From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Sun Mar 8 19:10:45 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sun, 8 Mar 92 19:09 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA02568; Mon, 9 Mar 1992 11:08:33 +0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1992 11:08:33 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203090308.AA02568@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Sample swapping with EDM I just got my copy of Gary Gieblers EDM and thus I am now avaliable to swap samples with anyone out there with the same software. Anyone interested, drop me a line and we will make decisions like which compression algorithm to use prior to UUENCODING etc, or FTP sites and all that sort of thing. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Mon Mar 9 00:33:48 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 92 00:32 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA03497; Mon, 9 Mar 1992 16:31:52 +0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1992 16:31:52 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203090831.AA03497@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu I remember someone was asking about the ENSONIQ DRUM MAP The VFX, SD, SQ and EPS family all use this map. Sound Key-Range Kick Drums C2-G#2 Snare Drums A2-D#3 Hi-Hats E3-A3 Ride Cymbals A#3-D4 Crash Cymbals D#4-G#4 Toms A4-B5 Other C6-C7 Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Mon Mar 9 00:34:13 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 92 00:33 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA03501; Mon, 9 Mar 1992 16:32:14 +0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1992 16:32:14 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203090832.AA03501@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Ensoniq Drum Maps I remember someone was asking about the ENSONIQ DRUM MAP The VFX, SD, SQ and EPS family all use this map. Sound Key-Range Kick Drums C2-G#2 Snare Drums A2-D#3 Hi-Hats E3-A3 Ride Cymbals A#3-D4 Crash Cymbals D#4-G#4 Toms A4-B5 Other C6-C7 Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From itd.nrl.navy.mil!adamson Mon Mar 9 13:28:10 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 92 13:27 PST Received: by itd.nrl.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25223; Mon, 9 Mar 92 16:27:08 EST From: adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Brian Adamson) Message-Id: <9203092127.AA25223@itd.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: Sample swapping w/ EDM To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 9 Mar 92 16:27:07 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Would someone mind posting (or reposting) how to get EDM (Gary's address, etc)? I'm up for exchanging samples this way (via EPS disks) I think it will save steps. Even if it proves to be feasible to SYS-EX dumps, I imagine most will end up making EPS disks anyway, and as someone mentioned even if you don't have a PC in studio, you can get access to one long enough to make disks once you have the data in hand. As for samples, I've had my EPS for a short time and haven't created many samples for it yet (I've had a DSS-1 for quite a while). My immediate plans for samples for the EPS 16+ include: 1) Generating sounds with Digidesign's SoftSynth program. I have some neat synth sounds to try w/ the EPS, and want to take a shot at some synthesized percussion using SoftSynth. 2) Using a DAT and an ultrasonic receiver ( ultrasonic transducer which responds to sounds in the 20 kHz to 40 kHz range and mixer which transposes these sounds down to the 0-20 kHz ( human hearing range) band. I know people have done similar things with recording RF (galactic noise, etc) signals ... but the interesting thing about ultra-sonic sound is that machines such as motors, engines, etc generate cyclic ultra-sonic sounds which may prove more useful in the traditional sense of "musical quality" than the more effects-oriented random sounds of nature's RF. My sampling project for this spring. In summary, I'm up for getting EDM from Gary, and giving net exchange a whirl. (I'm out of town for a couple of weeks, so I won't be reachable for a while) Good luck with the exchange project. -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil -- Brian Adamson NRL Code 5523 adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Mon Mar 9 13:57:02 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 92 13:56 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA22058; Mon, 9 Mar 92 15:56:39 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA08681; Mon, 9 Mar 92 15:58:08 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203092158.AA08681@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: The Sample Trading Post, est. 1873 To: eps@reed.edu Date: Mon, 9 Mar 92 15:58:08 CDT Expires: Sun, 5 Apr 92 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Forwarded message: What is EDM? > > I'm up for exchanging samples this way (via EPS disks) I think floppy's via mail is obviously the easiest, but what I would like to see is some equally efficient way of sharing samples for different samplers too. > 2) Using a DAT and an ultrasonic receiver ( ultrasonic transducer > which responds to sounds in the 20 kHz to 40 kHz range and > mixer which transposes these sounds down to the 0-20 kHz ( > human hearing range) band. I know people have done similar things > with recording RF (galactic noise, etc) signals ... but > the interesting thing about ultra-sonic sound is that machines > such as motors, engines, etc generate cyclic ultra-sonic > sounds which may prove more useful in the traditional sense > of "musical quality" than the more effects-oriented random > sounds of nature's RF. My sampling project for this spring. > This sounds very cool! I'd like to hear them too. - Now can we get a survey of who has what for personal computing hardware/ software? Here's what I would like to do 1. Find Sysex midi dump capability of EPS and other samplers. 2. Find Sysex midi dump software that allows data to be read on varying computers (apple, ibm) 3. Find place to store these files in most compressed format possible, or use this mailing list. I can already suggest Sysex dumping software and data compression software on the Mac. Anyone else out there able to fill in the blanks? From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Mon Mar 9 18:32:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 92 18:32 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA00869; Tue, 10 Mar 1992 10:31:40 +0800 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1992 10:31:40 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203100231.AA00869@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Booklets For those of you who like a light read, Ensoniq are developing a series of booklets under the title "THE MUSICAL PERSPECTIVE". So far there are three parts to this series, all about 20 pages and the size of the manuals that come with the Ensoniq sound libraries. Volume 1. THE SAMPLER/SYNTHERSIZER COMPARISON This booklet goes into the relative advantages and disadvantages on samplers vs synthersizers. Written by Craig Anderton (Writer of the EPS manuals and TH articles) this is a good book to own when you are trying to help someone decide on what to buy. For most of uoy that's a bit late now :-) Sub Headdings... Photography vs Painting (guess which technology they call photography) Keyboards in the Real World Live Performance (synth vs sampler) Songwriters (synth vs sampler) In the Studio (synth vs sampler) Students and Hobbyists (synth vs sampler) Other Factors .Expressiveness .Software Support .Aquiring New Sounds (AQUIRING Eh? MMmmmmm.....) .Turning Samplers into Synths Adding it all up (about $6400 I's say :-) Go Make Some Music Volume 2. BENIFITS OF THE ENSONIQ DRUM MAP Written by Howard Massey, this goes into the phillosophy behind the Ensoniq Drum Map (and gived you a clear indication of it too) Talks about the various components of the kit what they are and what they do and how to use them. Good idea because a lot of us sampler owners find ourselves playing samples of instruments we have no idea what the original instrument is even used for let-a-lone what it looks like. Sub Headings... The Ensoniq Drum Map Components of the Acoustic Drum Kit Drummer's Approach: The importance of Dynamics The MIDI drummer and the advantage of Multiple Key Assignments The importance of pitch change Mono Glide Mode Recodring Acoustic Drums Drum Panning Drum Signal Processing Applying ENSONIQ Effects to Drum Sounds (yes they capitalized the Ensoniq :-) The importance of Consistency Using the Ensoniq Drum Map with Other instruments Volume 3. SEQUENCING TIPS AND TECHNIQUES. If you use the sequencer this is the booklet for you, here's the sub-headings they're self explanatory :-) The Difference Between Linear and Modular Sequencing Using ENSONIQ Sequencers in Live Performance Using ENSONIQ Sequencers With Other MIDI Instruments Creating MIDI Echoes Adding Human Feel to a Quantized Track Tap Tempo Punching In on the Fly Using Different Recording Modes Automated Mixdown Event List Editing Made Easy (It didn't, at least for me :-) Removing or Copying Specific Events Thabks for The Memories Quick Reference Guide All these booklets are printed on 100% recycled paper and apparently cost $2.50 US. I got mine for "free" from the Australian Importer, because I nicely asked...Gimme Gimme Gimme :-) Well that and spent $6000 with him. They are avaliable through all Ensoniq retailers or direct from Ensoniq. Scooooootttt.t.tt.tt..t... ERROR - 144 REBOOT? _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From descartes.waterloo.edu!rjfennem Tue Mar 10 15:07:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 10 Mar 92 15:05 PST Received: by descartes.waterloo.edu id ; Tue, 10 Mar 92 18:04:46 -0500 From: Ryan Fennema Message-Id: <9203102304.AA19306@descartes.waterloo.edu> Subject: WAVeBOY info .... To: eps@reed.edu Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 18:04:45 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Howdy folks! Just the other day I received a letter from WAVeBOY advertising their new effects disk for the EPS-16+. I thought that on the off-chance somebody didn't/couldn't register ownership of their EPS, they might not have received this info. Before I quote the ad, I will state that I have no relationship with WAVeBOY (I haven't even ordered the disk yet, so I can't review like others already have). This is strictly to share info with the group, and encourage third party stuff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Feb. 6, 1992 Dear EPS-16 PLUS owner: You'll be pleased to hear that your EPS just got better! All your samples will sound bigger; all your sequences will sound fuller. The difference is that now you can use four different effects at once - using the WAVeBOY Parallel Effects Disk. You may not be aware that the effects processorbuilt into your 16 PLUS is programmable. That means you're not stuck with the 13 effects that came with your sampler - new effects can be loaded from disk! And now for the first time, brand new algorithms are available. The WAVeBOY Parallel Effects go beyond what even ENSONIQ thought was possible. These effects algorithms create four independent effects processors inside the EPS-16 PLUS. Each processor can have a different input. That's parallel effects. If you use more than one sound at a time, you need these new algorithms. If you have ever had to give up uusing a delay because you needed to use the distortion, or backed off on the reverb because the bass was getting wet, then you have already wished for these effects. If you like to create new sounds by combining effects and stretching them in unusual ways, then you will go crazy when you get ahold of the WAVeBOY Parallel Effects Disk. We know you'll be pleased with the quality of these algorithms. WAVeBOY scientists have 25 years of experience in digital signal processing and effects. Our mission is to make high-quality musical products with imagination. The WAVeBOY Parallel Effects Disk is just $39.95. But wait- there's more! If you order before April 30, you will receive this beautiful WAVeBOY Time Dicer absolutely free. The Time Dicer effect is basically a pitch-changer with delay and reverb. But it also slices, it dices, it transposes, it stretches, it even mangles your sounds beyond recognition. And it's yours free if you act today! See the enclosed ordering information. [Ryan: End page 1 of 2] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ THE WAVeBOY Parallel Effects Disk What is it? It's a disk with 15 astounding new effects algorithms for the ENSONIQ EPS-16 PLUS. Each algorithm contains four separate "sub-effects," and each sub-effect can process a different sound. How are they loaded? Just press LOAD and then the EFFECTS button; you'll see the file names. Press ENTER to load one. Four at once? The parameters, as well as the inputs, on each sub-effect are completely independent. For example, imagine flanging the bass, chorusing the flute, putting a guitar through distortion and the drums in reverb. Other combinations include four reverbs at once, each with a different decay time, room-size and pan control. Yet another algorithm boasts two reverbs and two stereo-chorusers. Then there's three distortions and one reverb... and so on. There are 15 different combinations in all. 4 separate inputs? The stereo busses 1 and 2 are used as four mono inputs. Each of the four sub-effects takes a mono input and produces a stereo output. Finally both the mono inputs and the stereo outputs are mixed and panned into the final output. Very flexible! How many different effects are there? The individual sub-effects include: - a dense reverb with variable room-size, adjustable from a short ambiance to a small room to a large concert hall; - a versatile stereo-delay with LFO modualtion which can produce chorusing, flanging, ping-pong delays and interesting combinations; - a guitar effects-chain consisting of a resonant filter, distortion, a speaker simulator, and a stereo delay. How do I get it? The Parallel Effects Disk is just $39.95 including shipping, via US Mail. Mastercard or Visa accepted. For fastest service call (215) 251-9562 or fill out and return the order form below. PA residents Add 6% sales tax. Foreign orders add $6. Order before April 30, 1992 and receive the Time Dicer effect for free! ______________________________________________________ NAME: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Order Form ADDR: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Parallel Effects Disk $39.95 Time Dicer free CITY: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ STATE: _ _ ZIP: _ _ _ _ _ PA residents add 6% _____ Foreign Orders add $6 _____ PHONE:( _ _ _ ) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ TOTAL: ______ PAYMENT: []Cashier Check []Money Order []Visa []Mastercard CARD NUMBER: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ send to: EXP. DATE: _ _ / _ _ WAVeBOY Industries P.O. Box 233 NAME _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Paoli PA 19301 ON CARD Authorized Signature: _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whew, that's the end of the ad. Any further reviews on the above are certainly welcome, as well as comments on this ad itself. If this seems too commercial, let me know. I felt this would be something of interest to the group that I could contribute. Please don't hold me responsible for any typos, etc. Even though I have tried to preserve the entire contents EXACTLY as presented by WAVeBOY, they will be able to give you the most up-to-date info if you contact them directly. Chances are many of you got your copy long before me (I'm in Ontario, Canada, University of Waterloo) :-) Regards, Ryan. rjfennem@descartes.waterloo.edu From sand.sics.bu.OZ.AU!s057 Tue Mar 10 16:23:24 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 10 Mar 92 16:22 PST Received: by itchy.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.3) id ; Tue, 10 Mar 92 15:52 PST Received: from sand.sics.bu.oz (via bunyip) by munnari.oz.au with SunIII (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA08198; Wed, 11 Mar 1992 09:51:01 +1000 (from s057@sand.sics.bu.OZ.AU) Received: from sand by surf.sics.bu.oz.au (5.65b/Ultrix-32-V3.0) with SMTP id AA24825; Wed, 11 Mar 92 09:51:24 +1000 Return-Path: Received: by sand.sics.bu.oz.au (5.57/Ultrix-32-V3.0) id AA01072; Wed, 11 Mar 92 09:51:25 EST From: Stephen Gregory Message-Id: <9203102351.AA01072@sand.sics.bu.oz.au> Subject: Hard Drives To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 9:51:24 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Thanks to all those people that replied to my question about creating metallic/robot voices. I'm now looking out for a vocoder, and oredering the waveboy disk in the hope that the time splicer/dicer/mangler/mutilator might be able to perform a similar function. Anyway my next question is regarding hard drives for the 16+. Can anybody recommend what is the most economical system. I am currently tossing up between getting a 44Mb removable, or something like a 150Mb non removable. Both are fairly much in the same price catagory, but I have heard arguments both for and against going the removable way. I already have about 120 disks of sounds, and would plan on getting more if I got a Hard Drive - some of my collection I use so infreque tly however that they probably wouldn't go on it though. So if anyone has any experience or opionions on this, I'd be really interested to hear from you. Regards, Stephen Gregory. School Of Information and Computing Sciences Bond University Gold Coast Australia From denial.reed.edu!niski Tue Mar 10 16:40:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 10 Mar 92 16:40 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Tue, 10 Mar 92 16:39 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 16:40 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: Stephen Gregory Subject: Re: Hard Drives cc: eps@reed.edu > Anyway my next question is regarding hard drives for the > 16+. Can anybody recommend what is the most economical > system. I am currently tossing up between getting a 44Mb > removable, or something like a 150Mb non removable. Both > are fairly much in the same price catagory, but I have > heard arguments both for and against going the removable > way. I already have about 120 disks of sounds, and would > plan on getting more if I got a Hard Drive - some of my > collection I use so infreque tly however that they > probably wouldn't go on it though. So if anyone has any > experience or opionions on this, I'd be really > interested to hear from you. Stephen: At this point, i'd encourage you (and others) to look through the archives of past mailings to this list for answers to this one, since this is probably the most Frequently Asked Question of the EPS crowd. The archives are text files in UNIX "compress" format, and are available via anonymous ftp to reed.edu. The files are in /pub/mailing-lists/eps/, and are called "eps-digest#", where # is a number. Folks who don't have ftp access can mail a request to me directly. --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 "The fewer the moving parts, the less there is to go wrong." - Godley Creme From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Tue Mar 10 20:53:10 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 10 Mar 92 20:53 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA02749; Wed, 11 Mar 1992 12:52:12 +0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 12:52:12 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203110452.AA02749@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Enoniq Booklets, LAMENT I thought I'd better clarify the nature of volume 3 before you all rush out and buy 20 copies and then strangle me for misleading you all :-) >Volume 3. SEQUENCING TIPS AND TECHNIQUES. > >If you use the sequencer this is the booklet for you, here's the sub-headings >they're self explanatory :-) > >The Difference Between Linear and Modular Sequencing >Using ENSONIQ Sequencers in Live Performance >Using ENSONIQ Sequencers With Other MIDI Instruments >Creating MIDI Echoes >Adding Human Feel to a Quantized Track >Tap Tempo >Punching In on the Fly >Using Different Recording Modes >Automated Mixdown >Event List Editing Made Easy (It didn't, at least for me :-) >Removing or Copying Specific Events >Thabks for The Memories >Quick Reference Guide Some of the headdings "Event List Editing Made Easy" are NOT tutorials of how to use the functions. They tent to be a little more phillosophical in nature explaining the purpose and reason for existence of such functions. This booklet does contain some usefull tips/tricks and tutorial like sections but don't expect it to explain to you how to do everything or anything. If you look at the original post I made I noted that these booklets are LIGHT reading. They are just that, leaving you happy but wanting a little more. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ads.com!pdel Wed Mar 11 03:06:49 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 03:06 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA00523; Wed, 11 Mar 92 03:06:12 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA26916; Wed, 11 Mar 92 03:06:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 03:06:10 -0800 Message-Id: <9203111106.AA26916@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Net disk trading Hey you guys, me 'n Scott Fisher have been mucking about trading disk files. He just sent me parts of a sound/sequence file, and I already transferred a percussion file he sent me to EPS16 and regular EPS format. Once I got onto a PC with a functioning floppy drive (didn't know the one I was on was hosed, so the file wouldn't go on the EPS disk) , everything went really smooth - 1. Uudecode files(s) and catenate together 2. Fire up edm.exe (Giebler's utility program) 3. Format an EPS disk on the PC 4. Copy file from Unix to DOS 5. Copy file from DOS to EPS (w/ the Giebler utility). The cool thing about Giebler's program (Do I sound like I like it) is that you could store all your files on a PC Hard Disk, and then make up floppies with just the sounds you want. I'm guessing that if he comes out with an update, it'll be able to talk directly to an EPS formatted drive. SCSI transfers! Okay, maybe I'm dreaming, but who ever thought we could do this? Anyway, I continue to recommend everyone get Giebler's utils. if you're interested in swapping stuff. Heck, just being able to swap sequences this way would be worth it! PD From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Wed Mar 11 09:01:13 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 09:01 PST Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA10868; Wed, 11 Mar 92 09:01:03 -0800 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA29609; Wed, 11 Mar 92 10:02:55 -0700 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9203111702.AA29609@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Disk Trading To: eps@reed.edu (EPS Mailing List) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 10:02:54 MST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] As far as disk trading goes, is there anybody who has massive amounts of disk space, and wants to volunteer as the EPS sample librarian? Hmmm, sort of doubt it... but if we could come up with a location like that, there are a ton of things we could all swap. I've got over 100 disks from N.O.T. (Neanderthal Organizational Techniques) which are all public domain, as well as a bunch of stuff from Rubber Chicken that is all public domain. A big database which was a collection of everybodies own samples, as well as any other public domain would be really cool. I think it would be nice to be able to swap single samples, rather than just an entire disk dump. That would involve some sort of sys-ex dump type program most likely, like a few people have already mentioned. The problem with this is that it might be hard to port across all the varieties of computer platforms and midi interfaces. Any other ideas? =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Wed Mar 11 11:33:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 11:32 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA07812; Wed, 11 Mar 92 13:32:50 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA09516; Wed, 11 Mar 92 13:34:17 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203111934.AA09516@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: Net disk trading To: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 13:34:16 CDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9203111106.AA26916@bert.ads.com>; from "Peter Delevoryas" at Mar 11, 92 3:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] This EDM thing sounds good ( I guess us Mac folks will just have to find Ibm clones somewhere Apple File Exchange ought to let us read the files from the mailing list and convert them to IBM disks, then find the PC and run EDM to get an EPS disk ), How can we get it? Is it PD? Can someone mail it to the eps list somehow -uuencoded etc. From ads.com!pdel Wed Mar 11 11:47:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 11:46 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA03817; Wed, 11 Mar 92 11:46:35 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA27445; Wed, 11 Mar 92 11:46:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 11:46:35 -0800 Message-Id: <9203111946.AA27445@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Net trading >This EDM thing sounds good. >Is it PD? Can someone mail it to the eps list somehow -uuencoded etc. Well I think whether it was good or not everyone would have it if it was PD. No this one's not a freebie. It's $22 for the diskette manager, $44 with the sequence conversion utility. Wow, I've really been plugging this guy, maybe I can get some kind of compensation :) . Not. Here's the address and phone number for interested people: Giebler Enterprises 8038 Morgan Road Liverpool, NY 13090 (315) 652-5741 Just for the record, I am not affiliated with him, standard disclaimer, blah blah blah, blah blah blah. PD From descartes.waterloo.edu!rjfennem Wed Mar 11 12:02:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 12:02 PST Received: by descartes.waterloo.edu id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 15:01:25 -0500 From: Ryan Fennema Message-Id: <9203112001.AA05241@descartes.waterloo.edu> Subject: Re: sequence conversion ... To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 15:01:24 EST In-Reply-To: <9203111946.AA27445@bert.ads.com>; from "Peter Delevoryas" at Mar 11, 92 11:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > Well I think whether it was good or not everyone would have it if it was > PD. No this one's not a freebie. It's $22 for the diskette manager, $44 > with the sequence conversion utility. What does the sequence conversion utility do? I must have missed it. Thanks, Ryan. From yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!eroth Wed Mar 11 20:02:29 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 20:00 PST Received: by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA31259; Wed, 11 Mar 92 21:00:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 21:00:39 -0700 From: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Message-Id: <9203120400.AA31259@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: FTP site? :r possible From yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!eroth Wed Mar 11 21:18:02 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 21:17 PST Received: by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA52512; Wed, 11 Mar 92 22:17:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 22:17:50 -0700 From: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Message-Id: <9203120517.AA52512@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: sorry about that last one. Cc: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU Dang E-mail editor vs vi! Let me try this one again. PD writes: Once I got onto a PC with a functioning floppy drive (didn't know the one I was on was hosed, so the file wouldn't go on the EPS disk) , everything went really smooth - 1. Uudecode files(s) and catenate together 2. Fire up edm.exe (Giebler's utility program) 3. Format an EPS disk on the PC 4. Copy file from Unix to DOS 5. Copy file from DOS to EPS (w/ the Giebler utility). PD Ed sez: As long as it looks like were using DOS machines and EDM it would be so nice if some brave soul wanted to set up an FTP site for ZIP'd or ARJ'd sample and sequence files. This would avoid the ugly uudecoding and transfer from unix to dos (assuming you FTP from your PC). For those with FTP capabilities it would be as simple as this. 1. FTP file(s) in binary mode onto pc hard disk. 2. uncompress to special secret directory. 3. Use geibler's EDM to copy files to EPS floppies for your enjoyment! P.S. If nobody can come up with an FTP site I may be able to donate a small portion of disk space (40 - 60 Meg) toward the cause later this month. From ads.com!pdel Wed Mar 11 21:26:37 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 11 Mar 92 21:26 PST Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA07626; Wed, 11 Mar 92 21:25:51 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA09521; Wed, 11 Mar 92 21:25:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 21:25:50 -0800 Message-Id: <9203120525.AA09521@deimos.ads.com> To: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU Subject: Re: sorry about that last one. Cc: eps@reed.edu I don't think I could get away with being an ftp site here. Too much security-consciousness going on, but the main thing is I wouldn't have the time to do a really good job of administering the thing - hey, I'm recently married! * * < \-/ Oh well, so much for ascii graphics. PD From ads.com!pdel Thu Mar 12 02:50:20 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 12 Mar 92 02:50 PST Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA08549; Thu, 12 Mar 92 02:48:54 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA10716; Thu, 12 Mar 92 02:48:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 92 02:48:53 -0800 Message-Id: <9203121048.AA10716@deimos.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Sample net news Well Scott keeps cranking out .uue files to me, so I keep putting 'em together and converting 'em. As round 2 progresses, I've received 2 Korg T3 kits, and the PD firebird disk, which has instruments and sequences on it. All loaded into my 16-plus w/no problems. In case you didn't notice the time stamp on this msg, I ain't getting' no sleep. One of the sacrifices you make to have fun. PD From mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!bsanders Thu Mar 12 15:55:40 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 12 Mar 92 15:55 PST Received: from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu by garcon.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16357 (5.65d+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 12 Mar 1992 17:55:11 -0600 Received: by mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA09768; Thu, 12 Mar 92 17:54:43 CST Date: Thu, 12 Mar 92 17:54:43 CST From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) Message-Id: <9203122354.AA09768@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Mail me some EDM disks People, I'm fully intent on purchasing the EDM software so often mentioned on this list, and with it I intend to trade samples over Internet. (Just what I've always wanted to do!) So...who's up for it? Perhaps we could arrange a small time-window for temporary up- and down-loads to/from specific ftp sites, thus not tying up drive space semi-permanently. Like an "FTP EPS EDM Swap Meet." (Help, I think I'm choking on an acronym:-) Mail me directly if you have any interest in such a thing, or if you know of an ftp site which could support such trading. Thanks 4 The Bandwidth, Barry Sanders bsanders@mars.ncsa.uiuc.edu bsanders.mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu From ads.com!pdel Thu Mar 12 17:06:28 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 12 Mar 92 17:03 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA14273; Thu, 12 Mar 92 17:00:23 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA29326; Thu, 12 Mar 92 16:59:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 92 16:59:57 -0800 Message-Id: <9203130059.AA29326@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Sample trading info bsanders writes: I'm fully intent on purchasing the EDM software so often mentioned on this list, and with it I intend to trade samples over Internet. (Just wh at I've always wanted to do!) So...who's up for it? pdel writes: I am, but let me get through March first. Since I'm partly responsi ble for the hype about EDM, I should probably get a little involved in sample trading. Here's my plans: I have about 100 PD EPS disks, and about the same number of Roland Sampler Library disks which I could swap w/people, at least until I make my own. This brings up the question: We better make it clear not to trade any copyrighted material, lest we be in for some major legal hassle s, no? Regarding an ftp site, or whatever, one thing I was thinking of is that each person willing to trade could make a listing of samples/ disks that they have, and we could post it to the newsgroup, or els e send it to those interested. Kind of like a Disk-Restaurant Menu, yes? I'm just brainstorming here, maybe there is already some such thing in the works. PS, I didn't explain that I will first convert the S-550 samples to EPS with Alchemy, unless there are people out there with Roland Samplers :). (Uh-oh, sounds like competition). PD From cs.mu.OZ.AU!richard Thu Mar 12 17:24:43 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 12 Mar 92 17:24 PST Received: from localhost by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50); id AA13560 Fri, 13 Mar 1992 11:24:24 +1000 (from richard@cs.mu.OZ.AU) Message-Id: <9203130124.13560@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS HD writing times... Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:24:24 +1000 From: Richard Hagen I've just added an ETC 44Meg removable to my EPS16+ - it's actually an SQ555 in a box labelled ETC. All the formatting etc. went really well and the drive performs flawlessly. Oh yeah, I had to use the *original* O.S. disk. This was mentioned in a letter in January's TH, and Ensoniq didn't seem to know about it. All I know is, I couldn't get the format to start with a copy. Anyway, everything is working fine. But I'm worried! It takes AGES to save files. To test the drive on large transfers, I filled the memory with one large sample (~4000 blocks) and saved it - it took nearly 85 seconds to finish! On the other hand, loading is quite sprightly - taking only about 5 seconds to reload the 4000 block sample. Have I done something wrong (I just followed the instructions supplied)? Or is this just par for the course? Thanks very much! richard From noc.vitalink.com!ejm Thu Mar 12 18:12:17 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 12 Mar 92 18:11 PST Received: from yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM by mescal.NOC.Vitalink.COM with SMTP id AA26011 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 12 Mar 1992 18:07:35 -0800 Received: from loopback by yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM (5.65+V1.2/V1.3) id AA09567; Thu, 12 Mar 92 18:11:10 -0800 Message-Id: <9203130211.AA09567@yamaha.NOC.Vitalink.COM> To: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Cc: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Sample trading info In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Mar 92 16:59:57 PST." <9203130059.AA29326@bert.ads.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 92 18:11:09 -0800 From: ejm@noc.vitalink.com How much space do you think would be necessary for the sample files? I could donate some ftp space if it was reasonable. (100MB ok? more?) My biggest concern is the traffic level and the maintenance. Is there an easy way to distinguish the EDM files? (A magic number, etc.) I could write an automatic script to move incoming EDM files to the EPS directory. And, of course, the normal 9-5 FTP-ing would be discouraged. Any suggestions are welcome. ... Erik --- Erik J. Murrey Vitalink Communications ejm@Vitalink.COM From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 13 00:08:36 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 00:06 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA15838; Fri, 13 Mar 92 00:02:47 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA29769; Fri, 13 Mar 92 00:02:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 00:02:21 -0800 Message-Id: <9203130802.AA29769@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu ejm@noc.vitalink.com Subject: Re: Sample trading info How much space do you think would be necessary for the sample files ? I could donate some ftp space if it was reasonable. (100MB ok? more?) My biggest concern is the traffic level and the maintenance. (pdel) The more we talk about this the more I realize that we have to do some kind of planning after all (!). Thanks for offering the space. I guess the main thing to think about is how long do we want an ftp site to exist. If we want it in one place a long time, then we need a place with a lot of disk space. For instance, my disks alone would take up about 50MB uncompressed. So it really looks like we should get everyone interested in participating to make a list of their disks. This should go to one person (the one volunteering to run the ftp site). Then they can sort it all out and estimate disk requirements. If network traffic is an issue, maybe each person could be put on a list, telling them when they can log on, like BBS's that give you 30min. per day, etc. That's another thing to kick around, I guess. I need to brew about this for a bit. Meanwhile, if someone already has something set up, go for it! PD From UALR.EDU!jabussey Fri Mar 13 05:46:33 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 05:45 PST Received: from spider.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Fri, 13 Mar 1992 07:45 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 2286; Fri, 13 Mar 1992 07:44:47 EST Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1992 07:44:43 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: An Interesting project Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <0095782A.5AB727C0.2286@ualr.edu> I have an interesting project for some young programmer with alot of time on his hands (As I have none). How about writing a mac or ibm program to convert EPS sequences to EPS-16+ sequences. This would be great and I could finally convert to the EPS-16+. Any takers??? Jacque Andre' Bussey Old EPS owner! From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Fri Mar 13 06:33:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 06:32 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA14469; Fri, 13 Mar 92 08:32:30 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA10263; Fri, 13 Mar 92 08:33:59 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203131433.AA10263@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: Sample trading info To: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 8:33:58 CDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9203130059.AA29326@bert.ads.com>; from "Peter Delevoryas" at Mar 12, 92 4:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] > Regarding an ftp site, or whatever, one thing I was thinking of is > that each person willing to trade could make a listing of samples/ > disks that they have, and we could post it to the newsgroup, or els > e send it to those interested. Kind of like a Disk-Restaurant Menu, > yes? I'm just brainstorming here, maybe there is already some such > thing in the works. > YES, let's do this. > > PS, I didn't explain that I will first convert the S-550 samples to > EPS with Alchemy, unless there are people out there with Roland Samplers :). (Uh-oh, sounds like competition). > > Akai anybody? From yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!eroth Fri Mar 13 07:26:46 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 07:25 PST Received: by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA40729; Fri, 13 Mar 92 08:25:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 08:25:33 -0700 From: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Message-Id: <9203131525.AA40729@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: They might say no. I have noticed that an existing FTP site (louie@udel) has a neatly organized file structure for samples, sequences, and other midi related files. They do not have anything in these directories except more subdirectories in most cases. Does anyone think we should ask them if they would mind hosting some FTP activities for us EPS users? Instead of bombarding them with indivi- dual mail messages we might get "signatures" of everyone who thinks this is a good ideaand mail that to them. Any volunteers to collect sigs? Their suggest- ion box is at staff@udel.edu. Ed Roth From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Fri Mar 13 09:26:41 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 09:26 PST Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA10579; Fri, 13 Mar 92 09:26:22 -0800 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA03301; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:28:14 -0700 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9203131728.AA03301@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: Sample trading info To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:28:13 MST In-Reply-To: <9203130059.AA29326@bert.ads.com>; from "Peter Delevoryas" at Mar 12, 92 4:59 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] > Here's my plans: > > I have about 100 PD EPS disks, and about the same number of Roland > Sampler Library disks which I could swap w/people, at least until > I make my own. > > This brings up the question: We better make it clear not to trade > any copyrighted material, lest we be in for some major legal hassle > s, no? > > Regarding an ftp site, or whatever, one thing I was thinking of is > that each person willing to trade could make a listing of samples/ > disks that they have, and we could post it to the newsgroup, or els > e send it to those interested. Kind of like a Disk-Restaurant Menu, > yes? I'm just brainstorming here, maybe there is already some such > thing in the works. > > > PS, I didn't explain that I will first convert the S-550 samples to > EPS with Alchemy, unless there are people out there with Roland Samplers :). (Uh-oh, sounds like competition). > > > PD > > This sounds great, I'd love to get an EPS sample exchange database working. One concern I have is that we lock ourselves into trading in a format based on a commercial program available for only one machine. I have around 200 public domain disks that I wouldn't mind sharing, but my MIDI setup is based around an Atari 1040ST, not an IBM-PC. It seems that something based on sys-ex dumps would probably be a more versatile way of distributing samples. I realize that the logistics of finding a good cheap way of trading samples that will work for Atari/Amiga/McIntosh/IBM/etc is probably a nightmare. Unfortunately I don't have any really good ideas... anyone? Kelly Larson Engineering Systems Lab Hewlett-Packard/Fort Collins kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (303)229-6161 From denial.reed.edu!niski Fri Mar 13 09:44:43 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 09:44 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 09:44 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 09:44 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Sample trading info > I have around 200 public domain disks that I wouldn't mind > sharing, but my MIDI setup is based around an Atari > 1040ST, not an IBM-PC. > > It seems that something based on sys-ex dumps would > probably be a more versatile way of distributing > samples. I realize that the logistics of finding a good > cheap way of trading samples that will work for > Atari/Amiga/McIntosh/IBM/etc is probably a > nightmare. Unfortunately I don't have any really good > ideas... anyone? i have a Macintosh sysex utility - i'll test it with my eps this weekend to see if i can get it to work. Bulk sysex files would seem nicer than aiff files, but i'm willing to put time & disk into an ftp home for samples ONLY if they'll be accessible to users of more than one type of personal computer (MS-DOS, Mac, Atari - any Amiga users out there?). If the sysex approach doesn't work, i'm willing to do it with aiff files. The EDM software sounds great, but until there's an equivalent for other PCs, i personally have nothing to gain by maintaining an EDM site. (i'll be the first to admit my mac-snobbery; i use MS-DOS only under duress). i'll post again after i fiddle with the sysex thing. --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 "The fewer the moving parts, the less there is to go wrong." - Godley Creme From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Fri Mar 13 09:53:07 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 09:52 PST Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA11370; Fri, 13 Mar 92 09:52:39 -0800 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA03326; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:54:29 -0700 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9203131754.AA03326@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: An Interesting project To: jabussey@UALR.EDU (Hard On The Beaver) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:54:29 MST Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <0095782A.5AB727C0.2286@ualr.edu>; from "Hard On The Beaver" at Mar 13, 92 7:44 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] > > > I have an interesting project for some young programmer with alot of time > on his hands (As I have none). How about writing a mac or ibm program to > convert EPS sequences to EPS-16+ sequences. This would be great and I could > finally convert to the EPS-16+. > > Any takers??? > > Jacque Andre' Bussey > Old EPS owner! > It seems like this would be easy to do if you had access to another sequencer. Just play all of your old sequences into the other sequencer, and then play them back into an EPS-16+. That way you can convert all of your old EPS sequences into EPS-16+ sequences, you'd only have to do it once. Kelly Larson Engineering Systems Lab Hewlett-Packard/Fort Collins kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (303)229-6161 From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 13 10:26:54 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:22 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA18315; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:18:59 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00573; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:18:28 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:18:28 -0800 Message-Id: <9203131818.AA00573@bert.ads.com> To: niski@reed.edu Subject: Re: Sample trading info Cc: eps@reed.edu The EDM software sounds great, but until there 's an equivalent for other PCs, i personally have nothing to gain by maintaining an EDM site. (i'll be the first to admit my mac-snobbery; i use MS-DOS only under duress). I'll be the second! I don't even have a PC at home! But when there's nothing else available, you do what has to be done. I do have a sysex utility for the Mac; it's called Alchemy, and it costs about 500 bucks. :) If someone comes up with a Mac equivalent of Giebler's stuff, I'll be the first to order it. I even asked him if he would port it to the Mac! But he's a dyed-in-the-wool PC guy. :( I would LOVE to collect enough signatures of people who want EDM-for-the-Mac ! PD From cirrus.com!samd Fri Mar 13 10:27:59 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:27 PST Received: by oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA23219; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:27:31 -0800 Received: by oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.51/smail2.5/12-18-87) id AA23216; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:27:28 PST Received: from sunfire.sunprince (sunfire2) by cirrus.com (4.1- Cirrus/M) id AA23082; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:25:32 PST Received: by sunfire.sunprince (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09883; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:26:15 PST From: samd@cirrus.com (Sam Dillon) Message-Id: <9203131826.AA09883@sunfire.sunprince> Subject: Sample swapping To: eps@reed.edu (EPS) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:26:14 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I am also interested in swapping some samples. But I am in the Mac/Alchemy camp. I think that I can get access to a PC if required, but AIFF or some generic format would be best for me. /samd From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 13 10:29:11 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:26 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA18364; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:23:21 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00588; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:22:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:22:56 -0800 Message-Id: <9203131822.AA00588@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu EPS->EPS16+ sequence conversion It seems like this would be easy to do if you had access to another sequencer. Just play all of your old sequences into the other sequencer, and then play them back into an EPS-16+. That way you ca n convert all of your old EPS sequences into EPS-16+ sequences, you'd only have to do it once. Kelly Larson I replied via e-mail, but I want to post this to the group; am I doing something wrong? I just put the old EPS disk into my 16+, press load/sequence, and it's in there! Maybe I have a unit with a bug that's a feature. ;) PD From sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com!zimmers Fri Mar 13 10:46:35 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 10:46 PST Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com ([153.113.67.50]) by dsd.northrop.com (4.1/Gatemaster-4.1) id AA14979; Fri, 13 Mar 92 12:48:44 CST Received: from sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com (4.1/SMI-4.0a) id AA03374; Fri, 13 Mar 92 12:46:15 CST Received: from sage.dssunu1 by sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21517; Fri, 13 Mar 92 12:38:19 CST Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 12:38:19 CST From: zimmers@sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com (Mr. Luxury Yacht) Message-Id: <9203131838.AA21517@sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS->EPS 16 sequence conv. EPS sequences are upward compatible. EPS 16's will play them. The reverse is not true. All one has to do is load in the sequence and, bingo, it's there. I believe if one saves it from the EPS 16, it is saved as a converted sequence, but don't quote me. (You may however, > me). steve zimmers P.S. This is not to say that the conversion is bug free, because it isn't. The last time I did it there were a few problems, which Ensoniq never did track down... From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 13 11:21:27 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:17 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA18893; Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:07:39 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00656; Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:07:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:07:09 -0800 Message-Id: <9203131907.AA00656@bert.ads.com> To: jabussey@UALR.EDU Subject: RE: An Interesting project Cc: eps@reed.edu >From what I heard, the old sequences wouldnt work. When I tried to load one up on an EPS 16+, it didnt work!!! JAcque Let's get some more input on this. Right now I'm playing a sequence on my 16+ that was originally made for my EPS-M. I didn't have to do ANYTHING to it to get it to work. Not even add bleach! PD From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 13 11:39:13 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:30 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA18915; Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:09:46 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00665; Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:08:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 11:08:59 -0800 Message-Id: <9203131908.AA00665@bert.ads.com> To: zimmers@sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com Subject: Re: EPS->EPS 16 sequence conv. Cc: eps@reed.edu P.S. This is not to say that the conversion is bug free, because it isn't. The last time I did it there were a few problems, which Ensoniq never did track down... I'll agree with you there. Sometimes (actually only once) my drum track got a beat off when it switched to another sequence within the song. PD From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Fri Mar 13 12:38:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 12:38 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA28972; Fri, 13 Mar 92 14:37:55 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA10438; Fri, 13 Mar 92 14:39:22 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203132039.AA10438@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: Sample trading info To: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 14:39:22 CDT Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Joe Niski" at Mar 13, 92 9:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] > i have a Macintosh sysex utility - i'll test it with my eps this > weekend to see if i can get it to work. Bulk sysex files would seem > nicer than aiff files, but i'm willing to put time & disk into an ftp > home for samples ONLY if they'll be accessible to users of more than > one type of personal computer (MS-DOS, Mac, Atari - any Amiga users > out there?). If the sysex approach doesn't work, i'm willing to do > it with aiff files. The EDM software sounds great, but until there's > an equivalent for other PCs, i personally have nothing to gain by > maintaining an EDM site. (i'll be the first to admit my > mac-snobbery; i use MS-DOS only under duress). > > i'll post again after i fiddle with the sysex thing. > > --- > Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Mac Sysex is better for me too. AIFF would be nice but I'll sacrifice that for the benefit of greater selection of samples. From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 13 13:22:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 13:17 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA20171; Fri, 13 Mar 92 13:14:05 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00824; Fri, 13 Mar 92 13:13:34 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 13:13:34 -0800 Message-Id: <9203132113.AA00824@bert.ads.com> To: niski@reed.edu Subject: Re: Sample trading info Cc: eps@reed.edu > I do have a sysex utility for the Mac; it's called Alchemy, > and it costs about 500 bucks. Peter: how do you get Alchemy to do bulk sysex of eps data? i've only bee n able to do wavesamples.... Joe Sorry, Joe, misuse of terms on my part; I really meant that Alchemy uses a sysex command to get a sample dump PD From mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!bsanders Fri Mar 13 15:29:01 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 15:28 PST Received: from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu by garcon.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10254 (5.65d+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 13 Mar 1992 17:28:44 -0600 Received: by mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA19040; Fri, 13 Mar 92 17:28:14 CST Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 17:28:14 CST From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) Message-Id: <9203132328.AA19040@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Formats => Confusion Peoples, I'm a bit confused. Will some kind soul please post a list of these 3- and 4-letter acronyms for file formats, along with their respective descriptions (Non-technical if possible) Something like this: SUFFIX/NAME PLATFORM Description EDM IBM Compatible Special binary encoding format used by EDM software package created by Gary Geibler. AIFF ??? ??? SND Macintosh Sound resource file format.(?) Of course, for the purposes of this group, only the most useful and EPS-related formats will be of interest. Thanks 4 the Bandwidth, Barry bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu From ads.com!pdel Fri Mar 13 15:45:42 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 15:41 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA21297; Fri, 13 Mar 92 15:37:54 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA00992; Fri, 13 Mar 92 15:37:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 15:37:23 -0800 Message-Id: <9203132337.AA00992@bert.ads.com> To: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Mail me some EDM disks Cc: eps@reed.edu I need to get that EDM so ftware ASAP. That sounds great as far as the storage thing. As a reminder, the EDM is not Freeware; you have to buy it. If you really can't afford it, then we should see how many people would like to use your disk for storage, and all divide the cost equally in return for using the disk. That is my suggestion; let's wait and see what is going to happen with getting the louie.udel ftp site going. If you do have the money for EDM, I'm willing to start sending stuff over real soon. PD From denial.reed.edu!niski Fri Mar 13 16:19:59 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 16:18 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 16:18 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 16:18 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) Subject: Re: Formats => Confusion cc: eps@reed.edu > Something like this: > > SUFFIX/NAME PLATFORM Description > > EDM IBM Compatible Special binary encoding format > used by EDM software package created > by Gary Geibler. > > AIFF ??? ??? > SND Macintosh Sound resource file format.(?) > > Of course, for the purposes of this group, only the most > useful and EPS-related formats will be of interest > AIFF = "Audio Interchange File Format" - cross-platform, i believe SND on the macintosh stands for sound resources. *.snd on the NeXT is different - it's the standard NeXT format for sound files. dunno more than that. --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 "The fewer the moving parts, the less there is to go wrong." - Godley Creme From yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!eroth Fri Mar 13 20:53:32 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 20:53 PST Received: by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA35313; Fri, 13 Mar 92 21:53:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 21:53:19 -0700 From: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Message-Id: <9203140453.AA35313@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Please explain OK so I now know what AIFF stands for. How can this help me get a file from my DOS machine to my EPS? Do any of you DOS users use sysex whatevers to get files from your PC to your Ensoniq product? If so what type of software is required? Sources? Same for AIFF. TANX fer explanen. From intelhf!uunet!ub-gate.UB.com!zorch!dougt Sat Mar 14 03:46:37 1992 Return-Path: Received: by romulus.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sat, 14 Mar 92 03:45 PST Received: by intelhf.hf.intel.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.24.1 #24.4); Sat, 14 Mar 92 02:50 PST Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA08791; Sat, 14 Mar 92 03:24:06 -0500 Received: from ub-gate.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 032347.3704; Sat, 14 Mar 1992 03:23:47 EST Received: from zorch.UUCP by ub-gate.UB.com (4.1/SMI-4.1[UB-1.7]) id AA19634; Sat, 14 Mar 92 00:18:01 PST Received: by zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.2) id ; Fri, 13 Mar 92 23:51 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 23:51 PST From: intelhf!uunet!ub-gate.UB.com!zorch.SF-Bay.ORG!dougt (Douglas Terrebonne) To: eps@reed.edu, zimmers@sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com Subject: Re: EPS->EPS 16 sequence conv. I'm also in the Mac camp... It would definately be nice if we could get a Mac version of EDM or some other generic format... BTW, has anyone tried to run EDM uner Soft PC for the Mac? Doug From ads.com!pdel Sat Mar 14 03:57:47 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sat, 14 Mar 92 03:56 PST Received: by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA23003; Sat, 14 Mar 92 03:55:33 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 92 03:55:33 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Message-Id: <9203141155.AA23003@ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: EPS->EPS 16 sequence conv. BTW, has anyone tried to run EDM uner Soft PC for the Mac? Doug Yes, I've run it. It's a bit slower, and you can't read or format an EPS disk in the Mac SuperDrive. At least w/version 1.3. Maybe the newer version can, or maybe w/an external PC-floppy drive.... PD From ads.com!pdel Sat Mar 14 04:17:40 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sat, 14 Mar 92 04:16 PST Received: by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA23061; Sat, 14 Mar 92 04:15:22 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 92 04:15:22 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Message-Id: <9203141215.AA23061@ads.com> To: richard@cs.mu.oz.au Subject: Re: EPS HD writing times... Cc: eps@reed.edu > I have a syquest 44mb removable Do you get similar sorts of timings? richard I've only used a removable so can't say for a fixed HD. PD