not real thrilled with > those either. I understand that there is a Steinway sample that is supposed to be pretty good. Does any one on this mail list > know if it is any good and where I might be able to get my hands on it or > any other good piano sound. I'm getting despirate. > Thanks, > Paul Noble > My fave piano on my 16+ is the Kawai grand (ED-03? - 2 disks). It has a really woody attack and is much less bright than the Stein's and the Bosendorfers. The latter two are good for cutting though a mix, but for anything approaching solo-piano thwe Kawai is much richer. I reckon, anyway. Thomas From email.mot.com!John_Lambrou-CJL008 Wed Sep 1 06:57:36 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 1 Sep 93 06:57 PDT Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA19503; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 08:56:58 -0500 Received: from maccvm.corp.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA08075; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 08:56:57 -0500 Received: from ilbe.mot.com by MACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 01 Sep 93 08:55:02 CDT Received: by ilbe.mot.com (5.65/1.6) id AA14417; Wed, 1 Sep 93 08:55:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 08:55:40 -0500 From: John_Lambrou-CJL008@email.mot.com To: eps@reed.edu (Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: all this talk about piano samples.... Message-Id: With all this ongoing discussion about Bosendorfers etc., I haven't seen any comments from the EPS-thirteen-minus crowd. Just a little discovery from an ancient technology (EPS classic) user (unless everybody's already found this), at ems.media.mit.edu /pub/Csound/Samples there's a Bosendorfer tar file (along with guitar, violin, and trumpet tar files). I had no problem turning these into aiff files with SoundHack and then let Alchemy send them off into the EPS. (maybe the SoundHack step was unnecessary?) There's eight samples of various notes, some showing promise. My experiments have just begun, but for example, I noticed that playing one of the low note samples transposed up reminds me of a Yamaha electric piano. If anyone creates a good instrument, I'd be curious to know. enjoy. lambrou@ssd.comm.mot.com From uafhp.uark.edu!pstaffor Wed Sep 1 08:24:28 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.184.7.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 1 Sep 93 08:24 PDT Received: by uafhp.uark.edu (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA27727; Wed, 1 Sep 93 10:22:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:20:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Stafford Subject: Re: all this talk about piano samples.... To: John_Lambrou-CJL008@email.mot.com Cc: Receipt Notification Requested In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I happen to be pretty pleased with the 2-disk piano sample that came with the EPS classic, once put on hard drive it's more accessable (no 20 min wait) and combined with the ProFormance Grand Piano makes a rich and very polyphonic instrument. Sans the E-Mu though, it sux. Phillip From ACAD.DRAKE.EDU!AAR001 Sun Sep 5 01:41:35 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.84.11.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 5 Sep 93 01:41 PDT Received: from ACAD.DRAKE.EDU by ACAD.DRAKE.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #2922) id <01H2KPKYCWQO003QQU@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>; Sun, 5 Sep 1993 03:39:40 CDT Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1993 03:39:40 -0500 (CDT) From: ANDREW RUSSELL 271-2380 CA #9 Subject: Signon To: EPS@REED.EDU Message-id: <01H2KPKYD6DU003QQU@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"EPS@REED.EDU" X-VMS-Cc: AAR001 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Signon I can't remember if this was a regular list-serv, or how I signed up before I left for the summer, but if anybody see's this (Meaning I did this wrong) could somebody either politly correct me or sign me up anyway. Muchas gracias & Thanx, Andy Russell AAR001@Acad.Drake.Edu From verity.com!jboyd Mon Sep 6 13:32:13 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.187.143.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 6 Sep 93 13:31 PDT Received: from tahiti (tahiti.verity.com) by verity.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07133; Mon, 6 Sep 93 13:32:11 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 93 13:32:11 PDT From: jboyd@verity.com (John Boyd) Message-Id: <9309062032.AA07133@verity.com> Errors-To: To: eps@reed.edu, mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu Subject: Questions about EPSDisk? Hello All, Not sure if I'm missing something or what, but the instructions for using EPSDisk seem to be a little lacking. I did find two examples of running the program, but somehow i guess I thought that this program worked from command line options too. Its really not too big of a deal since it IS the last command in my batch file, but I'm not too sure about everything that this program can do (or perhaps I should say "How do I do everything that it SAYS it can do?"). Does the program always format diskettes using the interleave option? Does it really do one instrument over multiple disks? Perhaps someone already did a writeup on this, but I can't find it anymore. Thanks.. John From bristol.com!arisb Tue Sep 7 04:57:23 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.246.192.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 04:57 PDT Received: by bristol.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01508; Tue, 7 Sep 93 08:03:57 EDT From: arisb@bristol.com (Aris Antanas Buinevicius) Message-Id: <9309071203.AA01508@bristol.com> Subject: Server? To: eps@reed.edu Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 8:03:57 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hey y'all: Does anyone know if the ftp server is up and operational? Thanks in advance (I can =finally= down load samples!) ====================================================================== Aris Buinevicius Bristol Technology Inc. Internet: arisb@bristol.com Makers of Motif HyperHelp and For Info: info@bristol.com Xprinter, components of Wind/U. For demos: anonymous ftp ftp.uu.net, vendor/Bristol directory. ====================================================================== From IRO.UMontreal.CA!paul%taarna.UUCP Tue Sep 7 07:52:42 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.204.32.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 07:52 PDT Received: from taarna.UUCP by iros1.IRO.UMontreal.CA (4.1-SMI/MX) with UUCP id AA29623; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:52:07 EDT From: paul%taarna.UUCP@iro.umontreal.ca Received: from tex.taarna.qc.ca by taarna via SMTP (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for iros1!reed.edu!eps id AA11690; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:55:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9309071455.AA11690@taarna> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:55:10 -0400 To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Downloading from ftp.reed.edu Hi everybody. I've tried downloading samples from the site. They get to my Mac ok, but trying to write a disk using EPSm gets me nowhere. I tried with the file 'krcsyn3.gkh.Z' from 'eps/samples/misc', and when i try to load an instrument into my 16+, it goes 'data corrupted' or some such nonsense. The weird thing is that 'krcsyn2.gkh.Z' loaded up fine. Anybody have any tips? Thanks Paul P.S.: I have a friend who has a PC, so I might try that route. But it's not as convenient. P -- -- Paul Provost paul@taarna.qc.ca, provostp@ERE.UMontreal.CA Software Engineer Taarna System Inc. 305 De La Commune O., Suite 100, Montreal, Canada (514)844-8448