From ibm4381.onet.edu!gwiner%UTCADMIN Tue Feb 16 13:04:48 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 141.110.8.15 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 16 Feb 93 13:03 PST Received: from OSCS_MAIL_GATE ([141.110.8.16]) by cognomen.onet.edu (5.59/1.34) id AA09651; Tue, 16 Feb 93 16:00:18 EST From: gwiner%UTCADMIN@ibm4381.onet.edu Received: by OSCS_MAIL_GATE with Network-Courier id <2B81801B@OSCS_MAIL_GATE>; Tue, 16 Feb 93 16:00:27 Subject: Re: Sampling ethics To: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 16:00:00 Message-Id: <2B81801B@OSCS_MAIL_GATE> X-Mailer: Network Courier V2.1a Encoding: 26 TEXT >> Am I allowed to write a book by stealing one paragraph from each >> of thousands of classic books? If you consider your product a work of art, than I believe anything you do to create it is ethical. Ultimatly, music is about art, and I have come to the determination that no one but the creator of the work can determine if their product is truly artistic. Obviously I can CLAIM that something is art, but deep down inside, if I'm not satisified with my own creativity, then I'm living a lie. The act of creation, whether from sampled nanoseconds or sampled minutes, a borrowed phrase or a thought never before set to paper in the history of man, a snippet of a masterpiece or the cover a magazine, is the ultimate determination of the ethics of the work in my opinion. You may attempt to legislate my art, you may question my ethics, but the sense of expression I receive from my creation, from the realization that I have created something that is product of my talents and creativity, is a freedom that I value above all else. True there may be those who "whore" their artistic values for a quick profit or a shot at noteriety, but it is better to leave us all free to express ourselves and also let the un-ethical go free than to shackle the true artists (of whom there are a majority) with bureaucratic legislation which cannot by it's very nature, see the spectrum of emotions that art conveys. Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion. Gregory From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Tue Feb 16 18:37:50 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 16 Feb 93 18:37 PST Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <28780-0@pat.uio.no>; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 03:36:22 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 03:36:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 03:36:02 +0100 Message-Id: <9302170236.AAfidibus24438@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no Subject: Re: uploaded: drumkita.gkh.Z Unfortunately it seems to me most of de l`abattoir's upload is corrupted. (The bass is there. The drumset is only in the directory). One more person should confirm this, please, to make sure it's not just the bits blowing away in the snow storm. If this is not false alarm, I hope you will give it another try. ---Terje From u.washington.edu!palefox Tue Feb 16 18:51:10 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 140.142.52.11 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 16 Feb 93 18:50 PST Received: by carson.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA22979; Tue, 16 Feb 93 18:50:55 -0800 Sender: palefox@carson.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 18:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Dagmar Pepping Subject: sampling ethics To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii I would appreciate it if the posts regarding sampling ethics were moved to a newsgroup or something. Seems like the S/N ratio is deteriorating here! Thanks! From concorde.convex.com!wb5nrn!jack Tue Feb 16 19:29:26 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.168.1.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 16 Feb 93 19:28 PST Received: from concorde.convex.com by convex.convex.com (5.64/1.35) id AA07374; Tue, 16 Feb 93 21:28:43 -0600 Received: from wb5nrn.UUCP by concorde.convex.com (5.61++/1.28) id AA06517; Wed, 17 Feb 93 20:13:37 -0600 Received: by wb5nrn.cirr.com (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 16 Feb 93 21:06:51 CST for eps@reed.edu To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Copyright 102 From: jack@wb5nrn.cirr.com (jack schieffer) Message-Id: <4Hi4yB1w164w@wb5nrn.cirr.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 21:06:50 CST Organization: Radio Amateur WB5NRN system, Dallas, Texas A lot of questions, comments, etc. seem to followed my note about copyright and the Clearmountain sampling CD. I feel I should try to clarify the whole sampling/copyright issue. Please note: I'm only trying to present the law covering this matter. I am NOT making a comment as to whether its ethically correct or not. So, what foolows is an overview of copyright law as it pertains to music, especially digital sampling. If, you don't want to hear about this, then get rid of this message. Musical Compositions What we're talking about here are songs. When someone writes a song and captures it in a tangible form (whether on tape or written, I don't know about sequenced), that song becomes protected by copyright. No one is allowed to reproduce, prepare a derivative of, distribute, or publicly perform that song without getting permission or paying a license fee to the copyright holder. A lot of contemporary music is created by sampling drum loops, vocal hits, etc. from other works. In a lot of cases, this might not violate the copyright of the songwriter because of the small amount taken, etc. However, they probably would violate a copyright in the sound recording, whish I'll get to in a second. Most sampling issues come from the sound recording copyright. Sound Recordings What we're talking about here are performances captured on tape, CD, etc. A separate copyright protects this recording. So, if you have a song on CD, it is covered by 2 copyrights: 1 for the song itself, and 1 for that recording/version of a song. So when Bob Dylan writes "All Along The Watchtower" and records it, he has 2 copyrights (or at least his publishing and record comapnies do, but let's keep it simple). When Jimi Hendrix and, later, U2 come along and record their versions of that song, they each have 1 copyright: in the sound recording. With a sound recording copyright, no one is allowed to copy, make a derivative, or distribute the recording without permission. As I was saying before a lot of rap, dance, etc bands sample other peoples' records for use in their own recordings. This apparently violates the copyright in the sound recording. I say apparently because although several cases had been filed, they all settled out of court. So, there have been no judicial opinions in that particular issue, at least as of May 1992. What does all this mean??? Let's look at the practical implications of all this. 1. Sampling acoustic instruments live - A live performance is not a composition, a sound recording, or any of the other categories protected under copyright law. So sampling it is OK. This also applies to sampling synths directly from their outputs. These things cannot be protected until they are "fixed" in a tangible medium. In fact, when you make such a sample and save it to floppy disk or whatever, you are creating a copyright-protected work (See commercial samples, discussed later). 2. Sapling CDs. These qualify as a sound recording, so they are protected by copyright. Now, as I understand it, most of these Cds have labels that allow you to copy(i.e. sample) and use these sounds in your own songs. This is permission from the copyright holder. So, check the labels of your sampling CDs. (A CD without such a label might have implied permission, but I wouldn't guarantee it.) What you don't have (unless expressly given) is permission to distribute copies of the sounds, such as posting them on an ftp site. 3. Commercial Samples. What I mean here are samples created and sold by other parties to you. Again, you probably have permission (express or implied) to use the sounds in your own songs, live performance, etc., but you can't distribute copies of them. 4. The "look-and-feel" lawsuits. Basically what happened is that Lotus sued other comapnies who developed spreadsheet programs that operated similarly to ther 1-2-3 program. Since the other companies didn't actually copy the programming code, the court had to decide if copyright protection should be given to the "look and feel" of Lotus' program. This is different from sampling because in sampling you are actually copying the sound itself, even if you later alter it. 5. Something I forgot. Although you can't copy a sound recording, you can try to emulate it independently. So you can't sample Peter Gabriel's snare sound, but if sample a snare on your own and process it to sound exactly like his, that's OK. Sorry to take up so much space, but I felt that you guys and gals might want to know something about this stuff and there seemed tobe a buch of questions after my other post. If you've got more questions, feel free to ask. Good looping for everypne, Jack --- jack@wb5nrn.cirr.com (jack schieffer) From natinst.com!radian!jlange Wed Feb 17 10:57:08 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.164.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 17 Feb 93 10:56 PST Received: from radian.UUCP by natinst.com with UUCP id AA17573 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Wed, 17 Feb 1993 12:56:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199302171856.AA17573@natinst.com> Received: by zippy.radian.com (16.8/16.2) id AA09248; Wed, 17 Feb 93 12:51:13 -0600 From: John Lange Subject: Wishlist of samples To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 12:51:12 CST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] Hello all, Does anyone have a summary of sample descriptions on nexttues.reed.edu? This would help a great deal in deciding what to download. If no one has already done this, I will eventually do it. However, I don't have a direct Internet link so it takes a long time to get them using ftpmail! On a different topic, is there an easy way to determine how many bits of precision are used on an instrument? Also, I am still looking for miscellaneous samples listed below. Does anyone have public domain versions of any of these, or could they be out on nexttues.reed.edu already? Tubular bells Hand held choir bells Bag Pipes Harmonicas Accordians Assorted animal noises Assorted special effects I am also interested in commercial sources to these sorts of things, but I'm not really "in" to resampling sounds from a CD - I would prefer a gkh file. Any help will be appreciated, though. Ka Plaa' => ("see ya later, dude" in Klingon) John Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com) Radian Corp. (512)454-4797 Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720-1088 From Jetson.UH.EDU!ST22R Wed Feb 17 18:12:16 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.7.1.9 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 17 Feb 93 18:10 PST Received: from Jetson.UH.EDU by Jetson.UH.EDU (PMDF #3125 ) id <01GUU9XE78M896VWM5@Jetson.UH.EDU>; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 20:10:02 CST Date: 17 Feb 1993 20:10:02 -0600 (CST) From: "CRAZY DJ (U C ME N 3D)" Subject: Sampling Ethics To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GUU9XE78MA96VWM5@Jetson.UH.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Who cares about hundreds of people's personal ethics on this matter, is there anyone who knows what the LAW is? "Just the facts, ma'am." -james From ecn.purdue.edu!del Wed Feb 17 18:28:41 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.85 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 17 Feb 93 18:28 PST Received: from localhost by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA11821; Wed, 17 Feb 93 21:28:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9302180228.AA11821@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: wrm@ee.wpi.edu Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Tamborine Samples????? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Feb 1993 11:52:07 EST." <9302171652.AA11429@friskie.WPI.EDU> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 21:28:11 EST From: David A Whittemore > I'm looking for a few good shakes and hits. i will notify the list when i upload some (by monday...) -david From SSD.intel.com!niski Thu Feb 18 08:44:00 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 137.46.201.30 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 18 Feb 93 08:42 PST Received: from [137.46.21.3] (macniski.ssd.intel.com) by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07587; Thu, 18 Feb 93 08:42:44 PST Message-Id: <9302181642.AA07587@SSD.intel.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 08:42:47 -0800 To: eps@reed.edu From: niski@SSD.intel.com (Joe Niski) Subject: Re: Sampling Ethics >Who cares about hundreds of people's personal ethics on this matter, >is there anyone who knows what the LAW is? "Just the facts, ma'am." well, ethics are _far_ more important to some of us than the law. Ethics are also more universal, and this list includes people from many different countries, with differing laws (so there). Also, as demonstrated by much of the input along this thread, the law is far from unambiguous on these matters. Joe From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Thu Feb 18 15:46:55 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 18 Feb 93 15:45 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <293966>; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 18:45:17 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07870; Thu, 18 Feb 93 18:45:00 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302182345.AA07870@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: New EPSDisk uploaded (v1.11b) To: fred@ensoniq.com (Fred Shaul) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 18:44:59 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Fred (and other EPSDisk users) -- It was brought to my attention that the extraction of non-contiguous files was crashing with ridiculous sector numbers. A new version of EPSDisk has been uploaded to eps.reed.edu (v1.11b), which solves this problem. (Turns out I had neglected to add back the 5-block offset of the FAT.) -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From perth.dialix.oz.au!psychok!leigh Thu Feb 18 16:44:52 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 18 Feb 93 16:44 PST Received: from uniwa.uwa.edu.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA20883; Fri, 19 Feb 1993 11:43:35 +1100 (from psychok!leigh@perth.dialix.oz.au) Received: from perth.dialix.oz.au (DIALix.oz.au) by uniwa.uwa.edu.au with SMTP (5.65c) id AA04775; Fri, 19 Feb 1993 08:43:28 +0800 Received: from psychok.dialix.oz.aux A by perth.dialix.oz.au with UUCP id AA13493 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for reed.edu!eps); Fri, 19 Feb 1993 08:41:49 +0800 Received: by psychok.DIALix.oz.au (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 19 Feb 93 08:31 PST Message-Id: Subject: All Notes Off To: eps@reed.edu (Ensoniq EPS mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 8:31:40 PST From: Leigh Smith Organisation: Psychokiller, Qu'est-ce que c'est? X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi EPS people! Reading through the MIDI implementation chart at the back of the EPS-16+ manual, I see that the rack mounted EPS supports All Notes Off, whereas the keyboard doesn't. Does anyone know why? Anyway, what must be the difference between the two systems, the operating system surely, I wouldn't think this would be in the ROM, would it? If it was a diffence in operating system, perhaps the keyboard handling code is replaced with the all notes off code on the rack? Needless to say, I have an application for all notes off on my keyboard model and the idea of using the rack mount operating system (I have no need for the keyboard in this application) in keyboard appeals... Anyone know anything about this? -- =--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--= | Leigh Smith _--_|\ Email: leigh@psychok.DIALix.oz.au | | / \ Tel (H): +61-9-450-2014 | | Perth --> *_.--._/ Perth, Western Australia | | v | =--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--= From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Thu Feb 18 17:10:50 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 18 Feb 93 17:10 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <294030>; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 20:10:23 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07997; Thu, 18 Feb 93 20:10:07 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302190110.AA07997@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: progress on finding exact instrument file format To: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (me train running low on soul coal) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 20:10:04 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) In-Reply-To: <9302190031.AA19592@silver.lcs.mit.edu>; from "me train running low on soul coal" at Feb 18, 93 7:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > I wonder if you've made any progress on matching up the instrument spec with > the instrument files your program creates yet? Yeah, but I haven't had time to post the results yet. I've managed to explain just about the whole enchilada for the EPS Classic and 16+, but I know nothing about differences with the ASR-10. > It seems your program puts 512 bytes (1st sector) as a header with > the name of the file and then the next 10 bytes are some other garbage, > and then the numbes and letters actually start to make some sense.. but: The first 512 bytes are the header for .EFE files, as described somewhere in the digests of the mailing list, with one modification: originally the first string was Eps Disk. Terje Finstad (thanks!) sent me some files he extracted on the Mac (I think) with the string EPS Disk. It seemed simple enough, so that check was made case-insensitive. The rest is the same, so .EFE files from the Giebler stuff should work O.K. > You can't tell how the EPS does it's memory management and number management.. > a sector editor shows things as 8 bit hex, and it's hard to tell where > the LSB and MSB is of most numbers.. Yeah, but that's true of the EPS in general. It seems that the 12-bit word stuff in the Classic makes a mess of things. I'm not exactly sure how things work myself, but I think I have them right. The end result I have in mind (when I'm free) is to be able to play (and then edit) EPS instruments using the Gravis Ultrasound sound card for the PC, which uses a variation on the DOC II chip. Of course, I have to figure out the GUS too... -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From ebs330.eb.uah.edu!claassen Sat Feb 20 08:20:39 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 146.229.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 20 Feb 93 08:18 PST Received: by ebs330.eb.uah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21186; Sat, 20 Feb 93 10:12:28 CST Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 10:12:28 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9302201612.AA21186@ebs330.eb.uah.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: MIDI problems with Mac Centris Has anyone heard if the new Mac Centris 610 and 650 have the same serial port trouble with MIDI as the Performa 600 and IIvx? Also someone posted the submission address for rec.music.makers.synth. I copied it down, but couldn't get it to work. Would the person (or anyone else with that info ) please mail me and give the address again. Thanks, Arne From utrurt.uni-trier.de!kiehl Sun Feb 21 07:30:44 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 136.199.8.130 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 21 Feb 93 07:30 PST Received: from utrurt.Uni-Trier.DE by apollo11.Uni-Trier.De (5.65/2.00) id AA11695; Sun, 21 Feb 93 16:30:11 +0100 Received: by ldv01.uni-trier.de (5.65c8/Uni-Trier/LDV-2) id AA16355; Sun, 21 Feb 1993 15:29:27 GMT From: kiehl@utrurt.uni-trier.de (Johannes Kiehl) Message-Id: <199302211529.AA16355@ldv01.uni-trier.de> Subject: Unsubscribe, please! To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 16:29:26 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 47 Come, you spirits, unsubscribe me here... h. From utrurt.uni-trier.de!kiehl Sun Feb 21 08:31:29 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 136.199.8.130 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 21 Feb 93 08:30 PST Received: from utrurt.Uni-Trier.DE by apollo11.Uni-Trier.De (5.65/2.00) id AA11730; Sun, 21 Feb 93 17:30:23 +0100 Received: by ldv01.uni-trier.de (5.65c8/Uni-Trier/LDV-2) id AA16653; Sun, 21 Feb 1993 16:29:41 GMT From: kiehl@utrurt.uni-trier.de (Johannes Kiehl) Message-Id: <199302211629.AA16653@ldv01.uni-trier.de> Subject: Unsubscribe, please To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 17:29:41 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1265 Forwarded message: >From daemon Sun Feb 21 16:06 GMT 1993 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 09:06:45 -0700 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199302211606.AA02637@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> To: kiehl@utrurt.uni-trier.de Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 ... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from reed.edu by ucsu.Colorado.EDU with SMTP id AA02579 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4/CNS-2.1 for ); Sun, 21 Feb 1993 09:06:45 -0700 Received: from 136.199.8.130 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 21 Feb 93 07:30 PST Received: from utrurt.Uni-Trier.DE by apollo11.Uni-Trier.De (5.65/2.00) id AA11695; Sun, 21 Feb 93 16:30:11 +0100 Received: by ldv01.uni-trier.de (5.65c8/Uni-Trier/LDV-2) id AA16355; Sun, 21 Feb 1993 15:29:27 GMT From: kiehl@utrurt.uni-trier.de (Johannes Kiehl) Message-Id: <199302211529.AA16355@ldv01.uni-trier.de> Subject: Unsubscribe, please! To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 16:29:26 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 47 Come, you spirits, unsubscribe me here... h. From umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu!smills Sun Feb 21 15:14:35 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.255.1.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 21 Feb 93 15:14 PST Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Sun, 21 Feb 93 17:14:12 -0600 id AA26780 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/920629) on Sun, 21 Feb 93 17:13:43 -0600 id AA32143 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 17:12:23 -0600 (CST) From: MuffinHead Subject: Re: MIDI problems with Mac Centris To: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9302201612.AA21186@ebs330.eb.uah.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Feb 1993, Arne Claassen wrote: > Has anyone heard if the new Mac Centris 610 and 650 have the same serial port > trouble with MIDI as the Performa 600 and IIvx? They have trouble with MIDI data? What kind of trouble? I can't imagine a port having trouble with one kind of datum but not with another. Muff ___________________________________________________________________________ smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu -=<*>=- MuffinHed@aol.com From arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de!tpki.toppoint.de!lxki!laux Sun Feb 21 16:48:20 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 134.106.1.7 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 21 Feb 93 16:48 PST Received: by arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (smail3.1.18 + xalias); Mon, 22 Feb 93 01:47 CET Received: by tpki.toppoint.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from lxki with uucp id ; Sun, 21 Feb 93 20:59 MET Received: by lxki.toppoint.de (/\==/\ Smail3.1.24.1 #24.1) id ; Sun, 21 Feb 93 20:24 GMT Message-Id: From: laux@lxki.toppoint.de (Thorsten Laux) Subject: Please Unsuscribe me To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 20:24:46 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Please unsuscibe me Thorsten Laux, Schuhmacherstr. 27/29, 2300 Kiel, FRG, Voice: +49 431 96334, email: laux@lxki.toppoint.de From cs.wisc.edu!johnson%whipple.cs.wisc.edu Mon Feb 22 14:10:37 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.105.1.75 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 22 Feb 93 14:08 PST Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:08:08 -0600 From: johnson%whipple@cs.wisc.edu Message-Id: <9302222208.AA27280@snake14.cs.wisc.edu> Received: by snake14.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:08:08 -0600 To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS disks <-> Mac Files I am a Mac Hacker, and I noticed that there is no software on reed.edu for reading/writing EPS disks on a Mac. I looked into my manuals this weekend. A quick and dirty hack for this shouldn't take too long... Can someone send me info on EPS/EPS 16+ disk formats, as well as the format of the disk image files on reed.edu. Also, if someone else is working on this I would be glad to help in any way. Please drop me a line. -Kai johnson@whipple.cs.wisc.edu From moon.nbn.com!cyberden!xorcist Mon Feb 22 16:50:02 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.132.30.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:49 PST Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-930216-1) id AA26157; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:48:24 -0800 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-930216-1) id AA17420; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:47:59 -0800 Received: from cyberden.UUCP by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/MOON-57) id AA15818; Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:34:18 PST Received: by cyberden.sf.ca.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:05:11 PST for reed.edu!eps To: eps@reed.edu Subject: FTP REED.EDU = DEAD From: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us Reply-To: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us Comments: The Devil Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:04:14 PST Organization: Indescribable Creations I've been trying to get the latest EPSDISK but FTP reed.edu logs in but the anonymous login fails because it can't change to a directory. Anyone ever gonna fix this or do I need to FTP to a different site. __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us ] The CyberDen - Public Access Waffle Usenet System - 415/472-5527 From SEAS.UCLA.EDU!chenc Mon Feb 22 21:56:51 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.97.2.12 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 22 Feb 93 21:56 PST Received: by mills.seas.ucla.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0(UCLA 5.17)) id AA1725018 (for eps@reed.edu, from chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU); at Mon, 22 Feb 93 21:56:16 -0800 From: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) Message-Id: <9302230556.AA1725018@mills.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: RE: FTP REED.EDU = DEAD To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 21:56:13 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Try ftp'ing to eps.reed.edu instead of just reed.edu. Chris From SEAS.UCLA.EDU!chenc Mon Feb 22 22:12:02 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.97.2.12 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 22 Feb 93 22:11 PST Received: by mills.seas.ucla.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0(UCLA 5.17)) id AA1725157 (for eps@reed.edu, from chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU); at Mon, 22 Feb 93 22:11:23 -0800 From: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) Message-Id: <9302230611.AA1725157@mills.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: Mac EPS stuff To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 22:11:20 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Kai, The mac programs are called EPSm in the eps.reed.edu site. However, the Mac superdrive can only read 9 out of the 10 sectors per track on an EPS disk. Therefore, I only use EPSm when there is no IBM around to run epsdisk on. Chris Chen chenc@seas.ucla.edu From bnr.ca!barsz Tue Feb 23 16:56:08 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.58.194.73 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 93 16:55 PST X400-Received: by mta bcars520 in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 19:55:10 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 19:54:47 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 14:54:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 19:54:00 +0000 X400-Originator: /DD.ID=1571825/G=Peter/I=P/S=Barszczewski/@bnr.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars520.b.078:24.01.93.00.54.47] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Mirage Samples From: "Peter (P.) Barszczewski" Sender: "Peter (P.) Barszczewski" Message-ID: <"18098 Tue Feb 23 19:54:57 1993"@bnr.ca> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Mirage Samples There was some discussion on this list about storing Mirage samples on nextweek. What is the general feeling, is this cool? The reason I am asking is because I am not an EPS or ASR-10 owner, but I have a Mirage (and damn proud of it :-). Given that the EPS and ASR-10 can read/use Mirage samples (in case you want 8-bit grunge) I thought it would be useful. If the general feeling is yes, then what format would you like them in? a) Byte stream image of Mirage SysEx message (Wavesample Dump) b) Same as above, but with nybbles combined into bytes c) MIDI File Format of SysEx message d) Compressed memory image e) Something in the MIDI Sample Dump Format - though a conversion program would be needed for each computer platform. Remember that our samples are tiny compared to yours, so I don't think eating up disk space on nextweek will be a major concern. However, a seperate directory, or a naming format (e.g. toilet.mrg) would be needed. Regards, -- Peter A. Barszczewski ( * (barsz@bnr.ca) ) ~|~ peace. Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. ( | Montreal, Canada ) From Jetson.UH.EDU!ST22R Tue Feb 23 17:14:33 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.7.1.9 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 93 17:14 PST Received: from Jetson.UH.EDU by Jetson.UH.EDU (PMDF #3125 ) id <01GV2LPG4SHC96Y0BA@Jetson.UH.EDU>; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 19:14:03 CST Date: 23 Feb 1993 19:14:03 -0600 (CST) From: "CRAZY DJ (U C ME N 3D)" Subject: ensoniq <-> .mod To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GV2LPG4SHE96Y0BA@Jetson.UH.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I would like to know how to convert Ensoniq samples to .mod, and vice versa. I'm looking for a tr-808 (drum machines) samples in .mod format for a friend's sound card (Spectrum, like soundblaster)... thanks! -djkc From mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU!conway Tue Feb 23 17:34:20 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.35.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 93 17:33 PST Received: from mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50); id AA23866 Wed, 24 Feb 1993 12:33:30 +1100 (from conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU) Received: by mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (920110.SGI) id AA22423; Wed, 24 Feb 93 12:33:27 +1100 From: conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Thomas Charles CONWAY) Message-Id: <9302240133.22423@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Computer based editing. To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 12:33:27 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi everyone. A couple of weeks ago I wrote of to Ensoniq for my very own copy of the EPS16+ external midi spec. It arrived a couple of days ago. At the moment I use an amiga with my EPS, and was wondering if there was any interest in a program/group of programs to perform programming functions on the EPS from the amiga. Note that this is not "display the waveform on the monitor and drag the loop-points" stuff, more things like enabling one to get better access to the parameters (not that the EPS interface is to be sneezed at :-). I am curious to know if this is the sort of stuff that the likes of avalon for the mac (?) do. Let me know of you are interested. If there is enough interest, I'll plan to write real programs rather than hacks. Thomas -- "In our world", said Eustace, "the sun is a huge ball of flaming gas." "Even in your world", the man replied, "that is not what it is, but only what "it is made of." Motto : AD DEUM ET VINUM email: smail: conway@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au Thomas Conway conway@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au 34 Ramsay Ave East Kew 3102 (Australia) From mail.uunet.ca!web.apc.org!becker!bdb Tue Feb 23 21:14:43 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:becker!bdb@web.apc.org> Received: from 192.48.96.7 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:14 PST Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA26391; Wed, 24 Feb 93 00:14:19 -0500 Received: from spectre.uunet.ca ([142.77.1.5]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <9646(5)>; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 23:58:15 -0500 Received: from web.apc.org ([142.77.253.8]) by spectre.uunet.ca with SMTP id <2715>; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 23:58:00 -0500 Received: from becker by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0nRE2G-0000uBC; Tue, 23 Feb 93 23:47 EST Received: by becker.GTS.ORG (smail2.5/bdb-15Aug90) id AA00740; Tue, 23 Feb 93 22:43:27 EST (-0500) Newsgroups: mlin.eps Path: bdb From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) Subject: Re: Computer based editing. Message-Id: <1993Feb24.034051.629@becker.GTS.ORG> Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario References: <9302240133.22423@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 22:40:51 -0500 To: eps@reed.edu In article <9302240133.22423@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU> conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Thomas Charles CONWAY) writes: |Hi everyone. | |A couple of weeks ago I wrote of to Ensoniq for my very own copy of the |EPS16+ external midi spec. It arrived a couple of days ago. At the moment |I use an amiga with my EPS, and was wondering if there was any interest in |a program/group of programs to perform programming functions on the EPS |from the amiga. Note that this is not "display the waveform on the monitor |and drag the loop-points" stuff, more things like enabling one to get |better access to the parameters (not that the EPS interface is to be |sneezed at :-). | |I am curious to know if this is the sort of stuff that the likes of |avalon for the mac (?) do. Let me know of you are interested. If there is |enough interest, I'll plan to write real programs rather than hacks. I've been interested in this for a while both for sequencing as well as for real time control with Arexx so as to be able to sync anims & videodisc stuff etc. The EPS interface is quite limited when compared with mouse/keyboard menu/fullscreen access to its functionality There's an interface building tool soon due out, as well as midi-manager realtime support tools & library available from Commodore, so this seems a particularly good time to embarks on such efforts... -- ,u, Bruce Becker Toronto, Ontario a /i/ Internet: bdb@becker.gts.org Uucp: ...!web!becker!bdb `\o\-e "...symbolising Excitement and Fun." _< /_ -- Disneyland North investment brochure From poda.wins.icl.co.uk!A.Spiceley Wed Feb 24 01:04:47 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 158.43.128.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 93 01:04 PST X400-Received: by mta relay.pipex.net in /PRMD=pipex/ADMD=cwmail/C=GB/; Relayed; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:03:39 +0000 X400-Received: by /PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; Relayed; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:02:43 +0000 X400-Received: by /PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; Relayed; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:01:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:01:02 +0000 X400-Originator: A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk X400-Recipients: eps@reed.edu X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/;ICLPODA 0000001300008224] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 8224 From: A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk Message-ID: <"8224*/I=A/S=Spiceley/OU=poda/O=icl/PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Computer based editing I'm all in favour of a layer/instrument parameter editor for the EPS: if anyone is offering to work on such a thing, that would be great, but I hope someone will port it to Atari or PC as I don't have Amiga or Mac! Wish list includes the ability to adjust the root key of samples in a layer by point&click From poda.wins.icl.co.uk!A.Spiceley Wed Feb 24 01:13:20 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 158.43.128.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 93 01:13 PST X400-Received: by mta relay.pipex.net in /PRMD=pipex/ADMD=cwmail/C=GB/; Relayed; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:12:10 +0000 X400-Received: by /PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; converted (ia5 text (2)); Relayed; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:11:13 +0000 X400-Received: by /PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; converted (undefined (0)); Relayed; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:09:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:09:26 +0000 X400-Originator: A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk X400-Recipients: eps@reed.edu X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/;ICLPODA 0000001300008225] Original-Encoded-Information-Types: undefined (0) X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 8225 From: A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk Message-ID: <"8225*/I=A/S=Spiceley/OU=poda/O=icl/PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Samples wish list Apologies to those who've heard this request from me before, but I imagine that since I last posted this there's been some turnover in the list membership. If there's anything like this already loaded at reed please point me at it. (1) Nice fat electric piano sound (should be easy?) (2) Hungarian Cimbalom This instrument was featured in Keyboard magazine a while back in an article about making the soundtrack for the film "Kafka". It's something like a cross between a hammer dulcimer and an old upright piano with the casework removed :-) I had high hopes of the Proteus 3 but it doesn't have one (lots of other nice sounds though: I admit to being sorely tempted). Thanks to you all for writing programs, posting samples, and sharing ideas. Wish the rest of the world had this co-operative spirit! Andy A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk From max.uh.cwru.edu!ellert Wed Feb 24 06:29:22 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.22.168.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 93 06:29 PST Received: by nu1.uh.cwru.edu (MX V3.1C) id 26731; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:29:04 EST Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:29:03 EST From: ellert@max.uh.cwru.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-ID: <009689AE.95D5CBCC.26731@max.uh.cwru.edu> Subject: RE: Computer based editing. conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Thomas Charles CONWAY) writes: > A couple of weeks ago I wrote of to Ensoniq for my very own copy of the > EPS16+ external midi spec. It arrived a couple of days ago. At the moment > I use an amiga with my EPS, and was wondering if there was any interest in > a program/group of programs to perform programming functions on the EPS > from the amiga. Note that this is not "display the waveform on the monitor > and drag the loop-points" stuff, more things like enabling one to get > better access to the parameters (not that the EPS interface is to be > sneezed at :-). > > I am curious to know if this is the sort of stuff that the likes of > avalon for the mac (?) do. Let me know of you are interested. If there is > enough interest, I'll plan to write real programs rather than hacks. I would be interested in just about any EPS16+ <=> Amiga stuff. Especially if I don't have to write it. > "In our world", said Eustace, "the sun is a huge ball of flaming gas." > "Even in your world", the man replied, "that is not what it is, but only what > "it is made of." "In our country", said Jimbob, "the government is a huge bunch of flaming asses." "Even in your country", the man replied, "that is not only what it is, but what it is made of." Ed Ellert ellert@nu1.uh.cwru.edu From ebs330.eb.uah.edu!claassen Wed Feb 24 10:57:10 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 146.229.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 93 10:56 PST Received: by ebs330.eb.uah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26014; Wed, 24 Feb 93 12:50:55 CST Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 12:50:55 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9302241850.AA26014@ebs330.eb.uah.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Mac <-> EPS A month or so ago, someone was talking about SCSI link between the Mac and the EPS. It was mentioned that another SCSI device should be put inbetween the two machines, since both want to be the originator of the chain and won't work properly together if the next device in the chain is the other. Now, if I add an internal SCSI device (Syquest drive) to my set-up, does this count as another device in the chain, or does it have to the external to the Mac? Arne --- claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu PS: I just got this three page mail back from eps@reed.edu, which listed a small number of reciepients and a much larger number of people who were never reached. Does anyone know the meaning of this? Am i getting through to only a tiny part of the list, or what was that about? Also, if anyone has the mailing addresses for comp.music, and/or rec.m.m.synth please drop me a line. Thanks... From acd4.acd.com!greene Wed Feb 24 13:22:31 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.48.96.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 93 13:21 PST Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA02924; Wed, 24 Feb 93 16:21:54 -0500 Received: from acd4.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 161946.20802; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 16:19:46 EST Received: by IEDVB.acd.com (5.57/Ultrix2.3-C) id AA02736; Wed, 24 Feb 93 13:55:11 -0500 From: greene@acd4.acd.com ( Jonathan Greene ) Message-Id: <9302241855.AA02736@IEDVB.acd.com> Subject: What's been going on for the last week? To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 13:55:10 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi EPSers, Our mail server has been down for the last week, so I'd like a summary of what I've missed, please. The last I heard, we were deciding if we should keep this a mailing list. My vote was (and still is) yes. Anything been going on about the EPS? Thanks in advance, -Jon Greene From umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu!smills Wed Feb 24 13:47:17 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.255.1.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 93 13:46 PST Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Wed, 24 Feb 93 15:46:41 -0600 id AA24768 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/920629) on Wed, 24 Feb 93 15:46:09 -0600 id AA06654 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 15:39:01 -0600 (CST) From: MuffinHead Subject: Wavesample sizes To: ensoniq-list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Last night I was a third wavesample to my tambourine instrument. I went to save the new version back to disk and found I didn't have enough room. So I went searching for the size of the new wavesample - with no luck. I'm 95% sure I've seen this somewhere before, I thought in Wavesample Information. Or am I just goofy? If this info isn't given by the 16+, could it be calculated by knowing the sample end and sample rate? On another note, I'm still getting bad instruments when downloading .gkh's from eps.reed.edu and using aDownloader (color) to move them to disk. I'm using a IIci, all extensions off, 24-bit, no VM, aDownload 0.02, and disks formatted on the 16+. Something has got to be wrong somewhere as I've tried 6 different .gkh's. Any thoughts? (And why isn't aDownloader at eps/reed any more?) Muff ___________________________________________________________________________ smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu -=<*>=- MuffinHed@aol.com From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Wed Feb 24 19:16:14 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 93 19:15 PST Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <15767-0@pat.uio.no>; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 04:15:46 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 04:15:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 04:15:35 +0100 Message-Id: <9302250315.AAfidibus10421@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no Subject: Re: Wavesample sizes > Last night I was a third wavesample to my tambourine instrument. I went >to save the new version back to disk and found I didn't have enough room. >So I went searching for the size of the new wavesample - with no luck. I'm >95% sure I've seen this somewhere before, I thought in Wavesample >Information. Or am I just goofy? I may not understand what you ask about when I suggest [edit] [wave] but just in case. Your instrument will increase by xxx + exp(5.66) bytes > On another note, I'm still getting bad instruments when downloading >.gkh's from eps.reed.edu and using aDownloader (color) to move them to >disk. I'm using a IIci, all extensions off, 24-bit, no VM, aDownload 0.02, You have a corrupted version. I told that version 0.02 got corrupted at the site. So I renamed my earlier copy from the site to version 0.03 and uploaded that. This was 4+ months ago. Most unfortunate. Well, in many music styles I like drummers that represent something constant rather than jumping onto others' tendenciy to rush the time:-) Hey, you were not on a gig when downloading samples. btw. On a IIci you needed 24-bit, but no reason for turning virtual memory off. From ads.com!pdel Wed Feb 24 22:21:23 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 93 22:21 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA03115; Wed, 24 Feb 93 22:22:22 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA01394; Wed, 24 Feb 93 22:22:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 22:22:21 -0800 Message-Id: <9302250622.AA01394@bert.ads.com> To: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no Subject: Re: EPS - mac: EPSm & aDownLoader Update Cc: eps@reed.edu Terje, once again I (we) are amazed by your prolific output of Mac utilities for the EPS, a feat noone else on the planet has been able to reproduce (at least to the public) I (we) are grateful to you for your contribution. pdel (other Mac/EPS users) It's just amazing the amount of great stuff that is available to EPS users to share here. Does anyone know of any other sampler/synth group that shares so much great stuff freely? There is another sampler group that I subscribe to that can't hold a candle to what's happened here (IMHO). One thing I like about this group is that there are no 'membership dues'. It seems operating that way discourages trading of ideas/resources. pd From silver.lcs.mit.edu!jna Thu Feb 25 01:20:46 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 18.52.0.230 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 25 Feb 93 01:20 PST Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA21225; Thu, 25 Feb 93 04:20:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 04:20:14 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (if your heart skips a beat stay on your feet) Message-Id: <9302250920.AA21225@silver.lcs.mit.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: SPARCstation IPC/IPX drive info.. The sparcstation ipc,ipx, sparc 2 and sparc 10 all support pcfs, a filesystem that has the ability to read and write ms-dos disks through /dev/fd0 (unix) ... maybe someone might want to convert one of the eps utils for those users.. makes moving files of the ethernet (at work) to floppy and sticking them into the eps easier... my thinking: if the /dev/fd0 is capable of reading and writing ms-dos,maybe a device driver would allow reading and writing of eps... -john From ERE.UMontreal.CA!dionf Thu Feb 25 13:19:02 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 132.204.2.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 25 Feb 93 13:17 PST Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA01471 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 21:16:10 GMT Received: from brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA15671; Thu, 25 Feb 93 16:16:10 -0500 Received: by brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA28684; Thu, 25 Feb 93 16:16:09 -0500 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Message-Id: <9302252116.AA28684@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: ensoniq <-> .mod To: ST22R@Jetson.UH.EDU (CRAZY DJ) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 16:16:08 EST Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <01GV2LPG4SHE96Y0BA@Jetson.UH.EDU>; from "CRAZY DJ" at Feb 23, 93 7:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Beyond the ultraworld of CRAZY DJ: > > > I would like to know how to convert Ensoniq samples to .mod, and vice versa. > I'm looking for a tr-808 (drum machines) samples in .mod format for a friend's > sound card (Spectrum, like soundblaster)... You'll have to extract a tr808 drumkit with epsdisk. Then, you have to use a utility to extract just the one percussion you want from the kit. Then use sox7dos on archive.epas.utoronto.ca to convert from 16 bit signed big endian to 16 bit signed little endian(or is it little endian to big? anyway, just use the -x option) and finally from 16 bit to 8 bit (still signed). After that, you will have a file that can be loaded in a .mod as a sample (it's headerless). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu!smills Thu Feb 25 22:58:21 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.255.1.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 25 Feb 93 22:58 PST Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Fri, 26 Feb 93 00:57:57 -0600 id AA10221 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/920629) on Fri, 26 Feb 93 00:57:29 -0600 id AA04451 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 00:52:32 -0600 (CST) From: MuffinHead Subject: Simmons sounds To: ensoniq-list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now that I've gotten aDownloader to work (thanks Terje!) I was wondering if anyone has access to some Simmons. I'd like a couple basses, a few snares, but mainly lots of toms with about 6 pitches in each set of toms. Would anybody be able to help me out? Muff ___________________________________________________________________________ smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu -=<*>=- MuffinHed@aol.com From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Fri Feb 26 09:53:14 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 26 Feb 93 09:52 PST Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <00469-0@pat.uio.no>; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:52:45 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:52:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:52:40 +0100 Message-Id: <9302261752.AAfidibus23062@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no Subject: Re: Simmons sounds Muff wrote: >I was >wondering if anyone has access to some Simmons. I'd like a couple basses, >a few snares, but mainly lots of toms with about 6 pitches in each set of >toms. Would anybody be able to help me out? > I have a D4. It has a hex set. Do you have anything to trade with? or do you have easy acess to a D4 yourself. hard bargain: Tryed playing Hendrix-style lines with a horse sample, anyone? If not, you have missed a lot of fun. I did it last nite. Now I would like some galopping samples to set up a rythm track for this thing. I don't dare to go to the race tracks myself cause I'm afraid of coming back without my DAT recorder. side note: I have a tape with Simmons sounds, among others. However, the sound quality is not good compared to todays standards. The tape dates back from when samplers were rare. The tape was made as an advertisement for alternative ROM sounds for LinnDrum ( and possibly Oberheim's Drum machine ) that included clearly cued hits -even repeated-of every sound in their catalog. The tape was as good as they could make it and it was free,... and two sides on a C90 tape. Great if you could do your own sampling. Why isn't anyone making replacement ROMs to the new drum machines and make their catalog on DATs which they send out free? Terje From gatekeeper.calera.com!paulk Fri Feb 26 19:52:16 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.133.61.9 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 26 Feb 93 19:49 PST Received: from gold.calera.com ([192.133.61.50]) by calera.com (4.1/2.7davy) id AA26031; Fri, 26 Feb 93 19:46:26 PST Message-Id: <9302270346.AA26031@calera.com> From: Paul Koen Subject: AIFFs To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 19:48:05 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] I uploaded a bunch of aiff files- mostly drum loops & stuff. I got them (in that format) from a variety of other people, so I have no idea whether they've been copyrighted somewhere along the line. I also don't care much. My girlfriend for the last 3 yrs. just broke up with me, and I'm not in a great mood. If anybody has any problem with them, delete them. Otherwise have fun. -p From Jetson.UH.EDU!ST22R Sat Feb 27 21:05:54 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.7.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 27 Feb 93 21:05 PST Received: from Jetson.UH.EDU by Jetson.UH.EDU (PMDF #3125 ) id <01GV8EX2CLZG90N9K5@Jetson.UH.EDU>; Sat, 27 Feb 1993 23:05:36 CST Date: 27 Feb 1993 23:05:36 -0600 (CST) From: "CRAZY DJ (U C ME N 3D)" Subject: Re: AIFFs To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GV8EX2CLZI90N9K5@Jetson.UH.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT what is this format?? I'd like to check out those drum loops. Three years, eh? Well, I've been in my current relationship for four.. So, I can empathize... hope you get over it, cause that's the only option, unless of course ya'll have a chance to get back together. Think of it this way: You can redirect your energies into music making (if that's what you do with your keyboard), or other things.. good luck -djkc From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Sun Feb 28 13:41:02 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 28 Feb 93 13:40 PST Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <29733-0@pat.uio.no>; Sun, 28 Feb 1993 22:40:10 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Sun, 28 Feb 1993 22:40:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 22:40:05 +0100 Message-Id: <9302282140.AAfidibus00545@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad X-Sender: tgf@fidibus Subject: Re: AIFFs Wow, it was a LOT of titles uploaded! Thank you, Paul Koen. CRAZY DJ wrote: >what is this format?? I'd like to check out those drum loops. > ( The following adresses the AIFF format ) ( By principle I should not adress the particular loops, "loops" indicates there is no specific origin :) but you have to know where it came from ) I might give a pointer to the answer for questions of this TYPE first. "What is formatX and how do I convert formatX to formatY" : There is a newsgroup where 95% of the questions seemed to be like that. A person in the newsgroup used to post an informative document every month giving information or pointers to various Audio File Formats -sources The news group is: alt.binaries.sounds.d and/or alt.binaries.sounds.misc The document is called " FAQ: Audio File Formats ( vers >2)". and leans more towards games/multimedia than professional audio. So AIFF is an audio file standard. There is a special directory at eps.ree.edu for AIFF files. That makes it an official eps mailing list format I guess. What you could do to check out the drum loops depends upon what sampler/soundcard you want to use and what sort of computer you have. Those that have an EPS, a Mac and Alchemy (=a sample editor, Sound Designer II will also do ) reads the file and sends it to EPS by Midi or SCSI/Midi. I have been told by a person, but don't know, that the same applies for Atari w. Avalon. Alchemy and Sound Designer works with very many different samplers. Those having an EPS, a Mac but no sample editor that reads AIFF, can use SoundHack ( at eps.reed.edu ) and convert the AIFF file to a Sound Designer type 2 file (sd2). Then they can import that file with EPSm, and write out an EPS floppy. I did the above for a few files to test. SoundHack does not translate loop-points however, so those are lost. The sound was good. If you have a PC and a descent sample editor you should not have problems either. If you don't then you could follow Francois' recent directions for .mod files. ( In this particular case you start with a 16 bit little endian file. If you can program, you may in this particular case strip off the header by looking for "SSND" and then you strip off 12 bytes beyond that for quick results, but I should not consider this special case) . I wish you knew the 1st source for these files though. -------------------------------------------------- Some references on the specific case of AIFF format: The complete AIFF spec by Steve Milne, Matt Deatherage (Apple) is available in 'AMIGA ROM Kernal Reference Manual: Devices (3rd Edition)' 1991 by Commodore-Amiga, Inc.; Addison-Wesley Publishing Co.; ISBN 0-201-56775-X, starting on page 435 (this edition has a charcoalgrey cover). It is available in most bookstores, and soon in many good librairies. There have been placed a PostScript version of the AIFF-C specification on sgi.sgi.com for public ftp. It is in the file sgi/aiff-c.9.26.91.ps. AIFF-C is with the addition of compression. "Inside Macintosh Volume VI" 1991, by Apple Computer, Inc.; Addison-Wesley Publishing Co.; ISBN 0-201-57755-0, also contains the AIFF-C specification. ---------------------------------- ======================================================================== tgf From umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu!smills Sun Feb 28 21:17:35 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.255.1.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 28 Feb 93 21:17 PST Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Sun, 28 Feb 93 23:17:01 -0600 id AA28681 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/920629) on Sun, 28 Feb 93 23:16:30 -0600 id AA13748 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 23:10:58 -0600 (CST) From: MuffinHead Subject: Weird tunings To: ensoniq-list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to let a single wave-sample have non-standard pitches? I got one of the Korg T3 kits from reed. The Simmon's type toms are one sample spread over a few pitches. Instead, I'd like each note to be more than a half step from the next, e.g. E5, G5, A#5, C#6, E6, G6. How can I do this? Thankoo. Muff ___________________________________________________________________________ smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu -=<*>=- MuffinHed@aol.com From Jetson.UH.EDU!ST22R Sun Feb 28 23:16:27 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.7.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 28 Feb 93 23:15 PST Received: from Jetson.UH.EDU by Jetson.UH.EDU (PMDF #3125 ) id <01GV9XR9ZXF490NGPX@Jetson.UH.EDU>; Mon, 1 Mar 1993 01:14:59 CST Date: 01 Mar 1993 01:14:59 -0600 (CST) From: "CRAZY DJ (U C ME N 3D)" Subject: .mid <-> Ensoniq Sequence file To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GV9XR9ZXF690NGPX@Jetson.UH.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Here's another good question, worthy for this group: How do you convert between standard midi files (like the ones used on PC sequencers such as Cakewalk) and Ensoniq EPS/ASR sequence*song files? --- Also, I'm still unclear on the .mod <-> EPS/ASR instrument conversions... If I figure it out, I'll post how to do this.. -james From ee.WPI.EDU!wrm Mon Mar 1 05:23:16 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.215.16.20 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 93 05:22 PST Received: by ee.WPI.EDU (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03433; Mon, 1 Mar 1993 08:22:50 -0500 Received: by friskie.WPI.EDU (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02191; Mon, 1 Mar 1993 08:22:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9303011322.AA02191@friskie.WPI.EDU> To: "CRAZY DJ (U C ME N 3D)" Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: .mid <-> Ensoniq Sequence file In-Reply-To: Your message of "01 Mar 93 01:14:59 CST." <01GV9XR9ZXF690NGPX@Jetson.UH.EDU> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 08:22:48 -0500 From: wrm@ee.WPI.EDU X-Mts: smtp >Here's another good question, worthy for this group: > >How do you convert between standard midi files (like the ones used on PC >sequencers such as Cakewalk) and Ensoniq EPS/ASR sequence*song files? I load them into Cakewalk and play them back into the ASR, then save them on the ASR. Bill From gatekeeper.calera.com!paulk Wed Mar 3 00:27:18 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.133.61.9 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 00:24 PST Received: from gold.calera.com ([192.133.61.50]) by calera.com (4.1/2.7davy) id AA14163; Wed, 3 Mar 93 00:20:46 PST Message-Id: <9303030820.AA14163@calera.com> From: Paul Koen Subject: my EPS16+ To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 0:22:30 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] BTW, thank you everyone who posted advice about my EPS16+, which fortunately now is working fine. I thought I'd let you all know what happened in case something similar should happen to someone someday.. Well, I brought it in to work (we have a manufacturing dept... with benches and light and soldering irons, etc.) and Kenn (who I found out has his degree in electrical engineering) tested resistance of a few components. I had taken the power supply out previously and there were some conspicuous brown places, so that's where we looked first. It turned out there was a blown resistor, but calling around we found that NO-ONE stocks this component. So we dug around and miraculously found one in some old Sun equipment in a junk pile, scavenged it, and.. IT STILL DIDN'T WORK. By now we had the whole keyboard apart and after being discouraged for awhile, noticed that there was a wire running across the bottom of the main circuit board, an obvious patch, which had an exposed portion and may have been closing a circuit with one of the traces. Anyway, that seemed to fix it. Or maybe it was the firm reseating of all of the chips. Or maybe.. who knows. All I know is that there was the most disgusting mess of HAIR and LINT in there. Cat hair, and my keyboard's been in a storage room/ studio off limits to the cat since I last moved TWO YEARS ago. The point is: I've taken it in to Guitar Showcase and had things done to it in that time and at no point did it occur to the repair techs. to CLEAN IT, even a half- assed job would have been appreciated. Ahh.. maybe 30 years ago.. I'm 23, and I've never seen first hand a service- oriented America, but I understand from my grandmother that yes it did once exist. Sorry to wax nostalgic; I know; there're news groups for that sort of whining. -Paul From mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU!conway Wed Mar 3 04:47:29 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.35.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 04:46 PST Received: from mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50); id AA01487 Wed, 3 Mar 1993 23:45:50 +1100 (from conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU) Received: by mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (920110.SGI) id AA06729; Wed, 3 Mar 93 23:45:48 +1100 From: conway@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Thomas Charles CONWAY) Message-Id: <9303031245.6729@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Chaining EPSs with MIDI THRU To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 23:45:48 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi all. A friend of mine who is a pro composer was recently in a studio using a competition sampler (with 32Mb ram). He brought the results home on his DAT, then accidentally ERASED THE DAT! :-( So anyway, he borrowed my 16+, and a mutual friend's 16+, and chained them with MIDI THRU to his own 16+. But what he found was that by the time the signal had come out of his atari and through two 16+s, it wasn't strong enough to drive the third 16+. He tried switching the third machine for his M1 to see if it would work, and it went fine (apart from being totally useless for his application - sequencing dialogue for a show). So, it seems that the 16+ needs a "relatively strong" MIDI signal to work. Thomas (normal .sig lost at the moment - watch this space) From ee.WPI.EDU!wrm Wed Mar 3 05:22:17 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.215.16.20 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 05:21 PST Received: by ee.WPI.EDU (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10662; Wed, 3 Mar 1993 08:21:03 -0500 Received: by friskie.WPI.EDU (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06149; Wed, 3 Mar 1993 08:21:00 -0500 Message-Id: <9303031321.AA06149@friskie.WPI.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Sequencer control via MIDI? Date: Wed, 03 Mar 93 08:21:00 -0500 From: wrm@ee.WPI.EDU X-Mts: smtp The MIDI implementation chart in the ASR-10 manual implies that the sequencer can be started, stopped, or continued via MIDI. Does anyone know how to do this????? Bill From ibm4381.onet.edu!gwiner%UTCADMIN Wed Mar 3 06:03:55 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 141.110.8.15 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 06:02 PST Received: from OSCS_MAIL_GATE ([141.110.8.16]) by cognomen.onet.edu (5.59/1.34) id AA26607; Wed, 3 Mar 93 08:59:34 EST Received: by OSCS_MAIL_GATE with Microsoft Mail id <2B94E403@OSCS_MAIL_GATE>; Wed, 03 Mar 93 08:59:47 EST From: gwiner%UTCADMIN@ibm4381.onet.edu To: eps@reed.edu Subject: More sequencer stuff: Date: Wed, 03 Mar 93 08:58:00 EST Message-Id: <2B94E403@OSCS_MAIL_GATE> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I was wondering if anyone knew of a utility that would listen for a sequencer START command and relay that command down the line, but NOT sync to the incomming tempo. I.E., I want to start two sequencers with two different tempos at exactly the same time. All this due to a corrupted synch tone on a multitrack tape...ah the joys of analog recording. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= j a c k i n , b a b y: g r e g o r y n a t i o n o f t e f l o n s o u l s =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= my opinions do not neccesarily reflect the views of my employer From SEAS.UCLA.EDU!chenc Wed Mar 3 10:36:27 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.97.2.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:33 PST Received: by crowe.seas.ucla.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0(UCLA 5.17)) id AA784846 (for eps@reed.edu, from chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU); at Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:32:46 -0800 From: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) Message-Id: <9303031832.AA784846@crowe.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: Sequencer control via MIDI? To: eps@reed.edu (EPS mailing list at Reed) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:32:43 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > The MIDI implementation chart in the ASR-10 manual implies that > the sequencer can be started, stopped, or continued via MIDI. Does > anyone know how to do this????? > > Bill > Just send it the MIDI Start, stop or continue codes. I don't have these right offhand. Does anybody? If you start a sequencer attached to your computer, it will also send a start code to your ASR. Continuing by pressing on play will also continue the sequencer on your ASR from where it left off. Pressing the stop button on your computer's sequencer will send the stop code to the ASR. (Provided all these codes are enabled to be sent from the computer.) Chris -- ========================================================================= Christopher Chen UCLA School of Engineering and Applied Sciences chenc@seas.ucla.edu Los Angeles, California 90024 From SEAS.UCLA.EDU!chenc Wed Mar 3 10:36:32 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.97.2.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:35 PST Received: by crowe.seas.ucla.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0(UCLA 5.17)) id AA784863 (for eps@reed.edu, from chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU); at Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:35:23 -0800 From: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) Message-Id: <9303031835.AA784863@crowe.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: RE: More sequencer stuff: To: eps@reed.edu (EPS mailing list at Reed) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:35:20 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > I was wondering if anyone knew of a utility that would listen for a sequencer > START command and relay that command down the line, but NOT sync to the > incomming tempo. I.E., I want to start two sequencers with two different > tempos at exactly the same time. All this due to a corrupted synch tone on a > multitrack tape...ah the joys of analog recording. Just make sure that the master sequencer doesn't send out time code. Usually most sequencers have a way of disabling the time code to be sent out. That way, the slave sequencer doesn't have anything to sync to. If your master sequencer doesn't have a way to stop sending time code, see if your slave one has a way of ignoring any time code sent to it. Chris -- ========================================================================= Christopher Chen UCLA School of Engineering and Applied Sciences chenc@seas.ucla.edu Los Angeles, California 90024 From ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!djk Wed Mar 3 12:29:20 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.83.135.26 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 12:28 PST Received: by tramp.cc.utexas.edu (5.61/1.34/CCWF 1.21) id AA18560; Wed, 3 Mar 93 14:27:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 14:23:33 -0600 (CST) From: Dan Keldsen Sender: Dan Keldsen Reply-To: Dan Keldsen Subject: Re: Chaining EPSs with MIDI THRU To: Thomas Charles CONWAY Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9303031245.6729@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Mar 1993, Thomas Charles CONWAY wrote: (just a teensy bit deleted...) > So anyway, he borrowed my 16+, and a mutual friend's 16+, and chained them > with MIDI THRU to his own 16+. But what he found was that by the time the > signal had come out of his atari and through two 16+s, it wasn't strong > enough to drive the third 16+. He tried switching the third machine for his > M1 to see if it would work, and it went fine (apart from being totally useless > for his application - sequencing dialogue for a show). So, it seems that the > 16+ needs a "relatively strong" MIDI signal to work. That's seems entirely strange to me. How many miles away from each other where the various 16+s? Although the M1 worked for him as a substitute, I think it's generally thought a bad idea to THRU past 3 units, although I wouldn't know from my own experience. This looks like a good time to suggest that he might get something like the MidiTimePiece from Mark of the Unicorn (an 8 in, 8 out MIDI interface for the MAC) and have ins/outs to all of his gear. Hopefully, somebody makes something like this for yon Atari users, I can't help you with that... cheers! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Keldsen | Are you now, or have you ever been: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | a. A Berklee College student? Univ. of Texas, Austin | b. A member/fan of Billy Death? Music Composition, MM | c. a MAX programmer? M & M Consultant (ask) | d. a Think-C & MIDI programmer? | if YES to any of these, contact me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From SEAS.UCLA.EDU!chenc Wed Mar 3 18:47:33 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.97.2.11 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 18:47 PST Received: by mott.seas.ucla.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0(UCLA 5.17)) id AA1228406 (for eps@reed.edu, from chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU); at Wed, 3 Mar 93 18:47:21 -0800 From: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) Message-Id: <9303040247.AA1228406@mott.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: How would one wire? To: eps@reed.edu (EPS mailing list at Reed) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 18:47:19 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > |> Well, what you could do is plug the keyboard out into the computer > |> in. The computer out to your first tx81z's in. The first tx81z's > |> thru to the second tx81z's in. Finally, if your keyboard also > |> makes noise, plug your second tx81z's out to your keyboard's in. > ^^^ > You almost made it. Change this ---------| to thru. Ooops. That's what I meant. Thanks Dave! Chris > ...David Elliott > -- ========================================================================= Christopher Chen UCLA School of Engineering and Applied Sciences chenc@seas.ucla.edu Los Angeles, California 90024 From silver.lcs.mit.edu!jna Wed Mar 3 23:17:33 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 18.52.0.230 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 23:16 PST Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA22901; Thu, 4 Mar 93 02:16:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 02:16:17 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (from bali to kali to beneath the coral sea) Message-Id: <9303040716.AA22901@silver.lcs.mit.edu> To: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU, eps@reed.edu Subject: RE: More sequencer stuff: Why not just restripe the entire tape with SMPTE? It'll all lock back up again.. trigger your SMPTE read/writer to the exact same tempo, and have it start when it hears the first SMPTE tone... as long as you get a start someplace in there it'll resync everything with the new time code.. -john From ibm4381.onet.edu!gwiner%UTCADMIN Thu Mar 4 05:51:10 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 141.110.8.15 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 93 05:50 PST Received: from OSCS_MAIL_GATE ([141.110.8.16]) by cognomen.onet.edu (5.59/1.34) id AA27845; Thu, 4 Mar 93 08:48:00 EST Received: by OSCS_MAIL_GATE with Microsoft Mail id <2B9632CF@OSCS_MAIL_GATE>; Thu, 04 Mar 93 08:48:15 EST From: gwiner%UTCADMIN@ibm4381.onet.edu To: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu, eps@reed.edu Subject: RE: More sequencer stuff: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 93 08:47:00 EST Message-Id: <2B9632CF@OSCS_MAIL_GATE> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 A. I don't have a SMPTE box (I was using an Alesis MMT-8 FSK tone) B. I've already put down the vocal tracks (they're killer right now, I'd HATE to have to re-record them). The problem is that there is a slight dropout around the second verse of the song, throwing the sequencer off by about 1/4 beat. My thought was to start the sequencer off on it's own, and then just play with the tempo to get it to stay in sync (kinda like mixing records ya know?). Since I'm virtual tracking all of the insturments, all I have right now are 6 tracks of vocals, which unfortunately don't start on the first beat of the song...I'm going to be looking at my Cakewalk manual this weekend to see if I can write a .CAL program that can send some sort of MIDI start code to the EPS. I hope so.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (from bali to kali to beneath the coral sea) To: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU, eps@reed.edu Subject: RE: More sequencer stuff: Why not just restripe the entire tape with SMPTE? It'll all lock back up again.. trigger your SMPTE read/writer to the exact same tempo, and have it start when it hears the first SMPTE tone... as long as you get a start someplace in there it'll resync everything with the new time code.. -john From ecn.purdue.edu!davisonj Thu Mar 4 15:49:38 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.128.59 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 93 15:49 PST Received: by en.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA28903; Thu, 4 Mar 93 18:49:06 -0500 From: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) Message-Id: <9303042349.AA28903@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Subject: FAQ To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 18:49:05 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] First of all, the following letter is going to sound pretty crummy from someone who hasn't even uploaded anything to the EPS ftp site, so I apologize in advance...but I think that I am suggesting something worthwhile nonetheless. Has anyone considered converting the (informal) EPS FAQ into a TeX file or something like that that could be easily converted to (for example) a PostScript file? I know it's easy for me to suggest it since I'm not the one doing the work, but it would be very handy if one could ftp a PostScript (and/or LaTeX and/or Microsoft Word and/or WordPerfect) version of the EPS FAQ onto a local system and print it out locally. If the FAQ were written in LaTeX, for example, the ftp site could store the files "EPS_List_FAQ.ascii", "EPS_List_FAQ.tex", and "EPS_List_FAQ.ps". I would do a LaTeX conversion of the FAQ, but I'm just learning LaTeX at this time, so my skills are not up to the level required for such a project, at least at this time. From what I've heard, I don't think that the job would be excessively difficult, though, and since LaTeX is a copywrited shareware program that is available on many platforms, there shouldn't be a problem with people on the Internet not being able to get it or use it. -- John Davison davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu From u.washington.edu!palefox Fri Mar 5 00:05:58 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.95.136.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 00:05 PST Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA21641; Fri, 5 Mar 93 00:05:39 -0800 Sender: palefox@hardy.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 23:58:07 -0800 (PST) From: Dagmar Pepping Subject: Groovy Stuff! To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii I just got back from a friend's who was kind enough to let me use his PC clone and hi-speed modem. I spent the evening downloading files from the archive at Reed... The cool thing is that it not only worked, but that I also got some of the best PD sounds for the EPS that I've ever heard. I'd like to thank everybody who helped get this whole eps@reed going, because it's really cool! Cheers! Dagmar From ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu!MOREYLC Fri Mar 5 06:21:58 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.59.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 06:20 PST Received: from ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF #3899 ) id <01GVFXPHW8W08X3UUA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu>; Fri, 5 Mar 1993 08:19:43 CST Date: 05 Mar 1993 08:19:43 -0600 (CST) From: MOREYLC@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Subject: EPS-16 Samples on a Classic To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GVFXPHW8W28X3UUA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" X-VMS-Cc: MOREYLC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey, has anyone else had any trouble with some of the samples at Reed on a classic EPS? In particular, I just downloaded krcstring and it had some rather weird envelopes at the end of the loop. When I tried to "edit wave", the EPS went berserk and did one of the famous Ensoniq seize-ups. Is this just me, or have others had this problem? I thought earlier discussions suggested that 16+ samples should work "ok" on the original. Thanks! Les From csd4.csd.uwm.edu!boottrax Fri Mar 5 07:25:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.89.7.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 07:23 PST Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA22247; Fri, 5 Mar 93 09:23:57 -0600 From: Boot Trax Message-Id: <9303051523.AA22247@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: FAQ or info needed To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 9:23:57 CST Hi I just got on this list, I'm a new EPS owner and know little of the system.. I would like to get a FAQ for this group, or if there isn't one, possibly an FTP site for EPS sounds, utilities, and demos, and Ensoniq's phone number (I don't even have a real manual) thanks in advance. -- (( boottrax@csd4.csd.uwm.edu )) Basement Software Products )) )) 'Keeping my opinions to myself' (( (( Network Analysis - Systems Design - Software Engineering )) )) Make a system foolproof, and only a fool will want to use it (( From ecn.purdue.edu!del Fri Mar 5 10:54:53 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.85 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 10:54 PST Received: from localhost by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA04510; Fri, 5 Mar 93 13:53:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9303051853.AA04510@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: MOREYLC@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS-16 Samples on a Classic In-Reply-To: Your message of "05 Mar 1993 08:19:43 CST." <01GVFXPHW8W28X3UUA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1993 13:53:29 EST From: David A Whittemore > In particular, I just downloaded krcstring and it > had some rather weird envelopes at the end of the loop. well i know that i do lots of sample loopings on my 16+ using modes that the EPS classic does not have. i suspect that may be part of the problem.. i have tried some such instruments on a classic before, and it just promoted the looping mode down to "start" or some such. sort of how the classic ignore the effect settings for an instrument. > When I tried to "edit wave", the EPS went berserk cant help you here though.. -david From ebs330.eb.uah.edu!claassen Fri Mar 5 11:32:25 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 146.229.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 11:31 PST Received: by ebs330.eb.uah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21981; Fri, 5 Mar 93 13:24:16 CST Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 13:24:16 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9303051924.AA21981@ebs330.eb.uah.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS memory vs. EPS-16 memory Ok, I've got 4096 blocks (1 MEG) my EPS and that's ample most of the time, except when i try to get a good drum kit and some of the better instruments on at once. But i'm not complaining (not too much...) Anyway, the instruments on the EPS are only 13-bit, while on the EPS-16 they are 16-bit. Then again the EPS-16 could have 2 megs. What I'm getting at, are the 2 MEG a lot more... or even better is one Meg on an EPS-16 less than one Meg on an EPS? I figure this, since the 16-bit samples should be significantly larger (of course they're better, but i'm not getting at this) When loading a bank on a 1 Meg EPS-16 and loading a bank on a 1 Meg EPS, do you get less room for instruments on the EPS-16? Just thinking... I'm satisfied with the sound of 13-bit, but like the two megs of the EPS-16. Do i really want to upgrade. (of course i could just save and got for the ASR-10 in a year or so...) heh... -AFC ---- claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu From ACAD.DRAKE.EDU!AAR001 Fri Mar 5 13:11:21 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.84.11.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 13:10 PST Received: from ACAD.DRAKE.EDU by ACAD.DRAKE.EDU (PMDF #2922 ) id <01GVGBUTHW10007PEC@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>; Fri, 5 Mar 1993 15:09:36 CDT Date: 05 Mar 1993 15:09:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED, THE VIDEO SCREEN IS TWO WAY" Subject: How HOT is normal for Eps? To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GVGBUTHW12007PEC@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" X-VMS-Cc: AAR001 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, My EPS classic heat sink runs hot. I don't mean warm, I mean that it runs finger blistering, Steamy infront of an open window in winter, aproximately 110-155 degress HOT!! Now, I have an old EPS. It was origionally purched by the origonal owner (I am the second) at the new products show out in east. It has a ROM V1.2 chip in it and I am running on OS 2.2. My dealer said that it crashes because ROM 1 series should only run OS 1 series, so I have ordered the Hardware Upgrade ($39.95) and the new OS 2.49 from Ensoniq. My question, is the temperatur of my keyboard normal? Is it my ROM chip? Is something seriously wrong? I'd love to hear from anyone on any of these questions... Thanks, Andrew R. P.S. In the 5 or 6 (I forget) years I have had it, I have never had it serviced. Is it normal for portions of the LCD characters to start to dissappear and the sequencer to start (Mysterously) when an EPS overheats? E-MAIL ADDRESS: AAR001@Acad.Drake.Edu From SEAS.UCLA.EDU!chenc Fri Mar 5 14:09:22 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.97.2.11 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:08 PST Received: by mott.seas.ucla.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0(UCLA 5.17)) id AA1246733 (for eps@reed.edu, from chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU); at Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:08:31 -0800 From: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) Message-Id: <9303052208.AA1246733@mott.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: How HOT is normal for Eps? To: eps@reed.edu (EPS mailing list at Reed) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:08:29 PST In-Reply-To: <01GVGBUTHW12007PEC@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>; from "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED, THE VIDEO SCREEN IS TWO WAY" at Mar 5, 93 3:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > My EPS classic heat sink runs hot. I don't mean warm, I mean that > it runs finger blistering, Steamy infront of an open window in winter, > aproximately 110-155 degress HOT!! My EPS-16+ gets like that too. It's so hot, that I can't touch it! > I'd love to hear from anyone on any of these questions... Me too. Is this normal? -- ========================================================================= Christopher Chen UCLA School of Engineering and Applied Sciences chenc@seas.ucla.edu Los Angeles, California 90024 From ecn.purdue.edu!davisonj Fri Mar 5 14:15:13 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.128.59 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:14 PST Received: by en.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA18628; Fri, 5 Mar 93 17:14:15 -0500 From: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) Message-Id: <9303052214.AA18628@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Subject: Re: How HOT is normal for Eps? To: AAR001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU (YOU ARE BEING WATCHED THE VIDEO SCREEN IS TWO WAY) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 17:14:14 EST In-Reply-To: <01GVGBUTHW12007PEC@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>; from "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED, THE VIDEO SCREEN IS TWO WAY" at Mar 5, 93 3:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Andrew R. writes: > My EPS classic heat sink runs hot. I don't mean warm, I mean that > it runs finger blistering, Steamy infront of an open window in winter, > aproximately 110-155 degress HOT!! > > Now, I have an old EPS. It was origionally purched by the origonal > owner (I am the second) at the new products show out in east. It has > a ROM V1.2 chip in it and I am running on OS 2.2. My dealer said that > it crashes because ROM 1 series should only run OS 1 series, so I have > ordered the Hardware Upgrade ($39.95) and the new OS 2.49 from Ensoniq. > > My question, is the temperatur of my keyboard normal? Is it my > ROM chip? Is something seriously wrong? It's bad design on Ensoniq's part. Get a fan and aim it at the heat sink ASAP. Don't wait to turn on the fan until the unit gets warm to the touch; run the fan whenever the EPS is powered up. This inadequate heat dissipation problem is exacerbated when you have a porked-out EPS (i.e. extra memory and/or an output expander). The more stuff you have in your EPS, the more power it draws, and the more heat it generates. > P.S. In the 5 or 6 (I forget) years I have had it, I have never had it > serviced. Is it normal for portions of the LCD characters to > start to dissappear and the sequencer to start (Mysterously) when > an EPS overheats? It may be normal for an EPS without forced-air cooling to overheat and act strangely when it does, but it certainly isn't good; your EPS is cooking itself. By the way, I had the same problem with my EPS. -- John Davison davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu From ibm4381.onet.edu!gwiner%UTCADMIN Fri Mar 5 14:47:42 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 141.110.8.15 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:46 PST Received: from OSCS_MAIL_GATE ([141.110.8.16]) by cognomen.onet.edu (5.59/1.34) id AA29641; Fri, 5 Mar 93 17:43:57 EST Received: by OSCS_MAIL_GATE with Microsoft Mail id <2B9801F0@OSCS_MAIL_GATE>; Fri, 05 Mar 93 17:44:16 EST From: gwiner%UTCADMIN@ibm4381.onet.edu To: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: How HOT is normal for Eps? Date: Fri, 05 Mar 93 17:42:00 EST Message-Id: <2B9801F0@OSCS_MAIL_GATE> Encoding: 48 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hmmm...This get's me thinking...perhaps I can install a small PC fan in the EPS. Now I just have to think of a place to make the hole...and a place to tap power from. =) Do you think I think I could share the AC in with the power supply? It's probably not worth the trouble... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ REPLY FROM: Winer, Greg Return-Path: <@IBM4381.ONET.EDU:davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu> From: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) Subject: Re: How HOT is normal for Eps? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 17:14:14 EST Andrew R. writes: > My EPS classic heat sink runs hot. I don't mean warm, I mean that > it runs finger blistering, Steamy infront of an open window in winter, > aproximately 110-155 degress HOT!! > > Now, I have an old EPS. It was origionally purched by the origonal > owner (I am the second) at the new products show out in east. It has > a ROM V1.2 chip in it and I am running on OS 2.2. My dealer said that > it crashes because ROM 1 series should only run OS 1 series, so I have > ordered the Hardware Upgrade ($39.95) and the new OS 2.49 from Ensoniq. > > My question, is the temperatur of my keyboard normal? Is it my > ROM chip? Is something seriously wrong? It's bad design on Ensoniq's part. Get a fan and aim it at the heat sink ASAP. Don't wait to turn on the fan until the unit gets warm to the touch; run the fan whenever the EPS is powered up. This inadequate heat dissipation problem is exacerbated when you have a porked-out EPS (i.e. extra memory and/or an output expander). The more stuff you have in your EPS, the more power it draws, and the more heat it generates. > P.S. In the 5 or 6 (I forget) years I have had it, I have never had it > serviced. Is it normal for portions of the LCD characters to > start to dissappear and the sequencer to start (Mysterously) when > an EPS overheats? It may be normal for an EPS without forced-air cooling to overheat and act strangely when it does, but it certainly isn't good; your EPS is cooking itself. By the way, I had the same problem with my EPS. -- John Davison davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu From uunet.UU.NET!korgrd!korgrd.com!dan Fri Mar 5 16:13:59 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.48.96.7 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 93 16:13 PST Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA08835; Fri, 5 Mar 93 19:13:22 -0500 Received: from korgrd.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 191201.2211; Fri, 5 Mar 1993 19:12:01 EST Received: from korgsmtp by korgrd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11051; Fri, 5 Mar 93 15:12:14 PST Message-Id: <9303052312.AA11051@korgrd.com> Date: 5 Mar 1993 15:13:30 -0800 From: "Dan" Subject: EPS memory vs. EPS-16 memor To: "Ensoniq User's Group" RE:EPS memory vs. EPS-16 memory 3:03 PM 3/5/93 Arne Claassen writes: > Anyway, the instruments on the EPS are only 13-bit, while on the EPS-16 they are > 16-bit. Then again the EPS-16 could have 2 megs. What I'm getting at, are the > 2 MEG a lot more... or even better is one Meg on an EPS-16 less than one Meg > on an EPS? I figure this, since the 16-bit samples should be significantly > larger (of course they're better, but i'm not getting at this) > Just thinking... I'm satisfied with the sound of 13-bit, but like the two megs > of the EPS-16. Do i really want to upgrade. (of course i could just save and > got for the ASR-10 in a year or so...) heh... I think that both instruments have up to 1 megaword of memory. (2 megabytes = 1 16-bit megaword) This is equivalent to the 4x expansion on the classic, and the 2x on the 16+. - Dan Phillips From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Sat Mar 6 08:40:55 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 6 Mar 93 08:40 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <292073>; Sat, 6 Mar 1993 11:40:26 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04776; Sat, 6 Mar 93 09:21:24 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9303061421.AA04776@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: EPSDisk v1.20 --- a little nicer To: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 09:21:23 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] EPSDisk v1.20 is at eps.reed.edu in the directory /pub/eps/incoming. New features include: easier selection of format types, auto-scanning for device info (for damaged disks, etc.), increased unit size for volume operations (copy and verify). Try and share! -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From SEAS.UCLA.EDU!chenc Sun Mar 7 05:07:38 1993 Return-Path: Received: from local by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:33 PST Received: by crowe.seas.ucla.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0(UCLA 5.17)) id AA784846 (for eps@reed.edu, from chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU); at Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:32:46 -0800 From: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) Message-Id: <9303031832.AA784846@crowe.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: Sequencer control via MIDI? To: eps@reed.edu (EPS mailing list at Reed) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 10:32:43 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > The MIDI implementation chart in the ASR-10 manual implies that > the sequencer can be started, stopped, or continued via MIDI. Does > anyone know how to do this????? > > Bill > Just send it the MIDI Start, stop or continue codes. I don't have these right offhand. Does anybody? If you start a sequencer attached to your computer, it will also send a start code to your ASR. Continuing by pressing on play will also continue the sequencer on your ASR from where it left off. Pressing the stop button on your computer's sequencer will send the stop code to the ASR. (Provided all these codes are enabled to be sent from the computer.) Chris -- ========================================================================= Christopher Chen UCLA School of Engineering and Applied Sciences chenc@seas.ucla.edu Los Angeles, California 90024 From moria.cs.su.OZ.AU!paul Sun Mar 7 14:44:05 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.78.8.208 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 7 Mar 93 14:43 PST Message-Id: Received: from moria.cs.su.OZ.AU (for reed.edu) with MHSnet; Mon, 08 Mar 1993 08:43:35 +1000 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 08:33:18 +1000 From: paul@moria.cs.su.oz.au (Paul Craig Tyler) Subject: Re: How HOT is normal for Eps? To: eps@reed.edu > From gwiner%UTCADMIN@ibm4381.onet.edu Sat Mar 6 10:10:49 1993 > To: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu, eps@reed.edu > Subject: Re: How HOT is normal for Eps? > Date: Fri, 05 Mar 93 17:42:00 EST > It's bad design on Ensoniq's part. Get a fan and aim it at the heat > sink ASAP. Don't wait to turn on the fan until the unit gets warm to the > touch; run the fan whenever the EPS is powered up. I've currently got an EPS16+ with 2 Meg and SCSI. SCSI is a new addition and it definitely doesn't like the heat. (It is summer here.) After about 30 mins of use, the SCSI conection stuffs up and I can no longer access the hard disk. (Floppies still work.) So I think it's time for a fan. Here's my question: Has anyone fitted a fan to their EPS/EPS16+? If so was it internal or external. I'd really like to mount a fan outside near the heat sink. Has anyone done this. Any insight into a system that works without doing major reconstuction on my EPS16+ would be great. Paul Tyler From ads.com!pdel Sun Mar 7 18:26:18 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 7 Mar 93 18:25 PST Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA03528; Sun, 7 Mar 93 18:28:00 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA12721; Sun, 7 Mar 93 18:27:58 -0800 Message-Id: <9303080227.AA12721@deimos.ads.com> Subject: Fan for eps To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 18:27:58 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] From ads.com!pdel Sun Mar 7 19:55:46 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 7 Mar 93 19:55 PST Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA03569; Sun, 7 Mar 93 19:57:23 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA12805; Sun, 7 Mar 93 19:57:23 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 19:57:23 -0800 Message-Id: <9303080357.AA12805@deimos.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Fan for EPS From pdel Sun Mar 7 19:55:57 1993 Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA03564; Sun, 7 Mar 93 19:55:56 -0800 From: pdel (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA12801; Sun, 7 Mar 93 19:55:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 19:55:56 -0800 Message-Id: <9303080355.AA12801@deimos.ads.com> To: pdel@ads.com Subject: Re: Fan for eps Status: R Oops, didn't insert the info! Try again: >Has anyone fitted a fan to their EPS/EPS16+? If so was it internal or external. I'd really like to mount a fan outside near the heat sink. Has anyone done this. Any insight into a system that works without doing major reconstuction on my EPS16+ would be great. Yes I put a fan outside my 16+. However the only way I found to make it removable was to get inside, remove the board that the heat sink was attached to so I could drill 2 holes and glue in 2 nuts so I could screw/unscrew the fan from outside. The fan mount is simply a piece of thin (1/64") spring steel, about 5/8" wide, and about 4" long. At the end of this I attached a computer fan. The metal piece screws in on the bottom of the 16+, right under the heat sink. The fan then ends up pointing right at the sink. I found it cools best when the airstream blows at the heat sink. If you look at your sink, you'll notice there are some holes in it. They are tapped, I believe, so you might be able to make something that screws directly into the heat sink. I opted not to do this, since the air will blow into these holes and provide a little extra air over the circuit board. The fan is a 2-1/2" kind, and I power it with an external 14V wall wart I picked up at a surplus place. The entire set up is a little extra work if you intend to haul the thing around a lot. If I'm taking it somewhere where I know it will be on for LESS than 2 ho hours or so, then just leave the fan at home I've had it hooked up at home once, where I left the 16+ on for about a week, and had no crashes. The sink was cool all the time. This fan setup doesn't put any cool air on the power supply, so I'm thinking for complete cooling, perhaps 2 fans would be needed. Even then, what about the flourescent display? That thing gets hot too, and I've read that some people had to replace their display because they burned it out ( I think they were running the board constantly, no fan ).\ Maybe we should have an 'Ultimate 16+ Fan' design contest. Winner gets 1 hour of free download time. :) pd From vines.urc.kun.nl!E.Roos%buro%KUN Mon Mar 8 01:56:19 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.174.82.170 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 93 01:55 PST Message-Id: Received: by vines.urc.kun.nl with VINES ; Mon, 8 Mar 93 10:57:09 MET Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 10:55:38 MET From: E.Roos%buro%KUN@vines.urc.kun.nl Subject: To: eps@reed.edu Cc: Bcc: I've downloaded Operating system 1.3. What extra features does it have?