From techno.isc.rit.edu!ECLDCO Sun Mar 1 08:14:30 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sun, 1 Mar 92 08:14 PST Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1992 11:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: ECLDCO@techno.isc.rit.edu (Eric Loyd - Data Center Operations, x7320) Message-Id: <920301111614.9be@techno.isc.rit.edu> Subject: SampleVision To: eps@reed.edu X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"eps@reed.edu" Here is the information on the SampleVision from Turtle Beach Softworks: Turtle Beach(717) 843-6916 CompuServer [75300,1374] PAN TURTLEBEACH BIX TURTLEBEACH PO Box 5074 York, PA 17405 SampleVision: (as it relates to the EPS) Must run EPSOS 1.56 or higher. EPS-16+ with OS 1.10. Sample editor only, not an instrument editor. However, VISION (also produced by Turtle Beach) is a true instrument editor. The manual has some interesting notes about the EPS that I won't go into. -Eric From yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!eroth Mon Mar 2 08:22:50 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 2 Mar 92 08:22 PST Received: by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA42982; Mon, 2 Mar 92 09:22:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 92 09:22:25 -0700 From: eroth@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Ed Roth) Message-Id: <9203021622.AA42982@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: geibler ent. Does anyone know if Geibler's disk software for the PC can also read/write UN*X diskettes? Any answers or adsditional comments would be appreciated[. From UALR.EDU!jabussey Mon Mar 2 18:24:17 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Mon, 2 Mar 92 18:24 PST Received: from backup.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Mon, 2 Mar 1992 20:24 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 1650; Mon, 02 Mar 1992 19:48:32 EST Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1992 19:48:25 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: 4 X Expander Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <00956FEA.A1870AA0.1650@ualr.edu> Ill send this request out again, I didn't get any answers the first time so here goes. Does anyone know of a way to add memory chips to a 2X memory expander to make it a 4X or increase the memory somehow? There should be a way... Thanks in Advance Jacque bussey From sand.sics.bu.OZ.AU!s057 Tue Mar 3 15:36:47 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 92 15:35 PST Received: from sand.sics.bu.oz (via bunyip) by munnari.oz.au with SunIII (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA17533; Wed, 4 Mar 1992 09:34:54 +1000 (from s057@sand.sics.bu.OZ.AU) Received: from sand by surf.sics.bu.oz.au (5.65b/Ultrix-32-V3.0) with SMTP id AA14456; Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:32:14 +1000 Return-Path: Received: by sand.sics.bu.oz.au (5.57/Ultrix-32-V3.0) id AA25071; Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:32:59 EST From: Stephen Gregory Message-Id: <9203040032.AA25071@sand.sics.bu.oz.au> Subject: robot voices To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:32:57 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi everyone - I was wondering whether anybody has managed to come up with an effective way of turning an ordinary voice sample into a robot type voice. I've tried flanging, short delays and all kinds of things - but I can't seem to get anything that sounds REALLY good. (This is all on the 16+ incidentally). If anybody's got any good ideas I'd really appreciate them. Regards, Stephen Gregory School Of Information and Computing Sciences Bond University Gold Coast Australia From hpsadlu.sad.hp.com!smithj Tue Mar 3 16:12:30 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:12 PST Received: from hpsadlu.sad.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA23936; Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:12:21 -0800 Received: by hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (15.11/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA00970; Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:12:18 pst Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:12:18 pst From: Jim Smith Message-Id: <9203040012.AA00970@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com> To: Robotizing@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com, eps@reed.edu, speech@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com >Subject: robot voices >To: eps@reed.edu >Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:32:57 EST >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] >Status: R > > >Hi everyone - > >I was wondering whether anybody has managed to come up with an effective >way of turning an ordinary voice sample into a robot type voice. >I've tried flanging, short delays and all kinds of things - but I can't >seem to get anything that sounds REALLY good. (This is all on the 16+ >incidentally). If anybody's got any good ideas I'd really appreciate >them. > Robot imitations are most typically done with a vocoder, which you can't really do on an EPS. I remember hearing a robotized sample of Ronald Reagan, though, and the way it was done was something like this: - Split the sample up into a bunch of smaller samples of fairly constant pitch, ie, each smaller sample's pitch doesn't change too much. - Re-tune each sample so that its pitch is the same as all of the others - play back the samples in order. This approximates removing any inflection from the speech, which makes it sound much more mechanical. You might be able to accomplish a similar effect with judicious use of pitch envelopes and/or sequenced pitch bend. There is a fairly common computer music "demo" CD called "In the Digital Domain" that has a poem (Dandelions are Roaring, I think it's called) which is manipulated speech. Portions of it is processed in a fashion similar to the first way outlined above, and that sounds quite robotic. Good luck, - Jim Smith smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com Yupatupata da yupadupa chickida, Icktang icktang, Ickitack tangdow, Rickitickatar ticka chingtar da. From hpsadlu.sad.hp.com!smithj Tue Mar 3 16:12:51 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:12 PST Received: from hpsadlu.sad.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA23945; Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:12:40 -0800 Received: by hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (15.11/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA00975; Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:12:38 pst Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:12:38 pst From: Jim Smith Message-Id: <9203040012.AA00975@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Robotizing speech >Subject: robot voices >To: eps@reed.edu >Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:32:57 EST >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] >Status: R > > >Hi everyone - > >I was wondering whether anybody has managed to come up with an effective >way of turning an ordinary voice sample into a robot type voice. >I've tried flanging, short delays and all kinds of things - but I can't >seem to get anything that sounds REALLY good. (This is all on the 16+ >incidentally). If anybody's got any good ideas I'd really appreciate >them. > Robot imitations are most typically done with a vocoder, which you can't really do on an EPS. I remember hearing a robotized sample of Ronald Reagan, though, and the way it was done was something like this: - Split the sample up into a bunch of smaller samples of fairly constant pitch, ie, each smaller sample's pitch doesn't change too much. - Re-tune each sample so that its pitch is the same as all of the others - play back the samples in order. This approximates removing any inflection from the speech, which makes it sound much more mechanical. You might be able to accomplish a similar effect with judicious use of pitch envelopes and/or sequenced pitch bend. There is a fairly common computer music "demo" CD called "In the Digital Domain" that has a poem (Dandelions are Roaring, I think it's called) which is manipulated speech. Portions of it is processed in a fashion similar to the first way outlined above, and that sounds quite robotic. Good luck, - Jim Smith smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com Yupatupata da yupadupa chickida, Icktang icktang, Ickitack tangdow, Rickitickatar ticka chingtar da. From hpeskdl.fc.hp.com!kdl Tue Mar 3 16:37:52 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:37 PST Received: from hpeskdl.fc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA24617; Tue, 3 Mar 92 16:37:41 -0800 Received: by hpeskdl.fc.hp.com (16.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA16042; Tue, 3 Mar 92 17:39:28 -0700 From: Kelly Larson Message-Id: <9203040039.AA16042@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: robot voices To: s057@sand.sics.bu.OZ.AU (Stephen Gregory) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 17:39:27 MST Cc: eps@reed.edu In-Reply-To: <9203040032.AA25071@sand.sics.bu.oz.au>; from "Stephen Gregory" at Mar 4, 92 10:32 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] > > > Hi everyone - > > I was wondering whether anybody has managed to come up with an effective > way of turning an ordinary voice sample into a robot type voice. > I've tried flanging, short delays and all kinds of things - but I can't > seem to get anything that sounds REALLY good. (This is all on the 16+ > incidentally). If anybody's got any good ideas I'd really appreciate > them. > > Regards, > > Stephen Gregory > School Of Information and Computing Sciences > Bond University > Gold Coast > Australia > > An actual vocoder has two inputs, one for voice (usually), and another for an instrument sound that you want to record the vocal inflections onto. The vocoder then takes and splits each input into separate channels, each channel containing a section of the audio spectrum. An eight channel vocoder would, for example, equalize both inputs into eight separate channels. The amplitude of the voice channels is then used to adjust the gain on each of the instrument channels... sort of like a real-time twiddling of the knobs on an EQ. This in effect causes the vocal inflections to be heard on the instrument sound. This is one way to get those weird "talking guitar" or "talking synthesizer" sounds that can sound so robotic. This could all be done in software on an EPS sample if you want to write a program to do it... it would probably be easier to get a hold of, or build, a vocoder. PAIA electronics will supposedly sell you a complete kit with parts and circuit board for $99, I've been considering this myself. This is only an eight channel vocoder, but has fairly good sound from what I hear. The plans for this vocoder can be found in a book called Electronic Projects for Musicians by Craig Anderton in case anybody wants to try it for themselves, or maybe upgrade the basic one to 16 channels or more. =============================================================================== /\ | / / \ | /\ Kelly Larson /\ / \ /\ | / / \ | /\/ kdl@hpeskdl.fc.hp.com / \/ \ \/\| | /-\ /-\ | |\/ \ Engineering Systems Lab / / \ / | | / / /__/ | |/ \/ Hewlett Packard Company / / / | \ / / | \ / COLORADO! / | \ / / | =============================================================================== From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Tue Mar 3 17:57:00 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 92 17:56 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA06104; Wed, 4 Mar 1992 10:55:22 +0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1992 10:55:22 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203040255.AA06104@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Converting 2X to 4X expanders >Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU >I think I may be able to just buy chips that hold more memory. I'm going to >take a look at my expander today. Good idea. Pulling you expander apart is a very easy process, if you pull it out (with the power off) turn it over and take out the 4 phillips-head screws, the unit falls into 4 pieces. The top and bottom covers, a plastic cover-plate for the SCSI port hole and the PCB. It's good because the PCB comes out free, good for hardware hacking. Before you do, however, don't forget to check out MAARTISTS 4X memory expanders, as they are considerably cheaper than the Ensoniq ones. You may even like to give them a call and have a chat to a technichian... The Maartists 4X retails for $199 US. Customer Service: 1-800-832-2737 Maartists Inc. 2180 Pleasant Hill Rd Suite 189, Duluth, GA 30136 USA. Ensoniq may even be happy to help you out. Good Luck Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ads.com!pdel Tue Mar 3 18:05:11 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 92 18:04 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA26022; Tue, 3 Mar 92 18:04:16 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA14682; Tue, 3 Mar 92 18:04:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 18:04:31 -0800 Message-Id: <9203040204.AA14682@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: SCSI interface Anyone know Ensoniq's price of a SCSI interface for a 16+ ? I saw the Maartists price of $119, is Ensoniq a lot more? Anyone using a Maartists? Peter D. From techno.isc.rit.edu!ECLDCO Wed Mar 4 00:09:41 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 00:09 PST Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1992 3:11:25 -0500 (EST) From: ECLDCO@techno.isc.rit.edu (Eric Loyd - Data Center Operations, x7320) Message-Id: <920304031125.4ad@techno.isc.rit.edu> Subject: Vocoders To: eps@reed.edu X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"eps@reed.edu" Off the tangent: Has anyone ever made a vocoder? I've heard you can do it with an asprin bottle, some cellophane, an old speaker, and some glue to seal it all. I think something a little more exotic should sound better. I'm interested in anything anyone might have to say on the subject. -ERic From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Wed Mar 4 00:37:08 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 00:36 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA07143; Wed, 4 Mar 1992 17:35:52 +0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1992 17:35:52 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203040935.AA07143@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 92 10:22:09 EST >From: Mike Allinger >Subject: Sampling tips >To: eps mail list > >Hi folks, > I'm planning on sampling some sounds from a VFX in the near future. >What tips or hints can anyone give me regarding doing loops, building >the voices/patches, spacing of samples across the keyboard to avoid aliasing, >(every octave, every fifth what interval?) helpful tips along those lines. >Any and all responses will be much appreciated so don't be shy. > >Thanks in advance, >Mike Allinger Sorry about the delay in answering you Mike, this group tends to sit on it's hands all waiting to see who answers first and then forget what the question was while they are all waiting :-) *Note* to eps@reed users: with nearly 80 of us on the list it seems that a lot of you must be shy because I have counted about 15 people I see fairly regularly and that's about it. So Mike. The most satisfying VFX samples will be made if you sample the individual samples that are used on the VFX then re-construct the sound using the EPS architecture/modulation thingies. This can be extreemely time consuming but will result in the sounds with more "motion" and "modulatable-a-bility". A problem that this can also result in is that you will use a layer on the EPS for each different sound chewing up polyphony, 2-5 voices per note :-( On the other hand you can get fairly quick and acceptable results sampling the "whole" output but you are in danger of winding up with a fairly "static" version of the VFX sound. This may be OK for the first 12 times you play around with the sound but after a while you are going to wish you could modulate sub-components (layers) of the sound individually. >the voices/patches, spacing of samples across the keyboard to avoid aliasing, Actually, if you listen to the "raw" waveforms that make up the VFX sounds you may be surprised in that they are often NOT multi-sampled, and they stretch one sample across the whole keyboard. If you follow the first approach (breaking the VFX sound down and sampling that) you will find you may be able to get away with 1 or 2 samples per layer to capture the sound. If you sample the "whole" sound you will indeed need 2-10 multisamples depending on the sound. If you do intend to break the VFX sounds down and sample them (as it appears you may be intending to do) make sure you sample the "raw" waveforms from the wavetable. FX off, all modulators off and sample at 44.6 KHz. Hope the above helps Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cco.caltech.edu!jaywb Wed Mar 4 01:13:13 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 01:13 PST Received: by tybalt.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA04720; Wed, 4 Mar 92 01:14:46 PST Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 01:14:46 PST From: jaywb@cco.caltech.edu (Jay William Bromley) Message-Id: <9203040914.AA04720@tybalt.caltech.edu> To: pdel@ads.com Subject: Re: SCSI interface Cc: eps@reed.edu Hi! I just got a SCSI interface for my EPS-16+, so this is something I know. I got mine here in Los Angeles for $120, though I've seen them for $117 at Sound Logic. You might want to go with the Ensoniq (actually it's made by PS Systems) interface, as this way you get a warranty, and I don't trust my EPS-16+ enough to add anything without also getting a warranty on it. As you can see there isn't much difference in cost it might be wise to get the Ensoniq approved interface. Expect installation to be another $35 or so. (Again you could do this yourself, but it supposedly voids the warranty if you do, I played it safe.) Once you have your SCSI interface and a hard drive you'll never want to go back to using floppies. Good luck! jay jaywb@tybalt.caltech.edu From descartes.waterloo.edu!rjfennem Wed Mar 4 08:18:34 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 08:18 PST Received: by descartes.waterloo.edu id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 11:17:46 -0500 From: Ryan Fennema Message-Id: <9203041617.AA13329@descartes.waterloo.edu> Subject: SCSI advice ... To: eps@reed.edu Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 11:17:45 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I've seen notes regarding SCSI for the EPS-16+ lately so I would like to add this question. I have the EPS-16+ with Maartist memory expander. What is the best way to go SCSI without having to sacrifice my current memory? I've been told by sales guys not to mix brand-names when adding stuff to my EPS. ie. Maartist memory => Maartist everything else. Ensoniq memory => Ensoniq everything else. Is this a general assumption, or a slick sales line? Any ideas on this matter are much appreciated. Regards, eh? Ryan. P.S. I'm one of the shy guys Scott Fisher speaks of :-) I'm normally on the receiving end of your excellent advice, and tend to feel guilty about bombarding you guys with novice-type questions. From cco.caltech.edu!jaywb Wed Mar 4 09:40:55 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:40 PST Received: by tybalt.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA17340; Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:42:08 PST Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:42:08 PST From: jaywb@cco.caltech.edu (Jay William Bromley) Message-Id: <9203041742.AA17340@tybalt.caltech.edu> To: arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: SCSI interface Cc: eps@reed.edu Hi, It's not hard at all to make the EPS boot from a remote device. In fact, with the interface installed the EPS will automatically look fo and boot from the highest addressed SCSI device in the chain, you can also still boot fom floppy should you need to just by leaving the OS disk in the drive when you boot up. The SCSI interfacing is fairly staightfoward, as far as I know thee are no hidden problems to bug you. Make sure every SCSI device has a different ID and you'll be ok. Good article on setting up a SCSI drive in the Transoniq Hacker a few months back, might want to look at that. Regards, jay jaywb@tybalt.caltech.edu so my 'r' key doesn't wok very well... From antioch.acns.nwu.edu!nims Wed Mar 4 09:45:07 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:44 PST Received: by antioch.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-NWU-1.01) id AA12987; Wed, 4 Mar 92 11:44:56 CST Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 11:44:56 CST From: nims@antioch.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Nims) Message-Id: <9203041744.AA12987@antioch.acns.nwu.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS for sale For sale: Original EPS with 2x memory expander. Lots of disks w/samples. Price: Best offer. -Chris Nims c-nims@nwu.edu From EBay.Sun.COM!Rick.Wagoner Wed Mar 4 09:56:40 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:56 PST Received: from EBay.Sun.COM (female.EBay.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09871; Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:56:31 PST Received: from georwell.EBay.Sun.COM by EBay.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14263; Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:11:48 PST Received: by georwell.EBay.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01300; Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:11:18 PST Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 09:11:18 PST From: Rick.Wagoner@EBay.Sun.COM (Rick Wagoner) Message-Id: <9203041711.AA01300@georwell.EBay.Sun.COM> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: SCSI ramblings Cc: me@georwell.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Type: X-sun-attachment ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 49 Just to add to the confusion (?) here is my experience with PS systems and several SCSI drives. First the basics: I have an EPS16+ with an Ensoniq 1MB memory upgrade. I went with this as it is customer installable and the price was right. But the SCSI is another matter. I did not chose Ensoniq as you have to pay around $35 for a tech to do 15 minutes worth of work. I looked over the PS systems install manual and found it fairly well layed out so I gave it a shot. NOTE: If you are the least bit leary of working with hardware spend the extra bucks for the piece of mind and have the factory authorized folks do it! The installation went very well, no problems having the EPS recognize the interface. But the drive was not visable to the EPS! I was attempting to format a Quantum 105MB drive. No go. I successfully formatted the drive on the MAC and my 386 MSDOS machine, but still no talkie to the EPS. Not one to give up, I tried an old (but still functional) Seagate 20 MB drive. Different error message (it got abour half way through the format then it barfed) but still no workie. Again I ran it on the PC ann MAC and it also was good. A quick call to PS systems and I got an RMA for the board. Ran down to the local shop and picked up a replacement (Guitar Showcase in San Jose CA -- a quick plug- nice folks and good prices {no I don't work there} ). Installed the replacement....same problems... Hmmmm Another call to PS Systems. Apparently they have a problem with (get this) Quantum drives over 80MB and Seagate drives under 40MB! Geez talk about a string of bad luck! Anyway I threw on an 80MB Seagate and all is well. I don't understand all the ins and outs of SCSI or how they wrote the code for the formatter (yes I played for hours with shorter cables and terminated both-either-neither ends of the SCSI bus to no avail) I just know that this particular combo works. In fact I can also transfer samples to Alchemy (MAC) via SCSI. Its a HELL of a lot faster than MIDI!! Okay, that's it. In the words of the preacher from "Blazing Saddles" "Son, your on your own." Rick ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: default X-Sun-Data-Description: default X-Sun-Data-Name: .signature X-Sun-Content-Lines: 17 +-----------------------------------------------+ + Rick Wagoner + + Sun Microsystems Education Dept. + + 408-276-5658 + + + + email rick.wagoner@Ebay + + or rwagoner@sun.com + + + + or whateverthehell the DNS server mangles my + + address into! + + + +-----------------------------------------------+ + Opinions: MINE! Systems: Theirs! + +-----------------------------------------------+ + Everybody likes to stir the excrement + + but nobody likes to clean the paddle... + +-----------------------------------------------+ From UALR.EDU!jabussey Wed Mar 4 10:11:23 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:11 PST Received: from backup.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Wed, 4 Mar 1992 12:10 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 1763; Wed, 04 Mar 1992 12:08:59 EST Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1992 12:08:58 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: The EPS Sequencer Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <0095713C.C75C9E40.1763@ualr.edu> I run my entire system from the EPS sequencer. Does anyone else do this? I like to program sequences and then arrange them in songs. Does anyone know of a dedicated sequencer that is better than the EPS? Jacque Bussey One 'o' the LEECHING non posting Shy Guys (Lurker) From ads.com!pdel Wed Mar 4 10:14:59 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:14 PST Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA29211; Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:13:04 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA27667; Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:13:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:13:04 -0800 Message-Id: <9203041813.AA27667@deimos.ads.com> To: Rick.Wagoner@ebay.sun.com Subject: Re: SCSI ramblings Cc: eps@reed.edu In fact I can also transfer samples to Alchemy (MAC) via SCSI. Its a HELL of a lot faster than MIDI!! Am I right in thinking you can use Alchemy with a 16+? Haven't tried it yet but Passport said they were coming out with an upgrade, so I assumed that I would have to wait. Perhaps not? Also re: the SCSI interface, what does the PS manual say about removable drives? I want to use my Syquest with it. thanks, Peter D. From cco.caltech.edu!jaywb Wed Mar 4 12:24:20 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 12:24 PST Received: by tybalt.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA22413; Wed, 4 Mar 92 12:25:50 PST Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 12:25:50 PST From: jaywb@cco.caltech.edu (Jay William Bromley) Message-Id: <9203042025.AA22413@tybalt.caltech.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Ensoniq errors... Hello again, Awhile ago I seem to remember someone posting a list of all the Ensoniq errors and the (where applicable) Motorola exceptions which these were linked to. Am I imagining this? If not would someone be so kind as to send me a copy? Also I remember a discussion on a certain jumper between two of the 16+ internal boards which collected static and caused the machine to crash. What's the word on this, as mine has crashed twice in the past two weeks (it's crashed once in the year preceding that), could I have this problem? If you think so, I am experienced enough with electronics to fix open the thing and hopefully fix it, so descriptions of the location of the jumper is question would be appreciated. As a side note, I've got the Error 144 both times, so would this be a case of simply doing to many things at once (both times I was rather busy). Thanks for any help, jay jaywb@tybalt.caltech.edu From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Wed Mar 4 17:43:52 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 17:43 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA08184; Thu, 5 Mar 1992 09:42:40 +0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1992 09:42:40 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203050142.AA08184@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: eps@reed Ryan writes... > I'm one of the shy guys Scott Fisher speaks of :-) > I'm normally on the receiving end of your excellent advice, and > tend to feel guilty about bombarding you guys with novice-type questions. As long as it's not something that is clearly explained in the manual, that's what this group is for. In fact sometimes you need the group to tell you what the manual is trying to say :-) If you go back through the archives (eps@reed.edu, /pub/mailing-lists/eps-digestN) you will notice the bulk of my earlier postings were fairly "novice-type" questions. Now that they have all been answered I may "appear" to be an expert, however the truth of the matter is I am simply a bewildered ensoniq user just like the rest of you. The bulk of my knowledge has come from reading the "interface" in TH over the last 4 years. To add to the "illusion" that I know what I am talking about :-) I have sitting on my left 4 years worth of TH, 2 years worth of Chicken Chronicle, Various Ensoniq flyers and tech-reports, the phone number of the Australian Ensoniq importers (and I know the cheif tech), I talk to Eric (of TH) via email, I have all the archives of this mailing-list compressed into one file that I re-read and I banter with various members of this group via private email. So what I am trying to say is don't be intimidated by the likes of me, I simply have a "good" EPS related data-base :-) Something that I like to do though, if I have been asking questions, (when I get on top of things) posting back to the list on how I solved the problem. If I really get stuck I review some samples :-) But hey, I don't have the right to determine the agenda of this group, what do others think? Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cco.caltech.edu!jaywb Wed Mar 4 21:33:03 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 92 21:32 PST Received: by tybalt.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA12163; Wed, 4 Mar 92 21:34:35 PST Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 21:34:35 PST From: jaywb@cco.caltech.edu (Jay William Bromley) Message-Id: <9203050534.AA12163@tybalt.caltech.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: SCSI tech question... Hi, So having recently acquired a 44 Mb removable (rackmount), I'm beginning to wonder if it would be possible to purchase a second SCSI drive and install it in the case of the first. I'd like to get a large fixed drive, but sending it back to PS systems to get this done would probably cost a bundle and since I could get a large SCSI drive fairly cheap, I was wondering what getting one of these and installing it into the rackmount chassis would entail. Is it simply a matter of hooking up the pins from the external SCSI plug to the drive, or is any additional circuitry needed? Any insight would be appreciated, jay jaywb@tybalt.caltech.edu From oda.icl.co.uk!andy Thu Mar 5 08:18:09 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 08:17 PST Received: from eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk by eros.uknet.ac.uk with UUCP id <4115-0@eros.uknet.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 Mar 1992 14:15:18 +0000 Received: on eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk over UUCP id AA13136; Thu, 5 Mar 92 10:43:31 GMT Received: from oda.icl.co.uk by iclbra.oasis.icl.co.uk (4.14/) id AA24007; Thu, 5 Mar 92 10:43:44 gmt From: andy@oda.icl.co.uk (Andy Spiceley) Message-Id: <9203051037.AA22025@oda.icl.co.uk> Subject: EPS-16+ flashbank experiences? To: eps@reed.edu Date: Thu, 5 Mar 92 10:37:43 GMT X-Mailer: Elm [version 2.1 PL0] All this talk of SCSI interfaces is making my mouth water: if only hard drives weren't so expensive (in the UK). However, lets mention another memory add-on (sorry if this has already been done to death): Does anyone have any experiences to relate on using Flashbank? I'm dithering over whether to invest in this apparently handy way to double my ESP16(r) up to 4Mb, but it occurs to me that the nature of the flash memory could be both an advantage and a disadvantage. For example: I plan to spend a bit of time playing with tuning tables on some big instruments (piano, bells etc) which take up a lot of space and which fall foul of the "bank load doesn't understand multi-disk instruments" problem [incidentally I hope this is one thing the good people at Ensoniq are planning to fix in the next 16+ OS version]. Once I've got my tuning sorted out then having the enormous Steinway sample in flash memory will save loading time and space for other stuff to be loaded normally (I suppose bank load understands how to load from flash?). OTOH, during the time I'm playing about with the tunings and wanting to save different patches, the flash is not so useful, since I gather its a case of "write into it until its full, then wipe it all clean" any one tried it? Liked it? Loathed it? (Maybe one I'll have something for you people other than questions!) Regards, Andy Spiceley International Computers Ltd (ICL) Bracknell email andy@oda.icl.co.uk or a.spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk phone +44 344 424842 x2616 From denial.reed.edu!niski Thu Mar 5 09:07:27 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 09:07 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 09:07 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 92 09:07 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: eps@reed Scott sez: > Ryan writes... > > > I'm one of the shy guys Scott Fisher speaks of :-) > > I'm normally on the receiving end of your excellent advice, and > > tend to feel guilty about bombarding you guys with novice-type > > questions. > > The bulk of my knowledge has come from reading the > "interface" in TH over the last 4 years. To add to the > "illusion" that I know what I am talking about :-) I have > sitting on my left 4 years worth of TH, 2 years worth of > Chicken Chronicle, Various Ensoniq flyers and > tech-reports, the phone number of the Australian > Ensoniq importers (and I know the cheif tech), I talk to > Eric (of TH) via email, I have all the archives of this > mailing-list compressed into one file that I re-read and > I banter with various members of this group via private > email. having recently exposed myself to TH, i'd encourage others to do the same. i'd also encourage folks to ftp the digest files and peruse those, especially if you have questions about SCSI, hard drives, and removeable media - we've had some excellent contributions in the past, and a lot of new subscribers recently, so it's worth taking the time to browse the digests. > Something that I like to do though, if I have been asking > questions, (when I get on top of things) posting back to > the list on how I solved the problem. If I really get stuck I > review some samples :-) i like the reviews of new stuff, even if some of it might not apply to me (owning an original EPS). i also like the sample reviews. > But hey, I don't have the right to determine the agenda of > this group, what do others think? i'd be interested in setting up an ftp directory for samples designed by members of the list (if only we could do it for _instruments_ instead of mere _wavesamples_...). If folks want to start contributing samples, mail me privately, i'll set things up, and we can do it until the sysadmin here puts a disk quota on us ;-) --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 "The fewer the moving parts, the less there is to go wrong." - Godley Creme From Sun.COM!sybase!mw Thu Mar 5 14:31:25 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 14:31 PST Received: from sun.Eng.Sun.COM by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28592; Thu, 5 Mar 92 14:31:04 PST Received: from sybase.UUCP by sun.Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29365; Thu, 5 Mar 92 14:30:59 PST Received: from pegasus.sybase.com by sybase.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybGW2.0) id AA07081; Thu, 5 Mar 92 13:27:52 PST Received: by pegasus.sybase.com (5.57/SMI-3.2/SybUlt1.1) id AA01578; Thu, 5 Mar 92 13:25:00 PST Date: Thu, 5 Mar 92 13:25:00 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Message-Id: <9203052125.AA01578@pegasus.sybase.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: alchemy -> eps I just bought a new EPS-16 turbo model, and I've connected it to my Mac IIci, which is equipped with an Opcode MIDI Translator and Alchemy v2.3. I have a bunch of AIFF files that I created with Alchemy, but I haven't been able to figure out how to dump these samples to the EPS. Could someone tell me exactly what I need to do to dump these samples from Alchemy to the EPS? Don't be afraid to insult my intelligence by being too specific. It will proabbly help. Please reply via personal email. If anyone cares, I'll post a summary of what works to the list. Thanks in advance. Mike Wertheim mw@sybase.com From psychok.dialix.oz.au!leigh Thu Mar 5 15:27:17 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 15:26 PST Received: from uniwa.uwa.oz.au by munnari.oz.au with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50) id AA00506; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 09:25:55 +1000 (from leigh@psychok.dialix.oz.au) Received: by uniwa.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA00733; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 07:25:53 +0800 Received: from psychok by DIALix.oz.au id aa01107; Fri, 6 Mar 92 0:02:11 WST To: DIALix!eps@reed.edu Subject: EPS 16+ errors followup Date: Fri Mar 6 00:03:16 1992 From: leigh@psychok.DIALix.oz.au Message-Id: <9203060002.aa01107@DIALix.oz.au> >From: Jay William Bromley > > Also I remember a discussion on a certain jumper between two of the >16+ internal boards which collected static and caused the machine to >crash. What's the word on this, as mine has crashed twice in the past >two weeks (it's crashed once in the year preceding that), could I have >this problem? If you think so, I am experienced enough with electronics >to fix open the thing and hopefully fix it, so descriptions of the location >of the jumper is question would be appreciated. As a side note, I've got >the Error 144 both times, so would this be a case of simply doing to many >things at once (both times I was rather busy). After purchasing my EPS 16+ s/h, within a week it wouldn't tune the keyboard on bootup, reporting failure. Visiting my friendly Ensoniq Repairman I got a chance to see what he did to fix the problem. There are two main PCBs under the keyboard. These are connected with an IDC multiple pin edge connector (I think that's the right name). All the serice guy did was solder wire bridges between the PCBs at the connector's board mounts, bypassing the socket. Since then (6 months) I've had no probs (musically that is...), although I never experienced Error 144, so perhaps that's caused by different problem than the PCB connections. Hope this helps Leigh Smith From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Thu Mar 5 19:59:30 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 19:59 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA00535; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 11:58:18 +0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1992 11:58:18 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203060358.AA00535@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Swapping Samples >i'd be interested in setting up an ftp directory for samples designed >by members of the list (if only we could do it for _instruments_ >instead of mere _wavesamples_...). If folks want to start >contributing samples, mail me privately, i'll set things up, and we >can do it until the sysadmin here puts a disk quota on us ;-) > >Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Yes, this reminds me... A while back I (a bit prematurely, following Ensoniqs pattern :-) announced some PD software that will allow us to put EPS disks in our computers and tun them into files that are ftp/email-able, let me update you and give some more info. BACKGROUND: What we would all like to do is send EPS samples to each other and ftp them as well, right? Well to do that we need some way of getting the samples out of the EPS onto the network and from the net back to the EPS. There are two basic approaches... 1. MIDI, if you have a wavesample editing program you can do MIDI dumps of your wavesamples and then post these around the net or put them on a ftp site. Then we have to do is have a similar program to suck up the MIDI dump and then send this to our EPS's. Fine, very nice. I suspect this is what Joe is talking about? 2. Direct conversion, If you have a machine that has a 3.5" floppy drive capable of reading 800K DS/DD disks then it is possible to write some software that could read our EPS disks and save these to a format compatable with our computer and then IF this machine has network access we could send these "dump" files around the network or ftp them. Well there is such software avaliable for the PC's out there. This is Garry Gieblers EDM (Ensoniq disk manager). With this on your PC you can read EPS disks and it makes dumps of your EPS disks in DOS compatable format. Two people on the net with PC's and Garrys software could send the dump.dos files to each other, thus swapping instruments,samples or whole disks if they wanted. Now the problem with this is that a) it's for PC's and thus all the Mac, Unix Amiga, Atari etc users out there miss out. b) people at both ends need it and it is not PD, ($28 US). Because of this we can't get the source code for people to port it across to other platforms and poor students can't afford to have the software and eat :-) A while back I posted such a program and it was public domain, BUT it was for ROLAND SAMPLERS :-( I tried to use it on EPS disks, and it does, sort-of work, however... ... essentially the Roland program reads the disk onto a flat file, using cylinders 0-79, heads 0-1, and sectors 1-9. Unfortunately the EPS format is... ... cylinders (tracks) 0-79, heads 0-1 and sectors 0-9. Thus if you use it on an EPS disk you will be missing all your sector 0's. I tried it, used the Roland program to read an EPS disk which it did, and saved this as eps.out on my PC HD. This was an 800K file. Then I used the program to take the eps.out dump file and turn it back into an EPS disk I took this home and put it in my EPS, looked OK, loaded up an instrument and it played, but sounded chopped up at regular intervals. Not surprising given that the sample data at every sector "0" was missing. The other thing was the EPS became very unstable and was chashing all the time. So I wrote to the author and he agreed to modify his program to read sectors 0-9 instead of 1-9. Great. Well Pete (is his name) is working on this now, I sent him a EPS format disk to test his program on. He got sick a week ago and has been busy, but I expect he will be finnished ... sometime :-) When he is I will post the program and the source code, for others to port to their own platforms. Now if anyone else is working on such a program, keep it up and don't wait me to post anything. Remember, Pete is doing this out of the goodness of his heart and has never seen me and does not own an EPS. I just asked him if it would be difficult to modify his program to read sectors 0-9 and he said he would do it. Very generous of him. So I am not pressuring him to get it done, but he is working on it as he told me about 3 days ago. IN THE MEAN TIME: I have ordered Garry Gieblers EDM, when I get it I would be interested in swapping samples with anyone else out there with an EPS, a PC and Garry's EDM. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From psy.uwa.oz.au!scott Thu Mar 5 20:05:38 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 20:05 PST Received: by wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA00544; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 12:04:38 +0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1992 12:04:38 +0800 From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Message-Id: <9203060404.AA00544@wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: WOOPS WOOPS: Gary Gieblers EDM software... >and it is not PD, ($28 US). Because of this we can't get the source code In the US it is $22 US, outside the US you pay $6 US postage = $28 US, that's what I paid here in Australia. My Mistake. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3574). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From uhura.cc.rochester.edu!swb1_ltd Thu Mar 5 21:48:44 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 21:48 PST Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA11541; Fri, 6 Mar 92 00:48:02 EST From: Steve Berkley Message-Id: <9203060548.AA11541@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: eps -> alchemy To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 0:48:01 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Here's what ya do- 1) When your EPS *and* mac are off, make sure you have a SCSI cable connected between the EPS and the mac. 2) Boot up both machines 3) Under the edit*system parameters, turn midi-controllers on, and midi sys-ex on. 4) Start up Alchemy. Define a new instrument - this is one of the selections from the menus at the top of the screen. 5) On the "define instrument" dialog window, you can choose the brand and model of your instrument- obviously, choose the Ensoniq EPS, set it up for SCSI ID 3. 6) If you are sending samples to the EPS, open up your soundfile in Alchemy, then make sure the instrument is set to "EPS", not Mac. Create a new, blank instrument on the EPS (command*instrument), then select "Send Sound" from Alchemy. After some (hopefully) whizzing and buzzing, you should get a nice little picture of a keyboard, where the darkest key is the reference note, and the area you highlight in light gray will be the range of that particular sample. If you are loading an additional sample onto the same instrument, you'll want to select "Assign new sample" at the bottom of the keyboard as well. When you are done, select OK, and that should do it. Within a few moments, you should have the sample in your EPS, and be able to play it. 7) If you are recieving samples from the eps to Alchemy, make sure you are on the right instrument in Alchemy, then select "Get Sound" After some midi talk, you'll get the same dialog described above, where you can select which instrument/sample you want. Just say OK when this is all satisfactory, and you should receive the sample within a few moments.... Its all pretty simple once you get all the connections made properly. If you are having problems, still, check the connections again, and make sure the "define instrument" (which may be altered with "edit instrument") is set up for the proper midi port and channel, at the right speed. This is usually the port your midi interface is connected to, channel 2, at 1MHZ. Hope thats helpful... -Steve Berkley From cs.mu.OZ.AU!richard Thu Mar 5 22:06:51 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 92 22:06 PST Received: from localhost by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50); id AA27237 Fri, 6 Mar 1992 16:06:35 +1000 (from richard@cs.mu.OZ.AU) Message-Id: <9203060606.27237@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: SCSI connection to Computer Date: Fri, 06 Mar 92 16:06:35 +1000 From: Richard Hagen This is probably a very stupid question - but here goes. Has anyone out there got an EPS[16+] talking to a computer via SCSI? I own an Amiga, but just wondered about computers in general... richard From NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL!bkirsch Fri Mar 6 05:59:24 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 05:59 PST Received: by NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (5.59/1.0 ) id AA04248; Fri, 6 Mar 92 08:57:07 EST Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 08:57:07 EST From: bkirsch@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (B. Kirsch) Message-Id: <9203061357.AA04248@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL> To: eps@reed.edu, scott%psy.uwa.OZ.AU@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Swapping Samples >Now the problem with this is that a) it's for PC's and thus all the Mac, >Unix Amiga, Atari etc users out there miss out. Well, since the newer Mac High Density disk drives can read MS-DOS disks (with the proper software), maybe software can be written to read EPS disks on the Macs with HD drives. Barry Kirsch From kong.gsfc.nasa.gov!arensb Fri Mar 6 06:28:05 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 06:27 PST Received: from kong.gsfc.nasa.gov by lego.gsfc.nasa.gov (5.61/1.35) id AA26567; Fri, 6 Mar 92 09:27:50 -0500 Received: by kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09477; Fri, 6 Mar 92 09:27:51 EST Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 09:27:51 EST From: arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Andrew Arensburger - RMS) Message-Id: <9203061427.AA09477@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Samples Has anyone else considered the idea of EPS shar files? By this I mean a type 0 (one track) MIDI file which, when sent to the EPS, will create an instrument. It should be feasible, although slow (because it goes over MIDI) and it would need to be compressed (because of the way EPSs send sample data). The reason I suggest this is that I know of no way to coax an EPS into dumping an entire instrument, not just the wavesamples. So the file would probably be just a series of SysEx commands along the lines of: 1) create new instrument (0) 2) create new layer (0) 3) create new layer (1) 4) create new wavesample (0/0/1) 5) create new wavesample (0/1/1) 6) wavesample dump (0/0/1) 7) wavesample dump (0/1/1) 8) set parameter 9) set parameter 10) set parameter 11) signature (short riff played on the newly-created instrument) Unfortunately, I don't have the Amiga #includes or libraries yet, or I would have written this myself. -- Andrew Arensburger | "Anyway, it never gets cold on Earth. Cold arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | enough to freeze water, yes, but not carbon ...!uunet!dftsrv!kong!arensb | dioxide." -- "Fallen Angels" From denial.reed.edu!niski Fri Mar 6 09:40:56 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 09:40 PST Received: by denial.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.11) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 09:40 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 09:40 PST From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.62) To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Samples i wrote: > > i'd be interested in setting up an ftp directory for > > samples designed by members of the list (if only we could > > do it for _instruments_ instead of mere > > _wavesamples_...). and Scott replied: > A while back I (a bit prematurely, following Ensoniqs > pattern :-) announced some PD software that will allow us > to put EPS disks in our computers and tun them into files > that are ftp/email-able, let me update you and give some > more info. > > BACKGROUND: What we would all like to do is send EPS > samples to each other and ftp them as well, right? Well to > do that we need some way of getting the samples out of the > EPS onto the network and from the net back to the EPS. There > are two basic approaches... > > 1. MIDI, > > if you have a wavesample editing program you can do MIDI > dumps of your wavesamples and then post these around the > net or put them on a ftp site. Then we have to do is have a > similar program to suck up the MIDI dump and then send this > to our EPS's. Fine, very nice. I suspect this is what Joe is > talking about? > > 2. Direct conversion, > > If you have a machine that has a 3.5" floppy drive capable > of reading 800K DS/DD disks then it is possible to write > some software that could read our EPS disks and save these > to a format compatable with our computer and then IF this > machine has network access we could send these "dump" > files around the network or ftp them. Well there is such > software avaliable for the PC's out there. as a Mac user (who doesn't have a DOS emulator, or want one), and in sympathy with users of other non-MS-DOS machines, i'd suggest that we start with AIFF files of wavesamples, so the greatest number of people can benefit from the limited resources on this machine (Scott's approach #1). Nevertheless, i'd be happy to also set up a directory for instrument files created with the MS-DOS software Scott mentioned (approach #2), if enough people request it (how many is 'enough'? i don't know. What percentage of our subscribers would use this? let me know). Finally, if anyone out there is really interested in developing a Macintosh-based Instrument librarian or EPS disk utility, contact me directly and i'll do what i can to help (i don't "do code", but would be more than happy to help with desgin, specification, testing, etc.). --- Joe Niski niski@reed.edu Computer User Services Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 503-777-7525 "The fewer the moving parts, the less there is to go wrong." - Godley Creme From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Fri Mar 6 10:26:38 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 10:26 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA00596; Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:26:15 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA07499; Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:27:43 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203061827.AA07499@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: Swapping Samples (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:27:42 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Forwarded message: > From niski@denial.reed.edu Fri Mar 6 11:50:11 1992 > Message-Id: > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 09:40 PST > From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) > To: eps@reed.edu > Subject: Re: Swapping Samples > > i wrote: stuff deleted > > > as a Mac user (who doesn't have a DOS emulator, or want one), and in > sympathy with users of other non-MS-DOS machines, i'd suggest that we > start with AIFF files of wavesamples, so the greatest number of > people can benefit from the limited resources on this machine > (Scott's approach #1). Nevertheless, i'd be happy to also set up a > directory for instrument files created with the MS-DOS software Scott > mentioned (approach #2), if enough people request it (how many is > 'enough'? i don't know. What percentage of our subscribers would > use this? let me know). > Yeah, what he said :) but then again .... What about these midi sample dump programs anyway? Wouldn't these be even 'more' common between ibm/mac-heads? I don't know since I haven't tried them with either the EPS or an Akai S950 which I also have. I've got a Midi sysex program or two - will these work? I've got a Mac and Alchemy - a program capable or reading in AIFF files, which could presumably be compressed with something like DiskDoubler or made into Stuffit Archives, and then BinHex encoded, and finally - ideally sent to an ftp-site that was willing to grow :) While midi sample dumps would be slower (than SCSI), I think that such things exist for both mac and ibm, no? What about compatibility with different samplers? Does midi sample dumping contain the machine sysex header that would make it impossible to be read by a Soundediting program on any machine (like alchemy or Sound Design for the Mac - or what's the one for the IBM - turtle silicon or something ?:) - Sand Blaster :) > Finally, if anyone out there is really interested in developing a > Macintosh-based Instrument librarian or EPS disk utility, contact me > directly and i'll do what i can to help (i don't "do code", but would > be more than happy to help with desgin, specification, testing, > etc.). > Why don't we survey the users of this list to see how many have computers connectable to samplers, unless what you mean is figuring out the disk format for the EPS and writing programs to format disks for the eps and transfer data, which is way over my head. If it's agreeing on off-the-shelf utitilities to share, then perhaps that's a more feasible goal, and my vote would be to explore the midi sample dump standard on different computers and samplers. I'd like to hear from all those that have used a midi sample dump program and on what machine, with what sampler (if not eps), and maybe a basic performance analysis - like 'terribly painful' to 'reasonably fast' to 'completely unreliable' - and maybe some prices if the stuff isn't PD or shareware. (Alchemy was pretty big $$ in it's hey-day). Can't speak for Big Blue (and clones) - Silicon Beach Combers or SandBlaster - hey there's something in common there :) Whew, I hope that makes up for my lurking for so long. From UALR.EDU!jabussey Fri Mar 6 10:58:07 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 10:57 PST Received: from spider.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 12:58 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 1935; Fri, 06 Mar 1992 12:57:10 EST Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1992 12:57:06 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: MS-DOS/MIDI and Swapping samples Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <009572D5.D55C8A60.1935@ualr.edu> From: IN%"aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu" 6-MAR-1992 12:49:12.87 To: eps@reed.edu CC: Subj: RE: Swapping Samples (fwd) Return-path: Return-path: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu Received: from reed.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 12:49 CDT Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 10:26 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA00596; Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:26:15 CST Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA07499; Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:27:43 CST Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:27:42 CDT From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Subject: RE: Swapping Samples (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <9203061827.AA07499@drum.ils.nwu.edu> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Forwarded message: > From niski@denial.reed.edu Fri Mar 6 11:50:11 1992 > Message-Id: > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 09:40 PST > From: niski@reed.edu (Joe Niski) > To: eps@reed.edu > Subject: Re: Swapping Samples > > i wrote: stuff deleted > > > as a Mac user (who doesn't have a DOS emulator, or want one), and in > sympathy with users of other non-MS-DOS machines, i'd suggest that we > start with AIFF files of wavesamples, so the greatest number of > people can benefit from the limited resources on this machine > (Scott's approach #1). Nevertheless, i'd be happy to also set up a > directory for instrument files created with the MS-DOS software Scott > mentioned (approach #2), if enough people request it (how many is > 'enough'? i don't know. What percentage of our subscribers would > use this? let me know). > Yeah, what he said :) but then again .... What about these midi sample dump programs anyway? Wouldn't these be even 'more' common between ibm/mac-heads? I don't know since I haven't tried them with either the EPS or an Akai S950 which I also have. I've got a Midi sysex program or two - will these work? I've got a Mac and Alchemy - a program capable or reading in AIFF files, which could presumably be compressed with something like DiskDoubler or made into Stuffit Archives, and then BinHex encoded, and finally - ideally sent to an ftp-site that was willing to grow :) While midi sample dumps would be slower (than SCSI), I think that such things exist for both mac and ibm, no? What about compatibility with different samplers? Does midi sample dumping contain the machine sysex header that would make it impossible to be read by a Soundediting program on any machine (like alchemy or Sound Design for the Mac - or what's the one for the IBM - turtle silicon or something ?:) - Sand Blaster :) > Finally, if anyone out there is really interested in developing a > Macintosh-based Instrument librarian or EPS disk utility, contact me > directly and i'll do what i can to help (i don't "do code", but would > be more than happy to help with desgin, specification, testing, > etc.). > Why don't we survey the users of this list to see how many have computers connectable to samplers, unless what you mean is figuring out the disk format for the EPS and writing programs to format disks for the eps and transfer data, which is way over my head. If it's agreeing on off-the-shelf utitilities to share, then perhaps that's a more feasible goal, and my vote would be to explore the midi sample dump standard on different computers and samplers. I'd like to hear from all those that have used a midi sample dump program and on what machine, with what sampler (if not eps), and maybe a basic performance analysis - like 'terribly painful' to 'reasonably fast' to 'completely unreliable' - and maybe some prices if the stuff isn't PD or shareware. (Alchemy was pretty big $$ in it's hey-day). Can't speak for Big Blue (and clones) - Silicon Beach Combers or SandBlaster - hey there's something in common there :) Whew, I hope that makes up for my lurking for so long. From UALR.EDU!jabussey Fri Mar 6 11:03:44 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 11:03 PST Received: from backup.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU with PMDF#10154; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 13:04 CDT Received: by ualr.edu (MX V3.0) id 1938; Fri, 06 Mar 1992 13:02:54 EST Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1992 13:02:48 EST From: Hard On The Beaver Subject: MS-DOS/MIDI and Swapping samples Sender: jabussey@UALR.EDU To: eps@reed.edu Message-id: <009572D6.A1A683A0.1938@ualr.edu> >Nevertheless, i'd be happy to also set up a > directory for instrument files created with the MS-DOS software Scott > mentioned (approach #2), if enough people request it (how many is > 'enough'? i don't know. What percentage of our subscribers would > use this? let me know). >Why don't we survey the users of this list to see how many have computers >connectable to samplers, unless what you mean is figuring out the disk >format for the EPS and writing programs to format disks for the eps and >transfer data, which is way over my head. I have neither a Computer (at home) or one connected to my sampler. I think that having a program that reads EPS disks and writes them to a computer format would be great. Its the best way to transfer full songs. Those of you who don't have access to a computer can bop on down to your local computer shop, do the conversion and pop it into the EPS! Thats is that, Jacque Andre' Bussey From techno.isc.rit.edu!ECLDCO Fri Mar 6 12:07:59 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:07 PST Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1992 15:09:24 -0500 (EST) From: ECLDCO@techno.isc.rit.edu (Eric Loyd - Data Center Operations, x7320) Message-Id: <920306150924.20200134@techno.isc.rit.edu> Subject: MS-DOS Users To: eps@reed.edu X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"eps@reed.edu" I am an MS-DOS user. I'd love to see a site that handles MS-DOS based programs, libraries, etc. But then...all you have to do is get the SYSEX information into a straight text file on some site somewhere, and download it to your personal computer (note that I didn't say "PC"). You can then use whatever it takes to get that information into your fave editor. If someone wants to go down to the hardware level and figure out EPS formats, let me know. I get paid to hack hardware. -Eric From kong.gsfc.nasa.gov!arensb Fri Mar 6 12:23:58 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:23 PST Received: from kong.gsfc.nasa.gov by lego.gsfc.nasa.gov (5.61/1.35) id AA27818; Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:23:39 -0500 Received: by kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22273; Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:23:39 EST Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:23:39 EST From: arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Andrew Arensburger - RMS) Message-Id: <9203062023.AA22273@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Samples (fwd) > From aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu Fri Mar 6 13:48:13 1992 > > From niski@denial.reed.edu Fri Mar 6 11:50:11 1992 > > as a Mac user (who doesn't have a DOS emulator, or want one), and in > > sympathy with users of other non-MS-DOS machines, i'd suggest that we > > start with AIFF files of wavesamples, so the greatest number of > > people can benefit from the limited resources on this machine This sounds like a reasonable approach. I, for one, would rather not get locked into any particular machine's disk format. I can imagine two good approaches: 1) take an EPS disk and convert it into a disk image file. The file can then be converted back into an EPS disk (this approach is similar to the Amiga 'DiskMasher' utility and a similar Mac utility. As a matter of fact, 'dms' and/or the Mac thing might work for EPS disks). 2) download an EPS instrument via MIDI or SCSI to a file in some known format, and provide a utility for uploading such a file to an EPS. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think there's a 'SysEx dump' command for the EPS. Bummer. > I've got a Mac and Alchemy - a program capable or reading in AIFF files, > which could presumably be compressed with something like DiskDoubler or > made into Stuffit Archives, and then BinHex encoded, and finally - ideally > sent to an ftp-site that was willing to grow :) AAAIIIIEEEE!! Not Stuffit/BinHex! Methinks compress is readable by a much larger number of people than StuffIt, and BinHexing/uuencoding is unnecessary for an ftp site. If you want to set up a mailing list, however, Craig Latta, the NetJam moderator, has a bunch of scripts to handle this: if you send a NetJam submission in Macintosh format (BinHexed StuffIt file), his scripts will decode and uncompress the file, then use either tar/compress/uuencode, StuffIt/BinHex or zoo/uuencode before mailing the file to the other mailing list members, depending on whether they want to receive Unix, Mac or Amiga format files. > What about compatibility with different samplers? Good point. I would like to be able to separate the wavesample information of an instrument from the system-dependent stuff. > Why don't we survey the users of this list to see how many have computers > connectable to samplers, Not yet, but soon. > If it's agreeing on off-the-shelf utitilities to share, then perhaps > that's a more feasible goal, and my vote would be to explore the midi > sample dump standard on different computers and samplers. Does anyone have a copy of the MIDI spec that describes sample format for MIDI files? > I'd like to hear from all those that have used a midi sample dump program > and on what machine, with what sampler (if not eps), and maybe a basic > performance analysis - like 'terribly painful' to 'reasonably fast' to > 'completely unreliable' - and maybe some prices if the stuff isn't PD > or shareware. I've done something similar with my homegrown EPS routines. It works reliably if you follow the rules (don't push any buttons while the 'MIDI' indicator is blinking). Speed, however, is a problem: if I remember correctly, it took me 5 minutes to download a 900-block grand piano, and upload it back again. Sorry if any of this is incoherent, but it's Friday, and I've just gotten back from a heavy lunch. Feel free to demand clarification at gunpoint. Andrew Arensburger, lurker no more. -- arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov Andrew Arensburger From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Fri Mar 6 13:22:15 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 13:22 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA25393; Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:22:03 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA07612; Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:23:32 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203062123.AA07612@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: MS-DOS Users (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:23:31 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] > > I am an MS-DOS user. I'd love to see a site that handles > MS-DOS based programs, libraries, etc. But then...all you have to > do is get the SYSEX information into a straight text file on > some site somewhere, and download it to your personal computer (note > that I didn't say "PC"). You can then use whatever it takes to get > that information into your fave editor. OK, so that's one MSDOS user who has a sysex midi dumper. Any body else? From drum.ils.nwu.edu!aieta Fri Mar 6 13:26:16 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 13:26 PST Received: from drum.ils.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-ACNS-1.03) id AA25894; Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:25:56 CST Return-Path: Received: by drum.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA07621; Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:27:24 CST From: aieta@drum.ils.nwu.edu (Michael Aieta) Message-Id: <9203062127.AA07621@drum.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: Swapping Samples (fwd) To: eps@reed.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 15:27:24 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Forwarded message: > From arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov Fri Mar 6 14:32:24 1992 > I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think there's a 'SysEx dump' command for the > EPS. Bummer. > Well this is definitely a sticking point for my sysex dump suggestion, confirmations anyone (I don't have access to an EPS on a regular basis) > AAAIIIIEEEE!! Not Stuffit/BinHex! Methinks compress is readable by > a much larger number of people than StuffIt, and BinHexing/uuencoding is > unnecessary for an ftp site. Sorry, just a suggestion, what do I know? From ecn.purdue.edu!del Sat Mar 7 12:07:04 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sat, 7 Mar 92 12:06 PST Received: by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.30jrs) id AA25293; Sat, 7 Mar 92 15:06:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 92 15:06:09 -0500 From: del@ecn.purdue.edu (de l`abattoir) Message-Id: <9203072006.AA25293@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: WaveBoy parallel effects disk two words: timedicer, wow. i got my copy of the effects this morning and had a little while to mess around with them. 15 of the 16 effects included on this disk are mostly permutations of what comes with the stock EPS 16+: combinations of reverb/chorus/distortion. using these, it is pretty easy to generate convincing geetar feedbacks and wahs and stuff. some of the effects include resonant filters as well. the time-dicer, however, really is interesting. "it is a pitch-shifter and a reverb... it is unusual in that it can track the keyboard and can use the audio INPUT to the EPS as a live input to the effect". with the time-dicer, you can harmonise (with delay/feedback) either an instrument or line/mic in. the pitch can shift +- 3 octaves. at +36, you can really make some metallic-sounding voices. at negative shifts, the sound is much smoother than, say, simply playing an instrument an octave down. with keyboard tracking on, you can sing into the mic and change the pitch from the keyboard. lots o fun. one problem with the dicer i found (i may not have fiddled with it enough, though).. with the sequence running and the dicer set for "totally mangled" and input coming from line or mic, i would hear very loud clicks/distortion even with the mic switched *off*. all sequenced instruments were bypassing the dicer effect, so they werent triggering it. i will have to play with it more. overall, a great job. it would be *really* nice if more/all effects could accept external inputs. then i could ditch those dirty external effects boxes. they be: waveboy industries po box 233 paoli, pa 19302 215 251 9562 i have no connection with em, other than they took my money, etc, blahblah -david From ads.com!pdel Sat Mar 7 23:55:47 1992 Return-Path: Received: by reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.10) id ; Sat, 7 Mar 92 23:55 PST Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA20452; Sat, 7 Mar 92 23:53:24 -0800 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA22386; Sat, 7 Mar 92 23:54:37 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 92 23:54:37 -0800 Message-Id: <9203080754.AA22386@bert.ads.com> To: eps@reed.edu Subject: Questions about EPS drum maps Is there any standard drum/percussion map available for EPS's? They seem to follow some standard, but is there anything comparable to the roland one, which also includes percussion? That would save me some aggravation in trying to invent my own only to find out one exists Peter D.