From ecn.purdue.edu!del Thu Feb 11 15:57:10 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.85 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 93 15:56 PST Received: from localhost by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA20299; Thu, 11 Feb 93 18:56:30 -0500 Message-Id: <9302112356.AA20299@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: macs and bob clearmountain uploads In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Feb 1993 23:47:08 EST." <9302110447.AA06006@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 18:56:29 EST From: David A Whittemore > Any idea what it WAS written with? all of the clearmountain disks were converted to .gkh files using the epsutil.exe program. should i use something else? (for the PC) i have received some comments about overall disk size, from mac and classic users. any more disks i upload, i will therefore be <= 1000 blocks. k? i was just trying to cram as much as i could onto each disk. coming soon: snares and toms. -david From Jetson.UH.EDU!ST22R Thu Feb 11 17:25:01 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.7.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 93 17:24 PST Received: from Jetson.UH.EDU by Jetson.UH.EDU (PMDF #3125 ) id <01GULUJ8WHZ29D4XEY@Jetson.UH.EDU>; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 19:24:25 CST Date: 11 Feb 1993 19:24:25 -0600 (CST) From: "CRAZY DJ (U C ME N 3D)" Subject: bob clearmountain DAT To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GULUJ8WRLS9D4XEY@Jetson.UH.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >From: IN%"del@ecn.purdue.edu" 9-FEB-1993 21:03:57.60 >anyway. the DAT has a full 40 minutes of tons of snares, >toms, cymbals, kicks. > >what would you all like to be uploaded? single disks of >snares, cymbals, etc... or disks of built kits? > >though i would see what would be most needed. > >-david Well, if there are too many snares, too many basses, etc, which would mean (too many)*(too many), or (too many) squared :), then it would be possibly better (try it as an experiment and see how the people like it) to upload each group as a separate instrument, i.e. snares, basses, c.hihats, etc... try it -james --- SEARCHIN' FOR THE PERFECT BEAT From Jetson.UH.EDU!ST22R Thu Feb 11 17:45:27 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.7.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 93 17:45 PST Received: from Jetson.UH.EDU by Jetson.UH.EDU (PMDF #3125 ) id <01GULV7RK8H69D4XEY@Jetson.UH.EDU>; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 19:44:56 CST Date: 11 Feb 1993 19:44:56 -0600 (CST) From: "CRAZY DJ (U C ME N 3D)" Subject: eps9.gkh To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GULV7RK8H89D4XEY@Jetson.UH.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The EPS samples of Roland tr-808 are great, yes. The other file contained in eps9.gkh is "M1 DRUM 3" When I try loading this into my ASR, it crashes the system. If anyone else has had this problem, then I assume it's bad data, and could someone please upload a working one? (I used epsread on both a DD and HD.. I tried twice, both failed, though the tr-808 kit data is fine.) thanks, -james (DJKC) From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Thu Feb 11 20:25:54 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 93 20:24 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <294026>; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:24:21 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08542; Thu, 11 Feb 93 23:19:20 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302120419.AA08542@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: macs and bob clearmountain uploads To: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no (Terje Finstad) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:19:18 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) In-Reply-To: <9302120030.AAfidibus29513@fidibus.uio.no>; from "Terje Finstad" at Feb 12, 93 1:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I introduced the 58-byte thing with GKH2RAW? Gee, I didn't realize anyone but me was actually going to use that total ten-minute hack! Should I write one that checks header sizes, then? That runs on multiple platforms? The GKH2RAW thing was just a quick and dirty hack that I based on someone commenting (I think it was Kelly) that GKH headers always seemed to be 58 bytes. This was when I was a bigtime newbie. I figured that since it was for PCs, that epsread/write, epsutil and epsdisk would make it entirely obsolete and unused, as I hope they have. And anyway, what does that have to do with making other programs only accept 58-byte headers? The ONLY function of that program is to change a 819,258 byte file to a 819,200 byte file. It won't stuff it onto a disk for you, or anything; it doesn't write images to EPS disks, it's entirely obsolete, and to the best of my knowledge, nobody uses it (not even me :-) ). It seems to me that you should build in as much flexibility as possible, up to the limit of your knowledge (for GKH2IMG, close to none). For example, I was pleased (and surprised) to hear that the epsutil sector editor worked with HD disks, since I had coded low-level support for upto 32 sectors per track. As far as sending the instrument files go... Thanks for sending them, and keep on going. I haven't had time to download them yet, but maybe now (over- night) I can get it done. (I still love the Bart sample!) Terje, and others, what do you guys think of a version of EPSDisk or something similar that is cross-platform? Theoretically, all you would have to do is to rewrite the absolute sector read/write code to fit your machine, and then everything would be fine. (Terje -- what did you mean with the "two kinds of numbers" thing? If you meant big-endian vs. little-endian for the GKH header, I thought that was the way it was supposed to be (thus the I for Intel). ) -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Thu Feb 11 20:31:32 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 93 20:31 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <294100>; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:30:19 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08556; Thu, 11 Feb 93 23:23:29 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302120423.AA08556@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: macs and bob clearmountain uploads To: del@ecn.purdue.edu (David A Whittemore) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:23:21 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) In-Reply-To: <9302112356.AA20299@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu>; from "David A Whittemore" at Feb 11, 93 6:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > Any idea what it WAS written with? > > all of the clearmountain disks were converted to .gkh > files using the epsutil.exe program. should i use something else? > (for the PC) Oh. Sorry. When Terje said he couldn't read it, I assumed it wasn't GKH. As far as using something else... I'd say keep epsutil around (hey! someone's using the thing I wrote!), but try epsdisk (from the archive in the incoming directory, I think) as well. It allows file extraction, and has a formatter which creates disks that have faster access times than ordinary EPS disks. > i have received some comments about overall disk size, > from mac and classic users. any more disks i upload, > i will therefore be <= 1000 blocks. k? i was just trying > to cram as much as i could onto each disk. Great, thanks. You know, I don't care if the disk is full to the brim, just make each instrument itself less than 1000 blocks so we wimpy Classic users can load them. > coming soon: snares and toms. > -david I can't wait. -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Thu Feb 11 20:37:27 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 93 20:37 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <294074>; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:36:57 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08583; Thu, 11 Feb 93 23:31:01 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302120431.AA08583@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: COMPUTER format disks, the ASR-10, and the IBM PC To: ST22R@Jetson.UH.EDU (CRAZY DJ) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:31:00 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) In-Reply-To: <01GULV5DTKO69D4XEY@Jetson.UH.EDU>; from "CRAZY DJ" at Feb 11, 93 7:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] >COMPUTER format let's IBM read the disks normally? >If so, then you could just upload an instrument-file from an IBM, but the >this wouldn't be an image, right? So, the only way one were to download it >is to have a COMPUTER format disk (would it have to be IBM, or could it be MAC?) Remember, the sectors are numbered the same way as an IBM disk, but the file system on the disk is Ensoniq's, not DOS's. So, you still would need a program like EPSDisk, EPSUtil, or EPSWRITE to do the trick. But I think the file extraction thing in EPSDisk (if people will make sure it works first) could let people just rip out single instruments and upload them. EPSDisk can read and write single files to Ensoniq (non-COMPUTER format) disks. Basically, the COMPUTER format is unnecessary for the IBM PC, and I think for the Mac as well (Terje, can you read all of those sector 0s? I assume so...). But it might be nice for other machines, I don't really know. -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Thu Feb 11 20:43:27 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 93 20:43 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <294096>; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:42:43 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08605; Thu, 11 Feb 93 23:36:08 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302120436.AA08605@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: A note about EPSDisk, HD disks and GKH uploads To: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:36:07 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Um, a quick thought for ASR-10 users... EPSDisk lets you make GKH files any size you want. You can make a GKH image of a HD disk (and you get a file about 1.6 MB long!). However, if you are trying to upload it to the archive so that those of us with EPS Classic and 16 Plus models can use them, HD images are a problem, since neither keyboard has a HD drive. So, if you have an ASR-10 and are uploading sounds, upload them from an 800K (double-density) disk. Also, for those without expanders, keep the instruments sizes below 1000 blocks. (The disk can hold all 1586 or so blocks of data, just make that more than one instrument.) If the size is less than 1000 blocks, even those with unexpanded EPS's can load them. -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From u.washington.edu!palefox Thu Feb 11 21:36:04 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 140.142.52.11 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 93 21:34 PST Received: by carson.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA00855; Thu, 11 Feb 93 21:34:54 -0800 Sender: palefox@carson.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 21:32:15 -0800 (PST) From: Dagmar Pepping Subject: FAQ? To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Is there an FAQ that explains how to get EPS samples to and from a PC. I see all of these posts that give me a vague idea, but I'd like something that goes over it in detail, for neophytes like me. Thanks!!! From silver.lcs.mit.edu!jna Fri Feb 12 00:10:15 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 18.52.0.230 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 00:09 PST Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA11760; Fri, 12 Feb 93 03:09:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 03:09:39 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (no excuse for you) Message-Id: <9302120809.AA11760@silver.lcs.mit.edu> To: del@ecn.purdue.edu, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: macs and bob clearmountain uploads Some of us don't mind biggie disks cause we've got 4X expanders. Geesh. I don't like wasting the disk space :) Please keep stuff in PC format (.gkh or whatever it is now) cause I don't have any other way to get samples.. :) -john From adm.ruc.dk!GERT Fri Feb 12 00:38:22 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.142.144.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 00:38 PST Received: from charon.ruc.dk ([129.142.144.57]) by emma.ruc.dk (4.1/JBA-1.18) id AA13658; Fri, 12 Feb 93 09:38:40 +0100 Received: From MMF/WORKQUEUE by charon.ruc.dk via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930212093603.256; 12 Feb 93 09:36:51 +100 Message-Id: To: eps@reed.edu From: "Gert Madsen" Date: 12 Feb 93 09:36:25 MET+01DST Subject: X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R5). signoff list From poda.wins.icl.co.uk!A.Spiceley Fri Feb 12 02:03:46 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 158.43.128.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 02:03 PST X400-Received: by mta relay.pipex.net in /PRMD=pipex/ADMD=cwmail/C=GB/; Relayed; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:02:21 +0000 X400-Received: by /PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; converted (ia5 text (2)); Relayed; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:59:32 +0000 X400-Received: by /PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; Relayed; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:59:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:59:08 +0000 X400-Originator: A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk X400-Recipients: eps@reed.edu X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/;ICLPODA 0000001300007983] Original-Encoded-Information-Types: undefined (0) X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 7983 From: A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk Message-ID: <"7983*/I=A/S=Spiceley/OU=poda/O=icl/PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS 16+ OS 1.3 Could some kind soul upload the v1.3 operating system for the EPS16+? I've had no luck obtaining it from dealers and agents in the UK. (Of course it maybe somewhere on reed already in which case just tip me off where it is!) thanks Andy Spiceley A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk From login.qc.ca!taarna!paul Fri Feb 12 06:29:04 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.77.49.149 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 06:28 PST Received: from taarna by comback.login.qc.ca with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0nN1Qp-0000OuC; Fri, 12 Feb 93 09:31 EST Received: from coach.taarna.UUCP by taarna via SMTP (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for comback!reed.edu!eps id AA04900; Fri, 12 Feb 93 09:06:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9302121406.AA04900@taarna> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 09:06:04 -0500 From: comback!taarna!paul To: reed.edu!eps In-Reply-To: Dagmar Pepping's message of Thu, 11 Feb 1993 21:32:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: FAQ? >>>>> Dagmar Pepping writes: > Is there an FAQ that explains how to get EPS samples to and from a PC. I > see all of these posts that give me a vague idea, but I'd like something > that goes over it in detail, for neophytes like me. Same for the Mac, please... O.K. Pretty Please... -- Paul Provost paul@taarna.login.qc.ca provostp@ERE.UMontreal.CA Software Engineer Taarna System Inc. 305 De La Commune O., Suite 100, Montreal (514)844-8448 From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Fri Feb 12 06:44:16 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 06:43 PST Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <06774-0@pat.uio.no>; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 15:40:59 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 15:40:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 15:40:44 +0100 Message-Id: <9302121440.AAfidibus02889@fidibus.uio.no> To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no Subject: Re: macs and bob clearmountain uploads Can more confusion be created now? I'll try: For PC/epsdisk users: Keep using it. For mac users: Recompiled versions (EPSm.sea, aDownLoader6.sea) was uploaded fairly immidiately after the b.c. upload. You would have to use those. (increase memsize of aDL6 yourself for hi-speed ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - One can expect that new utilities generates offensive data for other utilities. We should all be a little helpful in reporting and testing these instances. ============================================================================= From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Fri Feb 12 06:50:57 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 06:50 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <292074>; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:50:27 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09594; Fri, 12 Feb 93 09:50:18 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302121450.AA09594@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: macs and bob clearmountain uploads To: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (no excuse for you) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:50:17 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) In-Reply-To: <9302120809.AA11760@silver.lcs.mit.edu>; from "no excuse for you" at Feb 12, 93 3:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > Some of us don't mind biggie disks cause we've got 4X expanders. > Geesh. Look, all we unexpanded folk need is for there to be no INSTRUMENT of more then 1000 blocks. I don't care if the whole disk is full or not, but I can't read a 1586-block file into memory! What's so hard about making two 700K instruments? > I don't like wasting the disk space :) > > Please keep stuff in PC format (.gkh or whatever it is now) cause I don't have > any other way to get samples.. :) > > -john Apparently, it was; there just seemed to be some confusion. -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From cs.psu.edu!mchen Fri Feb 12 09:10:27 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.203.1.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 09:10 PST Received: by colossus.cs.psu.edu id <36908>; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 12:09:51 -0500 From: Michael Chen To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPSDisk v1.11 uploaded to eps.reed.edu (very minor patch) Message-Id: <93Feb12.120951est.36908@colossus.cs.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 12:09:46 -0500 2/13/1993 ============================================================================ EPSDisk v1.11 : program for reading, writing and formatting EPS disks and images on IBM PC compatibles; extracts and writes individual files to DOS files ============================================================================ It allows the user to read and write physical disks, raw image files, and GKH files (GKH is the standard disk image format used for the EPS archive at eps.reed.edu). Version 1.11 adds the ability to extract and write EPS individual files to DOS files. EPSDisk supports different disk formats, including EPS/16+ double density 800K and ASR-10 high density 1.6MB format. It also allows non-standard formats to be created (to an extent) --- for example, it is very possible (I am using one as my boot disk) to format 82 tracks per side, for a total disk capacity of 820K (1640 blocks)! The EPSDisk formatter has a feature called sector shift, which speeds up your disk access by formatting the disk sectors in a special order. The order of sectors is staggered from one track to the next, so that the drive doesn't have to spin all the way around to start on the next track. This feature gives a truly amazing increase in disk performance from floppies! Please try it --- this alone is worth the price. Try this out: grab your OS disk, and save it to a file (GKH, or whatever). Then, format a disk with EPSDisk (double density by default; to change, use the Parameters command), and copy the disk image onto your new disk. You'll be pleasantly surprised to find your EPS boots up quite a bit faster! Also try a few bank loads, and you'll understand how neat this feature is. Enjoy! Send comments, questions, wish lists, etc. to: Michael Chen (mchen@cs.psu.edu) 144 East Cherry Lane (ground address valid until August 1993) State College, PA 16803 (USA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY CURRENT WISH LIST: Could someone please send me either a copy of the file formats for the EPS and cousins, tell me where to get one, or the same for the MIDI Sys-Ex documentation (which is supposedly very close to the file data)? Also, please keep uploading cool samples to the archive! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHAREWARE POLICY (THE "POOR STUDENT" PLUG) If you find this software useful, and use it on a regular basis, please register your copy with me. Send your ground address, your e-mail address (if you have one), and the version of EPSDisk you are using to me, along with a modest monetary donation (certainly not over $50!) and suggestions on what could be done to improve or expand the program. E-mail and ground addresses are listed above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RELEASE NOTES: The single files that EPSDisk creates are .EFE-compatible. However, if you don't specify an extension, EPSDisk tries to pick one that is descriptive of the file type (.INS, .OS, and so on). To override this, just add .EFE to the file name. I have had one report of a very strange bug when trying to copy the second disk of a multi-disk instrument. Can someone else try this for me? ============================================================================ EPSDisk revision log: <1.01 (1/27/93) Internal (non-public) versions only 1.01a (1/28/93) Fixed bug which prevented HD drives from formatting DD disks, which made the formatter useless for a lot of people. 1.01b (1/28/93) Fixed bug which messed up volume copies to and from DD disks. 1.01c (1/28/93) Fixed bug in volume formatting which caused the EPS to say "BAD DISK OS" when the disk was inserted. As it turns out, some of the diagrams in the document "EPS Floppy Disk Format Explained" are not correct -- there are columns missing from at least two of the memory dumps. 1.01d (1/28/93) Modified code from SctrEdit module of old EPSUTIL program to use the new routines -- so now EPSDisk has a sector editor (albeit a primitive one) as well. 1.10 (1/31/93) Now extracts and writes individual files to DOS files. Uses .EFE format with minor extension; tries to give informative DOS file suffix (.INS, .SQ, etc.) if not specified. 1.11 (2/13/93) Small (one-letter) patch to let Terje's .EFE files work with EPSDisk. ============================================================================= From SEAS.UCLA.EDU!chenc Fri Feb 12 10:37:25 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.97.2.8 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:36 PST Received: by babbage.seas.ucla.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0(UCLA 5.17)) id AA522893 (for eps@reed.edu, from chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU); at Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:36:29 -0800 From: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) Message-Id: <9302121836.AA522893@babbage.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: Moving this list to a newsgroup To: eps@reed.edu (EPS mailing list at Reed) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:36:26 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hey guys, I suggest we move this mailing list to a newsgroup. Are any of you out there unable to read net-news? The reason I suggest this is because after not logging in for only two days, I received 45 mailings from eps@reed.edu. This must be tying up the mail servers somewhere... And because everytime something is "posted" to this list, everyone who can't be reached bounces back a failed mailing message. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions? Chris. chenc@seas.ucla.edu P.S. Reply by sending a message to eps@reed.edu, not by replying to the author and ALSO cc'ing to eps@reed. This will prevent two messages from going back to the author. Just my two bits... From wri.com!andre Fri Feb 12 11:02:11 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 140.177.10.12 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:01 PST Received: from rurutu.wri.com by dragonfly.wri.com with SMTP id AA10535 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 12 Feb 1993 13:01:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 13:01:29 -0600 From: andre@wri.com Message-Id: <9302121901.AA04509@rurutu.wri.com> Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup > Christopher Chen says: > I suggest we move this mailing list to a newsgroup. I always assumed the list was not up to the critical threshold to get enough votes for a newsgroup to fly, but I would be happy to see it on the net. I agree that there's more mail than is easy to handle in one's mailbox. But what happens if anyone can't get the newsgroup? Is there a way for those people to get mail of all the posted articles? AK From ibm4381.onet.edu!gwiner%UTCADMIN Fri Feb 12 11:06:17 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 141.110.8.15 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:05 PST Received: from OSCS_MAIL_GATE ([141.110.8.16]) by cognomen.onet.edu (5.59/1.34) id AA05084; Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:02:31 EST From: gwiner%UTCADMIN@ibm4381.onet.edu Received: by OSCS_MAIL_GATE with Network-Courier id <2B7C1E7A@OSCS_MAIL_GATE>; Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:02:34 Subject: Moving this list to a newsgroup To: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:02:00 Message-Id: <2B7C1E7A@OSCS_MAIL_GATE> X-Mailer: Network Courier V2.1a Encoding: 13 TEXT Does anyone have any comments or suggestions? Chris. chenc@seas.ucla.edu ================================================== Actually, I prefer to get it as a mailing list...I like getting messages from time to time in my Microsoft mailbox at work, which has a much better editor than the local Usenet connection, which half the time is too busy with traffic to connect to anyway. In fact, I was just thinking today that it would be neat to be able to "subscribe" to usenet groups as well, and therefore bypass the need for a connection to the usenet server. From silver.lcs.mit.edu!kalin Fri Feb 12 11:41:29 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 18.52.0.230 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:39 PST Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA16035; Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:39:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:39:38 -0500 From: kalin@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Dan Kalin) Message-Id: <9302121939.AA16035@silver.lcs.mit.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Cc: del@ecn.purdue.edu In-Reply-To: de l`abattoir's message of Tue, 9 Feb 93 21:55:28 -0500 <9302100255.AA01019@soils.ecn.purdue.edu> Subject: bob clearmountain DAT Not to be judgemental or anything like that, but the Bob Clearmountain CD is copyrighted and therefore it is illegal to put them on the EPS ftp site for distribution. Am I wrong? Has anyone else thought of the implications of this? -dan From ecn.purdue.edu!del Fri Feb 12 11:45:45 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.85 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:44 PST Received: by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA10719; Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:44:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:44:19 -0500 From: del@ecn.purdue.edu (de l`abattoir) Message-Id: <9302121944.AA10719@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu, kalin@silver.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: bob clearmountain DAT Cc: del@ecn.purdue.edu > but the Bob Clearmountain CD is copyrighted. did ensoniq get permission when they made the "choice drums" kit? i am not saying that you are wrong. is there *any* amount of diddling one can do to a sample before it is their own? if not, then all sampling is illegal. i am not selling anything here. -david From ecn.purdue.edu!del Fri Feb 12 11:54:43 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.85 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:54 PST Received: by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA11124; Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:54:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:54:11 -0500 From: del@ecn.purdue.edu (de l`abattoir) Message-Id: <9302121954.AA11124@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: bye-bye i have removed all of the clearmountain files i had uploaded to nexttues. the last thing i want to do is get the site and mailing list into trouble. -david From ebs330.eb.uah.edu!claassen Fri Feb 12 12:41:36 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 146.229.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 12:40 PST Received: by ebs330.eb.uah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15135; Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:35:00 CST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:35:00 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9302122035.AA15135@ebs330.eb.uah.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: re:Moving this list to a newsgroup I always prefer browsing through a newsgroup more than soring through my mail files. Unfortunately I have one of those divine newservers at my school that writes off half of the newsgroups as Bogus and in addition does not let me post on newsgroups.. Arne PS: Does anyone have the mail address for posting on rec.music.makers.synth and comp.music? Thanks in advance. From ebs330.eb.uah.edu!claassen Fri Feb 12 12:46:13 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 146.229.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 12:44 PST Received: by ebs330.eb.uah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15179; Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:39:55 CST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:39:55 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9302122039.AA15179@ebs330.eb.uah.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: re: bob clearmountain DAT >i am not saying that you are wrong. is there *any* amount of diddling >one can do to a sample before it is their own? if not, then all sampling >is illegal >-david please let's not start the sampling (when is it your sound) legality talk here I have listened to it on r.m.m.s and r.m.i for way too long and there I could use a killfile... Arne From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Fri Feb 12 13:14:58 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 13:14 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <292477>; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:13:00 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10448; Fri, 12 Feb 93 16:05:14 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302122105.AA10448@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: EPSdisk To: A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:05:13 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) In-Reply-To: <"8019*/I=A/S=Spiceley/OU=poda/O=icl/PRMD=iclexpo/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS>; from "A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk" at Feb 12, 93 2:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > In a recent msg to EPS you mentioned EPSdisk in the same breath > as epsutil, epswrite etc. Is this another utility which is > available by ftp from reed? I didn't see anything in the > pub/eps/utils directory which looked as if it was called > epsdisk. EPSDisk hasn't been moved to the utils directory yet... it's still in the incoming directory. -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From acd4.acd.com!greene Fri Feb 12 13:58:04 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.48.96.7 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 13:57 PST Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA29894; Fri, 12 Feb 93 16:57:29 -0500 Received: from acd4.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 165655.11265; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:56:55 EST Received: by IEDVB.acd.com (5.57/Ultrix2.3-C) id AA05214; Fri, 12 Feb 93 16:46:52 -0500 From: greene@acd4.acd.com ( Jonathan Greene ) Message-Id: <9302122146.AA05214@IEDVB.acd.com> Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 16:46:51 EST Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9302121836.AA522893@babbage.seas.ucla.edu>; from "Christopher Chen" at Feb 12, 93 10:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi! I'd like to keep this as a mailling list. I like being notified when there's something new to see. If mail buils up to quickly, I save it in a different folder (I'm using elm). I look at it when I have time. I also find it much easier to weed out the messages I don't want to keep. I'm more likely to read and discard/keep messages I get in the mail than look at a bunch of articles in a newsgroup I haven't looked at in a while. Some newsgroups are just too big to read everything. Its very easy to miss a certain article (for instance, an article that 7 or 8 other articles refer to. If you get it in mail, its only gone if you deleted it.). There are always requests for reposts because somebody didn't get something. I haven't really seen that problem with this mailling list. Also, somebody else mentioned that a newsgroup might not be available to all that get their EPS information through e-mail now. It would be a shame to lose this great source that keeps my EPS (classic) alive and supported. Also, I have never had messages bounce back to me from people on the list who don't receive what I send (as someone complained). Just my opinion, Jon Greene From horde Fri Feb 12 14:20:01 1993 Return-Path: Received: from local by romulus.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:19 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 13:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr. Heiji Horde" Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup To: andre@wri.com cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9302121901.AA04509@rurutu.wri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Feb 1993 andre@wri.com wrote: > > Christopher Chen says: > > I suggest we move this mailing list to a newsgroup. > > I always assumed the list was not up to the critical threshold to get > enough votes for a newsgroup to fly, but I would be happy to see it > on the net. I agree that there's more mail than is easy to handle in > one's mailbox. But what happens if anyone can't get the newsgroup? Is > there a way for those people to get mail of all the posted articles? Current membership for the list is 190 people. Statistics for ftp.reed.edu (since Dec 1, 1992): Total bytes transferred: 804177946 Daily average: 10179468 The eps archive has accounted for 87% of this traffic. Size of ftp.reed.edu: 82M Eps files: 62M If this were to go to a newsgroup, then I'd have to ask that the EPS archives move somewhere else. We only have a 56kb link to the internet and it tends to be very loaded nowadays with local traffic (i.e. students). I think with a newsgroup, the amount of people who ftp will bring my internet link down to its knees. As for reducing the amount of mail you get, I'm almost ready to make a weekly version of what goes through the mailing list. This will simply mean mailing a copy of the latest mailing digest every Sunday. (Testing this over the weekend.) For people who can't read/send to a newsgroup. There can be a site which archives all the articles posted to the group. And another mail alias which injects news articles to the net (don't know quite how to explain this one, but I know how it can be done). -Heiji (horde@reed.edu) From max.uh.cwru.edu!ellert Fri Feb 12 15:21:14 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.22.168.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 15:20 PST Received: by nu1.uh.cwru.edu (MX V3.1C) id 26006; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 18:19:54 EST Sender: ellert@max.uh.cwru.edu Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 18:19:51 EST From: ellert@nu1.uh.cwru.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-ID: <0096808A.BF6DBA80.26006@nu1.uh.cwru.edu> Subject: bob clearmountain DAT legality Hi, I don't know the details of the copyright laws, but a lot has to do with what rights are reserved by the copyrighter. I think that a big chunk of public domain software is copyrighted but explicitly distributable. So, what does it say on that DAT? Ed From u.washington.edu!palefox Fri Feb 12 17:21:18 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.95.136.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 17:20 PST Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA02369; Fri, 12 Feb 93 17:19:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 17:19:38 -0800 From: Dagmar Pepping Message-Id: <9302130119.AA02369@hardy.u.washington.edu> Sender: palefox@hardy.u.washington.edu To: chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup I second moving the list to a newsproug, er newsgroup! From physics.su.OZ.AU!studer Fri Feb 12 18:27:51 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.78.129.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 18:27 PST Received: from alfven.physics.su.OZ.AU by physics.su.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA06442 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 13 Feb 1993 13:27:03 +1100 Received: by alfven.physics.su.OZ.AU (4.1/5.17) id AA05633; Sat, 13 Feb 93 13:27:02 EST From: studer@physics.su.OZ.AU (Andrew Studer) Message-Id: <9302130227.AA05633@alfven.physics.su.OZ.AU> Subject: List to newsgroup. To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 13:27:00 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I frankly don't agree with the idea of moving the list to a newsgroup. Here's why 1) Not everyone will get access, or be able to post to, "alt.eps" 2) Any minor legality problems- such as the Bob Clearmountain thing- can get cleared up quickly before some outside observer gets upset. There's probably not much difference here, but I prefer to be "gently informed" by a fellow list member rather than by any arbitrary individual. This leads me to: 3) there's no sense of community on a newsgrouop. Newsgroups are subject to any idiot who hops on and makes irrelevant posts. Hands up all of us who have seen some indiviudual who, having discovered the joys of news, post some ridiculous message to every group they can get their hands on. Hello Newsgroup means Bye Bye Signal to Noise Ratio. 4) I think the interaction between the site list and the mailing list works better than a site list/ newgroup interaction. Don't ask me to try and justify this, it's just a gut response. 5) Without wanting to have an apathetic If It Ain't Broke Don't Fix It attitude, the point remains, the mailing list Ain't Broke. How would a newsgroup Fix It? Just my 2 cents... Andrew Studer... studer@physics.su.oz.au From uu2.psi.com!onyx!rutile.telesciences.com!msavasti Fri Feb 12 18:32:19 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.145.228.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 18:31 PST Received: from onyx.UUCP by uu2.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18654 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 19:11:50 -0500 Received: by onyx.telesciences.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 18:01 EST Received: by slate.telesciences.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.3) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 18:01 EST Received: by rutile.telesciences.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 17:42 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 18:01 EST From: msavasti@telesciences.com (Michael Savastio) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup In message <9302121836.AA522893@babbage.seas.ucla.edu>, chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) writes: >I suggest we move this mailing list to a newsgroup. [...] >[...] after not logging in for only two days, I received >45 mailings from eps@reed.edu. This must be tying up the mail >servers somewhere... [...] > >Does anyone have any comments or suggestions? If we move it to a newsgroup, then we'd have to sift through flame bait from K2000 owners and ARTIcLES on how YOU can run THE EPS for FREE usING free ENERgy TEchnoLOGY! It seems like an awful lot of the messages that get posted to this mailing list are "personal" in nature, eg "Hey so-and-so, could you add such-and-such a feature to your utility?" followed by several "I'd like to see that feature, too" messages. About 95% of the traffic in the past few days seems to be like this. Wouldn't it make better sense to send wish lists and bug reports privately to the authors of these utilities, who could then inform the rest of us with a periodic status posting? Even one status message per day would be an improvement over the 20 or so that we've been getting, and I'm sure said authors would appreciate not having to post a response real-time to every single message they get. Of course, this may remove from the informal, conversational feel of the mailing list, but the price may be worth the benefit of having a service that provides information that is applicable to more than a few people. You can write these opinions off as the jealous, bitter rantings of a frustrated Amiga owner who wishes there were so many neat Amiga utilities as there are for PCs and Macs. -- The above opinions are mine alone and cannot be _____ held by anyone else without prior written consent. /o\ \________________________________________________________________ 8 8 ===o=xoo=x=o=xo=ox=== Michael Savastio (m.savastio@telesci.uucp) \_/___/ *******^*******^ 351 New Albany Road, Moorestown NJ 08057 From silver.lcs.mit.edu!jna Fri Feb 12 19:36:15 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 18.52.0.230 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 19:35 PST Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA19822; Fri, 12 Feb 93 22:35:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 22:35:37 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (if your heart skips a beat stay on your feet) Message-Id: <9302130335.AA19822@silver.lcs.mit.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Don't move it. DOn't move it off to a newsgroup. We'd have to to deal with idiots, and It makes life harder to post. at least with mail, I can just hit R, do a reply and go from there.. when I have to respond to mail, I have to wait for the fucking thing to connect to the nntpserver , and that takes EONS. I'd hardly read/post anymore.. It's much more personal this way... I run ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu, and we're up to 200 users, and we're never going newsgroup.. -john From ACAD.DRAKE.EDU!AAR001 Fri Feb 12 20:22:22 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.84.11.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 93 20:22 PST Received: from ACAD.DRAKE.EDU by ACAD.DRAKE.EDU (PMDF #2922 ) id <01GUNEXFWZWG002CZ8@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 22:20:52 CDT Date: 12 Feb 1993 22:20:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED, THE VIDEO SCREEN IS TWO WAY" Subject: My $0.02 : No to News To: EPS@REED.edu Message-id: <01GUNEXFWZWI002CZ8@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"EPS@REED.edu" X-VMS-Cc: AAR001 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Although I like news, I often forget to read it and our small server kicks messages through really faster than I can read them. When mail is sent to me, I am forced to read them and they don't get by me. As far as I am conscerned we could do both, but I prefer an EPS ListServ's over an EPS newsgroup. -Andy Russell -- || BUNGEE SIDEWAYS! o ))) || /-- /// |P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ \\\ __ -_ || Andrew A. Russell AAR001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU ((( (_)T(_) From mail.uunet.ca!web.apc.org!becker!bdb Sat Feb 13 02:30:50 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:becker!bdb@web.apc.org> Received: from 192.48.96.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 02:29 PST Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA17130; Sat, 13 Feb 93 05:29:51 -0500 Received: from web.apc.org ([142.77.253.8]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <11465(5)>; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 04:40:33 -0500 Received: from becker by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0nNFSV-0000dHC; Sat, 13 Feb 93 00:30 EST Received: by becker.GTS.ORG (smail2.5/bdb-15Aug90) id AA00814; Sat, 13 Feb 93 00:32:32 EST (-0500) Newsgroups: mlin.eps Path: bdb From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup Message-Id: <1993Feb13.053009.723@becker.GTS.ORG> Reply-To: news@becker.GTS.ORG Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario References: <9302121836.AA522893@babbage.seas.ucla.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 00:30:09 -0500 To: eps@reed.edu In article <9302121836.AA522893@babbage.seas.ucla.edu> chenc@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Christopher Chen) writes: |Hey guys, |I suggest we move this mailing list to a newsgroup. Are any of |you out there unable to read net-news? The reason I suggest this |is because after not logging in for only two days, I received |45 mailings from eps@reed.edu. This must be tying up the mail |servers somewhere... And because everytime something is "posted" |to this list, everyone who can't be reached bounces back a failed |mailing message. | |Does anyone have any comments or suggestions? I'm reading the list as a newsgroup - I inject it into news as a moderated group with the list mail address as the moderator It's also possible to subdistribute it by sending the resulting news article to a locally-maintained mailing list That way both news & email can work together; if someone posts to the newsgroup it appears in the mailing list & vice versa -- ,u, Bruce Becker Toronto, Ontario a /i/ Internet: bdb@becker.gts.org Uucp: ...!web!becker!bdb `\o\-e "...symbolising Excitement and Fun." _< /_ -- Disneyland North investment brochure From ebs330.eb.uah.edu!claassen Sat Feb 13 09:43:48 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 146.229.4.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 09:43 PST Received: by ebs330.eb.uah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20068; Sat, 13 Feb 93 11:38:35 CST Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 11:38:35 CST From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) Message-Id: <9302131738.AA20068@ebs330.eb.uah.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Help EPS!! I'm looking at buying an EPS with 4X memory exapnsion and SCSI.. Since i've only informaed myself about EPS-16s, i'm somewhat at a loss.. the $X memory expansion is how much memory? What bit resolution are the samples on the EPS and is $1000 a good deal? (this is also with eight individual outs?) Finally how exapndable is the unit for future growth? Thanks... Arne From AB.WVNET.EDU!WILLIAMS Sat Feb 13 10:53:42 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.62 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 10:53 PST Received: from 129.71.2.1 by scratchy.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.23) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 10:53 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (WILLIAMS@AB) by WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU (PMDF V4.2-7 #042B1) id <01GUOB3TRM6O94DO7L@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 13:52:24 EST Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 13:52:24 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Williams Subject: EPS Classic To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GUOB3TVMV694DO7L@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> X-VMS-To: NET::"eps@reed.edu" X-VMS-Cc: ME MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > From: claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Arne Claassen (ISE)) > > the $X memory expansion is how much memory? I forget the numbers, but it's pretty decent. 4096 blocks of sample memory plus 1024 blocks of sequence memory. There is no way to use one as the other. > What bit resolution are the samples on the EPS > and is $1000 a good deal? (this is also with eight individual outs?) Here's a hint. I refer to mine as an EPS 13-minus :-). It still sounds fine. The 13 bits, although fewer than more recent units, are one more than a Kurzweil 250, so don't panic. And yes, $1000 is a fantastic price for an EPS fully stocked, like yours. > Finally how exapndable is the unit for future growth? Very (in my opinion), but it's all been used up. Yours has been expanded to the max -- about $500 worth! -Tom Williams Alderson-Broaddus College WILLIAMS@AB.WVNET.EDU From mail.uunet.ca!web.apc.org!becker!bdb Sat Feb 13 11:16:59 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:becker!bdb@web.apc.org> Received: from 192.48.96.5 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 11:16 PST Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA07169; Sat, 13 Feb 93 14:16:44 -0500 Received: from web.apc.org ([142.77.253.8]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <9662(5)>; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 14:16:41 -0500 Received: from becker by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0nNSIE-000098C; Sat, 13 Feb 93 19:12 GMT Received: by becker.GTS.ORG (smail2.5/bdb-15Aug90) id AA14245; Sat, 13 Feb 93 13:57:47 EST (-0500) Newsgroups: mlin.eps Path: bdb From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) Subject: Re: List to newsgroup. Message-Id: <1993Feb13.185357.14130@becker.GTS.ORG> Reply-To: news@becker.GTS.ORG Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario References: <9302130227.AA05633@alfven.physics.su.OZ.AU> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 13:53:57 -0500 To: eps@reed.edu In article <9302130227.AA05633@alfven.physics.su.OZ.AU> studer@physics.su.OZ.AU (Andrew Studer) writes: |I frankly don't agree with the idea of moving the list to a newsgroup. |Here's why | |1) Not everyone will get access, or be able to post to, "alt.eps" you can have both together so this is not a problem (see my previous posting for details) |3) there's no sense of community on a newsgrouop. Newsgroups are subject to |any idiot who hops on and makes irrelevant posts. Hands up all of us who have |seen some indiviudual who, having discovered the joys of news, post some |ridiculous message to every group they can get their hands on. Hello |Newsgroup means Bye Bye Signal to Noise Ratio. this is entirely dependent on the newgroup - there are several analogous groups such as comp.sys.3b1 or alt.intergraph where there is defintiely the same sense of community & no flames, noise, or the like -- ,u, Bruce Becker Toronto, Ontario a /i/ Internet: bdb@becker.gts.org Uucp: ...!web!becker!bdb `\o\-e "...symbolising Excitement and Fun." _< /_ -- Disneyland North investment brochure From u.washington.edu!palefox Sat Feb 13 11:18:06 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.95.136.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 11:17 PST Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA10987; Sat, 13 Feb 93 11:17:57 -0800 Sender: palefox@hardy.u.washington.edu Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 11:14:25 -0800 (PST) From: Dagmar Pepping Subject: 8 Output Expander To: eps@reed.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii I'm looking for an 8 output expander for my EPS. Who would have good price on those things? Thanks in advance! (Anybody have one they want to sell?) From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Sat Feb 13 13:17:57 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 13:17 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <292309>; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 16:17:34 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12292; Sat, 13 Feb 93 16:17:21 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302132117.AA12292@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: EPS Classic To: WILLIAMS@AB.WVNET.EDU (Tom Williams) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 16:17:20 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS List) In-Reply-To: <01GUOB3TVMV694DO7L@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; from "Tom Williams" at Feb 13, 93 1:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > What bit resolution are the samples on the EPS > > and is $1000 a good deal? (this is also with eight individual outs?) > > Here's a hint. I refer to mine as an EPS 13-minus :-). It > still sounds fine. The 13 bits, although fewer than more > recent units, are one more than a Kurzweil 250, so don't > panic. As I recall, the EPS Classic has 16-bit output, but only 13-bit sampling from the audio in. -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From AB.WVNET.EDU!WILLIAMS Sat Feb 13 14:54:29 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.71.2.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 14:53 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (WILLIAMS@AB) by WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU (PMDF V4.2-7 #042B1) id <01GUOJUTVRXC96VVOQ@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 17:52:30 EST Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 17:52:30 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Williams Subject: 16 bit output To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GUOJUTWUIA96VVOQ@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> X-VMS-To: NET::"eps@reed.edu" X-VMS-Cc: ME MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > As I recall, the EPS Classic has 16-bit output, but only 13-bit sampling from > the audio in. Huh. I didn't know that. Does it interpolate, or are the three low-order bits all zeroes? If the latter, it would still be 13 bit resolution. On the other hand, that would imply that with a minor software tweak you could play 16-plus samples back at 16-bit resolution. Nah. Can't be. :-) -Tom From sndcrft.dialix.oz.au!steveq Sat Feb 13 18:41:33 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 18:40 PST Received: from uniwa.uwa.edu.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA06373; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 13:40:04 +1100 (from steveq@sndcrft.dialix.oz.au) Received: from perth.DIALix.oz.au (DIALix.oz.au) by uniwa.uwa.edu.au with SMTP (5.65c) id AA05665; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 10:39:51 +0800 Received: from sndcrft by perth.DIALix.oz.au id aa18269; 14 Feb 93 10:37 WST Received: by sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0070r; Tue, 3 Jan 78 07:55:52 PST Date: Tue, 3 Jan 78 07:55:52 PST Message-Id: <7801031555.AA0070q@sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au> Organization: Sound Craft Creative Music From: Steve Quartly To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Newsgroup NO! Hi, Just for the record, I'd like to cast my vote as being a NO to moving to a newsgroup. I much prefer it as mail. Hey Scott how about posting the FAQ again for the people wish to download from nexttues.reed.edu but don't know how. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> S t e v e Q u a r t l y, P e r t h W e s t e r n A u s t r a l i a, _--_|\ N PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (295 3359). / \ W + E Perth --> *_.--._/ S 43rd Law of Computing: Anything tha can go wr v error: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped. steveq@sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From psuvax1.cs.psu.edu!sol4.cs.psu.edu!mchen Sat Feb 13 21:00:43 1993 Return-Path: <@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu:mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Received: from 130.203.1.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 20:59 PST Received: from sol4.cs.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <294237>; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 23:59:24 -0500 Received: by sol4.cs.psu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12787; Sat, 13 Feb 93 23:59:14 EST From: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) Message-Id: <9302140459.AA12787@sol4.cs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: 16 bit output To: WILLIAMS@AB.WVNET.EDU (Tom Williams) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 23:59:13 -0500 Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <01GUOJUTWUIA96VVOQ@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; from "Tom Williams" at Feb 13, 93 5:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > As I recall, the EPS Classic has 16-bit output, but only 13-bit sampling from > > the audio in. > > Huh. I didn't know that. Does it interpolate, or are the > three low-order bits all zeroes? If the latter, it would > still be 13 bit resolution. On the other hand, that would > imply that with a minor software tweak you could play > 16-plus samples back at 16-bit resolution. > > Nah. Can't be. :-) > > -Tom I don't know, but those EPS 16+ sounds come out really well on the Classic. I wouldn't be surprised if it was managing 16 bits anyway. -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From concorde.convex.com!wb5nrn!jack Sat Feb 13 21:59:47 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 130.168.1.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 13 Feb 93 21:58 PST Received: from concorde.convex.com by convex.convex.com (5.64/1.35) id AA02058; Sat, 13 Feb 93 23:58:38 -0600 Received: from wb5nrn.UUCP by concorde.convex.com (5.61++/1.28) id AA13001; Sun, 14 Feb 93 22:33:29 -0600 Received: by wb5nrn.cirr.com (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Sat, 13 Feb 93 22:20:12 CST for eps@reed.edu To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Random answers to random questions From: jack@wb5nrn.cirr.com (jack schieffer) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 22:20:10 CST Organization: Radio Amateur WB5NRN system, Dallas, Texas I noticed several questions in the mail from the last couple of days that never seemed to be answered, so I figured I'd take a shot at them. I don't remember who asked them. If these questions have already been addressed, publicly or privately, then ignore this note. Here goes: 1. Someone was wondering what is the problem with the M1 Drums in eps9.gkh. I also had a problem with that file. It seemed to download okay and write to an EPS floppy. But when I loaded it into my keyboard, it locked up. I think its safe to assume the data is corrupt. 2. Someone noticed some weirdness with filter settings when transferring sounds from a 16+ to a classic. Well, the story is, on the 16+ teh filter cutoff goes to 150 as opposed to 127 on the Classic. So, if a 16+ sound with a value above 127 is loaded in a Classic, it doesn't quite know what to do, hence the strange noises. To fix this problem, simply edit the filter cutoff to 127 or below. There shouldn't be a problem transferring from Classic to 16+. 3. Someone was looking for OS 1.3 for a 16+. I know I saw it somewhere on the ftp site, probably in /pub/eps/incoming or maybe in /pub/eps/system-software. Try getting a listing of yhose directories. 4. The biggie!! About the Clearmountain CD samples being uploaded to the ftp site. This is probably a really bad idea. When those sounds are fixed in a sound recording (i.e. a sampling CD) they become copyrighted and copying them without permission is illegal. Someone asked if that makes all sampling illegal? Well, only sampling from a copyrighted work. Sampling an acoustic instrument or directly from another synthesizer is okay because those do not fall into the sound recording or other copyrightable form. Also, even though the Clearmountain samples were being uploaded for free, and not sold, doesn't make it legal. The other big no-no is to copy commercial samples, because they are also copyrighted. One thing to note, all this only applies if the copyright holder doesn't give permisiion for copying. So, if the CD says you can copy and distribute it freely, then ther's no problem. Sorry to be so long-winded, but this is a potentially serious matter. Hope you enjoyed your Introduction to Copyright 101. Happy Sampling Jack --- jack@wb5nrn.cirr.com (jack schieffer) From ecn.purdue.edu!del Sun Feb 14 01:27:04 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.85 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 01:25 PST Received: by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA08022; Sun, 14 Feb 93 04:25:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 04:25:56 -0500 From: del@ecn.purdue.edu (de l`abattoir) Message-Id: <9302140925.AA08022@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: upload: Tunings.txt.Z hello all. i converted the scale ratio tables that Terje Finstad submitted a week ago into full-blown EPS key/cent tables. the file is /pub/eps/incoming/Tunings.txt.Z and contains the 60-odd scales that Terje had presented as ratios. although i havent checked them yet, my generated tables *look* right, and match the few that Terje expanded. fragments: WHITE Soft diaton From lou harrison a soft diatonic Notes in scale: 7 --- Terje Data --- Given As --- Calculated Cents --- EPS Tuning --- 1/1 Ratio 0.00 4C 0 21/20 84.47 4C 84 6/5 315.64 4D+ 15 4/3 498.04 4E 98 3/2 701.96 4G 1 63/40 786.42 4G 86 9/5 1017.60 4A+ 17 BLACK S Pacific Observed south pacific xylophone tuning Notes in scale: 5 --- Terje Data --- Given As --- Calculated Cents --- EPS Tuning --- 0 Cents 0.00 4C 0 202 202.00 4D 1 370 370.00 4D+ 69 685 685.00 4F+ 85 903 903.00 4A 2 the tables show the orginal data, what it was represented as (Ratio/Cents/Relative), the calculated cents i got, and the EPS tuning. the WHITE/BLACK (if noted) is from the original description and tells on which keys the scale actually exists. the top of the Tunings.txt file contains instructions on how to get them into EPS pitchtables. have fun. -david del@ecn.purdue.edu "a girl is an animal with long pointy horns" - vergiftung From umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu!smills Sun Feb 14 12:35:49 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.255.1.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 12:34 PST Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Sun, 14 Feb 93 14:34:12 -0600 id AA26666 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/920629) on Sun, 14 Feb 93 14:33:41 -0600 id AA28759 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 14:28:37 -0600 (CST) From: MuffinHead Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup To: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9302121836.AA522893@babbage.seas.ucla.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm always against moving mailing lists to newsgroups. Lots of reasons. More people have Inet mail access than UseNet access. Newsgroups are prone to dweebs flaming and posting lots of off-topic junk. This list doesn't generate enough traffic to validate the news-reader-is-easier argument. I read mail every day - only fire up nn a couple times a week. Muff ___________________________________________________________________________ smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu -=<*>=- MuffinHed@aol.com From AB.WVNET.EDU!WILLIAMS Sun Feb 14 13:30:34 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 129.71.2.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 13:30 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (WILLIAMS@AB) by WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU (PMDF V4.2-7 #042B1) id <01GUPV9SQ8MO984LAB@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 16:29:15 EST Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 16:29:15 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Williams Subject: Newsgroup versus List To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GUPV9SRB7M984LAB@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> X-VMS-To: NET::"eps@reed.edu" X-VMS-Cc: ME MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I also prefer a mailing list to a newsgroup. I read a few newsgroups regularly, and am also on four lists that I consider "important" enough to deal with. I also appreciate the low S/N ratio. -Tom Williams Alderson-Broaddus College WILLIAMS@AB.WVNET.EDU From ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com!TKUITTINEN Sun Feb 14 14:15:55 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.228.128.211 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 14:15 PST Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 0:17:20 +0300 (EET) From: TKUITTINEN@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com (Timo Kuittinen p. +358 0 5104 4624) Message-Id: <930215001720.21c0947e@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com> Subject: Save the mailing list, please! To: eps@reed.edu X-Vmsmail-To: INET"eps@reed.edu" Hello Everybody! ================ I vote no to moving to a newsgroup. Someone made a very good point about cencorship. As a newsgroup, every net police wannabee could destroy the whole service just because of a couple of badly chosen remarks or something like the Clearmount sampling affair. I don't know if anybody was following what happened to John Rossi in r.m.s. but I'd hate to see eps.reed.edu die EPS-wise, because of a similar incident. >> If we move it to a newsgroup, then we'd have to sift through flame >> bait from K2000 owners and ARTIcLES on how YOU can run THE EPS for >> FREE usING free ENERgy TEchnoLOGY! Yes, exactly. I think it is better to post an add once in a while to r.m.m.s and/or r.m.s to let potential new EPS-users in on this wonderful "back-scratching" service. >> Wouldn't >> it make better sense to send wish lists and bug reports privately >> to the authors of these utilities, who could then inform the rest >> of us with a periodic status posting? Hear, hear. Now, if we/I just could get a list of the subscribers with their mail addresses, so I could contact you/these people personally. It could be a file on the archive, no? Oh, I guess I haven't introduced myself yet. I've been eagerly following the discussions and trying out the samples/utilities but until now haven't had anything to say. So, pleased to meet you all, I'm Timo Kuittinen from Finland (maybe a new part of the globe now covered?) and I've been an EPS16-PLUS module user for couple of months now. t. Timo ======= From microsoft.com!paulra Sun Feb 14 14:25:06 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.107.1.3 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 14:24 PST Received: by netmail.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AB02644; Sun, 14 Feb 93 14:22:53 -0800 Message-Id: <9302142222.AB02644@netmail.microsoft.com> X-Msmail-Message-Id: 7B52E279 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 7B52E279 From: Paul Racey To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 14:21:28 PST Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup YES YES YES YES ---------- From: Dagmar Pepping To: ; Subject: Re: Moving this list to a newsgroup Date: Friday, February 12, 1993 5:19PM I second moving the list to a newsproug, er newsgroup! From nwnexus.wa.com!sounds!brianw Sun Feb 14 16:14:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.135.191.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 16:13 PST Received: by nwnexus.wa.com id AA26269 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for reed.edu!eps); Sun, 14 Feb 1993 16:09:51 -0800 Received: by sounds. (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA03085; Sun, 14 Feb 93 16:07:38 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 16:07:38 -0800 From: Brian Willoughby Message-Id: <9302150007.AA03085@sounds.> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: EPS newsgroup NOT! Subject: Re: 16 bit output Reply-To: sounds!brianw@nwnexus.wa.com | > > As I recall, the EPS Classic has 16-bit output, but only 13-bit sampling from | > > the audio in. | | I don't know, but those EPS 16+ sounds come out really well on | the Classic. I wouldn't be surprised if it was managing 16 bits | anyway. Well, in response to this: first the facts and then some conjecture. - I can't say that I have seen every revision of the EPS Classic motherboard, but I have opened several EPS cases and seen two or three different versions of the circuit layout. None of them ever had any more than 13-bits of DRAM for sample/sequence memory. So you could load a 16-bit sample from floppy or SCSI into memory without any error, but the three least significant bits would go to /dev/null because there is nowhere to store them. The ROM OS is in a pair of 8-bit ROMs, and the RAM OS loads into a pair of 8-bits RAMs, so that the 68000 can execute 16-bit opcodes. This is why the EPS OS is limited - you can't even trade sample memory for OS memory because there is no 68000 program which can run out of 13-bit RAM (the 68000 opcodes are all 16-bit!) - I've called and spoken to some of the core Ensoniq engineers (years ago before the EPS could be called "Classic"), and while they wouldn't say exactly what accuracy the D/A was, they never claimed it was perfectly equivalent to 16-bits. Not every A/D (and D/A) is perfectly accurate. If you think about the best case, you are talking about the value of the least-significant bit (the LSB) in volts. You can never guarantee that some input values won't be as far away as 1/2 LSB from the closest voltage for the given resolution. For this reason (by definition) the best converters have an accuracy of 1/2 LSB (although the chip can be infinitely accurate, it would still sometimes detect a voltage as 1/2 LSB different than its true analog voltage). When pressed for cost, companies will often use converters with 1 LSB, 2 LSB or 4 LSB maximum error, which is far worse than "perfect" as one might expect from digital audio. - Now for a little conjecture: the EPS Classic may have had a 13-bit A/D, but it may not have been accurate to 1/2 LSB! The D/A output could easily be much more accurate than the input (especially since A/D functions are usually more expensive than D/A functions for the same bit resolution). This could account for the perception that EPS 16+ samples sound better on the EPS Classic than samples made on the Classic. --- Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development NeXTmail welcome From nwnexus.wa.com!sounds!brianw Sun Feb 14 16:44:15 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 192.135.191.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 16:43 PST Received: by nwnexus.wa.com id AA26843 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for reed.edu!eps); Sun, 14 Feb 1993 16:40:16 -0800 Received: by sounds. (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA03137; Sun, 14 Feb 93 16:39:35 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 16:39:35 -0800 From: Brian Willoughby Message-Id: <9302150039.AA03137@sounds.> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: TKUITTINEN@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com (Timo Kuittinen p. +358 0 5104 4624) Subject: newsgroup concerns LONG (Re: Save the mailing list, please!) Cc: eps@reed.edu Reply-To: sounds!brianw@nwnexus.wa.com Just a couple of comments on the mailing list and the idea of its possible conversion to a newsgroup: 1) I don't really care which format the messages come in, as long as folks continue to gather and discuss Ensoniq samplers. I went to a bit of trouble to install procmail so that epslist messages don't end up in my Active.mbox, but are instead appended to a special EPS mailbox. If the list were instead a newsgroup, I could easily set the group to have infinite time-out so the articles would never expire (since I have my own newsfeed). But none of this matters since everyone has different systems which may not run procmail and/or news software. 2) However, even though I wouldn't mind a switch over, I do want to point out that there might be a lot of people who would mistake alt.eps for a newsgroup devoted, not to the Ensoniq Performance Sampler, but to Encapsulated PostScript (EPS) files! The result would likely be the typical periodic explanation to lost newcomers that alt.eps has nothing to do with Adobe technology. I've run across several file servers with files ending in a .eps extension, only to find out that they had nothing to do with Ensoniq products (I'm usually afflicted by the reverse mistaken identity). A larger part of the computer community expects EPS to mean Encapsulated PostScript. 3) I wanted to respond to the following comment before things get out of hand: | From: TKUITTINEN@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com (Timo Kuittinen p. +358 0 5104 4624) | Subject: Save the mailing list, please! | | Now, if we/I just could get a list of the subscribers with their | mail addresses, so I could contact you/these people personally. | | It could be a file on the archive, no? If anyone needs to contact subscribers, it should be sufficient to send mail to eps@reed.edu - anything more would just complicate matters. As long as the list of subscriber mail addresses is maintained privately by the list server, every subscriber has the freedom to cancel their subscription. As soon as copies of the subscriber list are saved in files and copied all over the world, the individual subscriber can no longer have control over their membership to the list. Suppose I sell my EPS and never want to hear about it again? (oh, I would NEVER do that, forgive me for even suggesting it :-) I could send a message to eps-request to take my name off; but if Timo Kuittinen, or any other curious person, had my e-mail address on a private list copied from the server, I would continue to be hassled about something that I am no longer interested in. For the above reasons, I must ask that we don't freely distribute copies of the subscriber list - especially not on the eps.reed.edu ftp site. If Timo or anyone else wants to contact the authors of various EPS-related software, I would suggest the following: A) Look in the README - the author is probably glad to advertise hir name in conjunction with their product. B) Wait for the author to send mail to the list, and then send private e-mail to the return address. C) If A and B don't work, send a message to eps@reed.edu requesting that the author contact you. Sorry for the long-winded response, but this same question was just debated on another mailing list that I belong to. --- Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development NeXTmail welcome From ecn.purdue.edu!del Sun Feb 14 21:16:49 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.85 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 21:14 PST Received: by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA19574; Mon, 15 Feb 93 00:14:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 00:14:49 -0500 From: del@ecn.purdue.edu (de l`abattoir) Message-Id: <9302150514.AA19574@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: uploaded: drumkita.gkh.Z i have uploaded a completely NON bob clearmountain drumkit that i have been using for awhile and though might be useful. the two instruments in the file /pub/eps/incoming/drumkita.gkh.Z are: DRUMKIT A - just over 1000 blocks, a full octave of techno-ish snares. it also thin high hats, decent kicks, tamborine, filmstrip tone, toms. overall a good kit for dancey stuff. UPRIGHT BASS - a place to start for a good jazz bass. i just recorded a friend bowing an upright bass, and havent cleaned up the loop yet. enjoy. -david "the world is actually quite large" - pat fish From ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com!TKUITTINEN Sun Feb 14 21:23:25 1993 Return-Path: Received: from 131.228.128.211 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 14 Feb 93 21:22 PST Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 7:23:57 +0300 (EET) From: TKUITTINEN@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com (Timo Kuittinen p. +358 0 5104 4624) Message-Id: <930215072357.21c0b9d2@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com> Subject: RE: newsgroup concerns LONG (Re: Save the mailing list, please!) To: sounds!brianw@nwnexus.wa.com, eps@reed.edu X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"sounds!brianw@nwnexus.wa.com" >> 3) I wanted to respond to the following comment before things get out of >> hand: >> >>| From: TKUITTINEN@ntcclu.ntc.nokia.com (Timo Kuittinen p. +358 0 5104 4624) >>| Subject: Save the mailing list, please! >>| >> >>| Now, if we/I just could get a list of the subscribers with their >>| mail addresses, so I could contact you/these people personally. >>| >> >>| It could be a file on the archive, no? [stuff deleted...] >> Suppose I sell my EPS and never want to hear about it again? (oh, I would >> NEVER do that, forgive me for even suggesting it :-) I could send a message >> to eps-request to take my name off; but if Timo Kuittinen, or any other >> curious person, had my e-mail address on a private list copied from the >> server, I would continue to be hassled about something that I am no longer >> interested in. Ok, ok. calm down. It was just a question/suggestion in response to one other suggestion to avoid unnecessary trafic. I'm not about to hassle anybody on this list or off it. >> >> For the above reasons, I must ask that we don't freely distribute copies of >> the subscriber list - especially not on the eps.reed.edu ftp site. >> >> If Timo or anyone else wants to contact the authors of various EPS-related >> software, I would suggest the following: Yes, I do know how to read the headers, thank you. All the same, how would you prevent this potential mail hooligan from harrassing you, if he/she once got your address (from your post) and saved it. Signing off from the list wouldn't stop this person. >> C) send a message to eps@reed.edu requesting that the author contact you. Sure, but the person I was responding to was just trying to find ways to cut down on this sort of irrelevant posts. I don't think the amount of messages is a problem, anyway. I stop wasting any more bandwidth and promise not to hassle anybody. Timo ====