From ualr.edu!jabussey Sun Apr 19 07:28:31 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 19 Apr 92 07:28 PDT Received: from alpha.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Sun, 19 Apr 1992 09:28 CDT Received: by UALR.EDU (MX V3.1) id 12016; Sun, 19 Apr 1992 09:28:04 EDT Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1992 09:27:53 EDT From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples Sender: jabussey@ualr.edu To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <0095954B.E5BAD400.12016@UALR.EDU> Ok guys, I have had another one of my brainstorms (Yea, more like a brain sprinkle ;-) ). Any way, since we can extract the samples and most of the important info about the sample, why don't we try to get the format for other samplers so we can write sample converters! I think this would blow the sample trading game WIDE OPEN!!! Whats more, we could even start a sample saving standard that the Designers may pick up on. Please let me know what ya think. Also if you have the format for any other samplers I would like to get that info. I'm mainly looking for Akai, W-30 and Emax sample formats. Jacque jabussey@ualr.edu From mentor.cc.purdue.edu!greenejl Sun Apr 19 08:34:22 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.210.10.8 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 19 Apr 92 08:34 PDT Received: by mentor.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA21533; Sun, 19 Apr 92 10:33:32 -0500 From: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Greene) Message-Id: <9204191533.AA21533@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Re: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples To: jabussey@ualr.edu (Hard On The Beaver) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 92 10:33:32 EST Cc: eps@reed.edu (Ensoniq EPS Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <0095954B.E5BAD400.12016@UALR.EDU>; from "Hard On The Beaver" at Apr 19, 92 9:27 am Hi! > Ok guys, I have had another one of my brainstorms (Yea, more like a > brain sprinkle ;-) ). Any way, since we can extract the samples and most > of the important info about the sample, why don't we try to get the format > for other samplers so we can write sample converters! I think this would > blow the sample trading game WIDE OPEN!!! Whats more, we could even start > a sample saving standard that the Designers may pick up on. > > Please let me know what ya think. Also if you have the format for any > other samplers I would like to get that info. I'm mainly looking for > Akai, W-30 and Emax sample formats. > I think that's great! I was talking to someone about the AIFF format for storing samples of different types. Could this be a possibility? The format for AIFF was in the mailing list before. Plus, if its good enough, you could even buy disks for other keyboards and translate them for your EPS! Public domain for other keyboards, etc... Could this work for synths too? I mean could we eventually take a disk for a synth (such as Ensoniq VFX or Korg M1) and play it on our sampler? I would think so, because all it would take are parameters and some kind of beginning wave which the EPS could do, correct? What do you think about adding Kurtzweil (sp?), Yamaha, and Korg to your list (if synths count)? -Jon Greene From ualr.edu!jabussey Sun Apr 19 08:58:14 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 19 Apr 92 08:58 PDT Received: from delta.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Sun, 19 Apr 1992 10:57 CDT Received: by UALR.EDU (MX V3.1) id 12018; Sun, 19 Apr 1992 10:57:38 EDT Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1992 10:57:32 EDT From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: RE: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples Sender: jabussey@ualr.edu To: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu Cc: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <00959558.6BEC59C0.12018@UALR.EDU> >Hi! [Stuff from my Vaporish talk deleted] >> Please let me know what ya think. Also if you have the format for any >> other samplers I would like to get that info. I'm mainly looking for >> Akai, W-30 and Emax sample formats. >> >I think that's great! I was talking to someone about the AIFF format >for storing samples of different types. Could this be a possibility? >The format for AIFF was in the mailing list before. My main goal is to provide a way for us (EPS users) to snag samples from other samplers and also be able to say take a disk from the eps, convert it to the W-30 and take it to the studio, slam it in their W-30 and go!! (Yea, the studio I work with down here doesnt have an EPS *sigh*) I hate taking my EPS to the studio every time! >Plus, if its good enough, you could even buy disks for other keyboards >and translate them for your EPS! Public domain for other keyboards, etc... Exactly that would be cool as hell. What I see is a program for which we could write format files that is could read and then translate the corresponding disk. ie. Write a driver for converting the W-30 format. The program reads the driver then it knows how to convert the disk to EPS. That way when we get the format for ANOTHER sampler, all we have to do is write another driver that describes that format! I plan on working on this myself but what I make will not be ANYTING close to what I mention above. MY code would just be bare bones enough to translate what ever format I get. Hopefully some of our WONDER programmers on this list will take over the Idea and help out where I leave off. AS soon as I get my 386 Im going to start writing the program. Although I won't be able to finish it until I get some formats for other samplers. So if ANYONE can get me these specs please do! I need them as complete as possible because Im NO HACKER, just a decent 'C' programmer. Jacque jabussey@ualr.edu From cs.mu.OZ.AU!richard Sun Apr 19 21:55:34 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.35.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sun, 19 Apr 92 21:55 PDT Received: from localhost by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50); id AA27028 Mon, 20 Apr 1992 14:54:23 +1000 (from richard@cs.mu.OZ.AU) Message-Id: <9204200454.27028@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> To: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Cc: ceej@cup.portal.com, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: HARD DRIVES In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 92 04:12:32 MST." <9204181112.AA06316@bert.ads.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 92 14:54:22 +1000 From: Richard Hagen > One more question from the newbie: Is it a pipe dream to think that I > could use a removable for both my Amiga *and* the EPS? Like, use different Yes, you could do this - do you have a SCSI interface for the Amiga? I've already got a drive with a SCSI pass-through, and I'm just on the verge of another cable and cart. > carts for each system and rig up some sort of a switching device? Hmm, You don't need a switch. SCSI is a bit like MIDI. richard From hpgrrd.gr.hp.com!daver Mon Apr 20 09:14:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 15.255.152.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 09:12 PDT Received: from hpgrrd.gr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA11346; Mon, 20 Apr 92 09:12:25 -0700 Received: by hpgrrd.gr.hp.com (15.11/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA24197; Mon, 20 Apr 92 10:11:54 mdt Date: Mon, 20 Apr 92 10:11:54 mdt From: Dave Ruska Message-Id: <9204201611.AA24197@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS board stuff Cc: daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com Recently "Mike Allinger" writes: > Joe , the following comes from a previous board discussion submitted by Steve > Q. I hope this text file transmits ok because it looks like hell here. Well, actually it wasn't Steves submission, and the text wasn't completely intact. For the sake of the eps mailing list as a whole I'll repost my original response to the eps-board. Regards, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | |Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 14:21:47 mdt |From: Dave Ruska |To: eps-board@reed.edu |Subject: EPS board discussions |Cc: daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com | |This (long) response contains replies to the last few days of eps-board mail. | |Dave. | v============================================================================== Joe Niski writes: > ... > Meanwhile, these are what i see as issues in need of decisions, more > or less in order of priority: > 1) file format for disk images. My impression is that most folks favor > binary files in a compressed format. I agree. Binary files (not uuencoded), and compression (unix .Z) for the disk image files would be my votes. > If utilities that can use Goh > King Hwa's format continue becoming available for other PCs, i think > the disk-images should be compressed with a unix program only, as > some machines (like the Mac) don't have compression programs that can > deal with .zip or .arj files (correct me if i'm wrong). i'll convert > our existing collection once we decide. Again, I agree. Adding a compressed archiving program like zip or arj or arc, etc, will make it much more difficult for other platforms (such as a Mac or Atari) to access the files. The fewer the utilities we need to find or port for each platform -- the better. Besides, the purpose of the archiving utilties is generally to encapsulate groups of files, directory structures, access modes, date and time stamps, etc. None of this adds much if any value to storing eps disk images. For the same reason, I would also suggest that we don't use 'tar' to encapsulate the README file with the disk image. The README file (or whatever its name or extension is) needs to be readable from the ftp server BEFORE the person goes through all the time and expense of transferring the image file. Normally a person would type 'get some-name.TXT -' which would display the README file on there screen (they don't even have to transfer it to a local file). They could then decide whether they want to transfer the disk image or not. Concerning the actual TYPE of the disk image I would hope we could converge on the EDM file format long term (not the GKH 1.0 format). For now it seems like we still don't have majority access to the EDM format. Unless I missed a mail message, I don't believe the GKH version 2.0? (EDM compatible) has come out yet, and we also don't have any released documentation on the EDM format so other platforms can develop format/unformat utilities. In the short term it seems like we might need to support GKH and EDE as our disk image formats. > 2) a convention for file names. i guess this would in large part > follow from #1. We certainly need one. My suggestion: disk-name.TXT <- the readme file disk-name.???.Z <- the binary disk image (where ??? is EDE or GKH) > 3) directory organization. We're currently using two directories, > one for disk-images and one for utilities. At some future date we may want to > organize the disk-image files into categories. A more immediate need > i see is a directory for documentation - it would be nice if someone > could go through recent postings to the list and extract info on using > ftp, other useful stuff and start developing a FAQ list. Volunteers? > i'm sure more details will need to be addressed before too long. A possibility for splitting up the disk-images would be to organize them by the type of sounds they contain. Examples would be Bass, Drums, Guitars, Pianos, Strings, Synth, etc. I already have 100+ PD disks which came this way. For disks which contain multiple types of sounds (like many of the PD 'demo sequence' disks) we could put them in a separate directory (called multi, or something). Maybe the disks with sequence demos should go into a "demos" directory. > Regarding process for making decisions: i think we can agree on an > agenda by consensus, and it would be nice make all decisions that way. > When we don't all agree, i'm comfortable with a simple majority > decision. I agree, but let's also make sure that our 'majority' decisions also represent a 'majority' opinion within eps@reed.edu. I'm sure the six of us (seven counting Scott) are NOT a random sampling of the mailing list. Certain decisions might best be made by first sending out a survey to the mailing list, reviewing the results, and then make the decision. > It would be nice if Scott could communicate our doings to > the broader EPS mailing list. I agree. We voted this guy into office. He's got to do something besides write bad checks to charities (just a U.S. politics joke Scott). ============================================================================= Steve Q. writes: > ... > If we can find a compression format that ALL machines can emulate, this > would be preferable as it reduces txfr time from your Unix node to you. > I pay for this Internet service, so any reduction in on-line time is > an advantage. .ARC is pretty prolific. Agreed -- we need ONE compression format. My vote would be unix compress (.Z), it sounds like yours is .ARC. This may be one of those issues where we really need to survey the mailing list as a whole to find out what platforms they are running on, and what utilities they have access to. We could also place executables for the compession utility on our ftp server for the various platforms (in UNcompressed format of course), but we should first try to pick things that most people already have. > Also, I cannot FTP, I have to ftpmail so uuencoding at the source is > necessary. Could this be done automatically on receipt of a ftpmail > command? This way the files are not wasting space on the disk uuencoded. > HOWEVER, if not, I agree a unix compression would be preferable. I have heard that some ftpmail servers take care of the uunencoding, but I don't know about all of them. Hopefully someone else could answer this. > Perhap every disk image sent to the system should have an attached file > with the same name describing the disk eg: > DEMO1.EDE -> Disk image. > DEMO1.TXT -> Text file describing the above. but DEMO1.EDE.Z if compressed with the (unix-style) compress program.... > This way if you see a name of a disk image, youll know the name of the > description file & vice versa. Yup, and a person can read the .TXT file before they decide whether or not to transfer the disk image. > A skeleton format could be used. > > DISK IMAGE FILE > --------------- > > Sent by: ______________________________ > Disk Contents: ______________________________ > ______________________________ > ______________________________ > > Description: > > Any ideas, any suggestions for more info.??? Well, here's an example of a disc catalog entry which was put together by Kelly Larson. Descriptions for EPS Disk #Z024 |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Name |Size|Type |Desc | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |ANLOGSOUND 2| 87|Synth |Analog sound with punchy filter attack. Could be | | | | |used for either bass or lead sound, sounds good | | | | |across entire board. *0 flange effect, 0* Mono | | | | |sound with legato layer, ** muffled pluck. | | | | | | |ASIA | 755|Synth |Chiff flute like sound over smooth sustaining | | | | |note. Adds fifth above also for an oriental | | | | |flavor. | | | | | | |FM BLP SYNTH| 25|Lead |Nice sounding lead with FM growl to it, somewhat | | | | |percussive attack. Great bass sound too. *0 does | | | | |weird slide up, 0* and ** are incredibly thick | | | | |monophonic versions, slight port. | | | | | | |ISLAND | 86|Drum |Steel drum sound, mon. PS can select arpeggio. | | | | | | |SQUARE SOLO | 10|Lead |Really fun monophonic lead with slight portamento.| | | | |Hollow square tone with some ring modulation, bass| | | | |drone sounds good too. Pressure adds slight pitch | | | | |bend. | | | | | | |THE WAVE | 619|Synth |Plays note one fourth down also. As tine like | | | | |sound sustains, breathy vocals fade in and | | | | |sustain. | | | | | | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| By the way, Kelly has already put together catalog entries for 135! PD disks which Kelly and I have in our collections. ============================================================================= Joe writes: > Steve Q. has some good ideas, which follow below. i set up an address, > eps-board@reed.edu, which includes the six of us ("board" is shorter and > easier to spell than "committee", out of deference to our newly elected > leader ;-). Great. I'll be sending this reply to 'eps-board@reed.edu'. ============================================================================= Ed Roth writes: > To address document inclusion and platform portability I recommend a > xxx.tar.Z file format. Disk images, text files and whatever else should be > tar'd into one filename describing it's format ie. horns.GKH.tar . This > file should then be compressed with the UNIX compress utility. This would > result in a filename like horns.GKH.tar.Z . When this file is uncompress'd, > and untar'd it will reveal the disk image, text files, and whatever else was > included at the time it was tar'd. > Comments? Suggestions? I agree with using the image format in the name (.GKH in your example) and using unix compress (.Z), but I'd have to vote against the 'tar' archiving. First, we need to keep the text file (README) separate from the disk image so that people can first read it BEFORE deciding to transfer the disk image (eg. Kohler.EDE.Z might be a jazzy horn sound, or a toilet flushing). And as mentioned, not everyone has tar (or untar), and an archiving utility just doesn't add much value for storing our disk images. ============================================================================= Steve Q. writes: > The only forseeable problem I see with .atr & .Z is that if you ftp into > the site, you would'nt be able to see there & then what the text files > contain. > If the text files were in .TXT you could cat/more *.TXT if you wished > and see everything. The .TXT file would also contain the image name > & so then you could pick whatever you wanted and take that. I agree here. > Perhaps I am wrong, could you do this with .tar & .Z ? Not without transferring the image down, uncompressing it, and untarring it first. So you right. ============================================================================= Jacque (to eps.reed.edu) writes: > Why are we uuencodeing these files? I think it most we should compress them > on the pc, upload to the network and binary ftp the files to the site. I think > tarring and compressing on the UNIX is even better! Because you have > untar and decompression programs for the PC!!! Well I agree with binary ftp (that is, no uuencoding), and the compression. but skip the tar (it's a pain to get out of your clothes). ============================================================================= Steve Q. writes (in reply to Jacque): > Unfortunately the PC isn't the only personal computer around (wouldn't life > be so much easier if it was!!:-) consequently we have to allow for other > systems that don't support untar. Also, not everyone has direct ftp access > (me included :-( ) so uuencoding is necessary, but at which stage in the > process?? As mentioned, I agree with not using 'tar' or any other fancy archiving program. I certainly hope the uuencoding can be done by the mail servers. Any board members have some insight into this ? Are we proposing the use of a remote ftp mail server (which would ftp into our ftp site, grab the files, and mail them) or a ftp mail server running ON our ftp server ? I don't know of any remote ftp mail servers. I've run across a few mail servers on specific machines. For example, here's some info from 'alf.uib.no' which is a ex/vi archive site: EMAIL: This mailserver will send files to those with NO FTP-access at all. To get a file from the mailserver put the keyword GET in the subject line. Example: Subject: GET vi.passwd.Z All files will be run thru uuencode(1) before mailed, even textfiles. If you do not get a reply withing reasonable time, please do not send more request about the file(s). The mailserver is probaly down if this happends. If the server is down, it will be restarted withing 24 hours. ... > These questions and more need to be answer so we EPS users can set ourselves > up a well designed & well maintained database for all our EPS files. Agree. That's why we have this committee (board, or whatever)... ============================================================================= Well, sorry this is so long. I hope I didn't repeat myself too much. Looking forward to moving foward with our EPS ftp site stategy. Regards, Dave Ruska From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Mon Apr 20 09:15:03 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 15.255.152.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 09:13 PDT Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA11417; Mon, 20 Apr 92 09:13:39 -0700 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA00363; Mon, 20 Apr 92 10:13:33 -0600 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9204201613.AA00363@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: Hard Drives To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 92 10:13:32 MDT In-Reply-To: <9204161850.AA26865@tybalt.caltech.edu>; from "Jay William Bromley" at Apr 16, 92 11:50 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] > While 44Mb might not seem like a lot (and really, it isn't) I've found > that all the sounds I absolutely need and use fit nicely on one cartridge. > I keep a second cartridge for my raw samples, and soon will be getting a > third to use live. > > jaywb@tybalt.caltech.edu Is this drive rack mountable then? My biggest worry about going to a SCSI disk for my EPS would be how durable the thing would be for hauling around to live gigs. I guess you can get rack mountable, shock mounted hard drives, but you pay a premium. How durable are these? I've ruined a hard drive for a computer by simply moving it from one room to another... I wonder how long a hard drive would hold up to be carted around to practices and gigs. Anybody have any experience good or bad with using SCSI disks live? =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From sophia.inria.fr!floyd.imag.fr!chevalet Mon Apr 20 10:44:31 1992 Return-Path: <@sophia.inria.fr:chevalet@floyd.imag.fr> Received: from 138.96.32.20 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 10:43 PDT Received: from imag.imag.fr by sophia.inria.fr with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA29069; Mon, 20 Apr 1992 19:45:16 +0200 Received: from floyd.imag.fr by imag.imag.fr (5.54/5.17) id AA24494; Mon, 20 Apr 92 19:43:08 +0200 Received: by floyd.imag.fr (4.1/5.17) id AA09143; Mon, 20 Apr 92 19:43:46 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 92 19:43:46 +0200 From: chevalet@floyd.imag.fr (jean-Pierre Chevallet) Message-Id: <9204201743.AA09143@floyd.imag.fr> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Can't access denial.reed.edu I was reading previous mail, and found the denial.reed.edu site to download pd sounds. But I can't access : "denial.reed.edu: unknown host" , why ? Is it possible to send my contribution : i,ve done some original samples .. CHEVALLET Jean-Pierre chevalet@imag.imag.fr LGI IMAG Bureau B304 chevalet@imag.UUCP "Faire, et en faisant, se faire" From altosax.reed.edu!niski Mon Apr 20 10:53:13 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.28 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 10:52 PDT Received: by altosax.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 10:51 PDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 92 10:51 PDT From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: chevalet@floyd.imag.fr (jean-Pierre Chevallet) Subject: Re: Can't access denial.reed.edu cc: eps@reed.edu > I was reading previous mail, and found the > denial.reed.edu site to download pd sounds. But I can't > access : "denial.reed.edu: unknown host" , why ? Is it > possible to send my contribution : i,ve done some > original samples .. that's because the machine named denial has gone away. the ftp site is now running on a machine named altosax.reed.edu. HOWEVER, until we finalize a file/compression format (we're almost there!), please don't use the site for uploading. --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 Macintosh is the OS i love to hate, UNIX is the OS i hate to love. From intelhf!uunet!tellab5!tellab2!tomh Mon Apr 20 12:15:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: from local by romulus.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 12:14 PDT Received: by intelhf.hf.intel.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.24.1 #24.4); Mon, 20 Apr 92 12:10 PDT Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA29368; Mon, 20 Apr 92 11:04:22 -0400 Received: from tellab5.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 110259.23131; Mon, 20 Apr 1992 11:02:59 EDT Received: from tellab2.TELLABS.COM by tellab5.tellabs.com (4.1/smail2.5/10-21-91) id AA28359; Mon, 20 Apr 92 09:12:59 CDT Received: by tellab2.TELLABS.COM (5.61/4.7) id AA20780; Mon, 20 Apr 92 09:12:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 92 09:12:55 -0500 From: intelhf!uunet!tellab2.TELLABS.COM!tomh (Tom Huber) Message-Id: <9204201412.AA20780@tellab2.TELLABS.COM> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Looking for (old) EPS OS 2.49 Hello everyone, I'm looking for a copy of OS 2.49 for the original EPS. None of the Ensoniq dealers in the Chicago area seem to have a copy of it, so I was wondering if someone out there in netland would be willing to send me a copy. I'd be happy to send a blank disk or some samples in exchange. Thanks in advance, Tom =============================================================================== tomh@tellabs.com | | My opinions are, by definition, my own. Tom Huber | GO | Tellabs, Inc. | IRISH! | You can't fool all the people all the time, Lisle, IL | | but if you succeed once, it lasts four years. =============================================================================== From cco.caltech.edu!jaywb Mon Apr 20 13:06:47 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.215.48.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 13:06 PDT Received: from bartman.caltech.edu (bartman.cco.caltech.edu) by tybalt.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA22336; Mon, 20 Apr 92 13:06:33 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 92 13:06:33 PDT From: jaywb@cco.caltech.edu (Jay William Bromley) Message-Id: <9204202006.AA22336@tybalt.caltech.edu> To: kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com Subject: Re: Hard Drives Cc: eps@reed.edu Yes, my hard drive is a PS Systems rackmount drive. So far I've had the thing for two months and have been lugging it back and forth (in a rack) to rehearsals and the such with no problems. I think as long as the cartridge is removed while the drive is being moved then if you're at least halfway careful than it should be hard to damage the drive itself. As far as durability, I've never had a problem, and I do some dynamic playing (have to use a lot of my weight to get that aftertouch going). I've got my rack attached to an A-frame with my keyboard, so it has seemed to survive the bumpings so far. I've got mine mounted with regular hardware (screws and bushings) but for some reason, I've heard of some sort of shock absorbing type of hardware for rackmount stuff, so that would probably help as well. No experience live yet, hopefully this summer> Regards, jay jaywb@tybalt.caltech.edu From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Mon Apr 20 18:45:28 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 18:44 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA09153; Tue, 21 Apr 1992 09:44:07 +0800 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1992 09:44:07 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204210144.AA09153@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Dance Demo for FTP In celebration of the new FTP site I have placed a CC music demo in the /pub/incoming of altosax.reed.edu ftp site. When Joe get's hold of it it should migrate to /pub/gkh. There are 3 files the ccdem.txt is given below... CCDEM1 and CCDEM2: Are, a CC music factory demo sequence of GONNA MAKE YOU SWEAT. It was all sampled and done on an EPS 16 Plus. The samples came from the US and they were put into a sequence with other instruments by Mike Allen, here in Australia. You will need full memory expansion. Enjoy...Dance. From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Mon Apr 20 18:57:52 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 92 18:57 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA09223; Tue, 21 Apr 1992 09:56:40 +0800 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1992 09:56:40 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204210156.AA09223@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Woops :-) >>the ftp site is now running on a machine named altosax.reed.edu. >>HOWEVER, until we finalize a file/compression format (we're almost >>there!), please don't use the site for uploading. >> >>--- >>Joe Niski niski@reed.edu > >In celebration of the new FTP site I have placed a CC music demo in the >/pub/incoming of altosax.reed.edu ftp site. When Joe get's hold of it >it should migrate to /pub/gkh. There are 3 files the ccdem.txt is given >below. WOOPS :-) Sory about that Joe, I didn't see your mail until after I uploaded the CC stuff. It's in the format of a ZIP'd, GKH (1.0) file. To the rest of the group...If you have problems accessing (disk-image.gkh.zip) this format, then you will have to wait until we get the official format sorted. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DIALix.oz.au!steveq Tue Apr 21 05:49:55 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 92 05:49 PDT Received: from uniwa.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA03687; Tue, 21 Apr 1992 22:48:50 +1000 (from steveq@DIALix.oz.au) Received: by uniwa.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA04814; Tue, 21 Apr 1992 20:48:48 +0800 From: steveq@DIALix.oz.au (Steve Quartly) X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Disk Wizard Date: Tue, 21 Apr 92 19:45:52 WST Message-Id: <9204211945.aa00984@DIALix.oz.au> Hi to all Disk Wizard users! (Both of you!!:-( Just a note to let you know that version 2.0 is on it's way. Last night I just finished adding a CATALOGUE function. You can put in your EPS disks, It will display all the Inst & Effect files on the disk, and then allow you to enter a category eg: Brass, Piano, Ethnic; etc..... It does the entire disk and then promts for the next and so on until you're finished. All the while writing to disk the info. It is stored like this: FLUTE 1 : ED-001:FLUTE :308 That is, the inst name, the disk it is on, the category, the size in blocks. It can then be proted into your favourite database and sorted to your hearts content, even and a field for comments!!! It works a treat, all my disks are now catalogued and printed out for easy access!!! Any other ideas for version 2.0??? The de-fragmenter will come, but my brain hurts at the moment so Im giving it a rest. What do you think of version 1.0....? Any bugs??? Ive had no feedback yet. See ya, Steve Quartly Perth, Western Australia steveq@DIALix.oz.au From gear.sublink.org!forum!work Tue Apr 21 11:25:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.6.21.9 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 92 11:23 PDT Received: from modus.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA16350; Tue, 21 Apr 92 13:27:26 EDT Received: by modus.sublink.ORG (/\==/\ Smail3.1.20.1 #20.7) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 92 19:17 MET Received: by otello.sublink.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.3 / deliver 2.0.11) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 92 19:10 GMT Received: by gear.sublink.ORG (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1 / Deliver 2.0.12) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 92 19:09 MEST From: work@forum.sublink.org (Andrea Gozzi) X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: re: hard drives Date: Tue, 21 Apr 92 16:15:52 met Message-Id: <9204211615.aa01037@forum.sublink.org> I've got a 40MB SCSI drive. I have a trouble in finding the connections from the 50 (25+25) pin connector on the drive to the mac-like connector of the EPS16+. Does anyone have a good schematic? Andrea From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Tue Apr 21 19:58:44 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 92 19:58 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA11182; Wed, 22 Apr 1992 10:57:27 +0800 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1992 10:57:27 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204220257.AA11182@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: CC Demo and Sequence formats Ivan, I lost your address (I thought the whole group may like to see this anyway). The CC music factory demo I placed on altosax.reed.edu is run by a EPS 16 Plus sequence. Thus if you have an EPS "Classic" then you won't be able to run the sequence. As for utilities to convert this to a EPS Classic sequence format you may be out of luck...Gary Geibler's EPSSMF program will do it (by converting EPS16 to Standard Midi File then back to EPS CLassic format). The other thing is that if someone has an EPS and a EPS16Plus they could record it via midi. Anyway the sounds alone sould provide you with some entertainment, you get 1500 blocks of CC music factory samples/loops and 2 drum kits (60's kit and ANNA kit and a bass sound). Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Tue Apr 21 20:08:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 92 20:08 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA11208; Wed, 22 Apr 1992 11:07:25 +0800 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1992 11:07:25 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204220307.AA11208@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: software If you are working on EPS disk-utility software (especialy the EDM disk/file image compatable stuff) could you drop me a line letting me know how it's development is going. I'm just looking for data re the discussions that the board are having over formats. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cps.msu.edu!boland Wed Apr 22 07:11:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 35.8.56.86 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 22 Apr 92 07:10 PDT Received: from indian.cps.msu.edu by atlantic.cps.msu.edu (4.1/rpj-5.0); id AA10158; Wed, 22 Apr 92 10:10:11 EDT Received: by indian.cps.msu.edu (4.1/4.1) id AA00985; Wed, 22 Apr 92 10:10:11 EDT Date: Wed, 22 Apr 92 10:10:11 EDT From: boland@cps.msu.edu Message-Id: <9204221410.AA00985@indian.cps.msu.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: New User - *Please Add* I found out about your list from the nm-list. Could someone please add: boland@cps.msu.edu If you could also send some information about your mailing list, that would also help alot. Possibly an archive location of postings so I can catch up on the flow of the group? Thanks! From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Wed Apr 22 18:22:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 22 Apr 92 18:22 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA12663; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 09:21:17 +0800 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1992 09:21:17 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204230121.AA12663@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Hi EPS-ers Paul Martz has kindly supplied me with a map of the USA...This may come in handy explaining your location to people OS. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --// --------------V- --/ / / \/ /- | o / | * <-- Salt Lake City \ / \ ___ | \ / --\ \ -\ / -\ \ -\_/ \/ -paul pmartz@dsd.es.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Scott. From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Wed Apr 22 19:22:31 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 22 Apr 92 19:22 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA12820; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 10:21:08 +0800 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1992 10:21:08 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204230221.AA12820@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: REVIEWS (NEW SL 5) Pianos 2. For those of you who don't make it into a Ensoniq dealership very often I thought I'd post the list of "New" sounds that Ensoniq have released for the EPS 16 Plus, these follow the 15 disks that come with the machine. Any additions, and corrections to these reviews, please feel free to let me know. I have sent this many times before, as I review things I have been tacking the library in. SL-5 is the new-ie for all you who want to cut to the new-review. The review contains the following... SL-1 HI-FI Kits SL-2 Basses, Electric and Synth (Moog). SL-3 Vocals, Rock and Choir. SL-4 Pianos 1. *** SL-5 Pianos 2. *** SL-6 Brass (Trumpet and Trombone). SL-7 Dance, Drum Loops (and techno drum kits and Bass). SL-8 Stringed Quartet. SL-1 "Hi-Fi Kits" (5 disks of 44.6 kHz sampled drum sounds, one disk has just crash, h-hat etc noises on it, makes for some looong decays on the crash, you will need 4X EPS, 2X 16 Plus memory to load up a full kit + brass clangy bits [cymbals]. There are 3 disks of Main Kits, 1300+ blocks each and one disk with 3 "small" kits around 400 blocks each and the above mentioned brass-clangy things disk. I won't go into too much detail because the sound/style of all the kits is in the vein of the "rock-drums" kit that comes with the EPS16 Plus, really. If you are after more 808/electronic sounds this set is not for you. You may want to try SL-7 for that (see below). SL-2 "Basses, electric and Synth" (5 disks, 3 are electric basses i.e fender etc, 1300 block monsters that take up a disk each, there is a short version of each on the disk too 200-400 blocks. Personally I can't justify using 1300 blocks "just" on a electric bass sound, even more so when the "short" versions sound just as good in a mix, the short versions are simply looped closer to the attack. If you want to do solo electric bass licks then these are the sounds for you. 2 disks are Moog basses must-have sounds similar to the moog bass on the disks that come with the EPS 16 Plus. There are about 12-14 different sounds. ranging from 100-800 blocks. Most are around 120-300 blocks. I think the library is worth it for the two disks of moog sounds alone, they're great! SL-3 "Vocals, Rock" (5 disks, EPS needs 4X expander 16+ needs 2X, to load one of the sounds) Huge Ahhhs: Huge is right 3339 Blocks so I think it deserves a "huge" slice of the SL-3 review. 3000+ blocks are usually reserved for famous LA studio Piano samples :-) Well this sound has about 8 multisamples in it and they are sampled at 48 kHz (Onto a "real" digital studio recorder). Well it sounds like males were used for the source and is quite smooth as it's real hard to hear any loops even at the extreem high register (the sound is spread over 3 disks BTW the third has 168 or so block on it) it reminded me of a Fairlight Ahhhhhhhh sound I once heard. In the lower registers it is Deep bright and full, in the higher registers clean, airy and smooth. Given the size of this sound I was a little dissapointed with it when I first loaded it up and played a few random notes. I was expecting something "amaaazing" for this number of blocks. However when I played the demo I really started to appreceate the quality of the samples used and the effectivesess of the sound. The patch selects give you octaved, dark (filtered), chorused versions of the original. Not much change from 4080 blocks tho, you are left with 741 :-( Can/will you use it? Got a 16 track and/or 8X memory expansion? Roc Vox 1: 1525 Block UUH and AAH with an Aaaaaaahhh-ish quality, Roc Vox 2: 1571 Block AAY and OOH with an Aaaaaaahhh-ish quality, The demo uses both Roc VOX 1 & 2, given there are 8 patches between them and 4 vowel sounds there is a lot of scope for vocal variation. The demo sounds quite good. Me personally playing around with the sounds, did not think they were as impressive as the Mirage Ahhhh, Tahhh Doooo sounds. Well the quality was better, the sound was "bigger" but, well I suppose I am after something else .... Mabe a Farilight III library :-) Finaly there is Sirens (Greek mythology type not police :-) Monks and Choir-Vox. All these are actually a private school choir from PA somewhere close to Ensoniq HQ. The Sirens is the 20 femails, Monks 20 Males and Choir-Vox is them all singing together. Once again this sounds similar to the Choir that comes with the EPS 16 Plus, I have never been overly impressed with Ensoniq chiors and these are no exception. All I can say is they're "nice" :-). So thats 4.9 disks, on the other 0.1 of the 5th disk is two (a bit cheasy in my opinion) vox-wave type sounds where they have looped an Ohhh Taaa close to the attack, both in the order of 40 blocks, you get the idea. I won't go out of my way to sell you these sounds, I am real fussy when it comes to Vocal samples, especially of Ahhhhsss and Ohhhhhh and OOOOooooohhhh's. I want...Enya on 16 Plus format that's what I am after :-) Why did "I" get these sounds? well I-Just-gotta-have-every- sound-that-has-ever-been-made!!!!! SL-4 "Pianos 1" (5 disks of "great" piano sounds, better IMHO than the two that came with the 16 Plus. Steinway 2 3010 blocks, small version 735 blocks. One thing I can say about piano samples is that I can't tell what you will think of them. Both pianos are in the same vein as the steinway and the bosendorfer that come with the 16 Plus. I can say that the Steinway 2 samples are at a higher sample rate and longer loop points. Steinway 2 sounds to me smooth, sweet and very nice :-) better than Steinway 1 (16 Plus original). Bosendorfr 2 2806 Blocks sml bose 2 777 blocks. This Bosendorfer is not quite as "bright" as the Bosendorfer that comes with the EPS16 Plus. It's a much more smooth and musical sound, to my ears. The other thing I should say is that the manual that comes with this sound set is worth a read for it's own sake. The session was at "Mad hatter studios" and there are some great pics of a Steinway and a Bosendorfer with about every mic known to man pointing at them and guys trying to get in amongst the mess to actually get at the piano :-) There is some interesting text too ...and that fills 5 disks :-) SL-5 "Pianos 2" (5 disks of Yamaha and Kawai piano samples). These pianos appear to be sampled with recording in a mix (rather than solo) in mind. Why do I say that? Well the box says so :-) The First sound is KAWAI 1 which is a 3073 block multi sample of a Kawai located at "The Gallery Records" a studio belonging to Jazz producer and pianist Todd Cochran. This sound is a bit more clunky than the previous piano sounds and has a smooth mellow sustain to it. Good for ballads and softer arrangements. YAMAHA 1 is a 2995 block sample of a Yamaha C-7 (7 foot concert grand). This sample is brighter than the Kawai (not as bright as Bosendorfer 1 that comes with the EPS 16 Plus). The lows are quite deep and resonant and the highs, clean, bright and a bit thin (helps it to cut through a mix). That takes up the best part of 4 disks, whats on 5? Well ... SML KAW 1 (748 blocks) and SML YAM 1 (822). These are cut down versions of the major pianos. Both sound basically the same as the larger versions they come from, mainly because the only difference is the size and distance of the loops from the attack. In a mix, where these pianos are probably best, I think you'd be better off using the small versions (because you won't hear the difference) and saving your memory for that 1500 block bass sample :-) These two (SML KAW & YAM) stack quite nicely. By this stage I now have 2 Large Steinways, 2 large Bosendorfers and 1 Kawai and 1 Yamaha piano. I think I may be starting to suffer friom piano-sample overload. Have I found "the" perfect piano sample yet? No. Perhaps a 4080 block version may be just around the corner... Oh yes, BTW for all you EPS "Classic" users it appears that many of the above piano samples (SL-4 & 5) use the CHORUS FX to get that "triple wire" sound of the piano. Never fear because with the FX off they sound just fine. If you are fussy you can always create your own chorusing by copying layers and detuning a bit. Eats up polyphony tho. SL-6 "Brass" (5 disks of trumpet and trombone sounds. What can I say... They sound "fine". I played trombone for 9 years (given it up in favour of samplers) and I am happy with the brass on this disk. I recon that brass has always been one of the easiest sounds to sample. There are trumpets, 1300 blocks, trombones, muted trumpets and trombones some "great" BLAT'y Bass Trombone samples. These sounds will be useful for anyone who wants trumpet and trombone sounds. If I can find anything wrong with them they tent to sound a little "reedy" a bit of EQ can fix that however. Great sounds? No, I don't think so...good clean, quiet and honest samples I'd call them. SL-7 "Drum-loops" (5 disks of more than just drum loops...I think this is the cooolest sounds that I have yet heard comming from my EPS in a while. Cool because they are current, dance type sounds). It's all in the hip-hop, house, acid, rap style, loops are designed to be easily sync'd to any bpm. The manual shows you how to do it several ways, and the sounds have patches designed to help with this process. There are about 13 different loops there with their accompanying kits so you can make your own loops up. These are a must for acid/house hip-hop etc fans, the kits have been extracted from the loops so that you can make up your own loops, or spruce-up what's there. There are two other kits which are sampled from various drum machines, both around 900 blocks and they sound like a collection of 808, 909, 707 and "Kraftwerk" sounds. There are some cool bass, goobs, FX and "hits" there too. The manual is an must if you are trying to introduce someone to the jargon/meanings of the rap/house/acid/funk etc etc terms. They were made by some "famous-person" I foget now. One of the demo sequences is worthy of a top-40 position in this particular style. I was dancing around my bedroom-studio all last night...wayy to coolll. SL-8 "Stringed Quartet" (6 disks, a bonus disk apparently of Violin, viola and cello make up this set). The set consists mainly of Vibrato and Arco (straight) versions of the Violin viola and cello. Thrown in for good measure are a set of Pizzicato strings (an 998 block instrument covering cello/viola/violin) and an instrument called "Chamber" (Arco - Violin, viola and cello trimmed and spread across the keyboard [901 blocks]). Well, if you are after some very "classical" - sounding samples of the above instruments this is the set for you. These string sounds appear (as their name suggests) to be designed for solo/quartet work, no lush orchestral string stacks like Full Strings that comes with the EPS-16 Plus (ED-13). The demo sequence shows that this set can make some impressively realistic "Stringed Quartet" sounds. One thing that did dissapoint me a bit was that there was no aggressive "bow-scrape" noise. I think they should have miked the bow and put it on a patch in another layer, but alas no. Hence you won't get these instruments to really "Grunt" if you want them to. Being a self appointed cello connoisseur I must say I'm not jumping up and down with excitement about these sounds. However, like the Brass (SL-6) these are honest, quiet, clean samples. But, don't sack the session string players just yet. Well that's all I have at the mo, I'll let you know what I think of... SL-5: Pianos 2 SL-9: Flutes SL-10: Violin Section SL-11: Viola Section SL-12: Cello Section SL-13: Bass Section SL-14: Solo Instruments SL-15: Guitars SL-16: Synths. When I get them. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH:(09) 380 3574. _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ualr.edu!jabussey Wed Apr 22 21:55:11 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 22 Apr 92 21:55 PDT Received: from alpha.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Wed, 22 Apr 1992 23:54 CDT Received: by UALR.EDU (MX V3.1) id 12472; Wed, 22 Apr 1992 23:54:24 EDT Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1992 23:54:15 EDT From: Hard On The Beaver Sender: jabussey@ualr.edu To: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au Cc: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <00959820.6C6F59E0.12472@UALR.EDU> From: IN%"scott@psy.uwa.oz.au" 22-APR-1992 20:38:31.73 To: eps@reed.edu CC: /Subj: Return-path: Received: from reed.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Wed, 22 Apr 1992 20:38 CDT Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 22 Apr 92 18:22 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA12663; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 09:21:17 +0800 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1992 09:21:17 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <9204230121.AA12663@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> Hi EPS-ers Paul Martz has kindly supplied me with a map of the USA...This may come in handy explaining your location to people OS. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --// --------------V- --/ / / \/ /- | / | | \ * Little Rock, AR. \ ___ | \ / --\ \ -\ / -\ \ -\_/ \/ -Jacque jabussey@ualr.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Scott. From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Wed Apr 22 22:24:48 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Wed, 22 Apr 92 22:24 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA13144; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 13:23:38 +0800 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1992 13:23:38 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204230523.AA13144@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: DATA WANTED Hi EPS-ers, I am compiling a list of who has what facilities up and running. Could you either correct your entry in this list, or add yourself and send it back to me. If you are adding your own name to the list or correcting something can you also delete everyone elses names so I can find the correction/addition quickly. Thanks in advance Scott Fisher. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | e-mail address | Utilities | Name ----------------------------------------------------------------------- adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil PD ??? Adamson aieta@drum.ils.nwa.edu PD Michael Aieta arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov PD ??? ??? bobs@greatlakes.central.sun.com PD Bob ??? brian@grebyn.com PD Brian ??? bsanders@mars.ncsa.uiuc.edu PD Barry Sanders bqt@bern.docs.uu.se PD John Billquist dougt@netcom.com PD Doug ??? ejm@noc.vitalink.com PD Eric ??? eroth@yuma.acns.colostate.edu PD Ed Roth greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu PD ??? Greene jabussey@ular. PD Ja? Bussey jerry@harpo.qcktrn.com PD Jerry Bauer jsjea2@alaska.bitnet PD ??? ??? kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com PD Kelly Larson kinghwa@itivax.bitnet PD (Author) Goh King Hwa leigh@psychok.dialix.oz.au PD Leigh ??? macenski@whitefish.rtsg.mot.com PD ??? Macenski paul@basser.cs.su.oz.au PD Paul ??? pdel@ads.com PD/EDM Peter Del? peters@mips2.ma30.bull PD/EDM Dan Peters rick.wagoner@ebay.sun.com PD Rick Wagoner rjfennem@descartes.waterloo.edu PD ??? ??? samd@cirrus.com (100k) PD Sam D?? scott@wapsy.uwa.oz.au PD/EDM Scott Fisher s057@sand.sics.bu.oz.au PD/EDM Steve Gregory ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PD = Goh King Hwa's epsread/epswrite PD utility. EDM = Gary Gieblers Ensoniq Diskette Manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From noc.vitalink.com!ejm Thu Apr 23 08:01:52 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.240.18.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 08:01 PDT Received: from yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM by mescal.NOC.Vitalink.COM with SMTP id AA09426 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Apr 1992 07:56:03 -0700 Received: from localhost by yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM (5.65+V1.2/V1.3) id AA01665; Thu, 23 Apr 92 08:00:40 -0700 Message-Id: <9204231500.AA01665@yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM> To: steveq@dialix.oz.au (Steve Quartly) Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: .LZH, .ARC, .Z In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 92 20:38:53 +0700." <9204182038.aa03789@DIALix.oz.au> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 08:00:39 -0700 From: ejm@noc.vitalink.com > >Can anybody out there NOT use any of these formats: >.LZH >.ARC >.Z It would be very useful to keep copies of executables (for IBM, Mac, and Atari, I'm guessing) for all these archivers as well as sources for the Unix version on the ftp machine. You might even want to keep the "popular" unix binaries around (Sun4, 386 Unix, etc). ... Erik From noc.vitalink.com!ejm Thu Apr 23 08:04:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.240.18.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 08:04 PDT Received: from yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM by mescal.NOC.Vitalink.COM with SMTP id AA09437 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Apr 1992 07:59:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM (5.65+V1.2/V1.3) id AA01675; Thu, 23 Apr 92 08:04:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9204231504.AA01675@yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM> To: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Greene) Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 19 Apr 92 10:33:32 EST." <9204191533.AA21533@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 08:04:24 -0700 From: ejm@noc.vitalink.com > >I think that's great! I was talking to someone about the AIFF format >for storing samples of different types. Could this be a possibility? >The format for AIFF was in the mailing list before. IMHO, AIFF isn't a real solution until it can handle effects settings, etc for a sample. Us EPS-ers would really loose out if we generalize the sample format to the least-common-denom. of all the samplers out there. Since this is an EPS-driven list and ftp-site, let's stick to keeping as much paramater information in the sample dump format as possible. ... Erik From sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com!zimmers Thu Apr 23 08:23:02 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 153.113.2.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 08:22 PDT Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com ([153.113.67.50]) by dsd.northrop.com (4.1/Gatemaster-4.1) id AA06153; Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:27:08 CDT Received: from sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com (4.1/SMI-4.0a) id AA23591; Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:22:45 CDT Received: from sage.dssunu1 by sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15579; Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:14:33 CDT Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:14:33 CDT From: zimmers@sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com (Mr. Luxury Yacht) Message-Id: <9204231514.AA15579@sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: performance preset question Morning. Anyone know how to delete performance presets, other than shutting off the EPS? If I load a bank with performance presets defined for keys 1-4, then totally reconfigure memory and only define presets for keys 1-3, I still have the old #4 lying around. I want to save my bank with #4 gone. Any tips will be appreciated. steve zimmers zimmers@sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com From kong.gsfc.nasa.gov!arensb Thu Apr 23 08:39:52 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.183.115.33 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 08:39 PDT Received: from kong.gsfc.nasa.gov by lego.gsfc.nasa.gov (5.61/1.35) id AA08602; Thu, 23 Apr 92 11:39:31 -0400 Received: by kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02699; Thu, 23 Apr 92 11:39:31 EDT Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 11:39:31 EDT From: arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Andrew Arensburger - RMS) Message-Id: <9204231539.AA02699@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples > From ejm@noc.vitalink.com Thu Apr 23 11:16:49 1992 > IMHO, AIFF isn't a real solution until it can handle effects settings, etc for a sample. Us EPS-ers > would really loose out if we generalize the sample format to the least-common-denom. of all the > samplers out there. > > Since this is an EPS-driven list and ftp-site, let's stick to keeping as much paramater information > in the sample dump format as possible. Glancing through the AIFF spec that was posted here a while back, I find the following chunk types that may be included in an AIFF file: INST - instrument chunk. A generic sample parameter chunk that specifies looping points, high/low note, min/max volume, and not much more. MIDI - MIDI chunk. Just a stream of MIDI data. This is intended to contain SysEx information, but anything can be included. There can be any number of MIDI chunks in a FORM. APPL - Application-specific chunk. Contains anything you like. This is the place to store things like palettes, last cursor position, cut buffers, and all the usual cruft. There can be any number of these in a FORM. COMT - Comment chunk. No more than one per FORM (although it can contain any number of comments). Other text chunks, e.g., Author, Composer, etc. It seems to me that it is quite possible to have an AIFF file store - The wavesamples (the raw bits). - MIDI chunks for sampler-specific stuff like effects. The header of a MIDI SysEx message contains a manufacturer ID, so one can simply check for the Ensoniq ID. Other samplers should have their own MIDI chunks, to keep things simple. - APPL chunks for all of the other stuff. According to the AIFF spec, Apple acts as a clearinghouse for new application IDs. Furthermore, I see no reason why an AIFF FORM has to be a file by itself: it should be possible to include it inside another IFF file (for example, the soundtrack to an animation). This would be cool. -- Andrew Arensburger | "Anyway, it never gets cold on Earth. Cold arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | enough to freeze water, yes, but not carbon ...!uunet!dftsrv!kong!arensb | dioxide." -- "Fallen Angels" From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Thu Apr 23 09:06:19 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 15.255.152.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 09:05 PDT Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA26498; Thu, 23 Apr 92 09:05:53 -0700 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA25425; Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:05:48 -0600 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9204231605.AA25425@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:05:47 MDT In-Reply-To: <9204231539.AA02699@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>; from "Andrew Arensburger - RMS" at Apr 23, 92 11:39 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] Well, this might sound a little selfish... but who really *cares* if some guy with a Roland sampler can read the samples out of our EPS data base? I'd hate to be forced to buy some expensive software that will convert AIFF samples into EPS samples, just so we provide a service outside the EPS community. I would think it's the Roland, Yahama, or whatever, users responsibility to convert to his format if he really wants to grab samples from the EPS database. 3 out of 4 samplers sold are EPS's anyway (at least according to the Ensoniq sales rep.) I don't think storing samples in both formats is the answer either, I'd rather have twice as many different samples in an easily readable EPS format. Disk space is usually too valuable to be doubling our storage requirements with redundant formats. Just my opinion... =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From altosax.reed.edu!niski Thu Apr 23 10:23:49 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.28 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:22 PDT Received: by altosax.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:21 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 10:21 PDT From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: Kelly Larson Subject: Re: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples cc: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) > From: Kelly Larson > Well, this > might sound a little selfish... but who really *cares* if > some guy with a Roland sampler can read the samples out of > our EPS data base? i'm with Kelly - i have neither the time, inclination, nor disk to support more than one file format, especially if it's going to be used on a piece of gear i don't own. --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 Macintosh is the OS i love to hate, UNIX is the OS i hate to love. From rigel.cs.pdx.edu!tauren Thu Apr 23 12:24:54 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.252.20.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:23 PDT Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu by pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-gateway-evision: 1.24 id AA16224; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:23:41 PDT Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-client-evision: 1.17 id AA08790; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:23:44 PDT Message-Id: <9204231923.AA08790@rigel.cs.pdx.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:23:44 PDT From: tauren@rigel.cs.pdx.edu Thanks for the map!!! > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --// > --------------V- --/ / > / \/ /- > |* Portland, OR / Home of Portland State University (me) > | | Reed College (Joe) > \ / Others.... > \ ___ | > \ / --\ \ > -\ / -\ \ > -\_/ \/ > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tauren From rigel.cs.pdx.edu!tauren Thu Apr 23 12:27:45 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.252.20.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:26 PDT Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu by pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-gateway-evision: 1.24 id AA16263; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:26:04 PDT Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-client-evision: 1.17 id AA08933; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:26:04 PDT Message-Id: <9204231926.AA08933@rigel.cs.pdx.edu> To: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Cc: eps@reed.edu, tauren@rigel.cs.pdx.edu Subject: Re: DATA WANTED In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 23 Apr 92 13:23:38 +0800. <9204230523.AA13144@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:26:04 PDT From: tauren@rigel.cs.pdx.edu Hi Scott, In message <9204230523.AA13144@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> you write: >Hi EPS-ers, I am compiling a list of who has what facilities up and >running. Could you either correct your entry in this list, or >add yourself and send it back to me. If you are adding your own >name to the list or correcting something can you also delete everyone >elses names so I can find the correction/addition quickly. > >Thanks in advance >Scott Fisher. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >| e-mail address | Utilities | Name >----------------------------------------------------------------------- tauren@rigel.cs.pdx.edu PD Tauren Mills >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >PD = Goh King Hwa's epsread/epswrite PD utility. >EDM = Gary Gieblers Ensoniq Diskette Manager >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). > _--_|\ N >Department of Psychology / \ W + E >University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S >Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v > > *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rigel.cs.pdx.edu!tauren Thu Apr 23 12:36:58 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.252.20.103 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:35 PDT Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu by pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-gateway-evision: 1.24 id AA16433; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:35:45 PDT Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-client-evision: 1.17 id AA09338; Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:35:45 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 12:35:45 PDT From: tauren@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Tauren N Mills) Message-Id: <9204231935.AA09338@rigel.cs.pdx.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: OOps! Sorry Sorry for that last message. I meant it to go to Scott only. From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Thu Apr 23 20:37:54 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 20:36 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA14756; Fri, 24 Apr 1992 11:35:48 +0800 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1992 11:35:48 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204240335.AA14756@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Read this it will save you EPS DEATH :-) Hi EPS-ers I think it's about time I went on another YOU MUST SUBSCRIBE TO TH campaign :-) Here it is... ************************* Transoniq Hacker ***************************** Transoniq Hacker (TH) is an independent users support magazine for Ensoniq products. It provides... * Reviews of samples and patches * Software Reviews * New products news * Free Patches (for Ensoniq Synths) * Phone network for free help * Programming tips * How-to articles * Questions and answers (The interface) * Free Classified adds * Interviews * ...and 3rd party company support i.e... Software, Memory Expanders, SCSI Drives etc. In the forum "The Interface" where letters get answered, not only by TH staff but "real" people at Ensoniq, who offer their services for this section. I have subscribed for 4 years now and all I can say is that you SHOULD subscribe, nothing else comes close to TH for supporting us EPS and Ensoniq users in general. TH provide a money back guarantee that if you do not think your subscription has paid for its self in 3 issues (1 a month) then you can claim back your subscription. Alternatively they offer a 3 month "skeptics" subscription offer. There is no-way (practically) that you will get your fingers burnt with them, if you don't like TH you get ALL your money back. First time subscribers get a special deal, 12 monthly issues for $18 US ($25 All others outside the USA) This is $5 off the subscription price. Special "skeptics" deal is 3 issues (3 months) for $5 US ($7 Non US). After the first year you revert to... $23/year (US$30, non-US). HOW TO SUBSCRIBE? Three methods... 1) Mail your cheque (payable to "Transoniq Hacker") OR your (Mastercard/Visa) number and expiry date with details of address, city, state, zip or post-code to... Transoniq Hacker 1402 SW Upland Drive, Portland, OR 97221. Phobe: 503/227-6848 (8 a.m. to 9 p.m. PST). 2) Phone their TOLL-FREE 1-800-548-8925 (US only) and give your Mastercard/Visa number and expiry date with details of address, city, state, zip or post-code to the answering machine (24 Hour service). 3) Alternatively and this is a real PLUS!! you can contact Eric (the publisher and owner of TH) via Compuserve on... 73260.3353@compuserve.com You can give your (Mastercard/Visa) details to him over the net, with details of address, city, state, zip or post-code. Why not drop him a line and have a chat about TH (say Scott sent you, Eric will go ... Eh? What? Who is that? :-) The other good thing about having email contact with TH is that you can send in letters/articles easily and quickly and have a chat to Eric at the same time. ************************************************************************ DISCLAIMER: I have nothing to gain by supporting the above groups, I am simply a satisfied customer, trying to help fellow EPS users. I live in Australia so you don't frighten me if you get upset anyway :-) You don't have a air-ticket do you? _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ualr.edu!jabussey Thu Apr 23 20:59:50 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 20:59 PDT Received: from delta.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 22:59 CDT Received: by UALR.EDU (MX V3.1) id 12617; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 22:59:02 EDT Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1992 22:58:42 EDT From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: RE: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples Sender: jabussey@ualr.edu To: niski@reed.edu Cc: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <009598E1.D485F4A0.12617@UALR.EDU> Before we get a FLAME war going, let me explain what I meant. Kelly and Joe don't have the right idea. What I meant was that Im writing a programn to convert EPS disks to Other sampler formats so that when I go to the studio I won't have to bring my SAMPLER (EPS). Thats it... I wasnt purposing another sample format. Jacque From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Fri Apr 24 00:52:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 00:52 PDT Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA15403; Fri, 24 Apr 1992 15:51:08 +0800 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1992 15:51:08 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9204240751.AA15403@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Strange things I posted this a few months ago and never got any responses...time to think about something else besides FTP and disk images. Strange observation time... Symptom/Observations: High frequencies (most likely aliasing and or "look-up table" noise) cut out sequentially with each time around the loop. This goes on for 3-5 loops then cuts back to full-hiss/noise and the phenomenon repeats. This sounds just like turning the treble down a notch each time around the loop for 3-5 loops then turning it up again and starting over. If you fiddle with the loop-START or END parameters (positions) you can change the number of loops it takes to reach maximum "dullness" and go to "bright" again. With regard to the key to play back the sample you will find in 20 voice mode that a 7th down from the root key is the noisiest in terms of aliasing/table-look-up/quantizing noise. Conditions: The above appears to only occur on the key a 7th below the root or "unity-playback". AND only in 20 voice mode. I have double checked and the filters are both LP at 150. All filter modulators are off and the envelope is "FULL ON". The fact that you can change the voice mode or the playback key (from -7th) and the phenomenon does not occur precludes the filters anyway. It is easiest to hear this if you sample a sound with lots of high frequencies (try: sampling a tape recording with the noise reduction OFF so there is plenty of hiss mixed with the sound). Summary: Phenomenon occurs when... (Loop Forward ON) + (20 Voice mode) + (Playback key of -7th from root). Use headphones and turn up the treble on the Amp (if you are using one) to accentuate the phenomenon. My Theory: For those of you who don't know the EPS family transpose pitch by adding and deleting samples rather than mucking around with the clock playback rate. The EPS uses something called a "look-up" table do decide which samples to throw away or add to, this process introduces its own distortions (high frequency grunge). I suspect that the above conditions do something to the way the look-up table is being used and this alters the amount of "look-up table" noise in the sample, just like it is stepping through a series of alternative tables??? thus the high frequency noise changes slowly each time the look-up table is used. Any ideas??????? Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ualr.edu!jabussey Fri Apr 24 05:42:07 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 05:41 PDT Received: from beta.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Fri, 24 Apr 1992 07:41 CDT Received: by UALR.EDU (MX V3.1) id 12621; Fri, 24 Apr 1992 07:41:25 EDT Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1992 07:41:15 EDT From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: RE: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples Sender: jabussey@ualr.edu To: jabussey@ualr.edu Cc: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <0095992A.D4673EE0.12621@UALR.EDU> >Before we get a FLAME war going, let me explain what I meant. Kelly and Joe >don't have the right idea. What I meant was that Im writing a programn to >convert EPS disks to Other sampler formats so that when I go to the studio >I won't have to bring my SAMPLER (EPS). Thats it... I wasnt purposing another >sample format. Please excuse the MANY errors in the above post. I was on a new terminal that doesn't do automatic spell checking ;-) (thats a joke). Thanks, Jacque From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Fri Apr 24 07:29:30 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.60.2.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 07:29 PDT Received: by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01353; Fri, 24 Apr 92 10:28:25 EDT From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Message-Id: <9204241428.AA01353@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: Re: Strange Things To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 24 Apr 92 10:28:23 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] >> For those of you who don't know the EPS family transpose pitch >> by adding and deleting samples rather than mucking around with the >> clock playback rate. Scott's theory makes sense.. If you add samples (when playing a note lower in pitch than the original sample) you will end up with step-like transitions in the sample waveform. To illustrate: - - --- --- - - - - --> --- --- --- --- - - - --- --- --- These 'steps' start to look like square waves in the time domain and therefore spectrally start to contain high harmonics (digital distortion in its prime). So, if your lookup table does something like this (without some form of interpolation) and you don't lower the cutoff frequency of your anti-aliasing filter... you get the enjoyment of hearing those harmonics. -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil From xerox.com!Craig_S._Aubert.LAX1B Fri Apr 24 08:32:02 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 13.1.64.93 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 08:31 PDT Received: from LAX1B_Mail_Service_6.LAX1B.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <11726>; Fri, 24 Apr 1992 08:31:30 PDT X-NS-Transport-ID: 0000AA00A79718E12DB1 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1992 08:31:15 PDT Sender: Craig_S._Aubert.LAX1B@xerox.com From: CAubert.LAX1B@xerox.com Subject: Remove from DL To: eps@reed.edu cc: CAubert.LAX1B@xerox.com Message-ID: <"24-Apr-92 8:31:15 PDT".*.Craig_S._Aubert.LAX1B@Xerox.com> Please remove me from the distribution list. Thank You Craig Aubert From ecn.purdue.edu!davisonj Fri Apr 24 08:40:10 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.46.129.59 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 08:40 PDT Received: by en.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.30jrs) id AA03285; Fri, 24 Apr 92 10:39:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 92 10:39:45 -0500 From: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) Message-Id: <9204241539.AA03285@en.ecn.purdue.edu> To: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Strange Things >>> For those of you who don't know the EPS family transpose pitch >>> by adding and deleting samples rather than mucking around with the >>> clock playback rate. > Scott's theory makes sense.. If you add samples (when playing a note >lower in pitch than the original sample) you will end up with step-like >transitions in the sample waveform. To illustrate: I believe that the advertisement sheets for the EPS (dunno about the 16) indicate that second-order (presumably polynomial, i.e. parabolic) interpolation is used. davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu From altosax.reed.edu!niski Fri Apr 24 09:19:59 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.28 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 09:19 PDT Received: by altosax.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 09:19 PDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 92 09:19 PDT From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: Hard On The Beaver Subject: Re: EPS Samples to Roland or EMU samples cc: eps@reed.edu > Before we get a FLAME war going, let me explain what I > meant. Kelly and Joe don't have the right idea. What I > meant was that Im writing a programn to convert EPS disks > to Other sampler formats so that when I go to the studio I > won't have to bring my SAMPLER (EPS). Thats it... I wasnt > purposing another sample format. oops - sorry i misinterpreted. Yes, i don't mind making utils. available that will convert the disk-images we're housing to another format. i simply don't want to store our sample-disk images in more than one format. reading more carefully, Joe From cco.caltech.edu!jaywb Fri Apr 24 13:10:24 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.215.139.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 13:10 PDT Received: by tybalt.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA09998; Fri, 24 Apr 92 13:10:12 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Apr 92 13:10:12 PDT From: jaywb@cco.caltech.edu (Jay William Bromley) Message-Id: <9204242010.AA09998@tybalt.caltech.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: making noise, really... Hi, Something I've wanted to be able to do for a long time is to take streams of digital numbers from any source and hear what they sound like if I take the numbers to simply be sample values at some given rate. I.e. I could take an .exe file, somehow turn it into an EPS file and then actually listen to it. It seems some interesting stuff can be generated this way. (I've got access to a lot of data tapes from a solar intereferometer that I'd love to hear.) Now for the actuall doing of it. My idea was that I'd write a program that simply inputted a file in a few formats and then wrote an EPS instrument on a disk. So here's the question, I guess, does anyone have a copy of the source of GHK's epswrite utility? This would save me the trouble of writing the low level code to write the EPS disk and such, and so would be very helpful, allowing me to concentrate on making noise. I toyed with the idea of using sysex codes to send the 'samples' to my EPS, but given the incredible lack of accuracy in Ensoniq's sysex spec sheet, I figured it wouldn't be worth the hours finding out how the EPS really does work when I probably have access to something that'll write an EPS disk and be done with it. Thanks, jay who's just become fascinated with doing sound collages and 'sonic sculptures' jaywb@tybalt.caltech.edu From yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!eroth Fri Apr 24 20:54:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.82.100.64 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 92 20:53 PDT Received: by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA18598; Fri, 24 Apr 92 21:53:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 92 21:53:48 -0600 From: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Message-Id: <9204250353.AA18598@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: US map Thanks for the map!!! > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --// > --------------V- --/ / > / \/ /- > | | > \ * / Ft. Collins, CO > \ ___ | > \ / --\ \ > -\ / -\ \ > -\_/ \/ > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Roth Colorado State University From DIALix.oz.au!steveq Sat Apr 25 09:11:13 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 25 Apr 92 09:09 PDT Received: from uniwa.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA09433; Sun, 26 Apr 1992 02:09:49 +1000 (from steveq@DIALix.oz.au) Received: by uniwa.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA04865; Sun, 26 Apr 1992 00:09:48 +0800 From: steveq@DIALix.oz.au (Steve Quartly) X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Disk Wizard Date: Sat, 25 Apr 92 22:43:36 WST Message-Id: <9204252243.aa07111@DIALix.oz.au> This is for Atari EPS users, Disk Wizard version 2.0, will also support colour monitors! I found an easy way to do it:-) I hope to release it soon. see ya, Steve Quartly Perth, Western Australia steveq@DIALix.oz.au From isis.cs.du.edu!iwoehr Sat Apr 25 10:39:44 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.253.1.4 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Sat, 25 Apr 92 10:38 PDT Received: by diana.cair.du.edu (5.57/DU-1.0) id AA12341; Sat, 25 Apr 92 11:37:52 -0600 Received: by isis.cs.du.edu (5.52/DU-1.0-isis) id AA01569; Sat, 25 Apr 92 11:38:44 MDT From: iwoehr@isis.cs.du.edu (Ivan Woehr) Message-Id: <9204251738.AA01569@isis.cs.du.edu> Subject: Re: Thanks for the map also! To: eps@reed.edu Date: Sat, 25 Apr 92 11:38:41 MDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] --// --------------V- --/ / / \/ /- | / | * <--Denver | Colorado \ / \ ___ | \ / --\ \ -\ / -\ \ -\_/ \/