From sand.sics.bu.oz.au!s057 Mon Oct 5 05:26:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.244.1.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 92 05:24 PDT Received: from surf.sics.bu.oz.au by kirk.bu.oz.au using SMTP (5.65b) id AA06100; Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:24:40 +1000 Received: from SAND.SICS.BU.OZ.AU by surf.sics.bu.oz.au using SMTP (5.65b) id AA00786; Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:24:52 -0900 Return-Path: Received: by sand.sics.bu.oz.au (5.57/Ultrix-32-V3.0) id AA13349; Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:27:37 EST From: Stephen Gregory Message-Id: <9210051227.AA13349@sand.sics.bu.oz.au> Subject: Macintosh + 16+ To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:27:36 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Is there anyone out there that uses a Mac with their 16+? The reason that I am asking is because I have a potential buyer for my machine who has net access, but wants to get the benefit of up/downloading stuff like I do with my PC. Sorry if I seem a bit ignorant, but I don't own a Mac I haven't tried to see how you would do it. The guy is coming around tomorrow at 2:00p.m. my time - about 16 hours from the time of this posting, so I'd appreciate it if you could get back to me fairly soon. Thanks very much, Steve Gregory Gold Coast Australia From ualr.edu!jabussey Mon Oct 5 20:22:10 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:21 PDT Received: from sigma.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:19 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.1) id 8743; Mon, 05 Oct 1992 22:18:57 EDT Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 22:18:52 EDT From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: EPS classic Sender: jabussey@ualr.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <00961A84.99E7A9E0.8743@ualr.edu> Has anyone ever had thier keyboard controller go out on the EPS classic? If so how much did it cost? Also, how had would it be for me to install the rom upgrade myself? Im a computer science/engineering major so I know how to use a soldering(sp?) iron. Thanks, Jacque:A0118:A0108 From psy.uwa.edu.au!scott Mon Oct 5 23:46:37 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 92 23:46 PDT Received: from wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA01249; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:19:28 +1000 (from scott@psy.uwa.edu.au) Received: by psy.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08042; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:15:59 WST Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:15:59 WST From: scott@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9210060215.AA08042@psy.uwa.edu.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: New Synth? Hi Guy's It's been fairly quiet here for the last two weeks so I thought a little non-EPS but ensoniq related post may not be too bad... in rec.music.synth I noticed... >Reply-To: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com >Organization: Sun Microsystems >Lines: 6 >Has anyone heard about the new megasynth from Ensoniq, 64 note poly, two >MIDI outs full support of existing SD1/VFX sounds etc etc... >Craig So what's up? Bill? Anyone :-) Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kurango.cit.gu.edu.au!richard Tue Oct 6 00:33:03 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.234.5.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:32 PDT Received: by kurango.cit.gu.edu.au id AA01147 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:35:28 +1000 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:35:28 +1000 From: Stop That Pigeon!!! Message-Id: <199210060735.AA01147@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Belated Wish List Entries... I've been fiddling around with the Waveboy Audio In Effects disk the last few weeks. I'll produce a full review in due course, but for now I'd like to share a couple of ideas that I'd like to add to a ``realistic'' wish-list: * Voice overflow modes for the EPS/16+. I guess it's unlikely that people will have more than one EPS, but I do all my sequencing externally (sorry guys) and wouldn't mind having the option of those extra notes ending up SOMEWHERE! * An effects algorithm or o.s. patch to emulate the Mirage. Not just in loading sounds, but the whole Mirage sound. I played with my old one the other day (now owned by a friend) and nearly broke down. richard@hanging out for a new TH From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Tue Oct 6 10:00:14 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 15.254.48.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 09:59 PDT Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by hpfcla.fc.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.3/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA09465; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:57:42 -0600 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA14484; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:59:31 -0600 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9210061659.AA14484@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: EPS classic To: jabussey@ualr.edu Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:59:31 MDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <00961A84.99E7A9E0.8743@ualr.edu>; from "Hard On The Beaver" at Oct 05, 92 10:18 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] > > Has anyone ever had thier keyboard controller go out on the EPS > classic? If so how much did it cost? Also, how had would it be for > me to install the rom upgrade myself? Im a computer science/engineering > major so I know how to use a soldering(sp?) iron. > > Thanks, > > Jacque:A0118:A0108 > My EPS Classic went out on me last month, yet another time... right before yet another gig . It was another Keyboard Calibration problem. There's always a cold chill that runs up your spine when you've got an hour before your gig, and you flip on your board to see the words "Keyboard Calibration Error". Luckily when this happens the EPS will still respond to MIDI events, that's the only thing that saved me. I simply MIDI'ed the EPS to my VFX-SD and managed to make it through the weekend. Anyway, to get back to the question, the technician said he'd try reworking the solder on the soldered connector that was the fix the last time it went out. If that didn't work, he said that a new keyboard assembly would end up costing either $160 or $180... I can't quite remember, but it was under $200. So far reworking the connector appears to have worked. I really love both of my Ensoniq boards, but between my EPS and my VFX-SD I've had them in the shop *seven* times in the last two years. Four out of those seven times were due to keyboard problems. When people ask me at gigs why I have two Ensoniqs, I usually joke and say it's so that at least one of them is working. (I guess this isn't necessarily true... I did have a gig once before I got the connectors hard-wired where *both* my VFX-SD and my EPS powered up with a Keyboard Calibration error... talk about panic!) Just a quick tip, if you do get a calibration error, leave your unit powered on for about an hour. After everything heats up, the unit will *sometimes* work. If you're really desparate (as I have been in the past), try gently flexing the entire keyboard. Well, I'm not here to blast Ensoniq, like I said I really love my boards. The service shop has been great too, and I have yet to pay for anything other than an occasional charge because I had to have it done as a RUSH job. Other than that all repairs have been free so far. I've just got a quick question to throw out at all of you. Has anybody had any keyboard related problems with any of the newer Ensoniq boards? Newer, meaning the EPS-16+ or the SD-1. I'm seriously considering getting a master controller, and then from now on only getting rack mounted equipment. I'm not sure how long before Ensoniqs new sampler is out in a rack mounted version, but it might be worth the wait, especially if some problems still exists with the keyboard units. I've got a friend that recently bought a controller that had polypressure, as well as buttons that you can easily assign the patch select functions too. I'd be interested in hearing anything at all about problems with the newer Ensoniq keyboards. I know you don't hear about problems as much anymore, so it maybe Ensoniq really has solved most of them. Later! =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From aero.org!obrien Tue Oct 6 10:05:41 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.221.192.10 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:05 PDT Received: from antares.aero.org by aerospace.aero.org with SMTP (5.65c/6.0.GT) id AA27668 for eps@reed.edu; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:05:09 -0700 Posted-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 10:05:06 PDT Message-Id: <199210061705.AA27668@aerospace.aero.org> Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA13729 for jabussey@ualr.edu; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:05:07 PDT To: Hard On The Beaver Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS classic In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 92 22:18:52 CDT." <00961A84.99E7A9E0.8743@ualr.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 10:05:06 PDT From: Mike O'Brien I was a beta tester for OS 2.45 (which I think turned into 2.49 before it was released) and I installed the 2.0 ROM upgrade myself. It's really simple; the ROMs are socketed and are not buried under the keyboard. From astro.cs.umass.edu!barrett Tue Oct 6 11:38:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.119.40.123 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:37 PDT Received: by astro.cs.umass.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27826; Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:37:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:37:56 -0400 From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) Message-Id: <9210061837.AA27826@astro.cs.umass.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Question about .gkh file format I'm looking for an easy way to take a ".gkh" file and send its data via MIDI to an EPS. This is on a Commodore Amiga, but I can port source code designed for another computer. Is it as simple as just shoving the file's data unchanged out the computer's MIDI port and into the EPS? (Assuming the EPS is properly waiting for this transmission.) Or is some kind of data conversion involved? I am not a member of the "eps" mailing list, since I don't own an EPS. (It belongs to my friend.) Please respond to barrett@cs.umass.edu. Thanks! Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center | | University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From ira.uka.de!uli Tue Oct 6 12:01:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.13.10.90 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:00 PDT Message-Id: Received: from ira.uka.de by iraun1.ira.uka.de with SMTP (PP) id <12465-0@iraun1.ira.uka.de>; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:59:32 +0100 Received: from i13d5.ira.uka.de by irafs1.ira.uka.de id aa07357; 6 Oct 92 19:57 MET To: eps@reed.edu cc: uli@ira.uka.de Subject: Re: EPS classic (problems) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 92 10:59:31 MDT." <9210061659.AA14484@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 19:55:47 +0100 From: Uli Bodenhausen Hi, I have been reading the eps mailing list for a while because I was interested in purchasing an EPS or 16+; now I'm interested in the new sampler (will it be out before Kurzweil get's the sampling board shipping to their dealers???). But these stories about keyboard problems frighten me a bit, I just don't like to 'gently flex' and 'heat up' my keyboard before a session. Why can't these things just work? Uli From groucho.cs.psu.edu!mchen Tue Oct 6 12:30:07 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.203.2.10 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:29 PDT Received: from localhost by groucho.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <2679>; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:29:25 -0400 To: Uli Bodenhausen cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS classic (problems) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 92 14:55:47 EDT." Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:29:12 -0400 From: Michael Chen Message-Id: <92Oct6.152925edt.2679@groucho.cs.psu.edu> The heat problem (as far as I know) is only with the EPS Classic. It was explained on the mailing list somewhen... It is simple enough for me to over- come. I just don't turn it off. Apparently, the problem is some thermal expansion in the keyboard connector. I don't think anyone's complained about the 16+, and I don't think that will be a problem anymore. Ensoniq seems to be good about fixing really annoying stupid things. _____________________________________________________________________________ | Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | | mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | \_______________________________\___________________________________________| From groucho.cs.psu.edu!mchen Tue Oct 6 12:45:21 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.203.2.10 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:45 PDT Received: from localhost by groucho.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <2680>; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:44:47 -0400 To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Anyone got GKH utilities for an Amiga? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:44:44 -0400 From: Michael Chen Message-Id: <92Oct6.154447edt.2680@groucho.cs.psu.edu> Well? --- Mike From ERE.UMontreal.CA!dionf Tue Oct 6 14:20:23 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.204.2.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:19 PDT Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA24442 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:18:43 GMT Received: from brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (911016.SGI/5.17) id AA26443; Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:18:41 -0400 Received: by brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA11493; Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:18:41 -0400 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Dion Francois) Message-Id: <9210062118.AA11493@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: Question about .gkh file format To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:18:40 EDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9210061837.AA27826@astro.cs.umass.edu>; from "Daniel Barrett" at Oct 6, 92 2:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] >From the desk of Daniel Barrett: > > I'm looking for an easy way to take a ".gkh" file and send its > data via MIDI to an EPS. This is on a Commodore Amiga, but I can port > source code designed for another computer. It seems that the GKH format was posted here, but i have not found it yet in the archives. I have found the format of the floppy ( by Garry Giebler), but not the gkh format. I have not found anything either on the files (once you get the directories and files, how can you extract a sequence or samples?). So if anybody knows where the gkh description is... Or the file formats... (I have found epsutil, so i understand how to access a disk, but not the disk image .gkh) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ From nu1.uh.cwru.edu!ellert Tue Oct 6 15:22:13 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.22.168.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:21 PDT Received: by nu1.uh.cwru.edu (MX V2.3-1) id 16852; Tue, 06 Oct 1992 18:21:22 EDT Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 18:21:22 EDT From: ellert@nu1.uh.cwru.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-ID: <00961B2C.96D375B0.16852@nu1.uh.cwru.edu> Subject: GKH format refs Hi, I did a search on the indexes, keying on format and GKH and got the following. I haven't had the time to check whether the GKH format is detailed anywhere in these references. eps-digest02: EPS sample format eps-digest09: Formats => Confusion eps-digest09: Re: Formats => Confusion eps-digest11:Subject: epsutil - file format eps-digest11:Subject: epsutil - file format eps-digest11:Subject: Re: epsutil - file format eps-digest11:Subject: formats eps-digest11:Subject: RE: epsutil - file format eps-digest11:Subject: format for sample dump file eps-digest11:Subject: EPS-16 Disk File Format eps-digest11:Subject: more on file formats eps-digest11:Subject: FORMATS eps-digest11:Subject: Compatability of formats eps-digest11:Subject: EPS disk formats eps-digest11:Subject: ftp, formats,etc eps-digest11:Subject: Post the format! eps-digest11:Subject: Re: ftp, formats,etc (uuencode clatification) eps-digest11:Subject: Re: ftp, formats,etc (uuencode clatification) eps-digest11:Subject: File Formats and Checksumming eps-digest11:Subject: Post the format! eps-digest11:Subject: File Formats and Checksumming eps-digest11:Subject: Re: ftp, formats,etc (uuencode clatification) eps-digest11:Subject: Re: Post the format! eps-digest11:Subject: EDM file formats eps-digest12:Subject: EPS vs EPS 16+ disk format? eps-digest12:Subject: Re: Post the format! eps-digest12:Subject: AIFF format eps-digest12:Subject: FTP formats & more eps-digest12:Subject: Re: FTP formats & more eps-digest14:Subject: EDM format published? eps-digest14:> Subject: EDM file formats eps-digest14:Subject: Compression Format.... eps-digest15:Subject: Re: Compression Format.... eps-digest15:Subject: Re: Compression Format.... eps-digest15:Subject: Possible solution to the Compression Format question eps-digest15:Subject: Re: Compression Format.... eps-digest15:Subject: Re: Compression Format.... eps-digest15:Subject: RE: Compression Format.... eps-digest15:Subject: Compression format eps-digest15:Subject: EDE & EFE Format eps-digest16:Subject: CC Demo and Sequence formats eps-digest20: Formatting using GKH's EPSWRITE eps-digest20: Formatting... eps-digest21: formatting with epswrite eps-digest21: Re: formatting with epswrite eps-digest21: Re: formatting with epswrite eps-digest21: Re: formatting with epswrite eps-digest21: re:formatting with epswrite / 16blank.gkh review eps-digest21: re:formatting with epswrite / 16blank.gkh review eps-digest25: .EDE format eps-digest25: Re: .EDE format eps-digest26: EPSread/write format eps-digest26: Re: .gkh format (was EPSread/write ), eps-digest29: Sample Disk Format ( S1000 S900 etc ) eps-digest11:Subject: Vote for .GKH eps-digest11:Subject: Another vote for .GKH eps-digest11:Subject: 1 more for .gkh eps-digest11:Subject: Re: 1 more for .gkh eps-digest12:Subject: ghk vs. gkh eps-digest20: Formatting using GKH's EPSWRITE eps-digest20: 16blank.gkh eps-digest21: re:formatting with epswrite / 16blank.gkh review eps-digest21: re:formatting with epswrite / 16blank.gkh review eps-digest26: GKH file won't compress? eps-digest26: Re: .gkh format (was EPSread/write ), -ee- From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Tue Oct 6 16:31:40 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:30 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <26644-0@pat.uio.no>; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:30:46 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:30:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:30:41 +0100 Message-Id: <9210062330.AAfidibus05624@fidibus.uio.no> Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad Subject: One Reference to .gkh format from the librarian :) Info on .gkh disk format (necessary for code reading images in that format) Letter from Goh King Wha, , 24 Mar 92 In the EPS mail-archive at reed.edu The mail archives are located ar reed.edu in the directory /pub/mailing-lists/eps The date tells which archive it is in The archives are available in the format "eps-digestNN.Z" where NN = (01,02,03...NN). The latest mail is kept in 'latest'. I shouldn't take anything for granted, but many of the questions in this thread was not concerned about the .gkh format as such. They where concerned about how to get the samples that is located at the ftp site. One does not have to know anything about the .gkh format for that purpose, and also the information is not going to help all that much. Scott Fisher posted a draft for a wellcome document for newcomers to this list the 22 sept. That tells how to get the samples. tgf From moon.nbn.com!cyberden!xorcist Tue Oct 6 17:09:49 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.132.30.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:09 PDT Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-920918-2) id AA14849; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:10:40 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921002-1) id AA01812; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:08:56 -0700 Received: from cyberden.UUCP by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/MOON-34) id AA05315; Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:07:58 PDT Received: by cyberden.uucp (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 06 Oct 92 16:58:47 PDT for reed.edu!eps To: eps@reed.edu Subject: >Whew< From: moon!cyberden!xorcist Comments: The Devil Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 16:56:20 PDT Organization: Indescribable Creations Well, (knocking on wood), my EPS classic w/4X SCSI and 8 out has NEVER had a problem. I guess it's just one of those things. I have 2 friends who also have EPS classics and one has some wierd, internal 4X (not one of those screw in types that hang out like 'normal' expanders, while the other is a standard EPS 2X. The one with the 4X crashes for no reason once in a while (usually Errxxxxxxxx4??? type deal where as it's a memory thang), and the other has constant keyboard calibration failed problems... you just have to get lucky I guess... not a great thing to say to someone looking to get one, but if the price is right and you can use it for a day straight before you commit, I'd say go for it. orcist __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us ] From moon.nbn.com!cyberden!xorcist Tue Oct 6 17:09:49 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.132.30.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:09 PDT Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-920918-2) id AA14853; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:10:41 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921002-1) id AA01825; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:08:58 -0700 Received: from cyberden.UUCP by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/MOON-34) id AA05323; Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:08:04 PDT Received: by cyberden.uucp (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:00:12 PDT for reed.edu!eps To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Mail ftp? From: moon!cyberden!xorcist Comments: The Devil Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 16:59:34 PDT Organization: Indescribable Creations Is there a mail ftp for reed? IE, archive-server@reed.edu or file-request@reed.edu. I don't have access to FTP (Internet) as this is a waffle system. (MS-DOS) orcist __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us ] From mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!bsanders Tue Oct 6 17:43:37 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.174.5.58 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:43 PDT Received: from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu by garcon.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28024 (5.67a8+/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:42:57 -0500 Received: by mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA01726; Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:42:00 CDT Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:42:00 CDT From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) Message-Id: <9210070042.AA01726@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Unwelcome EPS Noizes Peoples, My apologies if this has subject has been beaten into the ground before, but does anyone A) have or B) know how to fix the following problems? From mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!bsanders Tue Oct 6 18:23:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.174.5.58 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:23 PDT Received: from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu by garcon.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29378 (5.67a8+/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:23:11 -0500 Received: by mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA02111; Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:22:14 CDT Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:22:14 CDT From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) Message-Id: <9210070122.AA02111@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Mystery Problems Revealed! (Ahem! :-) Sorry about the mail hiccup. As I was saying, does anyone know how to fix the following problems: (ref: EPS 'Classic', 2x mem, OS 2.49, kbd 150, rom v.??) 1) My heat sink makes a nice room heater in the winter time. This, however, is not healthy for computer devices (I imagine). Also, as my EPS heats up to the white-hot stage, there is *noticeably* more noise present in the outputs. 2) Most samples I have made on my EPS sound very clean, but quite often I get some noticeable beeps and noises both during the sample's sustain and upon releasing the key. I called Ensoniq, and they suggested changing my TIMES envelope settings to something other than "0". I did this, but to no avail. It may help to know that I have also tried re-sampling the source material (from DAT source) at different sample rates, all the way up to 48.6kHz; but still the beeping persists. If I let the sample play to the end, without releasing the key, there is no beep, but there is some noise sometimes. It is difficult to be specific, because the problem is intermittent (out of 20 key presses, with roughly similar velocity and duration, the problematic noises may occur 2 to 10 times) Also, these noises are most promininent on TR-808 kick drum samples and very low analog bass samples (read: heavy bass fundamentals w/o much mids or highs). What can be done about this? Thanks in advance, Barry Sanders bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu From nwnexus.wa.com!sounds!brianw Tue Oct 6 21:40:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.135.191.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:39 PDT Received: from sounds.UUCP by nwnexus.wa.com with UUCP id AA01196 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for reed.edu!eps); Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:43:23 -0700 Received: by sounds. (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA05453; Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:33:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:33:07 -0700 From: Brian Willoughby Message-Id: <9210070333.AA05453@sounds.> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS classic (problems) Uli (and others), I can't really make any guarantees, since I only have the quality of my keyboard to base my opinions upon, but I think that Ensoniq fixed nearly all of the well-publicized EPS problems long before the EPS 16+ was released. The date on my EPS Classic unit is 08/21/89. It has a quiet keyboard (none of the notoriously noisy "clacking" sounds when playing), sufficiently strong output levels (improved from the wimpy levels that the original had), and most importantly; no keyboard calibration errors. I waited a long time before purchasing my EPS, but I bought it new - long before the 16+ was even announced. I would assume that other units made on or after this date would be of equal quality. I have heard that upgrades were available for the older EPS's which fixed each of the above items, but most were $100 or $200 upgrades (not free) unless you had evidence of a real problem (in which case many dealers would cut you a break). My unit still gets a bit too hot, though. I guess you can't win 'em all. P.S. I _can_ guarantee that Ensoniq changed the circuitry before manufacturing the unit that I purchased. That's because I popped the hood on the loaner EPS which I had for three days during the wonderful EPS Road Test promotion (circa April 1989). Being the Electrical Engineering geek that I am, I made a complete list of IC numbers and locations along with chip manufacturing dates. I really wanted to know exactly what I was getting for my money. When I finally coughed up the $2000 for my EPS system, I took a second look inside and found that the RAM organization was completely different and that many chips were different. It must have been a significant cost for Ensoniq to completely retool their assembly line, but in the interest of quality, I'm glad that they did! --- Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Signal Processing Software and Consulting NeXTmail welcome - NO EMAIL SOLICITATION without prior permission Begin forwarded message: Hi, I have been reading the eps mailing list for a while because I was interested in purchasing an EPS or 16+; now I'm interested in the new sampler (will it be out before Kurzweil get's the sampling board shipping to their dealers???). But these stories about keyboard problems frighten me a bit, I just don't like to 'gently flex' and 'heat up' my keyboard before a session. Why can't these things just work? Uli From ads.com!pdel Tue Oct 6 22:50:41 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:50 PDT Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA09355; Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:52:13 -0700 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA13747; Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:52:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9210070552.AA13747@bert.ads.com> Subject: Re: EPS classic (problems) (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:52:10 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Forwarded message: >From sounds!brianw@nwnexus.wa.com Tue Oct 6 21:41:58 1992 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:33:07 -0700 From: Brian Willoughby Message-Id: <9210070333.AA05453@sounds.> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS classic (problems) Well, as one of the last purchasers of an EPS classis (rackmount) I would have to say that almost all the 'problems' are not evident in my unit. My output is about equal with my 16+ (except when the boost is on). I think I posted once before how when I called Ensoniq about my Instrument Select buttons caving in (rackmount owners may know about this) they told me to send it to a repair center. I got it back with a new front panel. I've never had problems with either unit before,during,or after gigs or recordings. So I would say yes, Ensoniq will eventually fix the problems, but perhaps by then the new model is out. PD From psy.uwa.edu.au!scott Tue Oct 6 23:53:40 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:53 PDT Received: from wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA28296; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:53:03 +1000 (from scott@psy.uwa.edu.au) Received: by psy.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11670; Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:51:28 WST Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:51:28 WST From: scott@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9210070651.AA11670@psy.uwa.edu.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Ensoniq Reliability Hi Kelly, I notice you write... >My EPS Classic went out on me last month, yet another time... right [stuff deleted...] >Well, I'm not here to blast Ensoniq, like I said I really love my >boards. The service shop has been great too, and I have yet to pay for >anything other than an occasional charge because I had to have it done >as a RUSH job. Other than that all repairs have been free so far. I've >just got a quick question to throw out at all of you. Has anybody had >any keyboard related problems with any of the newer Ensoniq boards? >Newer, meaning the EPS-16+ or the SD-1. I'm seriously considering >getting a master controller, and then from now on only getting rack > >Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ >kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Well I have had a Mirage (1987)...that's apparently still going strong, an EPS "Classic" that has had the connector problem twice (first time it was not fixed properly) and an audio problem (audio out section). My EPS 16 Plus (Made December 1990) did the keyboard connector thing about 6 months after I got it. Then the FX chip decided to blow up :-) Lot's of digital hash. Hence in the 18 months I have had it has been in the shop for about a total of 10 weeks :-( But that's a problem with the service situation in Australia not realy the problem with the board. Both were 1 hour jobs to fix. Now apart from my EPS16 I have been closely following the health of another 4 EPS16 Plus's and 1 EPS 16 Plus-M. All 4 or the EPS 16 Plus have fallen over in some way or another, mainly keyboard connectors and FX chip problems and the odd dry solder joint. The 16 Plus-M is still going strong. If an EPS 16 Plus is made after Jan-April? 1991 it should have the keyboard hardwired at the factory. I too am addicted to Ensoniq gear, unfortunately over the last 6 years I have had personal contact with about 10 Ensoniq samplers and 5-8 synths that have fallen over :-( As I live in the studio (my own where time is free and as is just a hobby :-) the reliability issue is not a problem for me...just frustrating :-) On a more positive note, all the Ensoniq EPS16's I know of that were made in the last 12 months appear to be fine. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kurango.cit.gu.edu.au!richard Wed Oct 7 00:29:30 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.234.5.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:29 PDT Received: by kurango.cit.gu.edu.au id AA18809 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:32:06 +1000 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:32:06 +1000 From: Stop That Pigeon!!! Message-Id: <199210070732.AA18809@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au> To: scott@psy.uwa.edu.au, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability In-Reply-To: Mail from 'scott@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott Fisher)' dated: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:51:28 WST > Now apart from my EPS16 I have been closely following the health of > another 4 EPS16 Plus's and 1 EPS 16 Plus-M. All 4 or the EPS 16 Plus > have fallen over in some way or another, mainly keyboard connectors and > FX chip problems and the odd dry solder joint. The 16 Plus-M is still > going strong. If an EPS 16 Plus is made after Jan-April? 1991 it should > have the keyboard hardwired at the factory. Well, the only time my EPS16+ (purchased about 12 months ago) has been back to the shop is to have the SCSI upgrade installed! And my Mirage (purchased in early 87) never went there. It's still working as far as I know. richard From psy.uwa.edu.au!scott Wed Oct 7 01:03:43 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:03 PDT Received: from wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA28228; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:50:26 +1000 (from scott@psy.uwa.edu.au) Received: by psy.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11645; Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:48:53 WST Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:48:53 WST From: scott@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9210070648.AA11645@psy.uwa.edu.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Ensoniq Reliability >From drew@cs.anu.edu.au Fri Oct 2 10:12:59 1992 >What role do JWs see for angels in general? At present the bible suggests their primary work is in the "ingathering work" seeking those who are "sighing and groaning" over this present system of things. I am sure they have other duties but the scriptures are not too clear on that point...or rather I am not too clear on what they are up to :-) >Do you consider that humans will ever be elevated above angels? As far as I can understand Jesus made a covenant with certain ones (his 12 deciples being the primary example) to "rule as kings". If our understanding is correct, this will be during the 1000 year reign after Harmaggedon (sp?) However, note that after the 1000 year reign that "new scrolls will be opened" it would seem that Jesus hands things back to Jehovah. >the 144,000 who become spirit beings - will they be elevated above angels? The present understanding is (as you know) that the 144,000 is literal and that these are chosen from among the peoples of the earth (humans) to rule with Jesus during that 1000 year reign. I suppose you could consider this to be "elevated above the angels"....but it is with respect to the rulership of earth. I am not sure that these "ruling kings" will be rulling over the angels also. I have not thought about that aspect of things before...interesting question, I'll have to get back to you on it, Hmmmm. As I mention above, If there are humans elevated above angels (still have to think about what this means) it will not be permanent. I have a feeling that after the 1000 year reign things will be much more equal (but that is my speculation). >I know of course that JW's believe (as I do) that Jesus was the first of >God's creations. What is his relationship to angels? Jehovah has appointed Jesus as King over all creation. From the scriptures it appears he will hold this position for at least another 1000 years and after thast he hands back to Jehovah. >Are they his (junior) brothers? Possibly...I will have to think about this one a little more. I think the relationship is one of "headship" rather than being "better". Jehovah appointed Man as head of his wife, Jesus as head of man and Jehovah is head of all. We know man is not "better" than his wife or a woman, they just have different roles. As such the responsibility for certain things lies with woman, man and Jesus. As I have said, I'll have to think about what I see what it means to be "appointed over". >The reason for these questions is that I was speaking with a friend and >he is certain that from various passages (mainly Hebrews 2, I Cor 6:1-4) >that humans will eventually rule over the (righteous) angels. My own view >is that those in the resurrection will be equal to the angels (Luke 20:36), >and that angels are our fellow servants (passages in Rev 21-22), and >indeed our brothers (Rev 12:10). This would seem sensible. I think you have to take perspectives when you are thinking about these issues. Jehovah has appointed Jesus head of certain things. Likewise the 144,000 are appointed over certain things. So when you talk about humans appointed "above" angels it (if it happens) will be only in certain aspects. I don't think it will be over the angels themselves. Remember from my perspective only 144,000 humans are to be in the heavenly kindom, thus there will be millions/billions? of humans who are subject (at least for 1000 years) to at least Jesus, the 144000 and Jehovah. >Lastly, I noticed one JW at some time describe Jesus before his incarnation >as the "prehuman Angel Jesus". Is that current terminology among JWs and what >passages would you use to support it? Hmmmm...I'll have to gat back to you on that one :-) >Thanks, >Drew. No problem, Regards Scott. PS You might remember my car had a problem with the oil prssure light - turned out to be the wiring. Oh, good :-) Talking about dodgey cars... I recently got a 11 year old Jaguar XJ6....here's my new .sig :-) Joy is a Jaguar XJ-6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning. From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Wed Oct 7 01:25:01 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:24 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <04037-0@pat.uio.no>; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:24:40 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:24:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:24:35 +0100 Message-Id: <9210070824.AAfidibus06909@fidibus.uio.no> Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability I wait another chance to tell my tear-dripping love/hate story with EPS. Now I just want to make a comment, I'm sure many have thought the same thought. These kind of fora like user-groups and this mailing-list where Ensoniq owners can get together and cry out their dispair with their equipment must be enormously good PR for Ensoniq. Because: All the weening is 'kept out of the street'. We don't scare away potential new costumers. ( There may be an occasional spy like Uli sitting in though :) We can do all the weening within the list. Here we are understood. We turn out more satisfied customers, recommending Ensoniq equipment to others for it's good sides of which there are plenty. I rationalize this psycological effect by introspection. I think I felt I had been cheeted - putting out lot of money and only having trouble. Through this mailing list I have understood I am not alone. My experience with EPS is normal. If I have been cheeted then a lot other also have, then I don't feel stupid. ( I can dream can't I -like one other on the list use to say ) So it makes me feel good about myself and my equipment, and I do recommend it to others. --------- In the start of this discussion was mentioned the K2000, its sampling option and the new Ensoniq sampler. It's not much statistics, but I only know about three K2000 locally, and all have blown up. ( May be they have learned how to introduce a sucess from the history of the EPS ) tgf From ads.com!pdel Wed Oct 7 01:59:06 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:58 PDT Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA09624; Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:00:36 -0700 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA11919; Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:00:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9210070900.AA11919@deimos.ads.com> Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 2:00:35 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Forwarded message: > From t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no Wed Oct 7 01:26:59 1992 > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:24:35 +0100 > Message-Id: <9210070824.AAfidibus06909@fidibus.uio.no> > Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no > To: eps@reed.edu > From: Terje Finstad > Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability > I wait another chance to tell my tear-dripping love/hate story with EPS. Tell it now! I'm in a 'read about others lives' mood right now.... > owners can get together and cry out their dispair with their equipment must > be enormously good PR for Ensoniq. > Because: I don't know about Ensoniq, but I like to cry to others not necessarily to have anything done about it sometimes. >weening Do you mean whining? Ah yes, whining. I do it a lot. > list I have understood I am not alone. My experience with EPS is normal. > If I have been cheeted then a lot other also have, then I don't feel > stupid. ( I can dream can't I -like one other on the list use to say ) So I think that perhaps electronic instruments, compared with their acoustic counterparts, have a greater tendency to cause frustration. We expect the synth to be as reliable as a real piano, which can never be. How many times have you live performers just before a performance wondered whether the acoustic piano, etc. was going to 'work' ? On the other hand, if it was a synth you were using, the only thing on your mind was whether the thing was going to emit any kind of sound when you started pounding on it. Yes, the electronic stuff is just a whole 'nuther animal. So far, it ain't made my musical ability better at all (that's going out on a limb !). But it sure is fun when it works! ( had to end on a positive note ). pd From nu1.uh.cwru.edu!ellert Wed Oct 7 05:41:37 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.22.168.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 05:39 PDT Received: by nu1.uh.cwru.edu (MX V2.3-1) id 16894; Wed, 07 Oct 1992 08:39:22 EDT Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 08:39:22 EDT From: ellert@nu1.uh.cwru.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-ID: <00961BA4.7367AFF6.16894@nu1.uh.cwru.edu> Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability Hi, Following the thread of electronic vs. acoustic reliability: I have never had problems with heat sinks on any of my guitars, can't even find the heat sinks :); for that matter, haven't had problems with noise, although my wife disagrees on that point. My main complaint with the guitar is that I can't get the sequencer to function consistently...and the effects are flaky, tending to change with the humidity levels. My EPS-16+ has had no problems, knock on wood (or a guitar), though I can't say as how I've put it through its paces. See, I've had it only a few months and between full-time work and classes for a Master's degree, the 'electronic marvel' has been slightly neglected. Nevertheless, should I ever have problems with the EPS-16+, it is reassuring to know that there is a support group for PTED (Post-Traumatic EPS Disorder). Help is only an internet address away. -- Ed Ellert Member of the Free Association A SELF Organization From ira.uka.de!uli Wed Oct 7 06:37:49 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.13.10.90 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 06:37 PDT Message-Id: Received: from ira.uka.de by iraun1.ira.uka.de with SMTP (PP) id <01342-0@iraun1.ira.uka.de>; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:05:54 +0100 Received: from i13d5.ira.uka.de by irafs1.ira.uka.de id aa09080; 7 Oct 92 14:03 MET To: eps@reed.edu cc: Terje Finstad Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability/ the spy says "thanks" In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 92 09:24:35 +0100." <9210070824.AAfidibus06909@fidibus.uio.no> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 14:01:32 +0100 From: Uli Bodenhausen Hi, thanks for the many replies that I got so far! I think that issues like reliability should be discussed openly. It should make no difference whether I already own an EPS or whether I could be scared away from buying one because of insider information. If this is of interest, there have been complaints about the reliabilty of the K2000 on rec.synth already, so I'm also not convinced that the K2000 is the better way to go. At the moment, I'll -continue to read the eps mailing list -wait for the ASR10 -continue to use my trusty rusty DSS1 If I go for a ASR 10, then I'll buy it at a local trusty dealer! Uli From ualr.edu!jabussey Wed Oct 7 07:11:07 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:10 PDT Received: from delta.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:08 CDT Received: by UALR.EDU (MX V3.1) id 31670; Wed, 07 Oct 1992 09:07:30 EDT Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 09:07:26 EDT From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: opening the EPS Sender: jabussey@ualr.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <00961BA8.5EC4A640.31670@UALR.EDU> Ok, for all those that have opened thier EPS classic, what do you use to open it? It seems like you would use allen wrenches. If so what size. Please let me know ASAP as I FINALLY have a chance at a record deal with polygram (found out yesterday) and MY Frigging EPS is out of order *sigh*. Thanks, Jacque Bussey From nu1.uh.cwru.edu!ellert Wed Oct 7 07:41:18 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.22.168.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:41 PDT Received: by nu1.uh.cwru.edu (MX V2.3-1) id 16918; Wed, 07 Oct 1992 10:41:04 EDT Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 10:41:04 EDT From: ellert@nu1.uh.cwru.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-ID: <00961BB5.73795376.16918@nu1.uh.cwru.edu> Subject: RE: opening the EPS Hi, I don't know what you need to open the EPS classic, but on my EPS16+ it requires a #5 Torx wrench...I'm pretty sure its a #5. You should be able to find one at the hardware store. -- Ed Ellert From hpgrrd.gr.hp.com!daver Wed Oct 7 08:51:44 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 15.255.152.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:51 PDT Received: from hpgrrd.gr.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (16.8/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA29506; Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:51:25 -0700 Received: by hpgrrd.gr.hp.com (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA06803; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:47:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:47:02 -0600 From: Dave Ruska Message-Id: <9210071547.AA06803@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re2: EPS classic Cc: daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com, kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com > From: Kelly Larson > Subject: Re: EPS classic > My EPS Classic went out on me last month, yet another time... right > before yet another gig . It was another Keyboard Calibration > problem..... Kelly, Try to stop throwing your keyboards into the guitar amp stack at the end of your gigs ... you'll get more mileage out of them ... Regards, Dave Ruska (email: daver@hpgrla.gr.hp.com) From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Wed Oct 7 09:32:55 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 15.254.48.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:32 PDT Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by hpfcla.fc.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.3/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA09029; Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:30:56 -0600 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA16461; Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:32:39 -0600 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9210071632.AA16461@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: Re2: EPS classic To: daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:32:39 MDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9210071547.AA06803@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com>; from "Dave Ruska" at Oct 7, 92 9:47 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] > > > From: Kelly Larson > > Subject: Re: EPS classic > > > My EPS Classic went out on me last month, yet another time... right > > before yet another gig . It was another Keyboard Calibration > > problem..... > > Kelly, > Try to stop throwing your keyboards into the guitar amp stack at > the end of your gigs ... you'll get more mileage out of them ... > > Regards, > Dave Ruska (email: daver@hpgrla.gr.hp.com) > Guitar amp stack? I'd never treat my keyboards like that! I threw them in a pile with the drum hardware... :^) =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From puente.Jpl.Nasa.Gov!garyf Wed Oct 7 09:37:33 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.149.1.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:37 PDT Received: from puente.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXR) id AA06885; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:37:02 PDT Received: by puente.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA05902; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:28:20 PDT From: garyf@puente.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gary Friedman) Message-Id: <9210071628.AA05902@puente.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability/ the spy says "thanks" To: uli@ira.uka.de (Uli Bodenhausen) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 9:28:20 PDT Cc: eps@reed.edu, t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no In-Reply-To: ; from "Uli Bodenhausen" at Oct 7, 92 2:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > Hi, > thanks for the many replies that I got so far! I think that > issues like reliability should be discussed openly. I had an EPS classic failure which I haven't seen on the mailing list yet. While playing at an outdoor concert, my floppy drive refused to read due to the exposure to direct sunlight. (I also couldn't read the display for the same reason, but that was an expected failure mode.) Shading only the floppy portion of the keyboard restored proper operation about ten minutes later. Good thing I had an old-fashioned piano right next to me for backup! -Gary Friedman ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Friedman Jet Propulsion Laboratory - NASA 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA. 91109 (818) 306-6193 garyf@puente.JPL.NASA.GOV || {cit-vax,elroy,psivax}!devvax!garyf From grassman.gvg.tek.com!simpsonn Wed Oct 7 09:43:40 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.181.48.11 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:43 PDT Received: by relay.tek.com id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:35:03 -0700 Received: from gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com by tektronix.TEK.COM (4.1/8.0) id AA27748; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:40:01 PDT Received: by gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com (5.57/9204230) id AA08305; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:34:18 PDT Received: by grassman.gvg.tek.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04891; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:34:14 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:34:14 PDT From: simpsonn@grassman.gvg.tek.com (Nanette Simpson) Message-Id: <9210071634.AA04891@grassman.gvg.tek.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability > I think that perhaps electronic instruments, compared with their > acoustic counterparts, have a greater tendency to cause frustration. > We expect the synth to be as reliable as a real piano, which can > never be. How many times have you live performers just before a > performance wondered whether the acoustic piano, etc. was going to > 'work' ? On the other hand, if it was a synth you were using, the > only thing on your mind was whether the thing was going to emit any > kind of sound when you started pounding on it. !!!!!!!!!! Yes Indeed! As a matter of fact...That happened just Saturday night. Yep, there I was...making a last minute test with the headphones, just 5 minutes before the show everything OK..Lights up...my cue...16+ display normal...but NOTHING COMING OUT!! damn! It was locked up! I had to reboot and reload and setup...got it all together again exactly one second before the next number. ( I got LUCKY that the first number was rather silly and campy and the accapella actually worked. (-:) So Ok...a few numbers later..another power glitch, but this time it totally rebooted itself...there I was with exactly one minute before Lights Up...major malox moment again...with quick action and shakey hands I managed but I WAS ready to jump for the piano sitting over in the corner of the theater. Yes, good 'ol dependable piano. Well again I got it up one second before I needed it. ...I was afraid to look in the mirror over fear of staring at a white head...but anyhoot the audience never knew! (-: I thought it was the wiring or somthing in the old building, but actually it turned out to be that my main power cord was falling out of the wall. I purchased a UPS anyway, and it works really great. So that problem is a goner...Gee, how pleasant to only have to worry about my playing. I've never had any problems with my unit so far. So for now, I've leaving the Steinway in the corner and sticking to my awesome Ensoniq. Nanette From ee.WPI.EDU!wrm Wed Oct 7 09:58:53 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.215.24.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:58 PDT Received: from ee.WPI.EDU by bigboote.WPI.EDU (5.65/CCC-3.0) id AA05479; Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:58:24 EST Received: by ee.WPI.EDU (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA09764; Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:58:23 -0400 Received: by friskie.WPI.EDU (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12603; Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:58:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9210071658.AA12603@friskie.WPI.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:58:15 -0400 From: wrm@ee.WPI.EDU X-Mts: smtp > never be. How many times have you live performers just before a > performance wondered whether the acoustic piano, etc. was going to > 'work' ? Does "work" include "be in tune"? From ads.com!pdel Wed Oct 7 10:20:59 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:20 PDT Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA10987; Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:22:22 -0700 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA14316; Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:22:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9210071722.AA14316@bert.ads.com> Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:22:20 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Forwarded message: > From wrm@ee.WPI.EDU Wed Oct 7 10:00:40 1992 > Message-Id: <9210071658.AA12603@friskie.WPI.EDU> > To: eps@reed.edu > Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability > Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:58:15 -0400 > From: wrm@ee.WPI.EDU > X-Mts: smtp > > > > never be. How many times have you live performers just before a > > performance wondered whether the acoustic piano, etc. was going to > > 'work' ? > > Does "work" include "be in tune"? > No. That would be similar to tweaking some paramater on a synth. That's something that acoustic/electronic instrumentalists are forever doing. I mean 'work' as in make the expected sound when struck/plucked/bowed etc. A few cents either way I would still equate with 'working'. pd From groucho.cs.psu.edu!mchen Wed Oct 7 10:28:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.203.2.10 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:28 PDT Received: from localhost by groucho.cs.psu.edu with SMTP id <2681>; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:27:37 -0400 To: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Dion Francois) cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Question about .gkh file format In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:18:40 EDT." <9210062118.AA11493@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:27:26 -0400 From: Michael Chen Message-Id: <92Oct7.132737edt.2681@groucho.cs.psu.edu> I'm sure the GKH format is in the digest... that's where I dug it out the first time. If you still have problems finding it, I'll post something. --- Mike From AB.WVNET.EDU!WILLIAMS Wed Oct 7 11:05:43 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.71.2.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:05 PDT Received: from DECNET-MAIL (WILLIAMS@AB) by WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU (PMDF #2372 ) id <01GPNRLLK0KG9D4JXQ@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:14:27 EDT Date: 07 Oct 1992 08:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Williams Subject: Electronic (versus Mechanical) Reliability To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <01GPNRLLK0KI9D4JXQ@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> X-VMS-To: NET::"eps@reed.edu" X-VMS-Cc: ME MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > From: pdel@ads.com > Subj: RE: Ensoniq Reliability (fwd) > > I think that perhaps electronic instruments, compared with their > acoustic counterparts, have a greater tendency to cause frustration. > We expect the synth to be as reliable as a real piano, which can > never be. How many times have you live performers just before a > performance wondered whether the acoustic piano, etc. was going to > 'work' ? Every time, for the past 17 years. Did you ever perform on someone else's piano? I used to do that quite a bit. o They're almost never in tune; I once played an opening chord, didn't believe my ears, pressed the Middle C key, heard three notes, apologized, and walked off the stage. o Sometimes keys stay down after you press them, requiring you to pull them up before the next time they're needed; o Sometimes the damper pedal is messed up; o Usually the tone is terrible. > Yes, the electronic stuff is just a whole 'nuther animal. [...] > But it sure is fun when it works! Agreed. BTW, my post-clack EPS 13-Minus had two major problems: a wonky pitch bend wheel (fixed twice, and still Not Quite Right) and the Dreaded Flex Keyboard Problem, which was fixed for free long after the warrantee had expired. As I don't perform much currently, it has never been a major problem. -Tom Williams From mailhost.cs.pdx.edu!tauren Wed Oct 7 11:11:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.252.20.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:11 PDT Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu (cs.pdx.edu) by pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-gateway-evision: 1.27 id AA08827; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:11:05 PDT Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-client-evision: 1.21 id AA14405; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:11:07 PDT Message-Id: <9210071811.AA14405@rigel.cs.pdx.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: All the ASR specs are in the new HACKER Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 11:11:06 PDT From: tauren@mailhost.cs.pdx.edu Well, I just received the latest issue of Transoniq Hacker. Page 6 and 7 are just full of all the ASR specs. I left my issue at home so I can't say much more, but it did say that the new sampler should show up in stores at the end of September. Tauren From ads.com!pdel Wed Oct 7 11:27:15 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:27 PDT Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA11320; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:28:44 -0700 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA14421; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:28:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9210071828.AA14421@bert.ads.com> Subject: Electronic (versus Mechanical) Reliability (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:28:43 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Forwarded message: > From WILLIAMS@AB.WVNET.EDU Wed Oct 7 11:07:32 1992 > Date: 07 Oct 1992 08:14:27 -0400 (EDT) > From: Tom Williams > Subject: Electronic (versus Mechanical) Reliability > To: eps@reed.edu > Message-Id: <01GPNRLLK0KI9D4JXQ@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> > X-Vms-To: NET::"eps@reed.edu" > X-Vms-Cc: ME > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > o They're almost never in tune; I once played an opening > chord, didn't believe my ears, pressed the Middle C key, > heard three notes, apologized, and walked off the stage. > > o Sometimes keys stay down after you press them, > requiring you to pull them up before the next time > they're needed; > > o Sometimes the damper pedal is messed up; > > o Usually the tone is terrible. > I agree with you there. ( I knew I would get replies on this; I didn't get my idea out right with my first post; I'll try to elaborate until I've dug myself to deep to get out :) ). The thing I'm trying to get at is that gut-wrenching fear that grips you when you wonder if your synth is, at any moment, going to freak out on you, even after you've set it up PERFECTLY. If you had the time to check out a piano and found keys bad, damper pedal, etc., you would get it fixed, right? A mechanical repair later, you're ready to go. But with the blessed synth, you may get everything fixed, and be about 40% sure that the thing will survive the night. With the piano, even if something was stuck, you could get SOME sound out of it; if the synth dies, you get NO sound. Synths, to paraphrase Craig Anderton, "provide the flexibility and power needed for things to go wrong in stunningly creative and original ways". (TH, August 1990). pd From ee.WPI.EDU!wrm Wed Oct 7 11:44:05 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.215.24.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:43 PDT Received: from ee.WPI.EDU by bigboote.WPI.EDU (5.65/CCC-3.0) id AA14033; Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:43:27 EST Received: by ee.WPI.EDU (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA11336; Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:43:25 -0400 Received: by friskie.WPI.EDU (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12684; Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:43:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9210071843.AA12684@friskie.WPI.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Electronic (versus Mechanical) Reliability (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 92 11:28:43 PDT." <9210071828.AA14421@bert.ads.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 14:43:17 -0400 From: wrm@ee.WPI.EDU X-Mts: smtp > synth dies, you get NO sound. Synths, to paraphrase Craig Anderton, > "provide the flexibility and power needed for things to go wrong in > stunningly creative and original ways". (TH, August 1990). Ahhhhhhhh. You mean like with Amplifiers, mixers, patchcords, effects pedals, rack mount processors, microphones, and lights. Right????? So far in 25 years the only failure mode of my acoustic 6-string is the familiar "spweeengggg" of an overly bent string. As to other stuff well......... Bill From fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Wed Oct 7 11:51:46 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:51 PDT Received: from comm.mot.com ([145.1.3.2]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03926; Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:51:48 CDT Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com (node_27d3b.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04727; Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:56:12 CDT Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA12175; Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:32:17 EDT Message-Id: <9210071832.AA12175@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com (David Schick) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:32:12 EDT Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability To: eps@reed.edu Greetings, fellow StarGazers! As long as every1 else is sharing their Ensoniq woes, I'll just mention the one I've seen with my 16+, which I purchased this March. I (carefully) moved the box in2 my kitchen 2record some new sounds 4an industrial percussion set I was working on. Everything was fine, till I powered the box up on my rack in its usual location. A certain segment of every character on the display (and some of the enunciators) don't light up until the box has been on 4about 5-10 minutes. I haven't bothered taking it in2 the shop yet, as I'm lazy and it's still under warranty (I think 8-o). No keyboard problems or anything significant, although the 144 error and one other have hit me from time2time. Once, I was editing the LFO amount on the EDIT PITCH page, and all of a sudden, the value skewed down to -15.7 without moving the slider, and the unit hung! It still received MIDI input and played all notes, controller info accurately, but would receive no further input from the keyboard until I cycled power. I also have a DP/4, and my friend has a SQR (24 note poly), and we haven't seen any problems with either of these units either. Just another viewpoint. Any advice 4a band name? We're stuck. About ready with a tape, and no name. How about ---- Mrs. Mushroom Head and the Enemies of the Free World? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Zoltan Android (your source for Nasal Weirdness in South Florida) schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com if you bury your head in the sand for 30 minutes, you will (probably) suffer death. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From rsinc.com!keith Wed Oct 7 12:04:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.5.156.17 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:03 PDT Received: by gateway.rsinc.com (rsinc-gateway.920524) Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:03:58 MDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:03:58 MDT From: Keith R. Crosley Message-Id: <9210071903.AA01192@gateway.rsinc.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re:All the ASR specs are in the new HACKER >Transoniq Hacker... did say that the new sampler should show up in >stores at the end of September. Well, seeing how it's October 7, I guess they're not entirely up-to-date, hmmm? I'm still waiting for my ASR. My dealer tells me that his contact at Ensoniq says that they are shipping sometime "before the 15th of October". Hopefully we'll see them next week! I'm kinda bummed because they were previously trying to ship before the first of this month. I'M GOING THRU SAMPLER WITHDRAWL! Maybe someone could post some of those ASR specs from the Hacker? Pretty pleeeeze... I used to get TH, but let my subscription lapse. Too much synth stuff/not enough sampler stuff. --- Keith From fys.uio.no!t.g.finstad Wed Oct 7 14:17:24 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.240.2.50 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:15 PDT Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <29158-0@pat.uio.no>; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:15:19 +0100 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:15:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:15:14 +0100 Message-Id: <9210072115.AAfidibus09949@fidibus.uio.no> Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no To: eps@reed.edu From: Terje Finstad Subject: My Love Affair with EPS; chapter 1 Cc: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no MY LOVE AFFAIR WITH EPS; CHAPTER 1 ( The mother in the dark alley and her violent vibrator ) For me it's most natural to say _she_ whan I talk about EPS. Before we met I had an affair with her mother. I met her (the mother) in a dark alley underneath the city streets of Atlanta in the spring of 1985. It was one of those places where tourists meet woman around there. She introduced herself as Mirage and asked if I would like to take her home with me. The french name tickled me. The sounds didn't impress me but I thought it was dirt cheap ($1600 + for input filter i think) So I brought Mirage with me home to Norway. She was made for 110 V. I had a lot other stuff that was 110 V, so I had wired my studio complete with 110 V as well as 220 V. I also had many 220->110V transformers for using equipment on gigs. This didn't work all well with Mirage. She worked OK in the US; that's what she was built for. The European Mirages also worked OK, so one cannot really complain, however it showed that the power-supply designers had dangerously tight margins. I just mention this because it can happen to anyone bringing US equipment to Europe. The AC current in US is 60 Hz while in Europe it is 50 Hz. Normally this has no effect, but the Mirage had too little iron in the transformer so the iron got saturated at 50 Hz. The stray field then put the case into violent mechanical vibrations. She made a lot of LOAD acoustic noise. I have never heard anything like it. Any conversation was impossible.( Also I couldnt change the sound.) So I just wound a new transformer and all was well. I have not had any troubles with Mirage, She's still singing with the voice she always had. I just play her and she sings. So based upon that experience I had all reasons to pick a sampler from Ensoniq when a cheap 12 bit sampler came around (fyi about $4500 with SCSI and 4X in Norway ) did the daugter also have a vibrator? had the mother given her daughter french lessons? these and other questions will be answered -next year. tgf ---------------------------------------------------------- From aero.org!obrien Wed Oct 7 15:07:08 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.221.192.10 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:06 PDT Received: from antares.aero.org by aerospace.aero.org with SMTP (5.65c/6.0.GT) id AA24272 for eps@reed.edu; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:06:32 -0700 Posted-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 15:06:30 PDT Message-Id: <199210072206.AA24272@aerospace.aero.org> Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA03678 for eps@reed.edu; Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:06:31 PDT To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Ensoniq Reliability In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 92 08:39:22 CDT." <00961BA4.7367AFF6.16894@nu1.uh.cwru.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 15:06:30 PDT From: Mike O'Brien I own an EPS Classic, from what must be near the beginning of the run. It gets hot, as they all do, but the hotter it gets the noisier it gets. On 100-degree days it puts out a noise floor that's about half as loud as the music. Not too quiet for a digital instrument. Mike O'Brien From grassman.gvg.tek.com!simpsonn Wed Oct 7 17:23:24 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.181.48.11 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:22 PDT Received: by relay.tek.com id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:11:31 -0700 Received: from gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com by tektronix.TEK.COM (4.1/8.0) id AA14586; Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:16:31 PDT Received: by gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com (5.57/9204230) id AA21677; Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:10:50 PDT Received: by grassman.gvg.tek.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05797; Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:10:47 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:10:47 PDT From: simpsonn@grassman.gvg.tek.com (Nanette Simpson) Message-Id: <9210080010.AA05797@grassman.gvg.tek.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: e-mail curiosity Is it just me or what? Everytime I send out a message to this group, it comes to me, as well as everyone else...but then about 8 hours later I get it sent to me again, but as a bounced MAILER-DAEMON from somewhere??? This is no biggy...just wondering. Nanette From moon.nbn.com!cyberden!xorcist Wed Oct 7 18:51:27 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.132.30.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:51 PDT Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-920918-2) id AA10273; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:52:25 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921002-1) id AA21807; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:50:32 -0700 Received: from cyberden.UUCP by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/MOON-34) id AA01810; Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:48:31 PDT Received: by cyberden.uucp (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:35:08 PDT for reed.edu!eps To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: opening the EPS From: moon!cyberden!xorcist Comments: The Devil Message-Id: Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:33:05 PDT In-Reply-To: <00961BA8.5EC4A640.31670@UALR.EDU> Organization: Indescribable Creations Hard On The Beaver writes: > Ok, for all those that have opened thier EPS classic, what do you use to > open it? It seems like you would use allen wrenches. If so what size. Please > let me know ASAP as I FINALLY have a chance at a record deal with polygram > (found out yesterday) and MY Frigging EPS is out of order *sigh*. Pretty much any hex wrench that will fit... but be prepared... once the 4 hex screws are removed, the top DOES lift up, regardless of how much it feels like it's still bolted down somewhere... the flip top needs a lot of help flipping. Oh yea, prepare to break 1 or more of the hex screw mounts on the inside. They are cheap pieces of crap. Welcome to the inside of your EPS. Also, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT use ANY kind of Feon or contact cleaner on the springs/keyboard area where you will hit the keys. THIS WILL CAUSE THE KEYS TO FREEZE AND BREAK! . Grrrr... orcist __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us ] From moon.nbn.com!cyberden!xorcist Wed Oct 7 18:51:27 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.132.30.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:51 PDT Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-920918-2) id AA10278; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:52:29 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921002-1) id AA21830; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:50:36 -0700 Received: from cyberden.UUCP by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/MOON-34) id AA01827; Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:48:43 PDT Received: by cyberden.uucp (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:44:29 PDT for reed.edu!eps To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Digest back issues From: moon!cyberden!xorcist Comments: The Devil Message-Id: Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:43:01 PDT Organization: Indescribable Creations Does anyone know if the reed.edu system has a mail archive server so I can obtain the EPS digests via mail ftp? I have no access to Internet so I need to send requests via mail. archive-server@reed.edu mail-server@reed.edu Those don't work.... Is this an impossibility? orcist __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us ] From kurango.cit.gu.edu.au!richard Wed Oct 7 21:33:44 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.234.5.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:33 PDT Received: by kurango.cit.gu.edu.au id AA02791 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for eps@reed.edu); Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:36:10 +1000 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:36:10 +1000 From: Stop That Pigeon!!! Message-Id: <199210080436.AA02791@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: New Bug I was making some BIG instruments last night about 1 a.m. and ended up with only 4 free system blocks. I wanted to create a small square wave to check the tuning of some of the stuff I'd been doing. So I select CREATE INSTRUMENT. My EPS16+ (running O.S. 1.3) says SELECT INST = 2 and I say, YES. It sits there for about 5 seconds then says ``ERROR 55 - REBOOT?''. Luckily, I'd saved the large samples I'd been doing to disk - but it was quite unnerving. I'll see if it happens on ``implicit'' instrument creation (i.e. sampling to a new isntrument) tonight, but I thought I'd get this out as soon as possible... richard (Keep those bugs coming - I need model/o.s./memory/config information as well as the bug description...) From sndcrft.dialix.oz.au!steveq Thu Oct 8 02:48:22 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 92 02:48 PDT Received: from uniwa.uwa.edu.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA20068; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:47:52 +1000 (from steveq@sndcrft.dialix.oz.au) Received: by uniwa.uwa.edu.au (5.65c) id AA03923; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:47:50 +0800 Received: from sndcrft by DIALix.oz.au id aa00023; 8 Oct 92 17:23 WST Received: by sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0047y; Sun, 1 Jan 78 02:32:07 PST Date: Sun, 1 Jan 78 02:32:07 PST Message-Id: <7801011032.AA0047x@sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au> In-Reply-To: <92Oct6.154447edt.2680@groucho.cs.psu.edu> X-Mailer: //\\miga Electronic Mail (AmiElm 1.11) Organization: Sound Craft Creative Music Reply-To: steveq@sndcrft.dialix.oz.au From: Steve Quartly To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Anyone got GKH utilities for an Amiga? Hi Michael, in your letter dated Oct 6 you wrote: > Well? > > --- Mike Well as it happens, my most recent purchase is an Amiga 2000HD. I was thinking of porting Disk Wizard over to the Amiga! Would there be any interest in the list if I did this? How many would use it? See ya, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> S t e v e Q u a r t l y, P e r t h W e s t e r n A u s t r a l i a, _--_|\ N PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (295 3359). / \ W + E Perth --> *_.--._/ S 43rd Law of Computing: Anything tha can go wr v error: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped. steveq@sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Thu Oct 8 05:15:21 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 92 05:15 PDT Received: from comm.mot.com ([145.1.3.2]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03690; Thu, 8 Oct 92 07:15:23 CDT Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com (node_27d3b.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01895; Thu, 8 Oct 92 07:19:26 CDT Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA15702; Thu, 8 Oct 92 07:55:23 EDT Message-Id: <9210081155.AA15702@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com (David Schick) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 07:55:18 EDT Subject: ASR10 Seminar - questions, any1? To: eps@reed.edu NOOO-O-O-O-O-O-OOOSE! I'm attending an Ensoniq seminar @Abe's Music in Miami, Fl, USA 2nite. They will be premiering the ASR-10, as well as featuring the following: DP/4 KS-32 KMX-16 (MIDI patch bay) KMX-8 (MIDI patch bay) and just about every other shipping Ensoniq product, but no mention of the EPS samplers. If any1 has any questions about any of these products, I'll Bhappy 2try2 get as many answered as I can. Is any1 else attending this seminar? Am I the only EPSer in the south Florida area with email? So once the ASR is shipping, do we start a new mailing list, or will ASR-10 discussions continue here? ---------------------------------------------------------------- _ __// Zoltan Android _________________ _ __/ _/ Sequencing the Blues / V \/ / in South Florida | / | | \ / schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com \ ____ | \___ / \__ / / / ___ \_ / \||\ |/__ \ \_/ \\_\|/__\ \ |\__@__\\ \_//|\\\ \__/_/||| ---------------------------------------------------------------- From nu1.uh.cwru.edu!ellert Thu Oct 8 06:50:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.22.168.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 92 06:49 PDT Received: by nu1.uh.cwru.edu (MX V2.3-1) id 17003; Thu, 08 Oct 1992 09:49:31 EDT Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 09:49:31 EDT From: ellert@nu1.uh.cwru.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-ID: <00961C77.6A711440.17003@nu1.uh.cwru.edu> Subject: Re: Re: Anyone got GKH utilities for an Amiga? Hi, I'm not sure exactly what Disk Wizard does, but if it will allow EPS disks to be manipulated on the Amiga I would use it. I've been considering doing something along those lines myself but have been hesitant to dig into the guts of the Amiga. In addition to Steve Quartly, Andrew Arensburger has also expressed an interest in writing such utilities. FYI -- there is a public domain program called MSH which allows the Amiga disk drive to use AmigaDos or MsDos disk interchangeably. The source code is available for MSH and hopefully the author would give permission to enhance/cannibalize the program. At least, that was the approach I was favoring since I'm much more interested in neural-net and image-processing research than finding sector markers. Another project for the Amiga is writing a program to transfer info via SCSI. I picture a system as follows -- a number of SCSI disks and the EPS are connected to the Amiga; say a nice hard-disk, a CD-ROM, and the EPS. The Amiga would act as the moderator for sample/info requests from the EPS, and would be able to fulfill the requests from either the hard-disk or the CD-ROM, depending where the data resides. Ciao, Ed From sand.sics.bu.oz.au!s057 Thu Oct 8 07:13:24 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.244.1.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 92 07:13 PDT Received: from surf.sics.bu.oz.au by kirk.bu.oz.au using SMTP (5.65b) id AA22475; Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:13:07 +1000 Received: from SAND.SICS.BU.OZ.AU by surf.sics.bu.oz.au using SMTP (5.65b) id AA09315; Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:13:20 -0900 Return-Path: Received: by sand.sics.bu.oz.au (5.57/Ultrix-32-V3.0) id AA06773; Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:16:00 EST From: Stephen Gregory Message-Id: <9210081416.AA06773@sand.sics.bu.oz.au> Subject: More grumblings ... To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 0:15:59 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] While we are all moaning about the problems with the EPS/16+s, I also have a long story to tell about my EPS. Actually it's so long that I don't think I'll bother telling it, but the result was that one Ensoniq repair station lost their licence, and Ensoniq virtually gave me a 16+. I've had no problems with the 16+ at all, apart from the usual errors now and then when you go on stage in front of thousands of people .... I have to admit that after owning Ensoniq gear for nearly 3 years, I am still apprehensive about taking my sampler into a live situation. I can say all this now because I've sold my 16+ :-) What I want to know is how reliable the ASR10 is going to be. I mean there were problems with the EPSs and the early 16+s, so I guess there's likely to be problems with the early ASR-10s too. Waddya reckon ??? Do you agree, or do you think that Ensoniq have finally built something that will hang together longer enough to finishing frying my breakfast that I had sitting on top of it. Don't get me wrong, I think we all agree that Ensoniq provides more bang for the buck than any other sampler, but would anyone be confiden t using it all the time in a live situation? Just wondering, Steve Gregory Gold Coast Australia From horde Thu Oct 8 13:01:26 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 127.0.0.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:01 PDT Message-Id: To: moon\!cyberden\!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Digest back issues In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:43:01 PDT. Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:01:07 -0700 From: "Mr. Heiji Horde" In message you write: >archive-server@reed.edu >mail-server@reed.edu >Those don't work.... Is this an impossibility? Those are an impossibility...yes. But there is this: For your information anonymous FTP may be performed through the mail by an ftp-mail server. Send a message with the word 'help' in it to: ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com And you might be able to use that instead. Though I wonder if that mailer is smart enough to figure out a "!" address. -Heiji horde@reed.edu From fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Fri Oct 9 06:53:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 92 06:52 PDT Received: from comm.mot.com ([145.1.3.2]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06713; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:52:32 CDT Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com (node_27d3b.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA13354; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:57:08 CDT Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA18303; Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:33:04 EDT Message-Id: <9210091333.AA18303@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com (David Schick) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:33:00 EDT Subject: ASR-10 stuff from seminar To: eps@reed.edu Ethmoid! I attended an Ensoniq seminar last nite at Abe's music in Miami, Fl. The presenter was Riki Brown, District Sales Manager for Ensoniq. The seminar included the SQ series, the SD-1, DP/4, KMX-8/16, and the ASR-10. I'll only talk about the ASR-10, but if anyone has questions about the other products, please feel free to ask me. First, some specs, some of which may have already been posted here or on rec.music.synth: o Reads and plays sounds from all EPS/EPS-16+ disks. There is no optional IBM-PC format for the 1.44MB disk drive (according to Riki), as was once rumoured. o 'True' 16-bit linear sampling utilizing 64X oversampling Sigma-Delta (one-bit) technology o Stereo and Mono sampling. Sample rates of 44.1 and 29.76 KHz. Dedicated stereo audio input preamp with hardware mic/line switch and input level trim control. o Time compression/expansion function (non-real time) with compression up to 1/2 the original time, or expansion up to 2.5 times the original sample length. o 1 Year Factory parts and labor warranty. List price $2695. Available: 'next week'. o Options: OEX-6sr output expander (OEX-6 for EPS is not compatible) SP-3 SCSI Interface (available in 30 days) AES/EBU digital I/O board (installed internally) o "Santa will deliver the rack mount version". The rack comes standard with 8 outputs. o 50 effects algorithms, including the original 13 from the EPS-16+ and many from the DP/4. Waveboy disks should still work. Okay, those were some of the specs, here's my impressions and other observations: It's an impressive machine. It sounds incredible, seemingly better than the 16+. Many of the EPS's limitations have been addressed, and Riki is encouraging trade-up policies at the stores in his district. The front panel layout and display is identical to the EPS-16+, with a few additions, most notably the 'Audio Tracks' (or something like that) buttons. Let's say you have 7 tracks and all your effects used up. Where do you go from there? You bounce the 7 tracks down to one track and keep going! He demonstrated this with about a minutes worth of music, then added more to the freed tracks. Sounded great. Of course, even with the full 16MB, you only get 4.5 minutes of mono 29.76 KHz audio, so I don't this would be useful for a whole song. It's sort of like an 8 track digital recorder. I didn't ask much about this, since I have sufficient equipment outside my EPS-16+. I also didn't pay much attention to the sequencer, since I do all sequencing externally, but it looked pretty much the same as the1 in the 16+. He did have a SCSI drive hooked up, although it is not available commercially yet. It seemed to work fine, except once in the show a horribly, green ugly hum penetrated the store which could only be eliminated by turning off the drive for a minute. Apparently he had left it on for several hours in the depths of his rack and it overheated (their explanation). Anyway, once he powered it up again everything was fine for the rest of the show. He did not reboot the ASR-10 in the process. One limitation which was not addressed was the lack of a comprehensive MIDI controller implementation. It retains the one XCTRL the EPS-16+ has. After buying a DP/4 a month or so ago and really enjoying the 8 assignable MIDI controllers, I thought they would have made the ASR-10 more flexible than the standard pitch bend, modulation, and aftertouch implementation. I could really use them for dynamic control of individual drum samples within an instrument. I NEED TO START WORKING NOW! If there are any questions, email them to me and I'll post a conglomeration tomorrow. Happy (mono) sampling! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Zoltan Android (schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com) Mary had a little lamb. And a side order of fries. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Fri Oct 9 09:57:05 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:56 PDT Received: from comm.mot.com ([145.1.3.2]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA16084; Fri, 9 Oct 92 11:56:54 CDT Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com (node_27d3b.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA18918; Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:01:29 CDT Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA18939; Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:37:16 EDT Message-Id: <9210091637.AA18939@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com (David Schick) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:37:13 EDT Subject: Problems? To: eps@reed.edu Hello? I have not received any letters from the mailing list since early yesterday, including one I sent this morning, although I received a few email replies to it! Is my incoming eps email bouncing back to anyone? Wondering where the electrons are going, Zoltan Android (schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------- From moon.nbn.com!cyberden!xorcist Fri Oct 9 17:35:36 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.132.30.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:35 PDT Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-920918-2) id AA28380; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:36:29 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921002-1) id AA20207; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:34:37 -0700 Received: from cyberden.UUCP by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/moon-35) id AA06042; Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:33:49 PDT Received: by cyberden.uucp (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 09 Oct 92 16:22:24 PDT for reed.edu!eps To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: ASR-10 stuff from seminar From: cyberden!xorcist@moon.nbn.com Comments: The Devil Message-Id: Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 16:20:25 PDT In-Reply-To: <9210091333.AA18303@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> Organization: Indescribable Creations Jeessuss... sorry about that FORWARDed message... type FOR instead of FOL. Damn... one letter off in Waffle and you might as well get the wood and nails. moon!fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda (David Schick) writes: > > Ethmoid! godblessyou > > I attended an Ensoniq seminar last nite at Abe's music in Miami, > Fl. The presenter was Riki Brown, District Sales Manager for > Ensoniq. The seminar included the SQ series, the SD-1, DP/4, > KMX-8/16, and the ASR-10. I heard that the ASR-10 was going to support HD playback/recording. Any truth to this? IE, Sample input can be written directly to the SCSI HD, and then back... kinda like a self contained sound tools... orcist __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ xorcist@cyberden.uucp ] From moon.nbn.com!cyberden!xorcist Fri Oct 9 17:35:36 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.132.30.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:35 PDT Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-920918-2) id AA28388; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:36:34 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921002-1) id AA20237; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:34:43 -0700 Received: from cyberden.UUCP by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/moon-35) id AA06033; Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:33:41 PDT Received: by cyberden.uucp (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 09 Oct 92 16:20:13 PDT for reed.edu!eps To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: ASR-10 stuff from seminar From: cyberden!xorcist@moon.nbn.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 16:20:12 PDT In-Reply-To: <9210091333.AA18303@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> Organization: Indescribable Creations >From moon!fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Fri Oct 9 13:05:14 1992 remote from cyberden Received: by cyberden.uucp (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 09 Oct 92 13:08:58 PDT for xorcist Received: by moon.nbn.com (4.1/NBN-16/moon-35) id AA04574; Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:05:14 PDT Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by well.sf.ca.us with SMTP (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921002-1) id AA23703; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:35:15 -0700 Received: from reed.edu by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-920918-2) id AA18558; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:37:02 -0700 Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 92 06:52 PDT Received: from comm.mot.com ([145.1.3.2]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06713; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:52:32 CDT Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com (node_27d3b.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA13354; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:57:08 CDT Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA18303; Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:33:04 EDT Message-Id: <9210091333.AA18303@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: moon!fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda (David Schick) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:33:00 EDT Subject: ASR-10 stuff from seminar To: reed.edu!eps Ethmoid! I attended an Ensoniq seminar last nite at Abe's music in Miami, Fl. The presenter was Riki Brown, District Sales Manager for Ensoniq. The seminar included the SQ series, the SD-1, DP/4, KMX-8/16, and the ASR-10. I'll only talk about the ASR-10, but if anyone has questions about the other products, please feel free to ask me. First, some specs, some of which may have already been posted here or on rec.music.synth: o Reads and plays sounds from all EPS/EPS-16+ disks. There is no optional IBM-PC format for the 1.44MB disk drive (according to Riki), as was once rumoured. o 'True' 16-bit linear sampling utilizing 64X oversampling Sigma-Delta (one-bit) technology o Stereo and Mono sampling. Sample rates of 44.1 and 29.76 KHz. Dedicated stereo audio input preamp with hardware mic/line switch and input level trim control. o Time compression/expansion function (non-real time) with compression up to 1/2 the original time, or expansion up to 2.5 times the original sample length. o 1 Year Factory parts and labor warranty. List price $2695. Available: 'next week'. o Options: OEX-6sr output expander (OEX-6 for EPS is not compatible) SP-3 SCSI Interface (available in 30 days) AES/EBU digital I/O board (installed internally) o "Santa will deliver the rack mount version". The rack comes standard with 8 outputs. o 50 effects algorithms, including the original 13 from the EPS-16+ and many from the DP/4. Waveboy disks should still work. Okay, those were some of the specs, here's my impressions and other observations: It's an impressive machine. It sounds incredible, seemingly better than the 16+. Many of the EPS's limitations have been addressed, and Riki is encouraging trade-up policies at the stores in his district. The front panel layout and display is identical to the EPS-16+, with a few additions, most notably the 'Audio Tracks' (or something like that) buttons. Let's say you have 7 tracks and all your effects used up. Where do you go from there? You bounce the 7 tracks down to one track and keep going! He demonstrated this with about a minutes worth of music, then added more to the freed tracks. Sounded great. Of course, even with the full 16MB, you only get 4.5 minutes of mono 29.76 KHz audio, so I don't this would be useful for a whole song. It's sort of like an 8 track digital recorder. I didn't ask much about this, since I have sufficient equipment outside my EPS-16+. I also didn't pay much attention to the sequencer, since I do all sequencing externally, but it looked pretty much the same as the1 in the 16+. He did have a SCSI drive hooked up, although it is not available commercially yet. It seemed to work fine, except once in the show a horribly, green ugly hum penetrated the store which could only be eliminated by turning off the drive for a minute. Apparently he had left it on for several hours in the depths of his rack and it overheated (their explanation). Anyway, once he powered it up again everything was fine for the rest of the show. He did not reboot the ASR-10 in the process. One limitation which was not addressed was the lack of a comprehensive MIDI controller implementation. It retains the one XCTRL the EPS-16+ has. After buying a DP/4 a month or so ago and really enjoying the 8 assignable MIDI controllers, I thought they would have made the ASR-10 more flexible than the standard pitch bend, modulation, and aftertouch implementation. I could really use them for dynamic control of individual drum samples within an instrument. I NEED TO START WORKING NOW! If there are any questions, email them to me and I'll post a conglomeration tomorrow. Happy (mono) sampling! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Zoltan Android (schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com) Mary had a little lamb. And a side order of fries. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Sat Oct 10 10:49:28 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 10 Oct 92 10:49 PDT Received: from comm.mot.com ([145.1.3.2]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA22288; Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:49:32 CDT Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com (node_27d3b.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21438; Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:54:11 CDT Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA22346; Sat, 10 Oct 92 13:29:53 EDT Message-Id: <9210101729.AA22346@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com (David Schick) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 13:29:49 EDT Subject: Answers to seminar questions. To: eps@reed.edu Goodbye! Here are the answers to your questions about the ASR-10, etc. I'll answer more if you've got'em. .yojnE ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for the scoop on the ASR-10. I must say I'm a little > dissappointed that they didn't design a different box. Well, the physical 'box' or case is different, but I don't think that's what you meant. It looks a little better than the 16+ case - more metal, less plastic. I think the disk tray is angled a little deeper, for those of you that keep your synths at a high angle on a stand. The front sides rounded down a bit, two. The ASR-10 logo is also much cooler! ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Does the SCSI expansion get implemented the same silly way as the > EPS-16 by sticking out of a little plastic protuberance on back? Okay, shoot me for not checking this out! I did look at the back panel, and noticed a few additions from the 16+. The line/mic toggle switch and trim pot for the stereo input preamp was new, in addition to the extra input jack. Also new were the RCA digital I/O jacks. The AES/EBU option is installed internally, so I'm wondering if maybe the SCSI option is set up the same way. Ready, aim, fire! ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Does the output expander look the same as the old one, i.e., a little > box that you can't fit anywhere that overheats and is barely > connected in a trustworthy fashion to the sampler itself? They did not have an output expander there. The jack in the rear is the same as the jack on the 16+, though they are not compatible. So I imagine the answer to your question is (groan) yes. ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Did you get a chance to see how they install the extra ram? No, though they suggested that you could do it yourself, ie, buy some SIMMs from a computer store, open up the ASR-10, and install them yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Did the operating system appear different or just appended? I didn't drive the beast much, but I was watching Riki drive it after the seminar ended. The operating system of the 16+ has been copied to the ASR-10, with extensions that support the new features. ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I'm interested in the KMX-8/16 what are the prices? How is it functionally? > What are your impressions? I have been trying to get some liturature from > Ensoniq but appareently it is still in production. List prices: KMX-8: US$295 KMX-16: US$579 I can't remember if they mentioned the availability date or not. I have seen ads in EM for them, though, so perhaps they're already shipping. I took home the spec sheets that were on my seat. They must be hot off the presses! Here's some detail (additional KMX 16 features in parens): MEMORY ------ o 30 (99) presets, accessible from MIDI or the front panel. o Controls up to 8 (15) MIDI inputs and 8 (16) MIDI outputs. o Presets are preserved on power down. o No batteries required to maintain memory. o Edit butter MIDI ---- o Built in MIDI merge on Inputs 1 and 2 o Memory can be backed up via MIDI sysex dump o Presets can be selected via MIDI Program changes (with limiting of program change range for sharing on the same channel as another MIDI device) o ('Intelligent' inputs 1&2 can listen for MIDI prgm changes and sysex messages on two seperate (their spelling!) MIDI channels) LIMITED WARRANTY ---------------- o One year, parts and labor. OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES -------------------- o KMX-Remote Editor/librarian software available for the Macintosh and Atarie ST computers. Riki said that this software was available free by sending in the registration/warranty card. They presented the bays as simple solutions to complex problems. They do not channelize or perform any filtering. The reasoning for the lack of channelizing and filtering was that (to paraphrase) 'if you have a system large enough to require a patch bay, then channelizing and filtering tools probably already exist in your system.' My wording sounds like a little more of a cop-out than the real wording (disclaimer!!!!). The prices seem a little on the steep side, considering the lack of features. Personally, I don't think I need the extra features either, but I would expect a lower price. I can get a JL Cooper Rev 2 (8x8, channelizing, filtering, merging, more) for about 265 mail order. It'll be interesting to see what the street prices will be for these boxes (boxi?). ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I heard that the ASR-10 was going to support HD playback/recording. > Any truth to this? IE, Sample input can be written directly to the > SCSI HD, and then back... kinda like a self contained sound tools... Hmmmm. I had assumed that he was just writing to the 16MB of RAM he had - I could be mistaken. He did not explicitly mention that it was writing to the drive, and I did not ask either. Some of the stuff he was doing was like a self contained ST, though. If it's not supported in the first OS, maybe it will come out later. --------------------------------------------------------------------- One more note - I checked out the 'feel' of the KS-32, and didn't care for it much. I don't care the A-80's feel much, either. The KS-32 seems lighter than a piano, but just as responsive. The keys seem to have a shallower travel than a real piano. On the other hand, the A-80 has heavier, more realistic feel, but it's not as responsive as the KS-32. When playing fast licks, the A-80's keys don't seem to come back as fast as a piano's, while the KS-32's keys do. ======================================================================= Zoltan Android. Half man, half machine, half single-celled organism. schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com ======================================================================= From pucc.PRINCETON.EDU!OUACCVMB.BITNET!CLEARY Sat Oct 10 12:12:14 1992 Return-Path: <@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:CLEARY@OUACCVMB.BITNET> Received: from 128.112.129.99 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:11 PDT Message-Id: Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1278; Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:11:02 EDT Received: from OUACCVMB.BITNET (CLEARY) by PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (Mailer R2.08 ptf043) with BSMTP id 2324; Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:11:02 EDT Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:13:27 EST To: eps@reed.edu From: CLEARY%OUACCVMB.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU Comment: CROSSNET mail via SMTP@INTERBIT Date: 10 October 92, 15:11:14 EST From: CLEARY at OUACCVMB To: EPS at REED.EDU Sub: Response to ftp questions Thanks to all who responded to my call for help to download sounds. I tried to respond individually, but several of my thank you notes were returned. Thanks again. From sand.sics.bu.oz.au!s057 Sat Oct 10 23:35:31 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.244.1.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 10 Oct 92 23:35 PDT Received: from surf.sics.bu.oz.au by kirk.bu.oz.au using SMTP (5.65b) id AA01709; Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:35:04 +1000 Received: from SAND.SICS.BU.OZ.AU by surf.sics.bu.oz.au using SMTP (5.65b) id AA02394; Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:35:19 -0900 Return-Path: Received: by sand.sics.bu.oz.au (5.57/Ultrix-32-V3.0) id AA18194; Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:37:59 EST From: Stephen Gregory Message-Id: <9210110637.AA18194@sand.sics.bu.oz.au> Subject: Hard Drive Problems To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:37:58 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I was wondering whether anybody out there has come across this problem ... I have just bought a new 44Mb removable hard drive. It's fantastic, wonderful, cool etc. BUT I have one problem. Periodically the drive stops loading (usually during a bank load) and comes back with "Disk Not Responding". So I turn everything off and turn it on again, and nothing happens. I fixed it yesterday by changing the SCSI lead from the top to the bottom input of the hard drive, which worked fine for a few hours or so. There is a little notice on the back of the drive that says "Not internally termninated", and according to the SCSI manual I should have it terminated (I'm only going fromthe 16+m to the drive). I raang up the guy who sold it to me (a fairly reputable music shop) and he said "I've sold 70 of these drives, and no-one has ever come back and asked me for a terminator". Any ideas??? Steve Gregory Gold Coast Australia