From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Sun Mar 22 17:06:41 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sun, 22 Mar 92 17:06 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA22294; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 09:05:42 +0800 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 09:05:42 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203230105.AA22294@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS Sequencer >Subject: EPS Sequencer >Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU > >*AHEM* Scott, > I have a question for you. When I create a song using >compilations of different sequences, why is it that when I try to record >on a song track that the song track always comes off beat!!! IS it the >software version I have (2.1 I think) or is there something wrong with >my EPS (old). Also who knows what the latest version of the EPS software >is? >Thanks, >Jacque I have a strong feeling that if you get OS version 2.49 [the latest, 2.5 supposedly in beta-test ;-)] your problem will go away. Drawing on my dimming memories of my EPS "Classic" I seem to remember that most of the bugs with the software were in the sequencing section. Actually... TWO POINT ONE!!! :-) I realy think you had better get 2.49 as soon as possible I remember all sorts of nasty bugs in 2.1, the most nasty is the seemingly random "lets turn this 2 block sequence into a 864 block monster" once that happens you had to live with a 864 block sequence or scrap the whole thing. While I am here talking about the sequencer...is there anyone out there that feels fully in control and comfortable when using the EVENT-EDIT mode? I don't :-) For those who do, I'd love too see a tutorial on the finer points of EVENT-EDITING if you have the time. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ecn.purdue.edu!davisonj Sun Mar 22 17:33:20 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sun, 22 Mar 92 17:33 PST Received: by en.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.30jrs) id AA12909; Sun, 22 Mar 92 20:33:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 92 20:33:09 -0500 From: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu (Tsongas in '96) Message-Id: <9203230133.AA12909@en.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS OS 2.49 After hearing Scott Fisher's remarks about OS 2.1, I guess I should see about getting OS 2.49 as soon as possible! Is there someone out there from whom I could arrange to get a copy? davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu From world.std.com!djk Sun Mar 22 22:18:42 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sun, 22 Mar 92 22:18 PST Received: from world.std.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA05096; Mon, 23 Mar 92 01:18:31 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.61+++/Spike-2.0) id AA15223; Mon, 23 Mar 92 01:18:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 1:18:27 EST From: Dan J Keldsen To: eps@reed.edu Cc: djk@world.std.com Subject: I want to subscribe!!! Message-Id: djk@world.std.com Dan Keldsen From UALR.EDU!jabussey Sun Mar 22 22:46:06 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sun, 22 Mar 92 22:45 PST Received: from spider.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 00:46 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 3125; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 00:45:16 EST Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 00:45:12 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: EPS Sequencer (old) solution Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <00957FCB.67813F60.3125@ualr.edu> >Subject: EPS Sequencer >Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU > >*AHEM* Scott, > I have a question for you. When I create a song using >compilations of different sequences, why is it that when I try to record >on a song track that the song track always comes off beat!!! IS it the >software version I have (2.1 I think) or is there something wrong with >my EPS (old). Also who knows what the latest version of the EPS software >is? >Thanks, >Jacque Here is the deal folks, I was running os version 2.35. I went back and grabbed one of my older eps system disks and found out that I had copied 2.40 on it (WHoooopeeee!!!). It seems as if this cleaned up our(MY) little problem. I would still like to get a copy of 2.49. Anyone mind sending me a copy? If you wan't Ill send you a disk (maybe with some samples on it. Most of my stuff is Hip Hop oriented but if ya want I could send it). Thanks, Jacque From CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU!ITIVAX.BITNET!KINGHWA Sun Mar 22 23:08:54 1992 Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:KINGHWA@ITIVAX.BITNET> Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sun, 22 Mar 92 23:08 PST Message-Id: Received: from itivax.bitnet by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1144; Mon, 23 Mar 92 02:08:08 EST Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 15:06 PDT From: KINGHWA%ITIVAX.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: swapping of sample disk To: eps@reed.edu X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" Hi All, This is my first post on this mailing list. I've got an new EPS recently for quite a good price (or so i've been told). I'm quite new to all this sampling and stuff. And from where I come from there's no local user group or anyone i can swapped anything with. All those talk on the net about sample swapping make my hands itch. (i've have only 20-30 disks) I don't own Gary Geibler EDM software so to get the ball rolling for some form of PD data dump exchange, i've wrote this program that will capture the complete disk image and save it in a data file. the program is free, u can distribute it freely and u don't have to pay me a single cent. I've included the source files as well (they are tested with Borland C++). There are two programs in the ARJ file I've posted. EPSREAD reads a EPS disk and store it in a dump file. EPSWRITE does the reverse. (uudecode and use robert jung arj utility to decompress the file) Some enhancements i can think of for the program : 1. formatting of the disk when it is not formatted. currently you still have to format with some other utility 2. save only the sectors that have info on them. the current version produces big file even if the disk is quite empty (you could use a compression program on it, helps a lot) 3. Better user interface, using MS Windows or Borland's Turbo Vision. 3. support for other sample disk format Currently, it only supports the PC. The data file is Mac/Atari/Amiga friendly. I have no experience programming on other platform. Anyone who is interested in writting one for other machine can drop me a note. I think it would be a good idea. Anyone with any questions, suggestions, comments or requests can send me a mail at the addr below. I've have not acid test this thing...... mail me if u encounter any problems. So can we get a ftp site going for samples?? regards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PS : Many thanks to Scott Fisher for his post on the EPS disk format which is invaluable to the programming. 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M`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$! 2`0$!`0$!`"9@``!_0!!@Z@`` ` end From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Sun Mar 22 23:26:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sun, 22 Mar 92 23:25 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA23581; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 15:24:17 +0800 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 15:24:17 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203230724.AA23581@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Warning...EDM...Warning...EDM I can't remember if I have already posted this but... WARNING...WARNING...Gary Gieblers' EDM approaching... When you format diskettes for your EPS using Gary Gieblers EDM it places your name and the serial number of your program at Head 0, Track 0, Sector 0. Now I have no problem with Gary electronically tagging my copy of EDM with a code but I do STRONGLY OBJECT to the program placing my name on the diskettes I format with it. Hence, I have written to Mr Geibler to complain about this and I urge all EDM owners out there to do the same (if this offends you too). I can't think of any reason Mr Geibler should want to, or need to do this. If he absolutely MUST (for some unknow reason) place an identifier on your formatted diskettes, why not just the serial number that appears on the EDM disk? Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ecn.purdue.edu!davisonj Mon Mar 23 07:33:08 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 07:33 PST Received: by en.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.30jrs) id AA14163; Mon, 23 Mar 92 10:32:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 10:32:59 -0500 From: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu (Tsongas in '96) Message-Id: <9203231532.AA14163@en.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Robert Jung's ARJ utility -- where do I get it? Thanx to kinghwa@itivax.bitnet for providing the .ARJ files; now, where do I get Robert Jung's ARJ program? davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu From UALR.EDU!jabussey Mon Mar 23 09:36:37 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 09:36 PST Received: from backup.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 11:36 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 3159; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 11:35:16 EST Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 11:35:17 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: This ARJ utility Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <00958026.38BFE360.3159@ualr.edu> Does anyone have a copy of this arj utility? Also if anyone has de-arjed the EPSREAD and EPSWRITE files could you please tar and compress and put them up for FTP. Thanks, Jacque From greatlakes.Central.Sun.COM!bobs Mon Mar 23 10:17:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 10:17 PST Received: from Central.Sun.COM (central.Central.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26358; Mon, 23 Mar 92 10:17:18 PST Received: from greatlakes.Central.Sun.COM (greatlakesbb.Central.Sun.COM) by Central.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09220; Mon, 23 Mar 92 12:17:16 CST Received: from da.Central.Sun.COM by greatlakes.Central.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1-900117) id AA10201; Mon, 23 Mar 92 13:17:15 EST Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 13:17:15 EST From: bobs@greatlakes.Central.Sun.COM (Bob Sloboda Sun SE - Michigan) Message-Id: <9203231817.AA10201@greatlakes.Central.Sun.COM> To: eps@reed.edu, jabussey@UALR.EDU Subject: Re: This ARJ utility I need a non-arj version (tar file?) also. Thanks, Bob S. From jabussey@UALR.EDU Mon Mar 23 13:10:57 1992 From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: This ARJ utility Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Does anyone have a copy of this arj utility? Also if anyone has de-arjed the EPSREAD and EPSWRITE files could you please tar and compress and put them up for FTP. Thanks, Jacque From sophia.inria.fr!floyd.imag.fr!chevalet Mon Mar 23 10:42:49 1992 Return-Path: <@sophia.inria.fr:chevalet@floyd.imag.fr> Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 10:42 PST Received: from imag.imag.fr by sophia.inria.fr with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA11398; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 19:43:19 +0100 Received: from floyd.imag.fr by imag.imag.fr (5.54/5.17) id AA13323; Mon, 23 Mar 92 19:41:45 +0100 Received: by floyd.imag.fr (4.1/5.17) id AA08398; Mon, 23 Mar 92 19:42:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 19:42:13 +0100 From: chevalet@floyd.imag.fr (jean-Pierre Chevallet) Message-Id: <9203231842.AA08398@floyd.imag.fr> To: bobs@greatlakes.central.sun.com, eps@reed.edu, jabussey@UALR.EDU Subject: Re: This ARJ utility Me too !! I want a non-arj version or a de-arj for Atari ST. (arc,zoo,lharc,etc) I think, i'm not alone in that case. However, how can-i build an EPS disk with this OS on a file with my atari ? Thanks. (hi from France..) JP Chevallet chevalet@imag.imag.fr From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Mon Mar 23 11:23:17 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 11:22 PST Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA27630; Mon, 23 Mar 92 11:22:52 -0800 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA11117; Mon, 23 Mar 92 12:24:56 -0700 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9203231924.AA11117@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: This ARJ utility To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 12:24:54 MST In-Reply-To: <00958026.38BFE360.3159@ualr.edu>; from "Hard On The Beaver" at Mar 23, 92 11:35 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] > > Does anyone have a copy of this arj utility? Also if anyone has de-arjed > the EPSREAD and EPSWRITE files could you please tar and compress and put > them up for FTP. > > > Thanks, > > Jacque > Hah, finally found the elusive "unarj.exe" utility out on the net. I can send it to whoever needs it, or I can just post it here if you like. =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Mon Mar 23 11:52:55 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 11:52 PST Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA28710; Mon, 23 Mar 92 11:52:34 -0800 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA11181; Mon, 23 Mar 92 12:54:37 -0700 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9203231954.AA11181@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: unarj utility To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 12:54:37 MST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] Hello everybody, Sorry for the bandwidth, but I received a few requests for the unarj utility, so I decided to go ahead and post it. The following is a shar file of the utility and the docs. Let me know if you have any problems with this format. =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== # This is a shell archive. 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Also if anyone has de-arjed > the EPSREAD and EPSWRITE files could you please tar and compress and put > them up for FTP. The following ARJ related files are available via anonymous ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu in the directory /mirrors/msdos/arc-lbr. Hope this is of some help... ARJ230NG.EXE B 200502 920131 ARJ shareware file archiver, export version ARJM101.ZIP B 95897 911104 Menu shell for ARJ. Supports all commands ARJOP110.ZIP B 38023 911021 ARJOPT: Fast and simple windowed shell for ARJ QC175.ZIP B 23041 910726 Converts to/from ZIP, ARJ, and LHarc formats SEE260.ZIP B 9014 910905 View ARC/PAK/ZOO/ZIP/LZH/ARJ/DWC/HYP/LBR v2.60 SHARC24.ZIP B 12664 910527 View/Extract shell ArcArjZipZooLzhPakDwc, etc. UNARJ230.ZIP B 39074 920131 ARJ file extractor for MS-DOS/Unix/VMS/others UNDO_20.ZIP B 11776 920103 Shell opens ARC/ARJ/ZOO/ZIP/PAK/LZH w/1command --james From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Mon Mar 23 12:49:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 12:49 PST Received: by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29737; Mon, 23 Mar 92 15:49:46 EST From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Message-Id: <9203232049.AA29737@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: Test the ARJ utility ... ? To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 15:49:44 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] I just got the ARJ EPSREAD/ EPSWRITE utilities running w/ SoftPC on my Mac. Does anyone want to mail me an image for a test at home tonight? I'll have an image ready in a day or so ... sampled banjo or some SoftSynth sounds or something if someone wants to be on the receiving end instead. What are the pros & cons of this PD software (assuming it works) vs. EDM? Also, to write an EPS image file to disk, does the disk need to be pre- formatted by the EPS or will this program write to unformatted disks also since it is an image copy? -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil From hpgrrd.gr.hp.com!daver Mon Mar 23 13:01:15 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 13:01 PST Received: from hpgrrd.gr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA01047; Mon, 23 Mar 92 13:01:07 -0800 Received: by hpgrrd.gr.hp.com (15.11/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA01746; Mon, 23 Mar 92 14:01:14 mst Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 14:01:14 mst From: Dave Ruska Message-Id: <9203232101.AA01746@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: epsutil - file format Cc: daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com With regards to Robert Jung's ARJ utility and disk formats, Kelly Larson unpacked the 2.49 OS file and we noticed that it was 58 bytes larger than the RAW EPS disk image (819258 vs. 819200 {which is 512 x 10 x 80 x 2}) A quick comparison of the disk with another EPS OS disk I had on my system showed the following header bytes at the start of the file: 0000000 T D D F I 01 05 \0 01 04 01 \0 \0 \0 01 \0 0000010 \0 \0 \n 05 P \0 02 \0 \n \0 \0 02 0b 0b \0 80 0000020 \f \0 : \0 \0 \0 14 \n \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0000030 15 \n \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 m b6 m b6 m b6 ^^ ^^ EPS disk begins here. I don't have any guess as to what 'TDDFI' stands for, but it must be some header ID of some sort. Given that the size of the EPS (and VFX disks) are all the same, I would reason that the header would most likely be constant from one image to another. I can strip the 58 byte header off and then 'cat' the raw image to my floppy disk (on my HP-UX workstation). I could also prepend this header to a disk I read in from my floppy if necessary for interchange purposes. Am I right in thinking that this header is for the most part constant, and, if so, could the EPSREAD/EPSWRITE utilities be modified to not require this header ? It seems like we just might be narrowing in on a common interchange format, at least as far as the PC and at least some workstations. Maybe someone can figure out how to do raw floppy images on a MAC, etc. As far as swapping individual samples in a specific format verses swapping complete disk images, I would much prefer the latter. That way any BANK files, and SEQUENCES are transferred automatically. Just insert the disk, hit LOAD, and then hit PLAY. Regards, Dave Ruska From whitefish.rtsg.mot.com!macenski Mon Mar 23 14:09:45 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 14:09 PST Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA01097; Mon, 23 Mar 92 16:07:53 CST Received: from rtsg.mot.com ([136.182.254.10]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA26680; Mon, 23 Mar 92 16:07:52 CST Received: from catfish5.. by rtsg.mot.com (4.0/SMI-4.1) id AA20790; Mon, 23 Mar 92 16:09:00 CST Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 16:08:09 CST From: macenski@whitefish.rtsg.mot.com (Charles D. Macenski) Message-Id: <9203232208@catfish5> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: epsutil - file format Dave Ruska writes: > It seems like we just might be narrowing in on a common interchange format, > at least as far as the PC and at least some workstations. Maybe someone > can figure out how to do raw floppy images on a MAC, etc. If a standard format for disk images (that do not store unused sectors) and EPS files are required, why not simply use the one already developed for the Giebler Utilities? It works, it already exists, and it is fairly simple.... I see no reason to create ANOTHER format...particularly since Garys is very workable and many people already shelled out the Twenty some odd bucks to support good work. Questioningly, Chuck Macenski From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Mon Mar 23 14:25:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 14:25 PST Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA03757; Mon, 23 Mar 92 14:25:31 -0800 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA11911; Mon, 23 Mar 92 15:27:35 -0700 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9203232227.AA11911@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: epsutil - file format To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 15:27:34 MST In-Reply-To: <9203232208@catfish5>; from "Charles D. Macenski" at Mar 23, 92 4:08 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] > > I see no reason to create ANOTHER format...particularly since Garys is > very workable and many people already shelled out the Twenty some odd > bucks to support good work. > > Questioningly, > > Chuck Macenski > Yes, but many people *haven't* shelled out the twenty some odd bucks, and really have to interest at all in doing so. Especially if a raw disk image can be used across multiple computer formats, as it appears it can be. If something is free, and works just as good or better as something that isn't, I'll go with free every time! :^) =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From whitefish.rtsg.mot.com!macenski Mon Mar 23 14:57:55 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 14:57 PST Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA01528; Mon, 23 Mar 92 16:56:13 CST Received: from rtsg.mot.com ([136.182.254.10]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA27313; Mon, 23 Mar 92 16:56:11 CST Received: from catfish5.. by rtsg.mot.com (4.0/SMI-4.1) id AA21661; Mon, 23 Mar 92 16:57:18 CST Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 16:56:29 CST From: macenski@whitefish.rtsg.mot.com (Charles D. Macenski) Message-Id: <9203232256@catfish5> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: formats >> >> I see no reason to create ANOTHER format...particularly since Garys is >> very workable and many people already shelled out the Twenty some odd >> bucks to support good work. >> >> Questioningly, >> >> Chuck Macenski >> > > Yes, but many people *haven't* shelled out the twenty some odd bucks, > and really have to interest at all in doing so. Especially if a raw > disk image can be used across multiple computer formats, as it appears > it can be. If something is free, and works just as good or better as > something that isn't, I'll go with free every time! :^) No no no. I like free too. But if someone is going to write free, why not use an existing format. Gary's format has the advantage that disk images do not carry the unused sectors making them smaller. Also, his .efe format allows single instruments to be saved.... Free stuff is awesome, Chuck Macenski From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Mon Mar 23 18:59:10 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 18:58 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA00494; Tue, 24 Mar 1992 10:57:59 +0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1992 10:57:59 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203240257.AA00494@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Thanks! Wow! Thanks kinghwa@itivax.bitnet for the EPS disk-dump software. Tell us about yourself (real name) and the process of writing the program how long it took, what you had to do, bugs, where you are (got an ACSII map :-) etc. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From UALR.EDU!jabussey Mon Mar 23 19:10:00 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 19:09 PST Received: from backup.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 20:09 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 3209; Mon, 23 Mar 1992 20:07:56 EST Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 20:07:57 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: RE: epsutil - file format Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: macenski@whitefish.rtsg.mot.com Cc: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <0095806D.D6B71100.3209@ualr.edu> >Dave Ruska writes: > >> It seems like we just might be narrowing in on a common interchange format, >> at least as far as the PC and at least some workstations. Maybe someone >> can figure out how to do raw floppy images on a MAC, etc. >I see no reason to create ANOTHER format...particularly since Garys is >very workable and many people already shelled out the Twenty some odd >bucks to support good work. Some people dont have the bucks... If I get another $20 bucks in my hand, its going toward either my Mackie CR1604 Mixer or my sv 3900 DAT. Maybe someone can get Gary to publish his save format (Yea, right). Jacque From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Mon Mar 23 22:28:59 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 22:28 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA00795; Tue, 24 Mar 1992 14:27:36 +0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1992 14:27:36 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203240627.AA00795@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: REVIEW SL 1,2,3,4,6,7,8 For those of you who don't make it into a Ensoniq dealership very often I thought I'd post the list of "New" sounds that Ensoniq have released for the EPS 16 Plus, these follow the 15 disks that come with the machine. Any additions, and corrections to these reviews, please feel free to let me know. I have sent this a few times before, as I review things I have been tacking the library in. SL-8 is the new-ie for all you who want to cut to the new-review. The review contains the following... SL-1 HI-FI Kits SL-2 Basses, Electric and Synth (Moog). SL-3 Vocals, Rock and Choir. SL-4 Pianos 1. SL-6 Brass (Trumpet and Trombone). SL-7 Dance, Drum Loops (and techno drum kits and Bass). SL-8 Stringed Quartet. SL-1 "Hi-Fi Kits" (5 disks of 44.6 kHz sampled drum sounds, one disk has just crash, h-hat etc noises on it, makes for some looong decays on the crash, you will need 4X EPS, 2X 16 Plus memory to load up a full kit + brass clangy bits [cymbals]. There are 3 disks of Main Kits, 1300+ blocks each and one disk with 3 "small" kits around 400 blocks each and the above mentioned brass-clangy things disk. I won't go into too much detail because the sound/style of all the kits is in the vein of the "rock-drums" kit that comes with the EPS16 Plus, really. If you are after more 808/electronic sounds this set is not for you. You may want to try SL-7 for that (see below). SL-2 "Basses, electric and Synth" (5 disks, 3 are electric basses i.e fender etc, 1300 block monsters that take up a disk each, there is a short version of each on the disk too 200-400 blocks. Personally I can't justify using 1300 blocks "just" on a electric bass sound, even more so when the "short" versions sound just as good in a mix, the short versions are simply looped closer to the attack. If you want to do solo electric bass licks then these are the sounds for you. 2 disks are Moog basses must-have sounds similar to the moog bass on the disks that come with the EPS 16 Plus. There are about 12-14 different sounds. ranging from 100-800 blocks. Most are around 120-300 blocks. I think the library is worth it for the two disks of moog sounds alone, they're great! SL-3 "Vocals, Rock" (5 disks, EPS needs 4X expander 16+ needs 2X, to load one of the sounds) Huge Ahhhs: Huge is right 3339 Blocks so I think it deserves a "huge" slice of the SL-3 review. 3000+ blocks are usually reserved for famous LA studio Piano samples :-) Well this sound has about 8 multisamples in it and they are sampled at 48 kHz (Onto a "real" digital studio recorder). Well it sounds like males were used for the source and is quite smooth as it's real hard to hear any loops even at the extreem high register (the sound is spread over 3 disks BTW the third has 168 or so block on it) it reminded me of a Fairlight Ahhhhhhhh sound I once heard. In the lower registers it is Deep bright and full, in the higher registers clean, airy and smooth. Given the size of this sound I was a little dissapointed with it when I first loaded it up and played a few random notes. I was expecting something "amaaazing" for this number of blocks. However when I played the demo I really started to appreceate the quality of the samples used and the effectivesess of the sound. The patch selects give you octaved, dark (filtered), chorused versions of the original. Not much change from 4080 blocks tho, you are left with 741 :-( Can/will you use it? Got a 16 track and/or 8X memory expansion? Roc Vox 1: 1525 Block UUH and AAH with an Aaaaaaahhh-ish quality, Roc Vox 2: 1571 Block AAY and OOH with an Aaaaaaahhh-ish quality, The demo uses both Roc VOX 1 & 2, given there are 8 patches between them and 4 vowel sounds there is a lot of scope for vocal variation. The demo sounds quite good. Me personally playing around with the sounds, did not think they were as impressive as the Mirage Ahhhh, Tahhh Doooo sounds. Well the quality was better, the sound was "bigger" but, well I suppose I am after something else .... Mabe a Farilight III library :-) Finaly there is Sirens (Greek mythology type not police :-) Monks and Choir-Vox. All these are actually a private school choir from PA somewhere close to Ensoniq HQ. The Sirens is the 20 femails, Monks 20 Males and Choir-Vox is them all singing together. Once again this sounds similar to the Choir that comes with the EPS 16 Plus, I have never been overly impressed with Ensoniq chiors and these are no exception. All I can say is they're "nice" :-). So thats 4.9 disks, on the other 0.1 of the 5th disk is two (a bit cheasy in my opinion) vox-wave type sounds where they have looped an Ohhh Taaa close to the attack, both in the order of 40 blocks, you get the idea. I won't go out of my way to sell you these sounds, I am real fussy when it comes to Vocal samples, especially of Ahhhhsss and Ohhhhhh and OOOOooooohhhh's. I want...Enya on 16 Plus format that's what I am after :-) Why did "I" get these sounds? well I-Just-gotta-have-every- sound-that-has-ever-been-made!!!!! SL-4 "Pianos" <--unsure of title (5 disks of "great" piano sounds, better IMHO than the two that came with the 16 Plus. Steinway 2 3010 blocks, small version 735 blocks. One thing I can say about piano samples is that I can't tell what you will think of them. Both pianos are in the same vein as the steinway and the bosendorfer that come with the 16 Plus. I can say that the Steinway 2 samples are at a higher sample rate and longer loop points. Steinway 2 sounds to me smooth, sweet and very nice :-) better than Steinway 1 (16 Plus original). Bosendorfr 2 2806 Blocks sml bose 2 777 blocks. This Bosendorfer is not quite as "bright" as the Bosendorfer that comes with the EPS16 Plus. It's a much more smooth and musical sound, to my ears. The other thing I should say is that the manual that comes with this sound set is worth a read for it's own sake. The session was at "Mad hatter studios" and there are some great pics of a Steinway and a Bosendorfer with about every mic known to man pointing at them and guys trying to get in amongst the mess to actually get at the piano :-) There is some interesting text too ...and that fills 5 disks :-) SL-5 "Pianos 2" I'm still waiting for it...Yamaha C-7 and Kawai Pianos apparently. SL-6 "Brass" (5 disks of trumpet and trombone sounds. What can I say... They sound "fine". I played trombone for 9 years (given it up in favour of samplers) and I am happy with the brass on this disk. I recon that brass has always been one of the easiest sounds to sample. There are trumpets, 1300 blocks, trombones, muted trumpets and trombones some "great" BLAT'y Bass Trombone samples. These sounds will be useful for anyone who wants trumpet and trombone sounds. If I can find anything wrong with them they tent to sound a little "reedy" a bit of EQ can fix that however. Great sounds? No, I don't think so...good clean, quiet and honest samples I'd call them. SL-7 "Drum-loops" (5 disks of more than just drum loops...I think this is the cooolest sounds that I have yet heard comming from my EPS in a while. Cool because they are current, dance type sounds). It's all in the hip-hop, house, acid, rap style, loops are designed to be easily sync'd to any bpm. The manual shows you how to do it several ways, and the sounds have patches designed to help with this process. There are about 13 different loops there with their accompanying kits so you can make your own loops up. These are a must for acid/house hip-hop etc fans, the kits have been extracted from the loops so that you can make up your own loops, or spruce-up what's there. There are two other kits which are sampled from various drum machines, both around 900 blocks and they sound like a collection of 808, 909, 707 and "Kraftwerk" sounds. There are some cool bass, goobs, FX and "hits" there too. The manual is an must if you are trying to introduce someone to the jargon/meanings of the rap/house/acid/funk etc etc terms. They were made by some "famous-person" I foget now. One of the demo sequences is worthy of a top-40 position in this particular style. I was dancing around my bedroom-studio all last night...wayy to coolll. SL-8 "Stringed Quartet" Violin, viola and cello make up this set. The set consists mainly of Vibrato and Arco (straight) versions of the Violin viola and cello. Thrown in for good measure are a set of Pizzicato strings (an 998 block instrument covering cello/viola/violin) and an instrument called "Chamber" (Arco - Violin, viola and cello trimmed and spread across the keyboard [901 blocks]). Well, if you are after some very "classical" - sounding samples of the above instruments this is the set for you. These string sounds appear to be designed for solo/quartet work, no lush orchestral string stacks like Full Strings that comes with the EPS-16 Plus (ED-13). The demo sequence shows that this set can make some impressively realistic "Stringed Quartet" sounds. Being a cello connoisseur I must say I'm not jumping up and down with excitement about these sounds. However, like the Brass (SL-6) these are honest, quiet, clean samples. Don't sack the session string players just yet. Well that's all I have at the mo, I'll let you know what I think of... SL-5: Pianos 2 SL-9: Flutes SL-10: Violin Section SL-11: Viola Section SL-12: Cello Section SL-13: Bass Section SL-14: Solo Instruments SL-15: Guitars SL-16: Synths. When I get them. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH:(09) 380 3574. _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Cadence.COM!jdm Mon Mar 23 22:46:28 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 22:46 PST Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA12147; Tue, 24 Mar 92 01:46:11 -0500 Received: from cadence.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 014553.15822; Tue, 24 Mar 1992 01:45:53 EST From: jdm@Cadence.COM (Joe Mastroianni) Message-Id: <9203231915.AA10060@cadence.Cadence.COM> Received: by cadence.Cadence.COM (5.61/3.14) id AA10060; Mon, 23 Mar 92 11:15:44 -0800 Subject: Please Remove Me To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 11:15:43 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] It's been a blast. Thanks for the good times. Please remove my name from the list. Bye! Joe From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Mon Mar 23 23:30:27 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 92 23:30 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA00918; Tue, 24 Mar 1992 15:29:17 +0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1992 15:29:17 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203240729.AA00918@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Offer... Offer... I have a pkzip'ed and uuencoded EPS disk-image file created with the "epsread" PD utility posted by kinghwa@itivax.bitnet. The EPS disk image is of a disk containing one instrument file called rl-tek-perc 1. It is a bunch of very Kraftwerk/Techno percussion sounds. If you want it email-me. Regards Scott. Waiting for a email-flood... _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Tue Mar 24 00:32:55 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 00:32 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA01206; Tue, 24 Mar 1992 16:31:53 +0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1992 16:31:53 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203240831.AA01206@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Atari EDM Software AVALIABLE soon. Look's like this week is the week we all suffered from EPS disk-reader software OVERLOAD :-) OK, A friend of mine, Steve Quarterly has just written a Share-Ware EDM look-alike. The software is much better than EDM in my opinion. It will format 2 drives simultaneously and do much more. MOST IMPORTANTLY it's output is FULLY COMPATABLE with EDM. Steve spoke to Gary Giebler about this last night (Steve lives here in Perth) and Gary was quite happy to have his disk image file format supported. Thus Atari and IBM owners will be able to swap sounds on the net given the IBM user has EDM. If kinghwa@itivax.bitnet's software can be modified to the same disk image format then even more people can join in. Steve has asked me to find out what archive program is most popular on the net. When I get this info, I will release the code/software here in the next couple of days. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU!ITIVAX.BITNET!KINGHWA Tue Mar 24 01:07:41 1992 Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:KINGHWA@ITIVAX.BITNET> Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 01:07 PST Message-Id: Received: from itivax.bitnet by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5183; Tue, 24 Mar 92 04:07:07 EST Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 17:04 PDT From: KINGHWA%ITIVAX.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: sample swapping To: eps@reed.edu X-VMS-To: IN%"eps@reed.edu" hi all, seems like my upload generated a lot of mail. i will try to answer some of the queries. from Brian Adamson: > Also, to write an EPS image file to disk, does the disk need to be pre- >formatted by the EPS or will this program write to unformatted disks also >since it is an image copy? urmm... at the moment u need to have a formatted EPS disk. the program won't do it for u. i'll try to add the copy and format feature when i'm free. from Chuck Macenski: >If a standard format for disk images (that do not store unused sectors) >and EPS files are required, why not simply use the one already developed >for the Giebler Utilities? It works, it already exists, and it is fairly >simple.... >I see no reason to create ANOTHER format...particularly since Garys is >very workable and many people already shelled out the Twenty some odd >bucks to support good work. >>No no no. I like free too. But if someone is going to write free, why >>not use an existing format. Gary's format has the advantage that disk >>images do not carry the unused sectors making them smaller. Also, his >>.efe format allows single instruments to be saved.... yup, it would be nice if i could use Gary's format but i have no idea how he would feel about it. i don't have his program, i suppose i could try to 'hack' his file if someone post me a sample. i know all these different format is a big headache but we need to solve this sample trading problem. some people has EDM, some don't and it will take a while to get everyone to agree with anything. this is a contribution to get something going. the program took me a couple of days to 'hack' together, that's why it hasn't got a lot of bells and whistles. it was primarily done to solve this problem of sample swapping. the format of the data file is very flexible. it probably will take me a couple more days but it can be extended to take Roland sample disks. i could add support to carry only used sectors. 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(just to make sure i don't read the wrong type of file.) The next byte mark how the file would be interpreted. There are two possible values, 'I' for Intel or 'M' for Motorola. This bytes marks how values would be ordered in the file. In Intel format, least significant byte comes first (as supported on the PC). In Motorola format, the most significant byte comes first (as used by the Mac/Atari). Next byte is the version number (1 at the moment). Next two bytes indicate the number of tags in the file and following that comes the tag entries. >A quick comparison of the disk with another EPS OS disk I had on my >system showed the following header bytes at the start of the file: > >0000000 T D D F I 01 05 \0 01 04 01 \0 \0 \0 01 \0 >0000010 \0 \0 \n 05 P \0 02 \0 \n \0 \0 02 0b 0b \0 80 >0000020 \f \0 : \0 \0 \0 14 \n \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 >0000030 15 \n \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 m b6 m b6 m b6 thus, if byte 5 is 'M' instead of 'I' then the number of tags (byte 7 and 8) would be encoded as 00 05 (from the above example) instead of 05 00. (maybe i could drop the byte ordering interpretation and stick to Intel format all the way through. The 'I' would be another byte for the signature string.) A bit about tags......... Information about the file are stored in what is called a tagged field entry. Each tag describe a certain piece of info about the file. A tag is a 10 bytes structure. the 10 bytes tag field are composed as follows: byte 1 : indicate the tag type byte 2 : indicate the data type of the next 8 bytes byte 3 to 10 : data values So to parse the current header from the example above : Tag field 1 (bytes 9 onwards) 01 04 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 01 - Tag type DISKFORMAT, indicates which type of disk and how the data is stored in the dump file. 04 - Data type 2 longs. Next 8 bytes is made up of 2 long values. 01 00 00 00 - Disk Type indicator, 01 for ensoniq EPS (at the moment) 01 00 00 00 - Data dump type, 01 for uncompressed data image [ Note for motorola ordering the 2 longs would be coded as 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 01 ] Tag field 2 0A 05 50 00 02 00 0A 00 00 02 0A - Tag type DISKINFO, give general information about the sectors/tracks of the disk 05 - Data type 4 words. Next 8 bytes is made up of 4 words. 50 00 - Number of tracks in disk, 80 02 00 - Number of heads, 2 0A 00 - Number of sectors per track, 10 00 02 - Number of bytes per sector, 512 [similarly, the 4 words for Motorola ordering would be encoded as 00 50 00 02 00 0A 02 00] Tag field 3 0B 0B 00 80 0f 00 3A 00 00 00 0B - Tag type DATADUMP, points to where the actual data is on the disk. 0B - data type data. Next 8 bytes made up of 2 longs. 00 80 0f 00 - 1st long, length of image data 3a 00 00 00 - 2nd long, offset in file where data starts Tag field 4 and 5 is very similar to tag field 3 and describes where the subject and author field is in the file. can be ignore for most reading/writing purposes. u can get more info about the various constants from my header file in the source code i've uploaded. >I can strip the 58 byte header off and then 'cat' the raw image to >my floppy disk (on my HP-UX workstation). it may not work. use the tag field DATADUMP to do ur reading. check for disk format type first, might have new one later. >I could also prepend this header to a disk I read in from my floppy >if necessary for interchange purposes. there should not be any problem with this. EPSWRITE should work. >Am I right in thinking that this header is for the most part constant, >and, if so, could the EPSREAD/EPSWRITE utilities be modified to not >require this header ? not a good idea. this header identifies the data in the file. a lot of the features in the file structure was borrowed from the tiff file format which is quite a good one (though it's a bit complicated). it's meant to be flexible and supportable from any platform. hope my explaination is clear, not very good at explaining technical stuff. i guess i could drop this file format if more people wants to use Gary's format. well?? if people agree on this format, this will be further enhanced if not i'll just chuck it out. regards Goh King Hwa From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Tue Mar 24 06:16:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 06:16 PST Received: by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12349; Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:16:34 EST From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Message-Id: <9203241416.AA12349@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: EPSREAD/WRITE & SoftPC on the Mac To: eps@reed.edu Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 9:16:33 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] I tried reading an EPS disk while running Goh King Hwa's PD EPS disk reader software with SoftPC on the Mac....(drum roll (sampled)).. and I get a floppy driver error of some sort. Evidently SoftPC is not quite true enough to form for this type of application. Fortunately, I have access to a PC here at work where I do most of my email/ download/ upload processing anyway. -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil From ecn.purdue.edu!davisonj Tue Mar 24 06:18:48 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 06:18 PST Received: by en.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.30jrs) id AA12390; Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:18:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:18:38 -0500 From: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu (Tsongas in '96) Message-Id: <9203241418.AA12390@en.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: ?? Sun 4 ?? Asking the following question is probably asking for trouble, but here goes: How tough would it be to modify the current EPS disk-reader/writer software to support a SPARCstation (Sun 4) instead of an IBM PC? For some of us (myself included), it is far easier to get regular access to a Sun 4 than to an IBM PC. davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu From kong.gsfc.nasa.gov!arensb Tue Mar 24 06:30:18 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 06:30 PST Received: from kong.gsfc.nasa.gov by lego.gsfc.nasa.gov (5.61/1.35) id AA00780; Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:30:00 -0500 Received: by kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18926; Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:29:57 EST Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:29:57 EST From: arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Andrew Arensburger - RMS) Message-Id: <9203241429.AA18926@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: ?? Sun 4 ?? > From davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu Tue Mar 24 09:26:40 1992 > How tough would it be to modify the current EPS disk-reader/writer > software to support a SPARCstation (Sun 4) instead of an IBM PC? For some of > us (myself included), it is far easier to get regular access to a Sun 4 than to > an IBM PC. For inspiration, there's always 'mtools', which I've been using quite successfully on a Sparc IPC. Look at an ftp site near you. /AA/ From NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL!bkirsch Tue Mar 24 06:46:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 06:46 PST Received: by NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (5.59/1.0 ) id AA03990; Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:43:22 EST Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:43:22 EST From: bkirsch@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (B. Kirsch) Message-Id: <9203241443.AA03990@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS Sample Dump Standard? Does the EPS support the sample dump standard. I am thinking of getting a Peavy Sample player which accepts SDS. I would like to dump the EPS samples directly to the Peavy. Can this be done without handshaking? Thanks, Barry Kirsch bkirsch@nadc.navy.mil From ecn.purdue.edu!davisonj Tue Mar 24 06:58:07 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 06:58 PST Received: by en.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.30jrs) id AA16305; Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:57:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:57:10 -0500 From: davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu (Tsongas in '96) Message-Id: <9203241457.AA16305@en.ecn.purdue.edu> To: bkirsch@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS Sample Dump Standard? >Does the EPS support the sample dump standard. That sentence makes no sense. Were you intending to ask a question? >I am thinking of getting a Peavy Sample player which accepts SDS. What, or who, is "Peavy"? By the way, the EPS does not support the MIDI Sample Dump Standard. (That's the #2 architectural flaw of the EPS...the #1 flaw is the tiny address space...) davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu From silver.lcs.mit.edu!kalin Tue Mar 24 08:02:26 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 08:02 PST Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA26210; Tue, 24 Mar 92 11:02:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 11:02:09 -0500 From: kalin@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Dan Kalin) Message-Id: <9203241602.AA26210@silver.lcs.mit.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS-16 Disk File Format Hello EPS fans, I am doing some hacking with my EPS disks. I want to read my samples and other instrument data into my computer. Does anyone have a copy of the file format that they could send me? Thanks, Dan Kalin kalin@silver.lcs.mit.edu From UALR.EDU!jabussey Tue Mar 24 08:10:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 08:10 PST Received: from spider.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Tue, 24 Mar 1992 10:09 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 3221; Tue, 24 Mar 1992 09:03:03 EST Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1992 09:03:02 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: EPSWRITE Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <009580DA.1E011120.3221@ualr.edu> Well folks, I finally got the eps os Unarjed and written to an EPS formatted disk and guess what? IT WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!! thankyouthankyou thankyouthankyou!!!! Now lets get some trades going! All I have are dirty break beat loop. Im looking for alot of 808 kick drum sounds,Miami Bass, Bass guitars and other interesting instruments. Thanks in advance, Jacque From NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL!bkirsch Tue Mar 24 08:47:41 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 08:47 PST Received: by NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (5.59/1.0 ) id AA07412; Tue, 24 Mar 92 11:44:13 EST Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 11:44:13 EST From: bkirsch@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (B. Kirsch) Message-Id: <9203241644.AA07412@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL> To: bkirsch@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL, davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu, eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS Sample Dump Standard? I spelled Peavey wrong. Peavey has been making speakers, amps etc for a long time and within the past few years introduced new synths and samplers. This Peavey 1 rack space sample player is 16 bit with 2MB RAM standard. It can be expanded to 32MB. It has a built-in SCSI port for high speed sample dumps. I believe the list price is about $1000. Yes the Question was about the MIDI SDS. Thank's for your comments. Barry Kirsch bkirsch@nadc.navy.mil From hpgrrd.gr.hp.com!daver Tue Mar 24 09:12:46 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:12 PST Received: from hpgrrd.gr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA21113; Tue, 24 Mar 92 09:12:36 -0800 Received: by hpgrrd.gr.hp.com (15.11/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA04979; Tue, 24 Mar 92 10:12:42 mst Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 10:12:42 mst From: Dave Ruska Message-Id: <9203241712.AA04979@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: more on file formats Cc: daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com Chuck Macenski writes: > If a standard format for disk images (that do not store unused sectors) > and EPS files are required, why not simply use the one already developed > for the Giebler Utilities? It works, it already exists, and it is fairly > simple.... > I see no reason to create ANOTHER format...particularly since Garys is > very workable and many people already shelled out the Twenty some odd > bucks to support good work. I agree that creating ANOTHER format is not a good idea also. In fact I was referring to the ORIGINAL format which is that of a raw Ensoniq disk, which I wouldn't exactly call a ANOTHER format. Not storing unused sectors is an issue, but since all of the unused area of a disc typically contains Enonsiq's format pattern (0x6db6) it gets greatly reduced when compressed through the standard compress utility (or any of the compressing archiver programs). As an example, the compressed 800K OS disks for the EPS and EPS16+ are about 64K bytes. Also 'full' EPS disks typically compress from 1.5 to 5 TO 1. Granted, other storage formats can be compressed as well, but the point being that the unused area is not that big of a deal if the image is compressed. I would have no problem using the Giebler Utilities storage format, if the format is documented. Perhaps Gary could even provide a 'free' version of a portion of his program which can convert the storage files only. It could even print out an advertisement on how to buy the 'real' version of the program. Scott writes: > OK, A friend of mine, Steve Quarterly has just written a Share-Ware > EDM look-alike. The software is much better than EDM in my opinion. > It will format 2 drives simultaneously and do much more. > Thus Atari and IBM owners will be able to swap sounds on the net > given the IBM user has EDM. Sounds like EDM compatable storage format is a good choice. We need to pick *ONE* format so that we can develop public domain utilities for specific platforms to maximize the availablity of our sample swapping. Regards, Dave Ruska From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Tue Mar 24 17:50:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 17:50 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA02233; Wed, 25 Mar 1992 09:49:35 +0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1992 09:49:35 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203250149.AA02233@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EDM and associated products. Hi Gang, I notice that a few people have been concerned that we will end up with 27 different formats running around the network. I'd like to voice my vote for following the EDM disk-image and file-image format. Steve Quarterly spoke to Gary and he said he was quite happy to see his EDM format supported. The crux of Gary's compression is that when EDM sees the HEX string 6D 6B, it does not bother to save it. Ensoniq disks where these is no data have this repeating pattern. That said, I am quite happy to see (for the moment) two or three formats given that this is early days and there are enough of us around that can support both to convert for everyone else while we wait for things to settle down. Be patient, things will converge in their own good time. Heres some statistics to plicate the BANDWITH mizers :-) Disk image file size File size after Compression with ZIP EDM = 359 k 272 k HWA = 819 k 278 k HWA, is the PD epsread utility output. So you can see that although the PD utility may look scary after compression they are neck and neck on size. Regards Scott. PS, ATARI users what ARCHIVE format do you want the ATARI - EDM utility done with????? _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Tue Mar 24 18:05:47 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 18:05 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA02315; Wed, 25 Mar 1992 10:04:28 +0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1992 10:04:28 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203250204.AA02315@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Offer... Offer... I have sent the tek-perk file to the following, If you asked me and I missed you let me know. rick.wagoner@ebay kdl@hpeskdl adamson@itd greenejl@mentor jabussey@ular bsanders@mrcnext bobs@greatlakes aieta@drum brian@greybyn rjfennem@descartes Given that this equates to 3.2 meg I am sending from Australia to the USA don't be surprised if you see this message with your name in it before you get the uuencoded file. Also I am writing this about 5 minutes after I sent it all, so I have not had time to get any bounces yet. So be patient. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ads.com!pdel Wed Mar 25 03:04:22 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 03:04 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA20312; Wed, 25 Mar 92 03:03:11 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA01649; Wed, 25 Mar 92 03:03:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 92 03:03:08 -0800 Message-Id: <9203251103.AA01649@bert.ads.com> To: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au Subject: Re: EDM and associated products. Cc: eps@reed.edu Howdy Scott, got your mail, here's my answer: PS, ATARI users what ARCHIVE format do you want the ATARI - EDM uti lity done with????? I'd go for lzh or arc. PD ps - I'm still alive, haven't said much lately due to: 1. got sick 2. Work 3. Preparing taxes - 2x the work now that I'm married! Today I go in to my preparer, so after this I should start seeing some time open up for 1. Discussion of ftp sites 2. Send you some EPS and Roland files 3. Spend all my money on gear that will be worth 50% in 1 yr. Talk to ya soon, PD From mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!bsanders Wed Mar 25 13:22:32 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.174.5.58 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 13:21 PST Received: from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu by garcon.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11615 (5.65d+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 25 Mar 1992 15:21:44 -0600 Received: by mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA08666; Wed, 25 Mar 92 15:20:47 CST Date: Wed, 25 Mar 92 15:20:47 CST From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) Message-Id: <9203252120.AA08666@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Swap Junkie [the pathetic junkie, his hands shaking, attempts to communicate via email] P leeezz, mail me some more di sk images...TeK-pErC was GRRReat... I need more. house/club/scratch/cuts/loops/indstrl/cyber/noise/tekno/acid/hip/hop/etc/etc/etc I'll be hippy to recip rocate w/ you. Tanx A Lot, barry sanders (P.S.- Use this address for disk images: bsanders@mars.ncsa.uiuc.edu Thanks.) From Bern.DoCS.UU.SE!bqt Wed Mar 25 13:33:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.36.125.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 13:33 PST Received: from Bern.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.61+IDA/KTH/LTH/1.23) id AAsunic08613; Wed, 25 Mar 92 22:33:02 +0100 Received: by Bern.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/75, SunOS 4.1.1) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA08664; Wed, 25 Mar 92 22:32:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1992 22:32:58 MET From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Offer... In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 24 Mar 1992 15:29:17 +0800 Message-Id: >Offer... > >I have a pkzip'ed and uuencoded EPS disk-image file created with the >"epsread" PD utility posted by kinghwa@itivax.bitnet. > >The EPS disk image is of a disk containing one instrument file called >rl-tek-perc 1. It is a bunch of very Kraftwerk/Techno percussion sounds. > >If you want it email-me. > >Regards Scott. Waiting for a email-flood... >_______________________________________________________________________________ >Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). > _--_|\ N >Department of Psychology / \ W + E >University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S >Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v > > *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, could you send me a copy of the disk? Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus CS student at Uppsala University || on a psycidelic trip email: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se || reading murder books pdp is alive! || and tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol From cirrus.com!samd Wed Mar 25 14:19:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.1.101.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 14:19 PST Received: by oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA07110; Wed, 25 Mar 92 14:19:01 -0800 Received: by oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.51/smail2.5/12-18-87) id AA07107; Wed, 25 Mar 92 14:18:58 PST Received: from sunfire.sunprince (sunfire2) by cirrus.com (4.1- Cirrus/M) id AA11463; Wed, 25 Mar 92 14:16:04 PST Received: by sunfire.sunprince (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23244; Wed, 25 Mar 92 14:17:17 PST From: samd@cirrus.com (Sam Dillon) Message-Id: <9203252217.AA23244@sunfire.sunprince> Subject: disk images To: eps@reed.edu (EPS) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 92 14:17:16 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Well, since everyone else getting in on the act. Could someone send me a disk image or two. I have arranged the PC access, so I ready to try. Thanks /samd From mips2.ma30.bull.com!peters Wed Mar 25 14:44:37 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.35.27.11 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 14:44 PST Received: by mips2.ma30.bull.com (5.61/1.34) id AA05344; Wed, 25 Mar 92 17:42:11 -0500 From: peters@mips2.ma30.bull.com (Dan Peters) Message-Id: <9203252242.AA05344@mips2.ma30.bull.com> Subject: Mallet Cymbal Roll? To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 25 Mar 92 17:42:10 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL0] Hi fellow EPS Sampler Owners, Does anyone have a sample of a Mallet Cymbal roll? How about just a Cymbal Roll? I have so many uses for one but can't seem to obtain one. Any help out there? Thanks, -- Dan peters@mips2.ma30.bull.com From ads.com!pdel Wed Mar 25 18:30:05 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 18:29 PST Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA25890; Wed, 25 Mar 92 18:29:09 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA20052; Wed, 25 Mar 92 18:29:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 92 18:29:08 -0800 Message-Id: <9203260229.AA20052@deimos.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: I survived.... My tax preparer. What a pain to be self-employed! First thing I wanted to comment on was the 'yea' votes for ftp. Counting myself, we have about10 people. That doesn't look like enough to give us any kind of clout. Here's the people I have so far: tauren@rigel.cs.pdx.edu Kelly Larson aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Stephen Gregory leigh@psychok.dialix.oz.au davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu brinkley@synapse.biostr.washington.edu (Jim Brinkley) Scott Fisher Yours-truly pdel@ads.com If there's any more of you out there, let's hear from you. The more the merrier. If your name is here and you don't want ftp, let me know too. Comments? Shall we start knocking at louie.udel's door, or wait a while for more support? I also remember someone recommending that I post to rec.music.synth to muster up more EPS'ers. Sounds like a good idea; I'll try that too. Meanwhile, the present people, if you have sounds, how about getting a list together of them? Doesn't have to be elaborate; for mine, I just listed the name of the instruments on each disk, like this: PD disk 1 1. Awesome Grand 30 blks 2. Really bad horn 1000 blks 3. Concert Hall wood block 100 blks Or some such thing, whatever. To quote the end of Scott Fisher's article in the Hacker 'go for it, spin the cat' PD out From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Wed Mar 25 19:03:08 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 19:02 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA03995; Thu, 26 Mar 1992 11:02:04 +0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 11:02:04 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203260302.AA03995@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: FTP, Sample Offer and STUFF. Hi EPS types... I Just noticed Peter's mail about the FTP bit. The reason for my offer of e-mailed percussion sounds was two-fold, firstly because I am a great guy :-) and secondly a thinly veiled plot to get an idea how many people out there were capable of swapping samples :-) I have (so far, I'm still taking orders) sent the RL-TEK-PERC-1 file out to 24 people, that means at least 24 people out there with not only King Hwa's EPS utilities but also a PC or some succesful PC emulator on their platform. Given that most of these people have FTP access look's like any FTP site we manage to establish is in severe danger of soaking up 2 Gigabytes of samples in the first 20 seconds it's open :-) Happy EPS-ing people. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cup.portal.com!ceej Wed Mar 25 20:47:47 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.83.245.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 20:47 PST Return-Path: Received: by nova.unix.portal.com (5.65b/4.1 1.87) id AA03228; Wed, 25 Mar 92 20:47:28 -0800 Received: by portal.unix.portal.com (1.198) id AA07107; Wed, 25 Mar 92 20:47:27 -0800 Received: by hobo.corp.portal.com (4.1/4.0.3 1.14) id AA15723; Wed, 25 Mar 92 20:47:26 PST To: eps@reed.edu From: ceej@cup.portal.com Subject: possesed, still Lines: 39 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 92 20:47:25 PST Message-Id: <9203252047.1.15715@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Hello EPS gurus... Some of you may have seen my post a week or so ago in comp.music concerning my possesed EPS. I was dismayed (to say the least) to find that it would flake out on me, just as I was getting into a session... burst of MIDI out, then random chars on the display. Nothing would clear it up-- forced to reboot. Then (this only happened once though) the keyboard would not tune; it kept failing upon startup. I left it shut off for an hour and tried again, and that time it tuned ok, first try. Well, I disconnected my EPS from my MIDI setup. I can reproduce my problem easily now: 1) Turn EPS on 2) insert OS disk when prompted 3) wait (usually 20-30 minutes is enough) 4) Bingo! garbled display, nothing works I don't even have to load any instruments, or touch anything! Certainly sounds like a overheating problem to me, but the fins on the back are not really hot to the touch when it happens-- I can easily hold my fingers on them. Besides, aren't the heat sink fins on the back for the transformer? If so, I'd expect an overheat situation would result in a major power failure (hmm, maybe that's what I'm seeing here?).... Anyway, I have had some suggestions sofar to get my keyboard ribbon connector (re)soldered ("hardwired")... However, what about if I can reproduce the problem without even touching the keyboard at all? Also, some have suggested aiming a fan at the rear of the EPS. This doesn't really sound like much of a solution to me-- what if it happens to be a real hot day? Do I have to install an air conditioner next? Any estimate of how much it would cost me to get this "fixed"? Is it even possible to "fix" it? By fixed, I mean back to the way it was-- when I could use it without it freaking out on me... Also, are these freakouts damaging my EPS? Thanks for listening, ceej From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Wed Mar 25 21:58:45 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Wed, 25 Mar 92 21:57 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA04228; Thu, 26 Mar 1992 13:56:49 +0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 13:56:49 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203260556.AA04228@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Ceej's problem... I was going to reply via email but then thought that this problem is so common that it would not hurt for everyone to see my reply. Gee! A posting thats NOT about swapping sounds, ftp, EDM or Hwa's PD utility :-) >Hello EPS gurus... > >Some of you may have seen my post a week or so ago in comp.music concerning >my possesed EPS. I was dismayed (to say the least) to find that it would >flake out on me, just as I was getting into a session... burst of MIDI out, > >I don't even have to load any instruments, or touch anything! Certainly >sounds like a overheating problem to me, but the fins on the back are not >really hot to the touch when it happens-- I can easily hold my fingers on > >Anyway, I have had some suggestions sofar to get my keyboard ribbon >connector (re)soldered ("hardwired")... However, what about if I can >reproduce the problem without even touching the keyboard at all? Also, some >have suggested aiming a fan at the rear of the EPS. This doesn't really >sound like much of a solution to me-- what if it happens to be a real hot >day? Do I have to install an air conditioner next? Beleive me Ceej, The problem you are experiencing sounds every bit like your typical inductor connector problem. No you don't have to touch it for the EPS to play up. I'd say as your EPS warms up that is enough to expand the contacts that micron too far and "Bingo!" EEEEEERRRRRROOOORRRRRR 11111 44444444444444 RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT??????? ?????? I will bet you a disk of sounds getting the connector hard-wired will solve your problem :-) The cost of the repairs ranges from FREE - $30 depending on where you go. Ensoniq actually recognise this problem as their "fault" thus often fix it under warranty. You just have to convince the "Authorized Enoniq Repair Station" that Ensoniq have said as much :-) Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cco.caltech.edu!jaywb Thu Mar 26 02:15:43 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 131.215.139.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 02:15 PST Received: by tybalt.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA16265; Thu, 26 Mar 92 02:15:15 PST Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 02:15:15 PST From: jaywb@cco.caltech.edu (Jay William Bromley) Message-Id: <9203261015.AA16265@tybalt.caltech.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: another yea, and a question... Hey all, I've not been around for a while and just caught the end of this sound swapping thread. First, let me say that I'm all for it. Second, in the ton of mail I had to deal with, I managed to obtain the PD epsread utility, but not the epswrite utility, so could someone send me a copy of it? Lastly, how do these utilities work, i.e. how to I get my samples to someone else and vice versa? Thanks for any help, jay jaywb@tybalt.caltech.edu From fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Thu Mar 26 05:22:58 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 05:22 PST Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA21554; Thu, 26 Mar 92 07:23:41 CST Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com ([145.2.121.131]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06252; Thu, 26 Mar 92 07:23:35 CST Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA13167; Thu, 26 Mar 92 08:13:42 EST Message-Id: <9203261313.AA13167@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com (n/a David Schick) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 08:13:38 EST Subject: First time user's questions. Hi! To: eps@reed.edu X-Attachment: //node_27d3b/local_user/schickda/stuff/eps/eps1.mail From ads.com!pdel Thu Mar 26 06:15:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 06:14 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA27703; Thu, 26 Mar 92 06:13:27 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00805; Thu, 26 Mar 92 06:13:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 06:13:27 -0800 Message-Id: <9203261413.AA00805@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Well, at the risk of causing e-mail jams all over the nation, here's my list of EPS disks for tradin'. They are EPS-13 bit files, no 16+ stuff yet, but all come with a no-money no-apologies back guarantee :^] I'm only doing this so people can experiment with the utilities that are available now, so please don't request everything at once. Let`s go for one disk per customer right now. If I get on a roll we can do more. I have EDM and the eps_read utility that was recently posted. If you have either of those, tell me how you want it sent. Since these are in original EPS format, there`s no need to specify that you want 16+ or regular format. PD *Special offer! I have about 5-6 disks full of Band-in-a-Box sequences. Strictly grab-bag here. They are the demo sequences that come with the program. I converted to a midi-file and then to EPS-sequences w/EDM. Sure beats transferring one track at a time to the EPS ! If there's enough interest I'll make a listing. EPS PD Disk 1--McGill Brass HR-16 Kit EPS PD Disk 2--Timp/Perc1/Xylo EPS PD Disk 3--Korg Piano 1 of 2 - pretty good. w/demo sequence EPS PD Disk 4--Korg Piano 2 of 2 EPS PD Disk 5--Flintstones/Blues Bros. FACE Strings EPS PD Disk 6--Pizzicato EPS PD Disk 7--FZ Conga Marimba/Daves Mallet Crotales/Misc. Perc. EPS PD Disk 8--Indian Perc. Perc.1 EPS PD Disk 9--6 Strings / Quartet/ Marimbas EPS PD Disk 10--Ellis Song EPS PD Disk 11--FZ perc 1&2 /Bells&Blocks/ Daves Mallet EPS PD Disk 12--R8 Perc./VFX Drums /Tour Vibe/ WB/Wind Chimes EPS PD Disk 13--African Perc./ Xylo EPS PD Disk 14--HR-16 Perc. /Conga/ Timp/Vibes EPS PD Disk 15--Timp/Vibes/Drums EPS PD Disk 16--E-Mu Perc/M1 Perc/ Indian Perc ** Disks 17-27 & 29-30 are Songs w/Instruments ** EPS PD Disk 17--Strait Nada Song EPS PD Disk 18--Other Worlds Seq. EPS PD Disk 19--Air Breeze EPS PD Disk 20--Give It Up EPS PD Disk 21--Firebird EPS PD Disk 22--Star Wars 1 of 2 EPS PD Disk 23--Star Wars 2 of 2 EPS PD Disk 24--Night in Tunisia EPS PD Disk 25--Scottish Drums & Seq. EPS PD Disk 26--Bob's Shorts EPS PD Disk 27--Delta 1 EPS PD Disk 28--Baby Grand EPS PD Disk 29--EPS Demo 1 EPS PD Disk 30--Night in Tunisia backup EPS PD Disk 31--Hammond B3 EPS PD Disk 32--K5 Bass & Marimba EPS PD Disk 33--Conga/Tumba/Quinto/ African Perc. EPS PD Disk 34--Better E-Mu 2/ D50 Gamelan EPS PD Disk 35--Birdsong Rain/Thunder EPS PD Disk 36--OK Chorale/ Synth String / Horn Section/Bow Cym EPS PD Disk 37--Synclavier 1-6 EPS PD Disk 38--Solo String / Low Fiddle EPS PD Disk 39--Stacked - Perc./ Stacked 2 EPS PD Disk 40--Stereo Drums / E3 Bass EPS PD Disk 41--DSP 1-5 EPS PD Disk 42--Sarod EPS PD Disk 43--Pop Piano / English Horn EPS PD Disk 44--Kawai Piano/ New Strings EPS PD Disk 45--Genesis Disk/ Flange EPS PD Disk 46--Fat Synth /Mellow Steel/ Spirits/Big Fat Organ EPS Disk 1--'Works' sounds Bass /Drums/ Quitar/ Organs/ Kurz/D50/DX stuff EPS Disk 2--Drum Kit 2 EPS Disk 3--DX / D50 stuff JX10 Synbow EPS Disk 4--Satriani Echoes Drums/G&L Don Strat/Stab Brass Rock Guit./Mute Guit. EPS Disk 5--Wavebell/Synth Sax / Pno Strings/Synth Vox&Vln./ Synth Bass&Pno. 4 blk/No Waves/R&B Combo EPS Disk 6 Beat Box Plastic Drums Small Drums EPS Disk 7--MegaDrums/ Bass Med Inst/ Coz Pno/Coz-o-matic EPS Disk 8-- Indian Perc/ K5/K5 2 EPS Disk 9--TR 808/ M1 Drum 3 EPS Disk 10--Alesis Drums / Drums/Tamb/ Clap/Cyms EPS Disk 11--Strange Drums EPS Disk 12--Chimes/Timp/Orch Hits EPS Disk 13--1st Seq./1st Seq/ Seq. 01 EPS Disk 14--Drs/ El.Bass/ Strat/Stab Brass/ Mute Tr./Fl. 2/ Synth Harm/Dig.Pno The Studio/Sawtooth Synth Str/Sq. Wave/ Organ Wave/Pulse Lead/ Syn Bass&Harp/Drum Waves/ The Synth/The Master/ Funk Station/ Synth Song EPS Disk 15--Strings Solo Vln/Pizz Solo Cello/5x Strings EPS Disk 16--1000 Strings/ Tingevoice EPS Disk 17--Orch/ Min 2/ Bill Tell EPS Disk 19--Classic Horn/ 1000PX Strings/ Digbas Song EPS Disk 20--Bell Splashes/Moog Solo/ Delta 1 EPS Disk 21--40 Voice VS/Brass Inst/ Song/Echo2 EPS Disk 22--Bretts Bash/ Rikibass/Sequence EPS Disk 23--S Funk/Funk Demo/ Funk Bank EPS Disk 24--626 Sequence/ Brass Inst/626 EPS Disk 26--626 Short/AcBass/Mute Tr./K Tromb Fl.2/Kurz Tr/Brass 22/ Night in Tunisia EPS Disk 27--D50 Strings/ Breath Pipe EPS Disk 28--Drum Kit 2 EPS Disk 29--Pigs/Sheep/Horses/ Barn Bank EPS Disk 30--Stereo Drums EPS Disk 31--Arp Odyssey/Solina/Synth/Moog Ped/Prophet/Reunion'73 CRP Odyssey EPS Disk 32--Comic Nites/ Sm. Drums/Bass Vox/ Cosmo Strngs/Seq. EPS Disk 34--D50 Cello/Wabi Sabi/ Whistling EPS Disk 35--ArpCordeon/CZ Rhodeo/ Wurz Inst/ Haydn EPS Disk 36--Takahashi EP/ B&P/Seq's EPS Disk 38--DX LA 2/ K5 Bass & Marimba EPS Disk 39--Pulse Pad/ Solo Vln./Ac Bass From fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Thu Mar 26 06:27:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 06:26 PST Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA22591; Thu, 26 Mar 92 08:27:28 CST Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com ([145.2.121.131]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA07812; Thu, 26 Mar 92 08:27:10 CST Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA13377; Thu, 26 Mar 92 09:17:17 EST Message-Id: <9203261417.AA13377@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com (n/a David Schick) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 09:17:13 EST Subject: Let's try this again ... first time user's questions. To: eps@reed.edu X-Attachment: //node_27d3b/local_user/schickda/stuff/eps/eps1.mail From Bern.DoCS.UU.SE!bqt Thu Mar 26 09:20:11 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 192.36.125.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 09:19 PST Received: from Bern.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.61+IDA/KTH/LTH/1.23) id AAsunic08113; Thu, 26 Mar 92 18:19:40 +0100 Received: by Bern.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/75, SunOS 4.1.1) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA18693; Thu, 26 Mar 92 18:19:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 18:19:35 MET From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: I survived.... In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 25 Mar 92 18:29:08 -0800 Message-Id: >If there's any more of you out there, let's hear from >you. The more the merrier. Ok. Here you have another yea vote. Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus CS student at Uppsala University || on a psycidelic trip email: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se || reading murder books pdp is alive! || and tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol From ads.com!pdel Thu Mar 26 09:27:37 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 09:27 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA28685; Thu, 26 Mar 92 09:26:50 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00912; Thu, 26 Mar 92 09:26:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 09:26:50 -0800 Message-Id: <9203261726.AA00912@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: FTP votes Hey, what happened, people are sending in 'yea' votes all of a sudden! we've almost doubled from my first posting ! keep 'em coming. PD From yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!eroth Thu Mar 26 10:07:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.82.100.64 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 10:06 PST Received: by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA58937; Thu, 26 Mar 92 11:06:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 11:06:13 -0700 From: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Message-Id: <9203261806.AA58937@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: ftp,loops,thx First of all a big thanx to Scott F. for the Tec-perc stuff. Secondly, PD asked if we should ask udel about being an FTP site yet. I don't know how many sigs we have collected but were probably close to having one from everybody who is volunteering one. How about one last call for sigs from those who support a sample/sequence trading site @louie.udel. Maybe that was the last call. Lastly does anyone have experience creating your own drum loops? Care to give some insight on techniques and tricks? Thanks, Ed Roth From psychok.dialix.oz.au!leigh Thu Mar 26 10:09:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 10:08 PST Received: from uniwa.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA07754; Fri, 27 Mar 1992 04:08:39 +1000 (from leigh@psychok.dialix.oz.au) Received: by uniwa.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA12729; Fri, 27 Mar 1992 02:08:32 +0800 Received: from psychok by DIALix.oz.au id aa00160; Fri, 27 Mar 92 1:35:06 WST To: DIALix!eps@reed.edu Subject: ftp site voting & suggestions Date: Fri Mar 27 01:16:40 1992 From: leigh@psychok.DIALix.oz.au Message-Id: <9203270135.aa00160@DIALix.oz.au> >Comments? Shall we start knocking at louie.udel's door, or wait >a while for more support? I think we should wait a bit longer, lets get some accurate estimates for space together with a weightier list of requesters. To take up the big stick wielded by my fellow West Aussi, Scott Fischer, come on guys & gals... how about sending some mail to pdel@ads.com and lets get this ftp site sorted out. With 80 odd subscribers surely we can get at least half that number to vote!!! Press that r or m key... do it now!!! As a separate issue, if finding enough space to hold the entire collection seems imposs, why not split the collection over a few sites with a see also README or filename. Alternatively, we could keep the files distributed across a multitude of sites, perhaps nearest the original posters, and compile a listing file/database which is published at intervals on this mailing list and/or some news groups. We should look at ensuring EDM is the standard format over epsutil, simply so we have one and one only format - this problem of multiple formats showed up with everyone searching for yet another unarchive program - arj, no matter how good it is. If we are going to settle on a disk image method of swapping sounds - lets make it one only!!! This would make it easier to write a minimum number of converters for other samplers in the future etc etc. While we're on the subject, what compression should we store the ftp disk files in? My two cents worth: Unix compress format - as the majority of ftp stuff is .Z anyway and most users will have access to it. This message is intended to be a 'go' at everyone, so flame away if you disagree or think I'm barking up the wrong tree! Leigh From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Thu Mar 26 10:19:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.60.2.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 10:18 PST Received: by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14146; Thu, 26 Mar 92 13:18:14 EST From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Message-Id: <9203261818.AA14146@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: YES vote for FTP To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 13:18:12 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Here is my yea vote. -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil From cs.tu-berlin.de!klon Thu Mar 26 11:25:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.149.17.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 11:24 PST Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de.cs.tu-berlin.de (centime.cs.tu-berlin.de) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA15413 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.7]) for ); Thu, 26 Mar 1992 20:23:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 20:23:06 +0100 From: Florian Richter Message-Id: <199203261923.AA15413@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: yea yea. -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Florian Richter | | UUCP:klon@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de ..!{unido,pyramid}!tub!opal!klon | | BITNET: klon%tubopal@DB0TUI11.BITNET | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From eos.ncsu.edu!aabuinev Thu Mar 26 12:00:16 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 152.1.25.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 12:00 PST Received: from c00502-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu by eos05a.eos.ncsu.edu (5.65b/SAM 07-20-90 10:07:54) id AA24875; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:40:01 -0500 Posted-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:39:48 EST Received: by c00502-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA08774; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:39:52 -0500 From: aabuinev@eos.ncsu.edu Message-Id: <9203261939.AA08774@c00502-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Another vote.. Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:39:48 EST Okee dokee, I think I can get access to a PC... However, one question that I have is about the amt. of sounds I have that are PD sources... Most of the stuff I have sampled is from Sonic Youth / Public Enemy CD's and are of limited instrumental value other than sound fx. Alas.... So if anyone has a strong need to hear anything from Fear of a Black Planet or from Evol please let me know :-) ... Seriously, I'd love to contribute but am a little limited in original sounds. Aris Buinevicius From mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!bsanders Thu Mar 26 12:33:26 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.174.5.58 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 12:32 PST Received: from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu by garcon.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14489 (5.65d+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 26 Mar 1992 14:32:16 -0600 Received: by mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA02279; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:31:07 CST From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) Message-Id: <9203262031.AA02279@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Vote for .GKH To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:31:05 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] EPS 'Netters, I must sa what with the generous contribution on Mr. Hwa's part, and the offer of source code, and the elegant simplicity and useability of the GKH utilities, plus the fact that cheap suckers like me can get it for FREE, I must put in a big vote for the GKH disk-image format. (longest English sentence in history.) For me, it's the difference between getting it done, and not getting it done. I'm L-A-Z-Y. It's that simple. I'm cheap and lazy, and those darned little utilities work GREAT. They'd have to be compressed anyway. BTW - If SoftPC doesn't work for you, I've seen used monochrome PC's for like $150 or less. That's less than even the basic SoftPC package. Of course, another method would be YACL (Yet Another Conversion Utility) to convert GKH to EDM formats (Heck, why not throw in AIFF and SDS while you're at it!) Don't look at me. I'm too lazy. But it could solve some problems in this Quest for the Perfect File Format. I'll just go get my marshmellows and my Nomex suit now. Barry bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu From cs.tu-berlin.de!klon Thu Mar 26 12:45:57 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.149.17.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 12:45 PST Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de.cs.tu-berlin.de (centime.cs.tu-berlin.de) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA16000 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.7]) for ); Thu, 26 Mar 1992 21:45:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 21:45:14 +0100 From: Florian Richter Message-Id: <199203262045.AA16000@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS NEWS (?) EPS News at the Frankfurt Music Fair 1. 'SYNTEC' (a small german company) presents a built-in harddisk for the EPS 16+ and EPS 16+ Rack. The kit consists of an 2,5" SCSI HD, a special connector and a small 5V power supply. The power supply is mounted underneath the diskdrive and the HD above the mainboard. It costs about 2000,-- DM (80 MB). 2. A Rumor was told, that Ensoniq will release a new OS for the 16+ series in a few weeks. This version can load instruments while the internal sequencer is running. Has anyone heard about it? Is it available in the US? Can someone mail it? Florian. P.S. I missed some mails from eps@reed.edu (while in Frankfurt ...). What is 'EDM'? -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Florian Richter | | UUCP:klon@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de ..!{unido,pyramid}!tub!opal!klon | | BITNET: klon%tubopal@DB0TUI11.BITNET | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From fl08-g.comm.mot.com!schickda Thu Mar 26 12:50:32 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.188.136.100 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 12:50 PST Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA27738; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:51:21 CST Received: from fl08-g.comm.mot.com ([145.2.121.131]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14501; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:51:17 CST Received: by fl08-g.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA14979; Thu, 26 Mar 92 15:41:28 EST Message-Id: <9203262041.AA14979@fl08-g.comm.mot.com> From: schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com (n/a David Schick) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 15:41:24 EST Subject: Having mail trouble. This better make it! To: eps@reed.edu Greetings fellow EPS users! This is my first letter to the group, so I have a lot of questions. I would greatly appreciate responses to any of them. 1) I recently purchased an EPS16-PLUS Turbo. Will I eventually have the nagging problems other EPS owners seem to be having? 2) I have the ftp program here, but don't know how to transfer samples with it. How do I do this? Do I have to get the samples in a PC format first? (I have a mallet cymbal roll btw) 3) When I am in Multi MIDI receive mode, I cannot seem to get the external controller to control the effects. Is this possible? The manual is no help. Thanks in advance! Unexpectedly, Zoltan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | schickda@fl08-g.comm.mot.com | | |               | Father nose best. | |              | | |               | | |              | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From UALR.EDU!jabussey Thu Mar 26 13:07:04 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 13:06 PST Received: from backup.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Thu, 26 Mar 1992 15:05 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 3317; Thu, 26 Mar 1992 15:03:19 EST Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 15:03:16 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: RE: FTP votes Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: pdel@ads.com Cc: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <0095829E.C64BFC80.3317@ualr.edu> I vote Yes on ftp! From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Thu Mar 26 13:48:27 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.60.2.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 13:48 PST Received: by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21038; Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:47:57 EST From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Message-Id: <9203262147.AA21038@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: Another vote for .GKH To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:47:56 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] I concur with Mr. Sander's remarks to go with the PD epsutils for disk exchange. Any machine which can read PC format disks should eventually support this file format. It's not surprising to me (an avid Mac user) that a PC program is the first to provide this capability for the EPS, but I imagine other machines will catch up (Necessity is the mother of invention). I have the "epsutils" in hand and have successfully received and played Scott Fisher's contribution with no difficulty. Reason's to go with the public domain epsutils: 1) It's free. 2) It works. 3) As Scott demonstrated, file size is essentially the same after compression. (What's a few K among friends?) If people desire the additional functionality provided by the EDM package, (as I think I may), it's there for the asking. I imagine EDM will still sell well for the additional features it offers even if we don't adopt it for sample-net exchange. Thanks for listening, -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil From noc.vitalink.com!ejm Thu Mar 26 13:54:00 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.240.18.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 13:53 PST Received: from yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM by mescal.NOC.Vitalink.COM with SMTP id AA22713 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 26 Mar 1992 13:48:47 -0800 Received: from loopback by yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM (5.65+V1.2/V1.3) id AA18544; Thu, 26 Mar 92 13:52:40 -0800 Message-Id: <9203262152.AA18544@yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: FTP votes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 92 15:03:16 EST." <0095829E.C64BFC80.3317@ualr.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 13:52:39 -0800 From: ejm@noc.vitalink.com Count me too! I can't contribute much (Yet) but I can contribute an ftp site and space. Help, my EPS-16 needs to be let out of its cage! ... Erik --- Erik Murrey Vitalink Communications ejm@Vitalink.com ... vitanoc!ejm From mentor.cc.purdue.edu!greenejl Thu Mar 26 14:16:32 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.210.10.8 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:16 PST Received: by mentor.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA08732; Thu, 26 Mar 92 17:16:03 -0500 From: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Greene) Message-Id: <9203262216.AA08732@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: 1 more for .gkh To: eps@reed.edu (Ensoniq EPS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 17:16:03 EST Hi! I agree with Mr. Sanders and Mr. Adamson, the free and useful utility is the way to go. It is also easer for new people to try it out. They aren't forced to buy someone's product (no matter how good it is, and it sounds very nice) just to join in to share and contribute to an ftp site/mailling list. Just my opinion, Jon Greene From ads.com!pdel Thu Mar 26 14:25:51 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:24 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA01387; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:24:08 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00885; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:24:06 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:24:06 -0800 Message-Id: <9203262224.AA00885@bert.ads.com> To: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu Subject: Re: 1 more for .gkh Cc: eps@reed.edu >Hi! I agree with Mr. Sanders and Mr. Adamson, the free and useful utility is the way to go. You Shareware guys are really taking over. I'm melting...I'm mell..ting.... PD From yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!eroth Thu Mar 26 14:41:16 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.82.100.64 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 14:41 PST Received: by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA56751; Thu, 26 Mar 92 15:40:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 15:40:59 -0700 From: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Message-Id: <9203262240.AA56751@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: FTP site? Did I read Erik Murrey's message right? Was he really volunteering an FTP site? Maybe if more site possibilities arise we won't have to worry about bombarding anyone's disk space. We might even designate certain sites for specific formats or sample types?! EdOv From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Thu Mar 26 15:48:11 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.105.113.52 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 15:47 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA15643; Thu, 26 Mar 92 17:47:55 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA26304; Thu, 26 Mar 92 17:49:23 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203262349.AA26304@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: ftp site voting & suggestions To: leigh@psychok.DIALix.oz.au Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 17:49:23 CDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9203270135.aa00160@DIALix.oz.au>; from "leigh@psychok.DIALix.oz.au" at Mar 27, 92 1:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Well it seems to me that the free PD PC program has the most immediate potential. I vote to support it rather than the EDM. I think individual requests for emailed disks will work if we can't find the ftp site, since I don't think everyone will want everything all at once, or will they? Otherwise, has anyone contacted the louie.udel site? From denial.reed.edu!niski Thu Mar 26 16:21:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.65 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:20 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:20 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:20 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Surprise! (or: all right already!!!) Dear subscribers: i've been granted temporary use of a NeXT cube by the kind folks at NeXT (courtesy of our campus NeXT student-consultant). It has roughly 140 MB of free disk space. It is now set up as a (guess what?!) anonymous ftp site for our sample files. Caveat #1: i/we have use of this machine only until NeXT decides they want it back, which could be any day now. If such an unfortunate thing should come to pass, i'll try to back up the files until we can locate another site. Caveat #2: i suspect we'll fill that 140 megabytes by next Monday, if the recent email-exchange of disk images is any indication of how popular this will be. i guess we can worry about appointing an editorial/moderating board if and when this happens, so somebody would be responsible for reviewing submissions before making them ftp-able. i don't particularly like this idea, as it goes against the wonderful free-spirited exchange that's already taking place. Also, i don't have time to review sounds (though if Scott Fisher volunteers, i'll vote for him ;-). Formats: i'd like to limit the submissions to 2 formats: the free .gkh format for disk images, and aiff files for raw wavesample data (though i doubt we'll see many of those :-( Also, anyone uploading a file should uuencode it first (i just don't trust binary ftp, especially on these funny black boxes), so things are ftp'd in ascii mode. If you need help using uuencode, ask your local unix guru. Here are the directories i've set up (note that guests have write access only to the "incoming" directory). Please name your files so that i'll know where to put them (either .aiff or .gkh). Sometime relatively soon i'll put the epsread and epswrite utilities there, as well as an all-purpose soundfile-format converter for the Macintosh. drwxr-xr-x 2 niski 1024 Mar 26 15:24 aiff drwxr-xr-x 2 niski 1024 Mar 26 15:24 gkh drwxrwxrwx 2 niski 1024 Mar 26 15:23 incoming drwxr-xr-x 2 niski 1024 Mar 26 15:24 utils Finally, note that this is a different host machine than where our mailing-list archives are stored! You should ftp anonymously to: denial.reed.edu and change directory to /pub to see the dirs. listed above. denial is NOT a registered host within the reed.edu domain, so don't get worried if you can't finger or ping there. This machine gets rebooted occasionally (stupid cubes!), so if you can't get through at first, do try again. Send problem reports or queries to me, not the entire list. Enjoy! playing Santa in March, Joe --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 Macintosh is the OS i love to hate, UNIX is the OS i hate to love. From pcocd2.intel.com!dcovell Thu Mar 26 16:38:38 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.215.65.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:38 PST Received: from pcocd2.intel.com by hermes.intel.com (5.65/10.0i); Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:38:05 -0800 Received: by pcocd2 (5.57/10.0i); Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:36:09 -0800 From: dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell - EPG) Received: by frx750 (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/SCDT-RS6000) id AA21764; Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:36:07 -0800 Message-Id: <9203270036.AA21764@frx750> Subject: Ultimate piano/B3 samples To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 16:36:05 PST Reply-To: dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I have an older EPS and am in desperate search for really good piano and B3 samples. The Ensoniq ones (Grand 76 for EPS and Bosendorfer for EPS 16+) really sound awful to me. I have a 4x so size isn't a problem. I need the samples for studio work and thus don't care if they fill up the entire memory as long as they sound good. I can't understand why a 3000-block piano sample like Bosen- dorfer for EPS 16+ doesn't sound nearly as good as the piano samples in many ROM sample players where memory is restricted. I'll pay any reasonable price for these samples. Please respond and restore my faith in the potential of the EPS. Actually I need a source for high-quality samples of most orchestral instruments, especially strings and woodwinds. Why do the Ensoniq samples sound so bad in most cases? dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com From denial.reed.edu!niski Thu Mar 26 17:33:11 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.65 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 17:32 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 17:32 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 17:32 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: uuencode (Joe breaks down and offers unix support) cc: Stephen Gregory Hello Stephen and everyone else: uuencode will increase the file size by up to 30%, according to our local man page, (which is almost the worst man page in terms of usability, though the man page for tar is my favorite) - "remote dest" in that man page actually means "the name you want the file to have when it's decoded at the other end". anyway, say your image file is foo.zip; if you type this: uuencode foo.zip foo.zip the file will be encoded to standard output (your terminal) - yuk! So, we use one of the joys of unix, redirection, to put the encoded data into a file: uuencode foo.zip foo.zip > foo.zip.uu then you ftp the sucker. To decode the file, you'd type: uudecode foo.zip.uu > foo.zip Have fun, folks. The epsread & epswrite utils are now in the utils directory on denial.reed.edu. Wasn't it a Psalmist who said to "make a joyful noise"?? Seems appropriate here. --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 Macintosh is the OS i love to hate, UNIX is the OS i hate to love. From DIALix.oz.au!steveq Thu Mar 26 19:09:58 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 19:08 PST Received: from uniwa.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA21233; Fri, 27 Mar 1992 13:08:21 +1000 (from steveq@DIALix.oz.au) Received: by uniwa.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA05703; Fri, 27 Mar 1992 11:08:16 +0800 From: Steve Quartly X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Atari supports EDM's .EFE!!! Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 10:51:16 WST Message-Id: <9203271051.aa18647@DIALix.oz.au> Hi guys, This is my first letter on this mailing list, and basically my first on this whole network computer idea. I have just finished writing software, well almost, one or 2 more bugs to go, for the Atari ST which will support the .EFE file. This means any Atari can read and convert any IBM .EFE file for the EPS 16+. Are there any Atari ST owners out there who could use this??? It will also write O.S. disks, format disks 2 at once if you have dual drives! Print disk labels, Give directories of the whole disk on thew screen at once, including BANKS, SONGS/SEQS, INST, SYSEX, MACRO, DIRS, SEQS... etc. Not to mention deleting & renaming disks. When I learn how to use FTP mail, Ill post it into the mailing list, it is shareware if you like to donate to my very unhealthy bank account! How many of you would use it???? If there are enough of you, I will make it support the .EDE file AND it will de-fragment disks for you (provided you have at least one free block on the disk, and a little time!) Hope this makes it to the mailing list! See ya, Steve Q. Perth, Australia. From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Thu Mar 26 19:50:53 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 19:50 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA05631; Fri, 27 Mar 1992 11:49:32 +0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 11:49:32 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203270349.AA05631@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: FORMATS Hi Guy's... I think we all should calm down a bit :-) I am working with King Hwa (I'll send you part 2 again King Hwa) to get his PD utility to support the EDM (EDE) format. If all goes well King Hwa, will be able to release VERSION 2 which will create disk-image files compatable with EDM. Actually you have all seen the post from STEVE QUARTERLY by now? Well he has hacked the EDM .EFE (file) format already for his Atari program. I'll get onto getting steveq in touch with King Hwa. THe end result of all this IF WE WAIT A BIT :-) is that there will be ONE file format and 3 different programs supporting it. NOW, I'm sure King Hwa can make it so that his PD software will still read his original format as well as EDM (.EDE, disk-image) so that the files that have already been created can still be used. What I am saying is, that if we can wait a bit longer (obviously you can email each other to your hearts content) and not fill an FTP site up with King Hwa's version 1.0 disk-image format. We can give King Hwa a chance to support the .EFE format which will become the STANDARD. Thus people on MACS, ATARIS, PC's with either STEVE-Q's KING HWA's or GARY GEIBLERS programs will all be able to swap sounds. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From uhura.cc.rochester.edu!swb1_ltd Thu Mar 26 20:31:33 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.151.224.17 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 20:31 PST Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA24857; Thu, 26 Mar 92 23:31:00 EST From: Steve Berkley Message-Id: <9203270431.AA24857@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: EPS image->Mac File To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 23:30:59 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I agree this is all getting rather complicated, there are different programs popping up for different machines... How different could the formats actually be? Actually, I started working on a program for the Mac tonite... Right now, it will read an EPS16+ disk and save it as a mac file- 800K always. Its very simple, and I'm sure it wouldn't take too much work to get it to write an EPS disk as well... I could continue this, or, if someone else is further along, I could bail out. But it is kind of fun to hack on it.... -Steve Berkley U of Rochester/Eastman School of Music From world.std.com!djk Thu Mar 26 22:35:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 137.39.1.7 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 26 Mar 92 22:35 PST Received: from world.std.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA09901; Fri, 27 Mar 92 01:35:15 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.61+++/Spike-2.0) id AA23752; Fri, 27 Mar 92 01:35:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 1:35:12 EST From: Dan J Keldsen To: Steve Berkley , eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS image->Mac File In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 26 Mar 92 23:30:59 EST Message-Id: > Actually, I started working on a program for the Mac tonite... Right > now, it will read an EPS16+ disk and save it as a mac file- 800K > always. Its very simple, and I'm sure it wouldn't take too much work > to get it to write an EPS disk as well... > > I could continue this, or, if someone else is further along, I could > bail out. But it is kind of fun to hack on it.... > > -Steve Berkley I don't know if anybody is farther along on the trail, but PLEASE continue your work on a Mac->EPS/EPS16+ disk imager. I know several EPS/EPS16+ owners here in Boston, that would love to have this kind of functionality, since nobody wants to have to format disks on the EPS. Will this be compatible with what the IBM folks are using? Dan Keldsen djk@world.std.com From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Fri Mar 27 00:53:02 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 00:52 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA06098; Fri, 27 Mar 1992 16:51:26 +0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 16:51:26 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203270851.AA06098@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Compatability of formats COMPATABILITY: I thought I'd just summarise the various formats that are out there and voice myideas about the way I think we should go... Platform/Software Author Disk Image File Image ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM/EDM Gary Geibler Yes (.EDE) Yes (.EFE) IBM/epsread,write King Hwa Yes (*) No Atari/see (1) Steve Quartly No (.EDE soon) Yes (.EFE) MAC/Under Development Steve Berkley Yes (*) No ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- * = Unique image format; (1) = title to be announced (Steve told me, I forget) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Berkley's eyes have just poped out of his head, You have just been designated the official Mac/EPS disk-utility programmer :-) Programs can make two kinds of output files, disk-image or file-image. At the moment it seems that the disk-image is the most popular file output. At present we have two IBM programs, one Atari package and hopefuly soon one Mac? I'd like to strongly support the idea of copying Gary Geiblers disk-image format .EDE, steveq@dialix.oz.au has sorted it out and assures me it is quite straight forward. I have also taken it upon myself to let you all know he will soon post an article about it :-) I can post .EDE and King Hwa's disk image file of the same disk, to anyone who wants an example of the .EDE format and wants to compare it to their own. If we can get all the software making .EDE format disk-image files you can see how Atari, IBM and Mac users will all be able to swap sounds with ease. It appears to me we are in the unique position in the music-software feild of creating a common standard. It would be a shame if this was not at least attempted. What we will have to do however, is display a little patience while people implement the .EDE format. Sure we can have version 1.0 of every ones software using unique disk-image formats, but version 2.0 could see a common .EDE format. Sound like a good idea? Regards Scott _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From UALR.EDU!jabussey Fri Mar 27 04:28:20 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 144.167.10.38 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 04:28 PST Received: from spider.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Fri, 27 Mar 1992 06:26 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 3337; Fri, 27 Mar 1992 06:23:24 EST Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 06:23:06 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: FTP and stuff Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <0095831F.45C5BF20.3337@ualr.edu> >We should look at ensuring EDM is the standard format over epsutil, >simply so we have one and one only format - this problem of multiple >formats showed up with everyone searching for yet another unarchive >program - arj, no matter how good it is. If we are going to settle >on a disk image method of swapping sounds - lets make it one only!!! *Jacque Snatches Leigh's $.02 and turns up his flame thrower!* just kiddin. But really, Until Gary lets his format out the only way I and others will be able to get in on the trade is using the epsutils. I agree with the UNIX method of storing things tar then compress the files. That way everyone can uncompress the file on thier host computer then download. Well thats my $.05. Jacque Bussey Shack Jam Prod. P.S. Anyone know anything about the fostex AD-80 8 track reel to reel? From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Fri Mar 27 06:43:31 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.60.2.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 06:43 PST Received: by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05558; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:42:57 EST From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Message-Id: <9203271442.AA05558@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: EPS disk formats To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 9:42:55 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] >NOW, I'm sure King Hwa can make it so that his PD software will >still read his original format as well as EDM (.EDE, disk-image) >so that the files that have already been created can still be used. >What I am saying is, that if we can wait a bit longer ... Although I'm chomping at the bit, I can wait.... It gives me more time to create more samples and clean up others for public display. A cross-platform format standard is very important ... we're closer to having that than I originally thought. -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Fri Mar 27 07:51:17 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.105.113.52 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 07:51 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA06460; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:50:58 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA04445; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:52:26 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203271552.AA04445@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: EPS image->Mac File To: swb1_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Steve Berkley) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 9:52:25 CDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9203270431.AA24857@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>; from "Steve Berkley" at Mar 26, 92 11:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] > Actually, I started working on a program for the Mac tonite... > Right now, it will read an EPS16+ disk and save it as a mac > file- 800K always. Its very simple, and I'm sure it wouldn't > take too much work to get it to write an EPS disk as well... > > I could continue this, or, if someone else is further along, > I could bail out. But it is kind of fun to hack on it.... > > -Steve Berkley > U of Rochester/Eastman School of Music > > More power to you! However, how many people would rather create an ftp site that could be used by other sampler owners too? Wouldn't it be more universally useful if we stored AIFF files only and were writing utilities for each machine that could convert aiff to the desired sampler format? From uhura.cc.rochester.edu!swb1_ltd Fri Mar 27 08:08:52 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.151.224.17 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 08:08 PST Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA12522; Fri, 27 Mar 92 11:06:43 EST Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 11:06:43 EST From: Steve Berkley Message-Id: <9203271606.AA12522@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS->Mac Image Okay, I'll continue working on the software. But if we are to have any compatibility at all, I'll need some information on other formats (ie. EDE) and an example or two so I can hack on them..... I plan on the first version being quite simple: Format Disks, EPS->Image on mac, and Image on mac->EPS disk. I'll also have it show the contents on each disk inserted. In a later version, I could try for all sorts of nifties, like copying instruments, sequences, etc. between images, defragmenting, etc. We'll see. I know what I'll be doing this weekend. -SB From hpgrrd.gr.hp.com!daver Fri Mar 27 08:16:08 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 15.255.152.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 08:15 PST Received: from hpgrrd.gr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA25009; Fri, 27 Mar 92 08:15:54 -0800 Received: by hpgrrd.gr.hp.com (15.11/15.5+IOS 3.20) id AA17143; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:15:57 mst Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:15:57 mst From: Dave Ruska Message-Id: <9203271615.AA17143@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: ftp, formats,etc Cc: daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com In regards to ftp site storage proposal: Joe Niski writes: > Also, anyone uploading a file should uuencode it first (i just don't > trust binary ftp, especially on these funny black boxes), so things > are ftp'd in ascii mode. If you need help using uuencode, ask your > local unix guru. Are we (you) REALLY sure we want to use uuencode to store files on the ftp site? Generally uuencode/decode is used for mail transmission. Most ftp sites store files compressed (.Z), tar'ed and compressed (tar.Z), zipped (.zip), etc., all of which are binary files. Besides the size increase (the compressed EPS 1.49 OS disk expanded from 65K to 89K), it also adds complexity to the submitter and the retriever. Some platforms may not have uuencode/uudecode handy (eg. I couldn't find it on my secretaries PC, but it DOES have FTP). Granted, we could put a copy of uudecode under utilities (do we uuencode it?) but what I'm trying to say is, "Do we really need to uuencode?" Just asking. Scott (down under) Fisher Writes: > I am working with King Hwa (I'll send you part 2 again King Hwa) > to get his PD utility to support the EDM (EDE) format. If all > goes well King Hwa, will be able to release VERSION 2 which will > create disk-image files compatable with EDM. > ... > The end result of all this IF WE WAIT A BIT :-) is that there will > be ONE file format and 3 different programs supporting it. I agree. One format. Jacque Bussey writes: > But really, Until Gary lets his format out the only way > I and others will be able to get in on the trade is using the epsutils. > I agree with the UNIX method of storing things tar then compress the files. > That way everyone can uncompress the file on thier host computer then > download. Yup. Scott Fisher writes: > I'd like to strongly support the idea of copying Gary Geiblers > disk-image format .EDE, steveq@dialix.oz.au has sorted it out and assures > me it is quite straight forward. I have also taken it upon myself to let > you all know he will soon post an article about it :-) I'd love to see the documentation for this format so I can write a program for UNIX. Actually there shouldn't be much difference between UNIX and a PC (or maybe even a MAC) if all the program does is add/remove a header to a disk image. I assume we all write in "C" now. Anyone want to post or mail me their source ? This might be helpful for people on other platforms (AMIGA, DEC, DOMAIN, etc....) as well. Scott did a great job on summarizing the various Software, Disk Image, and File Image formats. I prosose the we work on getting Software for the Disk Image format (.EDE) going on as many platforms as possible. Later we add the File Image (.EFE) support. P.S. I've got 95 PD discs (62.7 MB compressed) already loaded on my UNIX system just *WAITING* for a standard (documented) format so I can start sharing them with the "World". Regards Dave (Scott, this .sigs for you) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dave Ruska [daver@hpgrla.gr.hp.com COLORADO, USA ------------- Hewlett Packard | ^x | Greeley Colorado | x^x [*] <----- Greeley N | x^x | W+E | x^x | S | x^x | ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hpsadlu.sad.hp.com!smithj Fri Mar 27 09:21:48 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 15.255.152.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:21 PST Received: from hpsadlu.sad.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA28491; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:21:39 -0800 Received: by hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (15.11/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA14837; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:21:38 pst Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:21:38 pst From: Jim Smith Message-Id: <9203271721.AA14837@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Post the format! So, is there any chance of getting Gary Geibler's file format posted to this group so we could all work on it? Also, it is very difficult for me to ftp, as it is disallowed from my work for security reasons. Is there any possibility at all of getting a mail server set up on our ftp site? (I know, it's a long shot, but it's all I've got...) Regards, - Jim Smith smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com ObQuote: Curiosity killed the cat, but for awhile, I was a suspect. ______________________________________________________________________________ From denial.reed.edu!niski Fri Mar 27 09:25:50 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.65 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:25 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:25 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:25 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: ftp, formats,etc (uuencode clatification) > In regards to ftp site storage proposal: > > Joe Niski writes: > > > Also, anyone uploading a file should uuencode it first (i just don't > > trust binary ftp, especially on these funny black boxes), so things > > are ftp'd in ascii mode. If you need help using uuencode, ask your > > local unix guru. > > Are we (you) REALLY sure we want to use uuencode to store files on > the ftp site? Generally uuencode/decode is used for mail transmission. > Most ftp sites store files compressed (.Z), tar'ed and compressed (tar.Z), > zipped (.zip), etc., all of which are binary files. Besides the size > increase (the compressed EPS 1.49 OS disk expanded from 65K to 89K), > it also adds complexity to the submitter and the retriever. Some platforms > may not have uuencode/uudecode handy (eg. I couldn't find it on my > secretaries PC, but it DOES have FTP). Granted, we could put a copy > of uudecode under utilities (do we uuencode it?) but what I'm trying > to say is, "Do we really need to uuencode?" Just asking. > Well, i'd like to see things uuencoded. Again, i've had mixed experiences with cross-platform binary ftp. The second reason for uuencoding things is that several members of this list don't have ftp access to the internet, so i'm going to need to set up a mail server for sending the files via email to the poor souls who don't have ftp before too long. Some of the submissions have already been compressed with the DOS zip utility - that's OK for now, until the Amiga, Atari, and Mac (can't wait!!!!!) utils are available, then we'll probably need to decide on a more universal format. In terms of ease for senders & retrievers: well, we're already getting some other computer to read & write eps disks, and it looks like folks will be zip-ing files as well, so i don't think uuencode/decode is too much extra hassle. (Especially for us Mac users who have to deal with MS-DOS in order to take advantage of all this.) Finally, a clarification of my instructions for uudecoding files: i wrote: To decode the file, you'd type: uudecode foo.zip.uu > foo.zip well, it's easier than that. Simply type: uudecode foo.zip.uu That will create foo.zip, while leaving uudecode foo.zip.uu in the directory as well. Keep those disk images coming, folks! --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 Macintosh is the OS i love to hate, UNIX is the OS i hate to love. From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Fri Mar 27 10:14:07 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.105.113.52 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 10:13 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA20756; Fri, 27 Mar 92 12:13:49 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA04623; Fri, 27 Mar 92 12:15:17 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203271815.AA04623@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: offer? To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 12:15:16 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] I don't seem to have received the tek-perk disk image that others have, could the original pos(t)er :) please resend it to me? Thank you. From eos.ncsu.edu!aabuinev Fri Mar 27 10:55:18 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 152.1.25.6 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 10:55 PST Received: from c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu by eos05a.eos.ncsu.edu (5.65b/SAM 07-20-90 10:07:54) id AA20904; Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:54:52 -0500 Posted-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:54:43 EST Received: by c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA14519; Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:54:47 -0500 From: aabuinev@eos.ncsu.edu Message-Id: <9203271854.AA14519@c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: ftp, formats,etc (uuencode clatification) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:54:43 EST I agree with Joe on the uuencode issue... (Because I'm 90% sure that I will be one of the poor saps w/o ftp access when I enter the 'real world' in a few months)... I'd also love to see what other people have been generating in sequences (I love great drum beats; a program for the Amiga called "SuperJam!" has been mesmerizing me for months now just with their drum loop builder) ... Also, is there anyone else out there who owns an Amiga and is interested in this swap-o-thon? Scott, that doesn't mean you can delegate me as official Amiga porter :-) :-) ; since I have an ancient version of Lattice C and don't see having the time to get an upgrade in anytime less than 3 months (grad school bites). Thanks to all who have made this a reality so far, this looks like it will be a great thing once it's rolling... Aris Buinevicius From noc.vitalink.com!ejm Fri Mar 27 11:06:14 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.240.18.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 11:06 PST Received: from vitam6.ENG.Vitalink.COM by mescal.NOC.Vitalink.COM with SMTP id AA09254 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 27 Mar 1992 11:01:21 -0800 Received: from [132.240.18.14] by vitam6.ENG.Vitalink.COM (5.65+V1.2/V1.3) id AA00772; Tue, 10 Mar 92 15:50:02 -0800 Received: by cactus.NOC.Vitalink.COM (5.65+V1.2/V1.3) id AA01956; Fri, 27 Mar 92 11:04:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 11:04:18 -0800 From: ejm@noc.vitalink.com (Erik Murrey) Message-Id: <9203271904.AA01956@cactus.NOC.Vitalink.COM> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: File Formats and Checksumming Do any of the current EPS portable file formats have checksums built-in? This is a must. The checksum can be added by the reader and checked/stripped off by the writer. This would eliminate the uuencode stuff. You just binary ftp the file and if it doesn't pass the checksum during write, then you need to try again. Adding two/four bytes is nothing compared to the agony of uuencode or loading trashed samples. Just my $0.0x ... Erik --- Erik Murrey Vitalink Communications ejm@vitalink.com From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Fri Mar 27 11:41:05 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.60.2.2 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 11:40 PST Received: by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14132; Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:40:31 EST From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Message-Id: <9203271940.AA14132@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: EPS sample archive (What is in a name?) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:40:30 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] > > Thanks also for naming your file in a way that hints at what's > inside. > It's a very subtle hint... In retrospect, a different instrument name may have been more appropriate, after listening to the sample it sounds more and more like a synth pad instead of any type of horn. I guess because I ended up using the EPS chorus effect. On a related note, as the database of disk images grows, it may be appropriate that each disk image include a short readme text file along with the disk image .uu file. I don't know how difficult this may be to pull off, but I propose: FTP sites with EPS disk image files (in whatever format) include short text descriptions of the disk image (e.g. Sample/Instrument description, block sizes, Disk ID, etc) separate from the .uu disk image file. For example, when I submit a disk image "wildhorn.gkh.zip.uu", I also submit "wildhorn.doc" which is a text file in a standard format such as: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disk Image: wildhorn.gkh.zip.uu Disk ID: RBA 001 Instrument 1: WILDEHORN Blocks: 1428 Description: A synth-pad which started out as a horn-like texture created with Digidesign's SoftSynth package on the Mac. Instrument 2: (and so on if applicable) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps the archive site could automatically take these *.doc files as they are submitted into an "incoming" directory and append them to a info listing/directory type file. This file (or individual *.doc files if concatencation isn't possible) could be reviewed by potential downloaders of sounds before retrieving the actual disk image file. This does the following for the net and users of the archive: 1) Minimizes traffic loading to the net of people grabbing large disk images they may have not wanted had they read a description first. Snagging a relatively small text description of the samples availabled doesn't load the net (or server) much. 2) It would be a shame for someone to spend alot of time (their own, the net's, and the server's) downloading a disk image only to find that the instrument contained requires EPS memory expansion which they don't yet have. 3) Finally, as I noticed in my own uploading experience above, the name of a disk image (when limited to 8 chars) doesn't do much to describe the sounds contained. I'm submitting this idea/message to the eps-net for member consideration and comment. (It stemmed from a discussion with Joe Niski on disk image names) -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil From mentor.cc.purdue.edu!greenejl Fri Mar 27 13:01:22 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.210.10.8 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:01 PST Received: by mentor.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA27917; Fri, 27 Mar 92 16:01:05 -0500 From: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Greene) Message-Id: <9203272101.AA27917@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Re: offer? To: eps@reed.edu (Ensoniq EPS Mailing List) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 16:01:03 EST In-Reply-To: <9203271815.AA04623@drum.ils.nwu.edu>; from "Michael Aieta" at Mar 27, 92 12:15 pm > > > I don't seem to have received the tek-perk disk image that others have, > could the original pos(t)er :) please resend it to me? > > Thank you. > > > I never got my copy either. Please send me a copy too. Thank you, Jon Greene greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 27 14:27:11 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:25 PST Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA07556; Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:25:20 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA03715; Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:25:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:25:18 -0800 Message-Id: <9203272225.AA03715@deimos.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: An observation After just ftp'ing an EPS file out to someone, I just realized (duh) how much easier an ftp file is to prepare, not to mention the effort saved to unpack it. Just more incentive to get an ftp site :) PD From hpsadlu.sad.hp.com!smithj Fri Mar 27 14:38:30 1992 Return-Path: Received: from local by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:21 PST Received: from hpsadlu.sad.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA28491; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:21:39 -0800 Received: by hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (15.11/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA14837; Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:21:38 pst Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 09:21:38 pst From: Jim Smith Message-Id: <9203271721.AA14837@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Post the format! So, is there any chance of getting Gary Geibler's file format posted to this group so we could all work on it? Also, it is very difficult for me to ftp, as it is disallowed from my work for security reasons. Is there any possibility at all of getting a mail server set up on our ftp site? (I know, it's a long shot, but it's all I've got...) Regards, - Jim Smith smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com ObQuote: Curiosity killed the cat, but for awhile, I was a suspect. ______________________________________________________________________________ From noc.vitalink.com!ejm Fri Mar 27 14:54:08 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 132.240.18.13 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:52 PST Received: from yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM by mescal.NOC.Vitalink.COM with SMTP id AA12414 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 27 Mar 1992 14:47:37 -0800 Received: from localhost by yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM (5.65+V1.2/V1.3) id AA22351; Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:51:37 -0800 Message-Id: <9203272251.AA22351@yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: File Formats and Checksumming Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 14:51:35 -0800 From: ejm@noc.vitalink.com Do any of the current EPS portable file formats have checksums built-in? This is a must. The checksum can be added by the reader and checked/stripped off by the writer. This would eliminate the uuencode stuff. You just binary ftp the file and if it doesn't pass the checksum during write, then you need to try again. Adding two/four bytes is nothing compared to the agony of uuencode or loading trashed samples. Just my $0.0x ... Erik --- Erik Murrey Vitalink Communications ejm@vitalink.com From denial.reed.edu!niski Fri Mar 27 15:05:01 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 134.10.2.65 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 15:04 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 15:04 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 15:04 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS sample archive (What is in a name?) Brian Adamson said: > On a related note, as the database of disk images grows, it may be > appropriate that each disk image include a short readme text file > along with the disk image .uu file. I don't know how difficult this > may be to pull off, but I propose: > > FTP sites with EPS disk image files (in whatever format) > include short text descriptions of the disk image (e.g. > Sample/Instrument description, block sizes, Disk ID, > etc) separate from the .uu disk image file. For example, > when I submit a disk image "wildhorn.gkh.zip.uu", I also > submit "wildhorn.doc" which is a text file in a standard > format such as: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Disk Image: wildhorn.gkh.zip.uu > Disk ID: RBA 001 > > Instrument 1: WILDEHORN > Blocks: 1428 > Description: A synth-pad which started out as a horn-like texture created > with Digidesign's SoftSynth package on the Mac. > > Instrument 2: (and so on if applicable) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- i'll second Brian's suggestions for README files accompanying each disk image. If the disk imafe is named foo.gkh.zip.uu, the readme file should be called foo.readme. Also, PLEASE include in the readme file whether the disk will work only in an EPS 16+, or whether we poor souls with original EPS's can use it. (hint, hint). --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 Macintosh is the OS i love to hate, UNIX is the OS i hate to love. From eos.ncsu.edu!aabuinev Fri Mar 27 15:21:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: from local by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 10:55 PST Received: from c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu by eos05a.eos.ncsu.edu (5.65b/SAM 07-20-90 10:07:54) id AA20904; Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:54:52 -0500 Posted-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:54:43 EST Received: by c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA14519; Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:54:47 -0500 From: aabuinev@eos.ncsu.edu Message-Id: <9203271854.AA14519@c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: ftp, formats,etc (uuencode clatification) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 13:54:43 EST I agree with Joe on the uuencode issue... (Because I'm 90% sure that I will be one of the poor saps w/o ftp access when I enter the 'real world' in a few months)... I'd also love to see what other people have been generating in sequences (I love great drum beats; a program for the Amiga called "SuperJam!" has been mesmerizing me for months now just with their drum loop builder) ... Also, is there anyone else out there who owns an Amiga and is interested in this swap-o-thon? Scott, that doesn't mean you can delegate me as official Amiga porter :-) :-) ; since I have an ancient version of Lattice C and don't see having the time to get an upgrade in anytime less than 3 months (grad school bites). Thanks to all who have made this a reality so far, this looks like it will be a great thing once it's rolling... Aris Buinevicius From csrd.uiuc.edu!bordner Fri Mar 27 15:41:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.174.162.46 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 15:40 PST Received: from sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu by s46.csrd.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27458 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 27 Mar 1992 17:40:51 -0600 Received: by sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03144; Fri, 27 Mar 92 17:40:51 CST Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 17:40:51 CST From: bordner@csrd.uiuc.edu (James Bordner) Message-Id: <9203272340.AA03144@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Post the format! Cc: bordner@csrd.uiuc.edu > Also, it is very difficult for me to ftp, as it is disallowed from my work > for security reasons. Is there any possibility at all of getting a mail > server set up on our ftp site? (I know, it's a long shot, but it's all I've > got...) > > Regards, > - Jim Smith smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com Are there many people on this list in this situation? If there are a lot, and if they can convice me that it's worth my time, I might be able to hack out an automatic, or at least semi-automatic, mail server. I haven't done anything like this before so I don't know how involved it would be, but I think it is in principle possible. I'll look into it... --james P.S. So, am I the ONLY one on this list without access to a computer with MIDI? Anyone know how to connect a modem to an EPS? ;-) From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 27 15:51:26 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.19 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 15:51 PST Received: by saturn.ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA08603; Fri, 27 Mar 92 15:50:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 15:50:35 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Message-Id: <9203272350.AA08603@saturn.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: NOT about the ftp stuff! (Would you believe it) Sorry, but since I'm a new 16+user, can someone confirm or deny this: The 16+ doesn't have a 'smart' midi out like the old EPS For those not familiar: With the EPS, you can set it up so that incoming midi will be sent out on the channel of the selected (lit) instrument. So for instance ( and this is what I'm doing ) you can have an octapad set to transmit on ch1. On the EPS, set base midi ch=1, transmit=inst. channel. Make a 'Midi' instrument on the EPS (no wavesamples), set it to ch.10 The EPS goes into a Drum Machine (or Roland Sampler). Now when I select (lit) the 'midi' instrument, it transmits to the Roland. This way I can record into the EPS, and trigger the Roland. See what I'm doing? Now if I try this on the 16+, it doesn't go. In the 16+ manual Sec. 2-7, it sort of confirms this. PD From mentor.cc.purdue.edu!greenejl Fri Mar 27 16:26:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.210.10.8 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 16:26 PST Received: by mentor.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA20331; Fri, 27 Mar 92 19:26:13 -0500 From: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Greene) Message-Id: <9203280026.AA20331@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Some comments and suggestions To: eps@reed.edu (Ensoniq EPS Mailing List) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 19:26:13 EST Hi! I have some questions and comments (sorry if it turns out to be FAQ): 1) Is there a PD program for IBM to read the EPS disk images and tell the files contained within? 2) I still haven't recieved the most current EPS ("classic", NOT +) OS that people sent on the net, or the tec-perc image. Can someone please send me these or make them ftp-able? Also the cymbal roll that someone said they had. Anything else you care to share is most appreciated. THANKS! I am unable to contribute until this summer, when I can get back to my keyboard (I don't have it while I'm at Purdue - no room in the car coming up). I have some nice stuff, and I'd like to share. 3) I also agree with adding readme files when posting to the ftp site! Outside of the images, so people can read what it is before getting, or deciding not to get. I would like to suggest keeping an index to the images on the site. 4) As I understand it, somebody suggested having files in aiff(?) form so files could be converted for different samplers. Does this mean we could run Roland samples (and others) on our EPS? 5) A while back, sombody explained how to sample other keyboards with an EPS 16+. How could this be done on an EPS? When I get back home, I have an offer from a local store to bring in my EPS and sample from some newer keyboards in stock! If it helps, I have a 4x expander. 6) Would an EPS with an effects processor be as good as (/worse/better) than the EPS 16+? Does Ensoniq make an effects processor? Is this a cost effective solution (most effects processors I've seen cost less than an upgrade to a 16+). ? 7) Has anybody else heard that the new Gravis Ultrasound sound card for the IBM is made with modified Ensoniq chips? Thank you for your time and responses, Jon Greene greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu From DIALix.oz.au!steveq Fri Mar 27 18:50:26 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 18:50 PST Received: from uniwa.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA22676; Sat, 28 Mar 1992 12:50:01 +1000 (from steveq@DIALix.oz.au) Received: by uniwa.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA16333; Sat, 28 Mar 1992 10:49:54 +0800 From: Steve Quartly X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EDM file formats Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 10:15:55 WST Message-Id: <9203281015.aa08976@DIALix.oz.au> Hi gang, Ok I have the file formats for the EDM software. I got it from Gary Geibler himself, as I rang him in New York late one night my time, early his time. I worked most of it out myself as I didnt want to spend to long on the phone, and then just clarified a few hazy points. As someone pointed out, Im not sure who, the .EFE format has a 512 byte header, (1 block) which stores some ASCII data about the file, and then files specific info, such as the size of the sound, the number of contiguous blocks (why do you need that???? it changes again when you write it back to another disk!!) and the first block on the disk ( once again why??? ). Also it has the multi index and the type dependent info (which is currently not used) Then after a lot of 0000000's the data of the sound/bank/song etc.. it stored. For the .EDE format, the header is basically the same, except he has made somthing he calls a skip-table, which sets bits in certain bytes of the header these represent blocks on the disk, so there are 1600 bits used. If a bit is set (orunset I cant remember)it means that that sector was blank on the initial read ( that is: full of 6DB6's) his progam then just chucks in 6DB6's for one block. This conserves disk space by not saving unneeded data. As for the exact bytes which contain this info. etc..... Would I be allowed to give them out, T would think so, however I think it may be better that I check with Gary first, as the software is copyright and Id hate to get caught out. I like the idea of uuencode etc as I am one site that cannot FTP, although it will be coming Im told. Atari guys, wont be long and Ill finish this software. See y'all Steve Q. Perth, Australia.] From uhura.cc.rochester.edu!swb1_ltd Fri Mar 27 19:45:49 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.151.224.17 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 19:45 PST Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA00830; Fri, 27 Mar 92 22:45:11 EST Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 22:45:11 EST From: Steve Berkley Message-Id: <9203280345.AA00830@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Wary of EDM, Mac Software Update A source at Ensoniq informed me how the Giebler software was screwing over peoples sequence files.... random garble..... If this is true, perhaps we should: 1) not support the Giebler format or 2) wait until such bugs are worked out of his software..... Nonetheless, it looks like the format has a lot of trash in the first block... On the Mac program I'm writing, its coming along quite well. The program now has been tested reading an EPS to a Mac image file, then from a Mac image file to a formatted EPS disk.... and it "halfway" worked. The disk is readable by the EPS, but some of the info and samples are a touch garbled. I'll have to look into the problem a little deeper. It could be that the Mac doesn't store 10 sectors per track- it stores anywhere from 12 to 8 sectors depending on the location of the track. If this is the problem, I'll have to find a way around it, OR, try to find a different driver for the disk.... -SB From DIALix.oz.au!steveq Fri Mar 27 21:09:47 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.250.1.21 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Fri, 27 Mar 92 21:08 PST Received: from uniwa.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA24932; Sat, 28 Mar 1992 15:08:28 +1000 (from steveq@DIALix.oz.au) Received: by uniwa.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA19935; Sat, 28 Mar 1992 13:08:15 +0800 From: Steve Quartly X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: uuencode Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 12:35:36 WST Message-Id: <9203281235.aa15711@DIALix.oz.au> Hey guys with Atari, Does anybody have an ST version of uuencode & uudecode?? Steve Q. Perth Australia From ads.com!pdel Sat Mar 28 01:35:32 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.229.30.16 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Sat, 28 Mar 92 01:30 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA09669; Sat, 28 Mar 92 01:21:45 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA03759; Sat, 28 Mar 92 01:21:14 -0800 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 01:21:14 -0800 Message-Id: <9203280921.AA03759@bert.ads.com> To: swb1_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Subject: Re: Wary of EDM, Mac Software Update Cc: eps@reed.edu A source at Ensoniq informed me how the Giebler software was screwing over peoples sequence files. I've had the same thing happen occasionally. I called Gary and he said he hadn't heard of it. It would only happen if I took a midi file from a mac and brought it over to PC. >On the Mac program I'm writing, its coming along quite well. Great! I just want to say I really appreciate the work people have put into these EPS conversion programs. Whatever your 'shareware' fee, it is more than worth it to me, and I think others would say the same. PD From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Sat Mar 28 06:48:31 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 130.95.176.1 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Sat, 28 Mar 92 06:48 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA07255; Sat, 28 Mar 1992 22:47:34 +0800 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1992 22:47:34 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203281447.AA07255@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Tek Percussion Sory to all those people who didn't get the "tek-perc-1" file I sent. I have not had many bounces so I was not aware some of you missed out. I have put the tec-perc.ghk.zip.uu file in the incoming dir at denial@reed.edu If it's not there Joe has moved it to the gkh directory already... SHARE AND ENJOY Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mentor.cc.purdue.edu!greenejl Sat Mar 28 08:53:47 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 128.210.10.8 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Sat, 28 Mar 92 08:53 PST Received: by mentor.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA24142; Sat, 28 Mar 92 11:53:36 -0500 From: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Greene) Message-Id: <9203281653.AA24142@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Index for ftp site To: eps@reed.edu (Ensoniq EPS Mailing List) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 11:53:35 EST Hi, I propose maintaining an index at the ftp site. When people submit a disk image (or whatever) they could also send a spearate readme file describing what they sent. Whoever maintains the ftp site, could add the new readme files to the index when he/she moves the new upload to whatever main directories. I think each main directory should have its own index (GHK, AIFF, etc...). What do you think? Also, is there a PD utility for IBM that formats EPS disks? Thanks, Jon From csrd.uiuc.edu!bordner Sat Mar 28 10:16:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: from local by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Sat, 28 Mar 92 09:33 PST Received: from sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu by s46.csrd.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11632 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 28 Mar 1992 11:32:57 -0600 Received: by sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08751; Sat, 28 Mar 92 11:32:56 CST Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 11:32:56 CST From: bordner@csrd.uiuc.edu (James Bordner) Message-Id: <9203281732.AA08751@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: uuencode / uudecode For those who don't have the uuencode/uudecode utilities: I uploaded the C source code to the EPS ftp site. Also, for those who don't have ftp access, I included a shar file below containing uuencode.c and uudecode.c --james (BTW, I originally got these via anon. ftp to uxc.cso.uiuc.edu in the directory /utils/des/) --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (produced by shar 3.49) # To extract the files from this archive, save it to a file, remove # everything above the "!/bin/sh" line above, and type "sh file_name". # # made 03/28/1992 17:17 UTC by jobg0542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu # Source directory /students/home0/jobg0542/eps # # existing files will NOT be overwritten unless -c is specified # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 1805 -rw-r----- uudecode.c # 1021 -rw-r----- uuencode.c # # ============= uudecode.c ============== if test -f 'uudecode.c' -a X"$1" != X"-c"; then echo 'x - skipping uudecode.c (File already exists)' else echo 'x - extracting uudecode.c (Text)' sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'uudecode.c' && /* uudecode.c - convert ascii-encoded files back to their original form * Usage: uudecode [infile] * * This command differs from the regular UNIX one in that the embedded * file name "/dev/stdout" is recognized, allowing it to be used in a pipeline * * Written and placed in the public domain by Phil Karn, KA9Q 31 March 1987 */ #include #define LINELEN 80 #define MAXREC 64 main(argc,argv) int argc; char *argv[]; { X char linebuf[LINELEN],*index(),*fgets(); X register char *cp; X register int linelen,i; X FILE *in,*out; X X if(argc > 1){ X if((in = fopen(argv[1],"r")) == NULL){ X fprintf(stderr,"Can't read %s\n",argv[1]); X exit(1); X } X } else X in = stdin; X X /* Find begin line */ X while(fgets(linebuf,LINELEN,in) != NULL){ X if((cp = index(linebuf,'\n')) != NULL) X *cp = '\0'; X if(strncmp(linebuf,"begin",5) == 0) X break; X } X if(feof(in)){ X fprintf(stderr,"No begin found\n"); X exit(1); X } X /* Find beginning of file name */ X cp = &linebuf[6]; X if((cp = index(cp,' ')) != NULL) X cp++; X /* Set up output stream */ X if(cp == NULL || strcmp(cp,"/dev/stdout") == 0){ X out = stdout; X } else if((out = fopen(cp,"w")) == NULL){ X fprintf(stderr,"Can't open %s\n",cp); X exit(1); X } X /* Now crunch the input file */ X while(fgets(linebuf,LINELEN,in) != NULL){ X linelen = linebuf[0] - ' '; X /* Some uuencodes put ` (64) instead of space (0) in the X * end-of-file record X */ X linelen &= 63; X if(linelen == 0 || strncmp(linebuf,"end",3) == 0) X break; X for(cp = &linebuf[1];linelen > 0;cp += 4){ X for(i=0;i<4;i++){ X cp[i] -= ' '; X cp[i] &= 63; X } X putc((cp[0] << 2) | ((cp[1] >> 4) & 0x3),out); X if(--linelen > 0) X putc((cp[1] << 4) | ((cp[2] >> 2) & 0xf),out); X if(--linelen > 0) X putc((cp[2] << 6) | cp[3],out); X linelen--; X } X } X fclose(out); } SHAR_EOF chmod 0640 uudecode.c || echo 'restore of uudecode.c failed' Wc_c="`wc -c < 'uudecode.c'`" test 1805 -eq "$Wc_c" || echo 'uudecode.c: original size 1805, current size' "$Wc_c" fi # ============= uuencode.c ============== if test -f 'uuencode.c' -a X"$1" != X"-c"; then echo 'x - skipping uuencode.c (File already exists)' else echo 'x - extracting uuencode.c (Text)' sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'uuencode.c' && /* uuencode.c - convert files to ascii-encoded form * Usage: uuencode [filename] < infile * * If [filename] isn't specified, "/dev/stdout" is the default. This allows * use of my uudecode as a pipeline filter. * * Written and placed in the public domain by Phil Karn, KA9Q * 31 March 1987 */ #include #define LINELEN 45 main(argc,argv) int argc; char *argv[]; { X char linebuf[LINELEN]; X register char *cp; X register int linelen; X X if(argc > 1) X printf("begin 0666 %s\n",argv[1]); X else X printf("begin 0666 /dev/stdout\n"); X for(;;){ X linelen = fread(linebuf,1,LINELEN,stdin); X if(linelen <= 0) X break; X putchar(' ' + linelen); /* Record length */ X for(cp = linebuf; cp < &linebuf[linelen]; cp += 3){ X putchar(' ' + ((cp[0] >> 2) & 0x3f)); X putchar(' ' + (((cp[0] << 4) & 0x30) | ((cp[1] >> 4) & 0xf))); X putchar(' ' + (((cp[1] << 2) & 0x3c) | ((cp[2] >> 6) & 0x3))); X putchar(' ' + (cp[2] & 0x3f)); X } X putchar('\n'); X } X printf(" \n"); /* 0-length null record */ X printf("end\n"); } SHAR_EOF chmod 0640 uuencode.c || echo 'restore of uuencode.c failed' Wc_c="`wc -c < 'uuencode.c'`" test 1021 -eq "$Wc_c" || echo 'uuencode.c: original size 1021, current size' "$Wc_c" fi exit 0 From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Sat Mar 28 10:51:51 1992 Return-Path: Received: from 129.105.113.52 by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Sat, 28 Mar 92 10:51 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA03865; Sat, 28 Mar 92 12:51:39 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA14525; Sat, 28 Mar 92 12:53:07 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203281853.AA14525@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: Universal samples? To: greenejl@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Greene) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 12:53:06 CDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9203281636.AA22419@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>; from "Jonathan Greene" at Mar 28, 92 11:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] > > Does this mean that samples can be put in an AIFF format and could > be read by any sample if converted properly? Yes. > A program could be made to > read disks of various keyboard formats and write to other formats? That would be more ambitious, but unnecessary unless you want to be mailing floppy's around. > Could this be a way to also get synth keyboard sounds on a sampler? No, not unless you sampled the synth first. >Is sample quality maintained during a conversion? I suppose there are sometimes problems when a sample created on an eps at one of 5 fixed rates might have to be quantized to the nearest playable rate on a different sampler (EMax?) I forget about these sample rate choices on different synths or how they might reduce sample quality, if at all. AIFF is supported by expensive programs such as Blank softwares Alchemy and Digidesign's Sound Designer for the Mac and I believe the Silicon Beach for the IBM. They allow you to read a sample in from one sampler, i.e. eps, akai, or roland, save it in aiff format, and then it could be transported to someone else who has similar software that is capable of reading the aiff file and download it to their sampler (EPS, mirage, akai, etc.) Currently the programs that read/write aiff are expensive, but with the great hackers in this group, and since the aiff format itself is public, I don't *think* it would be too hard to shift our efforts towards this ideal. This, I would feel would me more valuable than the current eps-centric bent we are on in this newsgroup. Storage space and ftp sites would become a bigger problem of course if news of this amazing sound exchange got out :)